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Reconsidering Bush v. Gore
OpinionJournal ^ | Wednesday, November 7, 2001 | GARY ROSEN

Posted on 11/07/2001 9:00:15 AM PST by kenade

Edited on 04/23/2004 12:03:53 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

The Florida Supreme Court was wrong, but so was the U.S. Supreme Court.

Indignation toward the Supreme Court has been a defining feature of American conservatism since at least the early 1960s, when Chief Justice Earl Warren and his like-minded brethren launched the judicial "rights revolution" that has continued, more or less unabated, up to our own day. With each expansive new ruling over the years--on obscenity, school prayer, the death penalty, busing, abortion and a host of equally inflammatory issues--conservatives have found fresh evidence of the justices' disdain not only for the limits of their own office but, more gallingly, for the views of the American people and their elected representatives. In a controversial 1996 symposium, the religious journal First Things went so far as to wonder whether this "judicial usurpation of politics" should be seen as the "end" of American democracy.


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1 posted on 11/07/2001 9:00:15 AM PST by kenade
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To: kenade
Could have saved a lot of space here: WAH!!
2 posted on 11/07/2001 9:05:10 AM PST by Warren
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To: kenade
There is an awful lot of legal jargon and rhetoric in the article. Somewhere in all this is the blaring fact that the Florida Supreme Court ignored, ignored Florida constitutional law and the United States Constitution as well as those laws. The United States Supreme Court had no choice but to rule as they did. America and American legal pundits have and had forgotten The Rule of Law. It prevails, at last!
3 posted on 11/07/2001 9:13:55 AM PST by yoe
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To: Warren
Thanks for your synopsis. I'm glad I didn't miss anything by skipping everything beyond the first paragraph.
4 posted on 11/07/2001 9:18:18 AM PST by Samwise
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To: Warren
Could have saved a lot of space here: WAH!!

Exactly!! Build a bridge and get over it already!!

5 posted on 11/07/2001 9:25:17 AM PST by KansasConservative
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To: yoe
In short order, the five-justice conservative majority of the U.S. Supreme Court--William Rehnquist, Anthony Kennedy, Sandra Day O'Connor, Antonin Scalia, and Clarence Thomas--

I only count four conservatives here. Rehnquist, Scalia and Thomas - okay. Kennedy - I guess. But O'Connor? Please.

6 posted on 11/07/2001 9:27:37 AM PST by Coop
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To: kenade
By the way, Mr. Rosen, the Supreme Court's vote was 7-2.
7 posted on 11/07/2001 9:30:41 AM PST by Coop
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To: Samwise
I'm glad I didn't miss anything by skipping everything beyond the first paragraph.

I made it through the title. Did I miss anything? (I didn't think so)

8 posted on 11/07/2001 9:31:12 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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To: kenade
This is priceless:

More fundamentally, there is the question of whether the Supreme Court should have taken any action at all in the Florida dispute. Even the better argument made by the conservative justices, based on Article II, was, for all its force, without precedent.

Oh, Lord. Equal Protection, guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution is blatantly VIOLATED if votes are "counted" under different standards? It was a CLEAR equal protection question.

There can be no doubt that the intentions of the Florida legislature had been perverted, but this alone did not compel the court to take the case or to find an infraction of the Constitution

Again, different counties were "re-counting" using different standards, meaning what was considered a "vote" in Dade county was thrown out in other counties. Thats basically the definition of "violation of equal protection".

and concerns about federalism might well have counseled restraint.

Oh, please. So the author is saying that its ok for a State Court to violate the U.S. Constitution by allowing for clear violations of equal protection, and SCOTUS should excercise "restraint"? I got two words for the author, and the first one starts with an "F".

Moreover, in light of the potential conflicts of interest involved--with candidate Bush having repeatedly declared his admiration for Justices Scalia and Thomas and the justices themselves having an obvious stake in who might be appointed to join them in the future--

Oh, yes. Conservatives always have "conflict of interests", but no liberal court justice could ever have such conflict of interests.

the court would perhaps have been well advised, in effect, to recuse itself.

To recuse "itself"??? What the heck? The SCOTUS is supposed to not accept one of the most improtant cases in the history of the country because the justices are human and have political persuasions?? Let me repeat those two words I spoke of earlier.

9 posted on 11/07/2001 9:32:15 AM PST by FreeTally
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To: Warren
Logorrhea!
10 posted on 11/07/2001 9:42:28 AM PST by Carolina
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To: Samwise
You are a quick study.
11 posted on 11/07/2001 9:42:32 AM PST by Warren
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To: KansasConservative
BUT, they won't ever get over it, providing us conservatives with countless hours of pleasure watching them bitch.
12 posted on 11/07/2001 9:43:26 AM PST by Warren
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To: FreeTally
the court would perhaps have been well advised, in effect, to recuse itself.

Actually, I like this idea!. The Supreme Court recuses itself after the fact. Then the Florida Kangaroo, err, "Supreme" Court, since it consists of seven Democrats, also recuses itself to avoid any appearance of impropriety. Since both of Al Gore's Hail Mary passes now no longer exist, Bush wins. And the Supreme Court is a proud, honored institution once again. Hallelujah!

13 posted on 11/07/2001 9:44:08 AM PST by Coop
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To: Carolina
Hmmm, new word for me.
14 posted on 11/07/2001 9:44:12 AM PST by Warren
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To: kenade
TO ALL DEMOCRATS: Here's a quarter, call someone who cares!
15 posted on 11/07/2001 9:52:05 AM PST by notbuyingit
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To: kenade
Great post. This is the best summary I've seen yet on the Bush v. Gore case.

I read this article as a vindication of the Supreme Court and the election result. The author would have prefered that the Court had let Congress decide the presidency, but he also explains the Court's view that there was a need to prevent what would be a chaotic situation.

The author presents both sides of the story. He explains Dershowicz's view that the conservative justices acted like liberals in both a judicial-activism and equal-protection sense. Dersh is right, they did. However, the author (and I) don't accept that this apparent role-reversal was done for partisan reasons.

I wonder why so many other posters on this thread have find so much they don't like. The author, in my view, gives his opinion that Bush wins no matter what, and that he would have prefered that the U.S. Supreme Court had stayed out of it. Although the election going to Congress could be a real mess, there are provisions in our laws for it, and the Court *could* have let it happen.

16 posted on 11/07/2001 11:27:20 AM PST by Flashlight
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To: notbuyingit
TO ALL DEMOCRATS: Here's a quarter, call someone who cares!

Nah, BellSouth just announced that pay phones here in Alabama are going up to $.50.
(I guess they'll have to make a half-a$$ call now.)

Barn Owl

17 posted on 11/07/2001 11:38:10 AM PST by Barn Owl
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To: FreeTally
So the author is saying that its ok for a State Court to violate the U.S. Constitution by allowing for clear violations of equal protection, and SCOTUS should excercise "restraint"? ...

I read this differently. I think the author was refering here, not to the equal-protection argument, but the "perversions of the state legislature's intent." I'm not sure that the remedy for a State Supreme Court overriding its state legislature is necessarily best found in the U.S. Court.

18 posted on 11/07/2001 11:40:50 AM PST by Flashlight
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To: mike2right; Samwise
I suggest that you read the article for yourselves. I found it to be a very well-written summary of both sides' arguments, and worth reading.
19 posted on 11/07/2001 11:45:16 AM PST by Flashlight
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To: Flashlight
I suggest that you read the article for yourselves.

No thanks. I'll pass. I lived through it.

20 posted on 11/07/2001 11:50:59 AM PST by Ward Smythe
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