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U.S. to Slow Granting of Visas to Young Men From Arab and Muslim Nations
New York Times ^ | Saturday, November 10, 2001 | NEIL A. LEWIS and CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS

Posted on 11/09/2001 7:21:27 PM PST by JohnHuang2

November 10, 2001

U.S. to Slow Granting of Visas to Young Men From Arab and Muslim Nations

By NEIL A. LEWIS and CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS

WASHINGTON, Nov. 9 — The State Department said today that it would slow the process for granting visas to young men from Arab and Muslim nations in an effort to prevent future terrorist attacks.

The move came as the administration was engulfed in complaints about a separate new antiterror policy by the Justice Department, whose move to let authorities monitor all communications between some people in federal custody and their lawyers provoked an outcry from the legal profession, civil liberties groups and Senator Patrick J. Leahy, the Vermont Democrat who is chairman of the Judiciary Committee.

The changes in visa procedures and the authorized eavesdropping on some prisoners represented what government officials said was a fundamental shift in antiterror policy to emphasizing prevention.

The government is considering more changes and is enacting others, some of which stem from new antiterrorism legislation. These measures include the following:

¶The use of wiretaps secretly authorized by a special federal court to prosecute people suspected of involvement in terrorism on charges unrelated to terrorism. The wiretaps are supposed to be primarily for intelligence gathering and are more easily obtainable than wiretaps sought for criminal investigations.

¶The revision of guidelines prosecutors use to determine when to oppose bail for people charged with relatively minor crimes. Federal prosecutors have in many cases urged judges not to release people suspected of involvement in terrorist activities even if they are charged with minor and unrelated crimes.

¶The holding in New York of at least 10 people as material witnesses with their arrest records sealed by court order.

The new State and Justice policies on visas and the monitoring of communications between suspected terrorists and their lawyers highlighted the problem of trying to reconcile growing national security concerns with traditional civil liberties issues.

State Department officials said that starting next week, visa applications from more than two dozen nations from any men 16 to 45 years old would be checked against databases maintained by the F.B.I.

The security procedure will take up to 20 days, officials said. The applicants will also be required to complete a detailed questionnaire on their backgrounds, including questions about any military service or weapons training, previous travel, and whether they had ever lost a passport.

Secretary of State Colin L. Powell today portrayed the new rules as temporary.

"Those who come to the United States, we're going to check on to make sure that we are safe," Mr. Powell said. "We want people to come to our shores but at the same time, we have to protect ourselves. This will be a temporary measure for a number of countries."

Mr. Powell acknowledged that the change could antagonize some Muslim nations whose support the United States seeks in its war against the Taliban and the al-Qaeda organization in Afghanistan.

"We are sensitive to how it will affect our friends," Mr. Powell told Fox News.

Countries affected by the new visa restriction are Afghanistan, Algeria, Bahrain, Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia, Morocco, Oman, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.

The move on visas drew immediate criticism at home, where pro- immigration groups and organizations representing American Muslims said that the new requirements amounted to profiling by religion or nationality, which they called antithetical to American values.

"This policy to me is very gray," said Angela M. Kelley, the deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, a pro-immigrant policy group. "It will catch up in its net people who mean us no harm. It sends the wrong message for a nation of immigrants."

In defending the regulations about eavesdropping on people in federal custody that were instituted with little public notice on Oct. 30, senior government officials said it would help impede future terrorist activities. The regulation covers not only people in federal prison but also those in the custody of federal marshals and the immigration service. By monitoring all conversations between lawyers and a small group of people in federal custody, officials said they would be able to prevent future terrorist acts even if the information could not be used to prosecute anyone. That is a departure from the traditional approach of officials trying to compile evidence to be used in a courtroom.

"The priority now is stopping terrorist activity, saving American lives and not on getting evidence that's admissible in court," said a senior government official.

Under the regulations, the lawyers and their clients would be informed that their personal telephone conversations and mail would be monitored.

Mindy Tucker, the Justice Department spokeswoman, said that the new regulations would affect only a small group of people, those who had been designated as requiring special treatment. She said that, so far, only 13 people in federal custody had been affected and none of them had been arrested since Sept. 11.

In an interview tonight with Larry King on CNN, Attorney General John Ashcroft said that the new guidelines had been misinterpreted by critics.

"Just imagine this: You have a terrorist who has — as a matter of fact, of the 13, some are terrorists — that has an incompleted task and is waiting to signal those colleagues of his on the outside of a time to complete the task, to finish what the terrorists endeavor. We think we ought to be able to try and detect that and prevent that ongoing terrorism," Mr. Ashcroft said.

He said that the regulations provide that the officials listening in on communications would not be able to pass any information to prosecutors and none of the information could be used in court without permission of a judge.

Government officials said that among those whose communications with lawyers have been monitored is Omar Abdul Rahman, the blind sheik convicted in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

Senator Leahy said he was "deeply troubled by what appears to be an executive effort to exercise new powers without judicial scrutiny or statutory authorization."

Mr. Leahy said that, "These are difficult times. Trial by fire can refine us but it can also coarsen us." The administration should devise ways to counter terrorists, he said, without losing "the freedoms that we are fighting to protect."

Robert E. Hirshon, the president of the American Bar Association, said that the new eavesdropping regulations clearly violated the Constitution's guarantees of the right to counsel and to be free of unreasonable searches.

The attorney-client privilege dates to the reign of Elizabeth I in Britain and, Mr. Hirshon said, "no privilege is more `indelibly ensconced' in the American legal system than this privilege."

Traditionally, prosecutors may ask judges to wiretap lawyer-client conversations if they can demonstrate probable cause that the lawyer is being used to carry out a criminal enterprise.

The rule about attorney-client conversations was published Oct. 31 in the Federal Register and says that the monitoring can take place when the attorney general concludes there is "reasonable suspicion" that the communications are intended to further terrorist acts. The rule went into effect the day before it became public.

Concerning the State Department's new visa policy, even advocates of tighter controls on immigration expressed discomfort with the approach.

Steven Camarota, the research director of the Center for Immigration Reform in Washington, said the United States should scrutinize all visa applicants equally and not just focus on Muslim men. Technological advances should allow for all visa applicants to be finger-printed and checked by the F.B.I., he said.

"There should be a consensus in the United States that we don't want an ethnic- or religious-based immigration system," Mr. Camarota said.

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1 posted on 11/09/2001 7:21:27 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Very good decision......we need to do this to protect ourselves from more potential terrorists!
2 posted on 11/09/2001 7:24:41 PM PST by JulieRNR21
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To: JohnHuang2
I'd go a bit further and put a moratorium on all visas to all people from all muslim countries for at least one year. The only exceptions would be those who have converted to another faith (such as Christianity) and can prove persecution or death potential - such as the test used in asylum.
3 posted on 11/09/2001 7:28:42 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: anniegetyourgun
Ones hopes this means a de facto moratorium until such time as the muslim world becomes civilized.
4 posted on 11/09/2001 7:30:12 PM PST by Clinton's a rapist
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To: JohnHuang2
"U.S. to Slow Granting of Visas to Young Men From Arab and Muslim Nations"

Why grant them at all?

5 posted on 11/09/2001 7:30:33 PM PST by StormEye
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To: JohnHuang2
It's about time... the savage murderers in the 911 attacks fit this profile. The overwhelming number of people we are seeing within the Middle East protesting America, and Israel in the streets in support of Bin Ladin fit this profile.

We are involved in a war we did not start but one which we will finish. Due to the circumstances thrust upon us, I and most Americans have absolutly no problem with racial profiling young Arab men from Muslim nations becuse the overwhelming evidence is these are the very people who want to kill us. We don't want them here andif they are here illegally, then kick them out of the country.

6 posted on 11/09/2001 7:34:26 PM PST by Jmouse007
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To: JohnHuang2
It's about damn time!!
7 posted on 11/09/2001 7:39:42 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: JohnHuang2
This should not have been too difficult to figure out. I posted the same idea here on September 12, the day after the attack:

There is growing evidence that confirms what we already suspected: The hijackers were groups of Arab male non-citizens. I am in favor of ethnic/national profiling at our airports. If the passenger is:
1) Arab
2) Male (esp. in the 20-50 age range)
3) Non-U.S. citizen (esp. from the Middle East)

From: In favor of ethnic/national profiling (Arab male non-citizens)

8 posted on 11/09/2001 7:42:45 PM PST by Charles Henrickson
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To: JohnHuang2
A.F.T.
9 posted on 11/09/2001 7:45:06 PM PST by financeprof
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To: JohnHuang2
This is a good start JH2, how about more....
10 posted on 11/09/2001 7:45:28 PM PST by NeoCaveman
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To: JohnHuang2
Very dumb idea. Why do they need to be in this country period. I thought everything they needed to learn was already in Quran so why are they coming here?
11 posted on 11/09/2001 7:46:40 PM PST by MaxwellWolf
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To: JohnHuang2
Oh no...won't this just make them mad and make more Osamas?
12 posted on 11/09/2001 7:49:26 PM PST by Jorge
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To: anniegetyourgun
I'd go a bit further and put a moratorium on all visas to all people from all muslim countries for at least one year.

I'd freeze all immigration and stop granting visas for a period of one year. I'd also start serious investigations into those individuals whose visas have run out and are living in the US illegally. In other words, locate and deport all illegal aliens and illegal visitors on American soil. If the federal gov't is to take such actions they should go all the way. No exceptions. This is no time for half measures.

13 posted on 11/09/2001 7:55:22 PM PST by Reagan Man
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To: StormEye
Why grant them at all?

You just hit the nail on the head my friend!

14 posted on 11/09/2001 7:59:34 PM PST by TerryInRiverside
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To: TerryInRiverside
All I can say is:

DUH!!!!!

15 posted on 11/09/2001 8:02:24 PM PST by TaZ
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To: TerryInRiverside
"Why grant them at all?

You just hit the nail on the head my friend!

DITTO!

16 posted on 11/09/2001 8:04:59 PM PST by blam
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To: JohnHuang2
Common boys, all you gotta do is just put your foot on that brake pedal and the muslim visa gravy train will come to a complete STOP!
17 posted on 11/09/2001 8:08:03 PM PST by Florida native
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To: JulieRNR21
Very good decision......we need to do this to protect ourselves from more potential terrorists!

That's the bottom line, my friend.

18 posted on 11/09/2001 8:14:11 PM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
Well, gee...everything I wanted to say has been said. I agree wholeheartedly with all of the above. Good Posts
19 posted on 11/09/2001 8:50:28 PM PST by bjcintennessee
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