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British troops 'in peril' as net closes on bin Laden
The Observer ^ | November 18, 2001 | Kamal Ahmed in London and Chris Stephen in Kabul

Posted on 11/17/2001 9:43:28 PM PST by CommiesOut

British troops 'in peril' as net closes on bin Laden

· UK soldiers may be pulled out, warns Hoon
· Mystery as Taliban claim bin Laden has fled


Kamal Ahmed in London and Chris Stephen in Kabul
Sunday November 18, 2001
The Observer


Britain last night signalled its grave concern about the dangers facing coalition forces in Afghanistan as heavily armed warring factions demanded that foreign troops 'get off our sovereign soil'.

In a series of developments which showed that the war in Afghanistan was in danger of slipping into diplomatic and military chaos, Geoff Hoon, the Secretary of State for Defence, told The Observer that the situation on the ground was 'pretty grim' and that a contingent of 6,000 British troops may now not be deployed in Kabul.

As fighting continued throughout parts of the country still under the Taliban's control, Hoon also indicated that the group of 100 troops, including members of the Special Boat Squadron, already in the capital could be pulled out as tribal warlords began carving up the country, demanding bribes from locals, killing captured Taliban soldiers and looting property from civilians.

'It sounds pretty dangerous,' Hoon said in an interview with The Observer . 'If they have completed their work we will pull them out. We are not keeping them there for the sake of it.

'If they say we have got enough information, they will come out and we will then make a judgment as to who goes in, if anyone goes in, thereafter.'

The Northern Alliance warlords, competing for supremacy as the country drifts into a political vacuum, said that the British forces had never been invited and that they would not allow a large force in to secure the key airstrip at Bagram on the outskirts of the capital.

Mines litter the area and there are fears that marauding militias, hardened by years of conflict, could inflict serious casualties on any large-scale British force. Special forces were also said to be in the mountains carrying out search-and-destroy missions on al-Qaeda troops.

Yesterday Engineer Arif, the Alliance's deputy intelligence chief and a senior figure in the organisation, said that the troops had arrived without proper consultation and that only 15 could stay to undertake 'humanitarian tasks'.

Hours later Dr Abdullah Abdullah, the Alliance's Foreign Minister, said that there was no agreement on enlarging the force.

'We are talking about a number less than one hundred British soldiers,' he said. 'If we are talking about the presence of thousands of fighting forces from outside Afghanistan then this is an issue that must be discussed.'

The news comes as a significant blow to efforts to put humanitarian systems in place before the snows of winter set in. Without an operating airfield, large drops of food or peace-keeping forces will not be possible. The chaos also raises the spectre of the country once more being plunged into anarchy by tribal warlords, who now no longer need allied help to drive out the Taliban.

Hoon said British troops would not be put in danger, suggesting that a major reassessment of military options in Afghanistan was taking place.

It now seems clear that plans to put a large contingent of British troops on the ground in Afghanistan have been put on hold. Sources said that any deployment was not imminent.

The arrival in Afghanistan of the Government's special envoy, Stephen Evans, has also been delayed.

'It has to be dependent on the situation on the ground, how that evolves and crucially whether we can get them [British troops] in safely,' Hoon said. 'We are certainly not going to put them in and take risks with them.'

Military sources said that individuals who had set their face against the arrival of coalition forces could wreak havoc.

'You have to bear in mind that a single Taliban with a shoulder-launched missile, hiding not too far off that runway, could cause a massive problem,' an official closely linked to the British military campaign said.

'One C130 [supply plane] coming down as a result of being hit, a slow-moving aircraft hit by a missile as it is coming in or taking off, you would lose a lot of people.'

Yesterday the former Afghan president, Burhanuddin Rabbani, arrived in the newly captured capital for the first time since he was driven out by the Taliban in 1996.

It is feared that this could mark a return to the factional fighting that destroyed the country after 1992, when rival warlords carved the country into personal fiefdoms and paved the way for the Taliban's rise to power. Rabbani insisted that he wanted to see a broadly based government as demanded by the Americans and the British but officials in the area suggested he would not agree to United Nations demands that the first conference of Afghan leaders be held in a neutral venue.

It appears that Rabbani will demand it is held in Kabul and will make it clear that the Northern Alliance is negotiating from a position of strength.

In a move to try to stave off any faction fighting, the UN envoy, Francesc Vendrell, arrived in the capital yesterday to try to help work out a plan for a new Afghan government.

It was also unclear last night whether Osama bin Laden was still in the country. The Taliban envoy to Pakistan, Abdul Salam Zaeef, said bin Laden had left Afghanistan and the Islamic militia did not know his whereabouts.

'Osama has left Afghanistan with his children and his wives and we have no idea where he has gone,' Zaeef said.

But US intelligence sources said that there was no evidence that bin Laden had left Afghanistan. Officials said the Taliban have made other false claims during the war.



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1 posted on 11/17/2001 9:43:28 PM PST by CommiesOut
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2 posted on 11/17/2001 9:45:13 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: CommiesOut
"'It sounds pretty dangerous,' Hoon said in an interview with The Observer . "

I think I understand now. The Brits thought they were going to another tea party.

3 posted on 11/17/2001 9:51:49 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: madrussian; malarski; Askel5; GROUCHOTWO; Zviadist; kristinn; Free the USA; struwwelpeter...
Oops, forgot about you, guys.
4 posted on 11/17/2001 9:54:22 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: Don Myers
Atilla Not So Hoon.
5 posted on 11/17/2001 9:55:59 PM PST by CommiesOut
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The British bulldog can handle it. Covering the airport for the sake of military and humanitarian reasons would be the perfect answer to the big speech Blair gave in September.
6 posted on 11/17/2001 9:59:11 PM PST by Harp
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To: CommiesOut; madrussian; Sawdring; RCW2001
In a series of developments which showed that the war in Afghanistan was in danger of slipping into diplomatic and military chaos, Geoff Hoon, the Secretary of State for Defence, told The Observer that the situation on the ground was 'pretty grim' and that a contingent of 6,000 British troops may now not be deployed in Kabul

Duh. Looks like some people are belatedly figuring out that while America and England were busy figurining out how to use the NA, the NA was figuring out how to use them.

The Nothern Alliance's Cruel History

And the false logic that this is OK because they're just means to an end, will not be lost on any potential pseudo-allies.

Expect pseudo-allies to be a lot harder to come by in the weeks and months ahead.

7 posted on 11/17/2001 10:00:42 PM PST by AGAviator
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At least we'll have more books and TV programs about: "Why don't they like us?"
8 posted on 11/17/2001 10:05:08 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: AGAviator
Frankly I don't care if the whole country swirls down the crapper. As long as we kill who we went there to kill, I'll be happy.
9 posted on 11/17/2001 10:07:47 PM PST by paul544
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Then, the answer to the Northern Alliance is that THEY must repair the airport and secure it in order to bring in the aid that the people so desperately need.

All this should have been worked out before a move was made. By not having a meeting with all the commanders, it ended up being an insult. If they would have discussed the reasons, there probably would have been no trouble.

10 posted on 11/17/2001 10:08:35 PM PST by McGavin999
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"And the false logic that this is OK . . ."

I'm guessing that our military planners would call it a calculated risk, not false logic. There's bound to be a downside to whichever means were chosen to respond to 9-11.

Obviously the worst choice would have been to do nothing. Are you making the argument that America should have invaded with all of it's own people and blocking the Alliance from taking any part?

11 posted on 11/17/2001 10:09:26 PM PST by Harp
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To: AGAviator
The "liberator" stuff is for public consumption only. It's on the same level of intelligence as "they hate us because we are good" and is designed to make the sheeple feel good.
12 posted on 11/17/2001 10:09:31 PM PST by madrussian
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To: CommiesOut
Don't fuel air bombs work just as well on the Northern Alliance as they do Taliban? I fail to see a serious problem here somehow.
13 posted on 11/17/2001 10:20:00 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Miss, even barbarians know that Empire is not too strong.
14 posted on 11/17/2001 10:22:41 PM PST by CommiesOut
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Can't be that dangerous, the French are finally sending troops..LOL
15 posted on 11/17/2001 10:27:37 PM PST by col kurz
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Empire? It seems to me we can do just about any thing we want to. If it takes killing a few tribal warriors or leaders to get the point across that we are running this show the way we want to then we should do just that.

Power and brute force is all they understand or respect, they are going to do it our way or the highway to Allah, it won't take many examples before they fall into line.

16 posted on 11/17/2001 10:36:01 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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To: AGAviator
Tony Blair is growing increasingly frustrated with the administration of President George W Bush for not pursuing diplomatic and humanitarian initiatives more vigorously. A cabinet minister said: "The Americans are interested only in trying to get Bin Laden and push the Taliban further back. Tony's view is that now is the moment to get in there, both in terms of humanitarian aid and the diplomatic front."
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17 posted on 11/17/2001 10:45:27 PM PST by CommiesOut
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To: MissAmericanPie
Let's roll then.
18 posted on 11/17/2001 10:46:06 PM PST by CommiesOut
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It just seems to me, that if we are going to do this, there should be no question that to the victor goes the decisions, no political dancing or we could be there for the next century. Besides, other nations are watching very closely to see our resolve and how far we are willing to go to win this. We cannot blow it by becoming entangled in unending diplomacy. So yes "Let's Roll" over anyone standing in the way of our goals, because our goals are righteous, no one is going to come up with better goals for the lives of the individuals in these nations.
19 posted on 11/17/2001 11:00:13 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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