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Look for the Left to fight the military tribunal idea
Nealz Nuze ^
| 11/15/01
| Neal Boortz
Posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:09 PM PST by Croooow
The idea of trying terrorists, including Osama Bin Laden, before a military tribunal is not setting well with the left … and there’s a reason for that.
First --- don’t believe all of this nonsense about civil liberties. The left is never worried about civil liberties when those liberties get in the way of their plans and goals. How about the basic civil freedom to take the money that we earn and to invest that money in an investment vehicle of our choice for our own retirement? No way… can’t do it. We just can’t let basic property rights get in the way of income redistribution.
There is little question that the military tribunals are legal. During World War II we had seven German commandos come ashore in New Jersey. They were dropped off by a German sub. They were discovered and arrested … right here on American soil. One of the commandos testified against the others. He was held and then let go at the end of the war. The other six? They were tried before a military tribunal and executed. The Supreme Court had no problems with that.
Now – why does the left want to see Bin Laden tried in a civil court? Because they want to see that trial used to highlight what they see as the travesties of American foreign policy over the years. They feel that such a trial could well serve to embarrass the United State and reduce its influence in foreign affairs. It would also expose much of the secrets and methods of our intelligence services – elements of the federal government the left is not particularly fond of.
Bluntly put … these people hate what America is, and anything that can force a change to the leftist, anti-individualistic paradise they seek is just fine with them.
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Bravo to Neal Boortz, a real libertarian for taking on the "civil liberties" crowd.
"Liberty is indivisible." - Ben Franklin
Anyone who talks about "liberties" doesn't understand liberty.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:17:09 PM PST
by
Croooow
To: Croooow
During World War II we had seven German commandos come ashore in New Jersey. They were dropped off by a German sub. They were discovered and arrested … right here on American soil. One of the commandos testified against the others. He was held and then let go at the end of the war. The other six? They were tried before a military tribunal and executed. A number of factual inaccuracies here. There were a total of eight commandos. Four landed in NJ and four in FL.
They were not "arrested," which implies they were caught by American vigilance. One of them chickened out and/or had second thoughts and turned himself and the others in.
Six were indeed executed. Two others were eventually deported back to Germany, after the end of the war.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:17:17 PM PST
by
Restorer
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To: Croooow
To Croooow,This smells like bad news for Johnny Cochrane and "The Dream Team",not to mention Mr Dershowitz and his ilk!I guess that also means that the US taxpayers won't be billed for their outrageous fees!!!!!
To: Timothy N Riordan
The military tribunals are for non-citizens only and many of them probably won't even take place on American soil.
To: Restorer
The 4 landed in Amagansett, Long Island, NY from a submarine, I did a google search "submarine, Long Island"
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:17:19 PM PST
by
diefree
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To: Croooow
The libs noise has already begun. Faced with precedent, where military tribunals have been ruled constitutional, they stand ready with, "but that was with a declared war." Bunch of clowns -- what do they care about disclosing our country's means and methods. Nada.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:17:20 PM PST
by
Catie
To: Timothy N Riordan
The President's order does exclude U.S. citizens.
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:17:20 PM PST
by
Catie
To: Croooow
I read on a thread somewhere here last night that Conyers?, from Michigan, is already getting ready to set up a Senate committee to review the President's ideas on tribunals, or something to that effect.....
To: Croooow
I guess these people want our civil justice system to resemble that of Colombia. Where judges, juries and lawyers all fear for their lives because of the immense reach, money and power of the drug lords. Just think of the intimidation potential here. Why did it take them 3 tries to get John Gotti? Would you testify or adjudicate against these people knowing that if you did your presumably secret identity would probably be sold for the highest dollar? Just think of the 'safety' of our wonderful witness protection program! The mob never had access to the $$$'s that these terror lords do...
To: Timothy N Riordan
The "rights" secured by the Constitution belong to American citizens as, well, as a matter of right. Those same "rights" are afforded aliens as a matter of grace. The theory is that permitting aliens in the US to participate in civil society increases the liberty of our nation as a whole. An alien acting as an enemy of this country bestows no benefit whatever on the remainder of our society and extending the same rights to him as would be afforded an American citizen, as a matter of right, would threaten the remainder of society (as, for instance, by revealing the identity of operatives, allocation of military resources, and the like).
The moral of the story? That ain't no rag, that's our flag; so don't f*ck with us.
To: Black Agnes
I guess these people want our civil justice system to resemble that of Colombia.See post #9.
To: Croooow
Gosh. A thousand images flash across my mind for a civil trial of bin Laden.....more terrorism on our homeland, more aircraft highjacked and used to bring down national and historic landmarks, more disease by mail, bridges and tunnels destroyed, poisoned water supplies, broken dams....these things all in the name of liberal social justice. I wonder if bin Laden's lawyer would play the race card at the end of the trial. I wonder if Islamic insanity would be a defense. I wonder whether bin Laden would promise to spend his life searching for the "real terrorist" as he walks free from the courthouse.
Thank God! It was all only a bad dream......
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posted on
11/16/2001 1:17:36 PM PST
by
NetValue
To: Steve0113
You failed to read the rest of my post. I happen to agree with the idea. The alternative is what they have in Colombia where there IS no justice because everyone is too afraid of the criminal perpetrators!
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To: Timothy N Riordan
First of all, military tribunals in this country date back to General George Washington, so if there's a precedent to be set- it's already been set.
Second of all, Ashcroft had it right when he said that these terrorist do not deserve the protections afforded by our Constitution.
To: Black Agnes
You failed to read the rest of my post.I did read it. I merely misunderstood it the first three times I read it. It wasn't at all clear whom you were referring to as "these people".
To: Steve0113
Oop, sorry. Didn't mean to be obscure. I have read a lot about Colombia and the complete wreck its criminal justice system is in due to the absolute fear of the populace w. regard to the drug lords. Criminal/civil trials for these terrorists here would be no different. Judges car bombed, jurors 'eliminated', their families threatened...not to mention the trial itself become OJ like in magnitude.
I don't LIKE this act, let me be clear about that. I question any extension of govt power. But, as long as it isn't applied to citizens I'll be quiet about it.
To: Catie
>>The President's order does exclude U.S. citizens<<
I trust you mean, "The President has no power, nor does the Congress, to mandate trial of American citizens by military tribunal"
Right?
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