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Ocean Temperatures, Solar Cycles Linked
Space.com ^ | 11/16/2001 | Paul Recer (AP)

Posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:17 PM PST by cogitator

While hunting for Leonids information I ran across this:

Oceans Temps, Solar Cycles Linked

WASHINGTON (AP) _ The brightening and dimming of the sun may account for a 1,500-year cycle of cooling and warming on parts of the Earth, a study of ice in the North Atlantic suggests.

Researchers found that a very slight difference in the amount of solar energy reaching the Earth can have a powerful chilling effect on the climate: ice builds up in lands bordering the North Atlantic, the average temperature drops in Europe and North America.

``Whether the whole Earth is affected, we don't know for sure yet, but it is certainly implied,'' said Gerard C. Bond, a researcher at the Lamont-Doherty Earth Observatory of Columbia University in Palisades, N.Y.

``The effect does extend from the high northern latitudes down, maybe even to the tropics,'' said Bond, first author of a study appearing Friday in the journal Science.

The cycle of sunlight intensity roughly follows a 1,500-year pattern, based on analysis of the past 12,000 years. But the difference from the top of the cycle to the bottom is very small, with less than a 0.1 percent difference in energy levels, he said.

Bond and his colleagues believe this is enough to trigger severe climate changes, such as the Little Ice Age, a 490-year period starting in 1400 that dramatically chilled Europe and the North Atlantic.

``The climate system is extremely sensitive to weak forces, such as solar variability,'' Bond said. ``That should make us that much more worried about greenhouse warming.''

Greenhouse warming is thought to be caused by an increase in the atmosphere of carbon dioxide from the burning of fossil fuels, including oil, gas and coal.

The study is an effort to determine if small changes in sunlight over centuries can cause the Earth's climate to warm or cool. Other experts working on the same problem said Bond and his team have made a strong case.

``It shows that the connection is real,'' Jeffrey Park of Yale University said in Science. To David Thomson of Queen's University in Ontario, Canada, it seems like ``a fairly convincing case.''

Bond and his colleagues analyzed small bits of rock that were dropped to the Atlantic floor after being carried to sea by icebergs that broke off glaciers in Iceland and other northern islands.

The rocks fell as the icebergs melted, Bond said. Thus, the farther south the rocks fell, the farther south the icebergs drifted, providing a measure of ocean temperature.

To determine when the rocks were dropped, researchers dated the age of shells deposited at the same time and place.

The 1,500-year cycle of warming and cooling corresponds to data from tree ring studies, another way of measuring the sun's strength over time.

Bond said the sun, at its most energetic, strengthens the Earth's magnetic field, which blocks more cosmic rays, a type of radiation streaking in from deep space.

When cosmic rays hit plants, they cause the formation of certain isotopes, such as carbon-14, that can be measured in ancient tree rings. A tree ring rich in carbon-14 suggests an inactive sun, for example.

Measurements of the iceberg drift and the tree rings showed a similar cycle, Bond said.

``The connection we observed is that the increases in icebergs and drift ice occur at the same times as the increase in (carbon-14), which means the sun was weaker,'' said Bond.

He said the findings also agree with studies that measured the chilling of the Earth based on the advance and retreat of alpine glaciers in Europe.

Bond said the Earth's temperature is still recovering from the Little Ice Age, when ocean temperatures dropped by two to three degrees. That change was enough for ice to jam most of the North Atlantic, closing many ports in the winter and affecting the weather throughout Europe. Rivers that never freeze in modern times were routinely used then for ice skating, Bond said.

Based on the 1,500-year cycle, Bond said that the Earth's next little ice age could occur about the year 3100, plus or minus 500 years.


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Very cool (or hot, depending on your perspective)!
1 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:17 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Sounds a lot more plausible to me than blaming internal combustion engines and cow farts. This sure won't help sales of Earth in the Balance.
2 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:18 PM PST by jpl
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To: jpl
Sounds a lot more plausible to me than blaming internal combustion engines and cow farts. This sure won't help sales of Earth in the Balance.

As I read the article (there's a discussion at Science online, but not the actual article), it appears that they are saying the Little Ice Age was caused by a "weak" Sun, and solar activity is currently getting stronger. So if there is greenhouse gas warming, increasing solar activity would augment it. If there isn't, then there might still be some warming due to solar activity (and not much we could do about it).

3 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:19 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Ocean Temperatures, Solar Cycles Linked

Who'd have thought! The tempuratures on Earth are linked to the Sun's output, amazing.

I wonder how much we paid to "learn" this?

(/Sarcasm)

4 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:21 PM PST by RJL
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To: cogitator
Who would of thunk it! The sun has an effect on the Earths climate? Get outta here! < /sarcasm >

Really though, this is a good article. Thanks for posting it.

5 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:22 PM PST by PogySailor
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To: RJL
LOL!
6 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:22 PM PST by PogySailor
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Anyone see that propoganda bunk the Weather Channel was showing last night? Yeah, they had conflicting points of view on global warming, but most of the so-called "scientific experts" were using statements like, "There is unamimous conclusion that man is inducing warming" blah, blah, blah. That channel has really gone downhill, with all those stupid blather shows like Atmospheres, just give me the freakin' weather. Must be run by a militant feminist lesbian(hence the PC), because have you noticed that most of the women are solid professionals, but most of the guys are doofus dorks("Hi, I'm Dave Schwartz, MY FRIEND.")
7 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:38 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat
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To: cogitator
So if there is greenhouse gas warming, increasing solar activity would augment it. If there isn't, then there might still be some warming due to solar activity (and not much we could do about it).

Manmade greenhouse warming would leave specific temperature differences at different altitudes in the atmosphere. We've looked for those differences and they aren't there. There is no manmade greenhouse warming.

The study cited in this article confirms earlier studies. There are also changes in the Earth's orbit that causes heating variability from the Sun.

8 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:41 PM PST by Moonman62
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Manmade greenhouse warming would leave specific temperature differences at different altitudes in the atmosphere. We've looked for those differences and they aren't there.

Who are you citing for this information? One of the clearest signals that there is some warming occurring is that the stratosphere is cooling, as measured by satellites. The stratosphere is kept warm by longwave radiation from the lower atmospheric levels. If some of that radiation is blocked, which is what greenhouse gases do, then the stratosphere cools. And this is a very clear signal.

9 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:43 PM PST by cogitator
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To: cogitator
Cross linking:

15-century cool spell is tied to fickle sun

10 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:43 PM PST by Incorrigible
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To: cogitator
Blame the Sun for Global Warming.
12 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:44 PM PST by Straight Vermonter
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To: cogitator
I just cannot believe that the sun would have anything to do with the earths temperature. I thought it was caused by all those SUV's.
13 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:57 PM PST by Piquaboy
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To: cogitator
Good post
14 posted on 11/16/2001 1:25:02 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP
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To: cogitator
Who are you citing for this information? One of the clearest signals that there is some warming occurring is that the stratosphere is cooling, as measured by satellites. The stratosphere is kept warm by longwave radiation from the lower atmospheric levels. If some of that radiation is blocked, which is what greenhouse gases do, then the stratosphere cools. And this is a very clear signal.

It's the lack of heat trapping in the troposphere observed by satellites (and balloons) that conflicts with global warming models.

15 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:02 PM PST by Moonman62
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To: Moonman62
It's the lack of heat trapping in the troposphere observed by satellites (and balloons) that conflicts with global warming models.

Yet the people that make the models admit that they don't adequately represent the convective processes that would transfer heat from the troposphere to the middle atmosphere. So the difference between surface warming and mid-atmosphere warming is apparently a real effect and only indicates a lack of resolution in the models.

16 posted on 11/16/2001 1:27:07 PM PST by cogitator
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Who are you?
17 posted on 11/16/2001 6:26:19 PM PST by Libloather
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