Can you please ping all the hysterical reactionaries who've posted today?

This a MUST READ! along with Condi Rice's interview on MTP with timmy russert.

When did we declare war? Congress has been AWOL.

More to the point is a need to make sure our election system is fair and only allows US citizens to vote then if the Government goes too far we have the means to correct it.

Now I have ping lists, but I absolutely refuse to start a "hysterical reactionaries ping list". ;-D

The truth is, we are at war. Failure to act accordingly would only encourage far worse.

The problem lay in our Congress not having declared war as is its duty under the Constitution.

Article 1 Section 8 "The Congress shall have power ...

• To define and punish piracies and felonies committed on the high seas, and offenses against the law of nations;
• To declare war, grant letters of marque and reprisal, and make rules concerning captures on land and water;

Good one! I was kidding anyway, ---- well, sort of!

FYImput

In war, the object is not to accord your enemy the same rights as your own citizens, but to get the enemy in your sights and then kill him.

War was declared on us on 9-11.

What the congress decides to call it is a political matter, but we are at war none the less.

I am 100% in favor of the actions taken on the tribunals, with the very profound caveats expressed by ancient_geezer in #5. The President and the Congress have a Constitutional obligation to formally...

Declare War Now!

Otherwise, we're on a slippery slope with this. President Bush has my trust for now, but who knows about his successors? We're living in a time when he hide the Vice President because we fear a WMD decapitation of the government.

I believe Robert Byrd is now President Pro Tem of the Senate, putting him 3rd in line after VP Cheney and Speaker Hastert for Presidential succession. Are you ready to trust the tribunal powers in the hands of a former Klansman? I'm not. Do you know all of the 14 Cabinet members? I don't.

I believe succession would go from Byrd to Powell (State) to Ashcroft (Justice) to Rumsfeld (Defense) to O'Neill (Treasury)... after that I don't even know the Cabinet Departments, let alone the Secretaries.

Asking for a formal Declaration of War is not hysterical, it's Constitutional.

I think we should have declared war on 9-12.

The problem is our congress critters are mostly all castratos.

I think we should have declared war on 9-12.

The problem is our congress critters are mostly all castratos.

I agree about Congress, but there is no way the President wouldn't have gotten a formal declaration had he asked for it. It was his call, and he didn't make it. It's one of the few faults I have with him in this (southern border is the other), but it's a HUGE error on his part.

Not a single strong argument against a formal declaration to be found anywhere, on either side of the aisle. The American public would have been more than 80% for it.

Adolph Hitler and his Brownshirts used all the same excuses and reassurances when they compelled the Reichstag into passing the "Enabling Act." Hitler reassured citizens that most of the provisions of the legislation never would be used. The rest is history.

We're very close to living in a police state. And, no, we're not at war. Congress has not declared war. Nor are we fighting terrorism in Afghansistan (or very many other places for that matter); we are engaged in nation-building, which was preceded as usual by bombing the hell out of the country and killing hundreds of innocent civilians.

Nor are we fighting terrorism in Afghansistan (or very many other places for that matter); we are engaged in nation-building, which was preceded as usual by bombing the hell out of the country and killing hundreds of innocent civilians.

Every thing you just stated is a lie.

We are a long ways from having a state like the Taliban's!

Now that is a type of Police State!

What the congress decides to call it is a political matter, but we are at war none the less.

We may be in a fight, we are not in a war until Congress declares such. The Press does not declare war, the President does not declare war, and Joe Blow on the street does not declare war. Only Congress has that authority and is has not yet acted on the matter.

It is long passed time for this nation to start adhere to the Constitution, or admit that there is no Constitution and the Federal government is once again acting without authority or rule of law.

I agree, he could have and should have.

Were Korea and Viet Nam wars?

We may be in a fight, we are not in a war until Congress declares such

That is not accurate. The DOW places Congressional approval for the President to assume his war powers as the CIC. The Joint Resolution did the same thing. The DOW is just a check and balance. That check and balance has been accomplished.

Sabertooth, Bush has way more powers without the war being declared by congress. He could also have some powers that he doesn't have now like "Marshall Law" if he wanted it if war was declared by congress!

There's no powers that he needs to operate as Commander in Chief that he can't get right now even without war being declared !