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Homosexual Family Values?
Indianapolis Star ^ | Gregory Koukl

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:19 PM PST by Khepera

Are "family values" a label or a concept?

Some pieces in the Letters to the Editor section of the paper make fair, clear-headed, balanced, reasonable observations about things. Here's one that is very confused. It is entitled "Gay Republicans" and it's from Brad Jacobsen of San Diego. He objects that he and his homosexual companion can't be married and receive a stamp of approval from society and all the other benefits that go with being married. Here's what he writes:

"You can't enjoy a 15 percent tax cut if you've been fired from your job simply because you're gay. School vouchers or tuition credits mean nothing if you have been denied custody of your child because you're a lesbian. 'Family values' remains an empty phrase if you are legally prohibited from forming a family or even visiting your dying loved one in the hospital."

Much could be said about his comments, but I'll limit myself to two quick thoughts. First, as far as I understand, there is no legal prohibition (as Jacobsen claims here) against visiting a sick friend in the hospital. There are hospital policies that restrict visitors in certain circumstances, but no laws. Sometimes illness is so severe only an inside circle of friends--including family members, but not always limited to them--has access to the patient. Medical information is not released because of privacy issues unless you're in that inner circle. But this is a private hospital policy, not a public law.

Is it necessary to change an entire cultural institution--the family--just to get access to a sick friend? Hospitals can be approached to change their policies, especially when the patient himself requests a certain visitor. They can unilaterally acknowledge domestic partnerships--whether heterosexual or homosexual--without need for a new law. Or if the family of the one injured or sick acknowledges the relationship, they can give approval. I've done hospital visitations in extreme situations and I wasn't a family member. The family gave approval and I was in.

I'm not for just any group of beliefs that carries the label "family values." Family values is a specific thing. It means something particular.

This hospital visitation business is small hurdle to get over. That's not the real issue. Rather, this is an attempt to change a long-standing institution for the purpose of getting public acceptance of a lifestyle that most people think is undesirable and immoral.

This is where the question of family values comes in. This phrase has been tossed around a lot and I'm bothered by the way it's used--or I should say "abused." I am not for "family values." What I mean is, I'm not for just any group of beliefs that carries the label "family values." Family values is a specific thing. It means something particular.

It's like the phrase "traditional values." Traditional values are not new things; they are old things, by definition. That's why we call them traditional. A while back I saw this phrase on a billboard: "the new traditional values." Something is amiss here. Traditional values aren't new, and if they are new, they're not traditional. That's because the word "traditional" means something in particular. It refers to something that has a longstanding history of being accepted by the mainstream of society.

Now, if you want to change the traditional values to a new set of values, well, you're certainly free to make that attempt. The problem comes when you want to change family values, which have traditionally meant one particular thing, into something so different from traditional family values that it ought to have a new name, and yet you want to continue hanging the old name on it. That's simply confusing.

So this gentleman, Brad Jacobsen in San Diego, says, Gee, you're really for family values, right? Well, if you are, then why won't you let me form a family with my homosexual lover? And my response is that "family values" is a phrase that has particular content. It means a particular thing, which excludes homosexual marriage.

And when I say I'm for family values, what I mean is that I'm for a particular kind of value we've had for a long, long time and called "the family." I'm not committed to the label ; I'm committed to the concept such that if you take the concept and put all new content in it and hang the label "family values" on it, I can't be faulted for rejecting it as if I were rejecting real family values.

I could come to you and say, "I've got three men in a tub and a couple of cocker spaniels. That's my family. I've got a butcher, a baker, a candlestick maker. That's a family. I've got me and my palmetto and my fern plant. That's a family." And you say, "Don't be ridiculous." And I say, "How dare you be against family values!" You're going to say, "That's not a family, you and a couple of potted plants!" And I'm going to say, "It is to me. Who are you to say?"

You see how ludicrous this gets, ladies and gentlemen? This treats language like silly putty. It treats words as if they're elastic things that you can stretch out of recognition and still think you have communication. That's what Brad Jacobsen and many others have done on this issue of family values. They want to gut the term "family values" of its traditional meaning, put all new concepts into it, keep the same word and then fault you for not accepting it as if you are somehow now not truly in favor of family values.

That's just verbal sleight-of-hand, ladies and gentlemen. That's all it is.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: christianlist; homosexualagenda
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1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:19 PM PST by Khepera
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2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:19 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Khepera
Homosexual family values? Talk about the mother of all oxymorans.
3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:20 PM PST by AlaskaErik
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To: Khepera
Amazing to see toilet training coming to the political foreplay. I thought "I have a dream" was meant to protect people from the havocs of racial and sex preferences. It seems like America has been going down hill with that respect ever since the success of the civil rights struggle, with gays claiming potemkin victimhood they never experienced like the black people did.
4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:26 PM PST by lavaroise
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To: Khepera
What are "family values"? It's always struck me as a vague term used by politicians without any constant definition ever applied, though my views are likely a result of being jaded and cynical.
5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:32 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
And who's to say what "love" is. I can call my dog "love" but is he really love? When people say "I love you", do they really mean "I Hank's dog you"? What is that supposed to mean? This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife.
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:33 PM PST by AppyPappy
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To: Khepera
Very good.

Reason I'm Not On The Barbara Bush Fan Club List #47: in her speech in '92, she helped give the election to Clinton (as if her husband wasn't already doing a splendid enough job of it) by saying something squishy and amorphous like, "Family values are whatever your family values."

Thanks, Silver Fog; we needed that.

Dan

7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:34 PM PST by BibChr
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To: Khepera
The trouble with "family values" is that the concept has already given up half the battle-field to the left who (whether on behalf of homosexual libertinism, or for whatever other reason) want to destroy traditional morality.

"Values" is what sociologists in their professionally adopted objective stance call those things regarded as virtues by cultures or groups they study. "Values" is what Nietzsche renamed virtues so he could turn them on their head in his "trans-valuation of values".

Until we stop ceding the rhetorical field by using the enemy's word (even qualified with the adjective "family") we really can't effectively resist the coopting of "family values". We should speak about virtues, family virtues, community virtues, moral virtues, not "values".

Of course, it would be nice if, even before repenting of their particular vice, and returning to the virtue of chastity, homosexuals were to practice other virtues: prudence, modesty, charity, humility,...

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:34 PM PST by The_Reader_David
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To: AppyPappy
And who's to say what "love" is. I can call my dog "love" but is he really love? When people say "I love you", do they really mean "I Hank's dog you"? What is that supposed to mean? This is not my beautiful house. This is not my beautiful wife.

Love is also a complicated concept, though there are specific brainwave patterns and physiological reactions associated with the emotion commonly known as love and these could be measured with the right tools.

None of that has to do with how "family values" are defined. The article puts forth the idea that "homosexual family values" is an oxymoron, but this implies that there is some existing definition, even if somewhat vague, of family values. I'm not saying that such a definition does not exist or that the author is incorrect -- but I don't know what the definition is, and that's why I'm asking.
9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:35 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: Khepera
Those twinkies are always up to some mischief.
10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:35 PM PST by NoClones
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To: Khepera
We believe that the number of homosexual "families" in which something near monogamy is practiced is on the order of less than 3% and that the vast majority of male homosexuals, in particular, participate in sexual liasons outside of their so-called "union" continually.

Even in the worst of times for actual marriages, infidelity rates don't come close to those among homosexuals and that the difference illustrates why civilization is bedrock based on marriage if it is to survive.

11 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:36 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: Khepera
Traditional Family = Husband, Wife (female), and children.

Gay Family = Husband, Husband, and a tube of vasoline.

12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:37 PM PST by Gotcha1
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To: Dimensio
Some will tell you that a definition of family values does not exist. I say they are defined in the Bible.... Read it!
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:45 PM PST by Khepera
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To: Dimensio
-Hi i am Tony Horton im 44 years old. I use to live the life of a homosexual. Then i saw the truth in God's word. God says a homosexual will not enter the kingdom of God 1Cor..6:9-11---- Romans 1:17-32 Visit Christians No Longer Gay Living For God web page at http://cnlglfg.com
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:45 PM PST by TonyTheTigger
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God bless Tony amen
15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:46 PM PST by Khepera
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To: BibChr
A while back I saw this phrase on a billboard: "the new traditional values."

The "new world order" didn't help either---"homeland" defense sounds German---ins---border guards too!

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This little volume by Desmond Ford examines the nuclear peril in the light of the radical love of God expressed in Jesus. It is full of faith and hope. For example: "The problem is not the nuclear weapons. It is the nuclear man. No one would be worried about nuclear war if Mother Theresa was put in charge of the nuclear weapons. It's not the hardware, it's the heartware." "The bomb is limited in its range. The worst it can do can only last until the resurrection."

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:47 PM PST by f.Christian
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To: Khepera
Any group that harasses and hates the Boy Scouts of America has the wrong kind of family values! And the United Way needs to STOP THE DE-FUNDING OF THE BOY SCOUTS! For victory & freedom!!!
17 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:47 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Khepera
I think the only group of people more interested in Homosexuality than Freepers are actual homosexuals. What is with all the homosexual stories lately? I log on during lunch today to find 20% of the stories listed dealing with homosexuals. Obsessed are we? Its amazing how a gaggle of hair dressers can create such fear...
18 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:47 PM PST by toupsie
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To: Khepera
Some will tell you that a definition of family values does not exist. I say they are defined in the Bible.... Read it!

Defined where in the Bible, or is the entire book to be taken as the definition? Is the command to stone disobedient children to death regarded as part of the definition of Family Values?
19 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:53 PM PST by Dimensio
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To: toupsie
If you enjoy being (Excuse the expression) Flamed then you post anti-homosexual messages to any discussion board. If you enjoy making sense then you post anti-homosexual messages to Free Republic.
20 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:53 PM PST by Khepera
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