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So We Won, Now What?
CalNRA.Org ^ | 18 November 2001 | William Lolli

Posted on 11/20/2001 9:40:19 AM PST by 45Auto

Seems like everybody now knows that the pro-2nd Amendment crowd has won the Emerson debate. And it seems like baby-boomers and post-baby boomers have experienced a lesson in what the Founding Fathers meant by saying that the “whole people” was the militia. And it seems that it is clear to all Americans what the 2nd Amendment meant when it said that its purpose in existence was to ensure “the security of a free state”.

How do we know that America has learned a lesson here? The barometer of every cultural shift in priorities seems to be able to be measured in material, capitalistic terms. I am of course referring to the fact that gun sales and Concealed Carry Permit applications are on the rise nation-wide. That means more gun owners. That means more people using guns for self-defense, as was their intent when purchasing them. And now we have the Emerson ruling reinforcing in law what September 11th has taught through a victim experience.

Yeah, so. Now what?

Well, the answer to the “now what?” question seems to be a series of fund raising letters from the national offices of the NRA.

Let’s see. So far I’ve received the Publishers-Clearinghouse-cloned NRA Sweepstakes appeal letter. I have also gotten the appeal letter for the “help our boys overseas” Contract With America’s Armed Services from NRA-ILA’s James Jay Baker (to protect the GI’s voting rights no less). And the latest is the creation of the James Madison Brigade Internet Library in support of 2nd Amendment history and knowledge.

Huh? Did I miss the important priorities here?

I am sure that a lot of NRA members enjoy the sweepstakes. Fine. I am sure that we all want our GI’s to vote. Fine. And I am sure that we could all use a new 2nd Amendment database-web site to help kids learn about the RKBA. Fine.

But are those things as important as:

Ø Vigorously pursuing a national concealed carry policy and getting it into law to protect our citizens?

Ø Vigorously going after 2nd Amendment civil rights violations at the highest levels of government?

Ø Holding civilly accountable public officials who would violate our civil rights?

In the first case, consider that Pennsylvania, Kentucky, and Florida just announced a precedent setting agreement recognizing each state’s CCWs. NRA HQ is not as vocal as it could be if it is in fact supporting efforts in organizing a National CCW policy and seeking to expand this newly announced agreement to include other CCW states. I hardly ever hear the NRA-ILA talk about national CCW objectives, yet that is the number one legislative issue on the minds of gun owners across the US.

In the second case, where is the equal protection of the 14th Amendment in providing all US citizens the protection of 2nd Amendment rights under the law? Here in California for example, CCWs are only dispensed to the rich, the powerful, and to political contributors. The average Kentucky Joe has a right to defend his family, but the California Joe does not. Tough luck? I contend that it wouldn’t be if the NRA took the lead and pursued a civil class action law suit on the part of denied applicants in Federal Court. (See the Jim March section of CALNRA.ORG)

What about this new California handgun-licensing scheme? Citizens in Arizona don’t need the state’s permission to buy a gun, but if you are from CA, you do. And the law is an open-drawer full of sharp knives. It was purposely created so that it can be amended to demand future, conditional state-required permissions complete with fees, taxes, residential inspections and other civil rights violations.

The California Attorney General has publicly stated-- and still maintains after the Emerson ruling-- that the 2nd Amendment is a state power. There is no individual right to defense in his mind. In fact it is quite the opposite: he supports the creation of victim disarmament zones whenever and wherever he can. And he selectively enforces the law as he sees fit.

If the Attorney General of the State of California publicly stated that he personally interpreted the law to mean that blacks should be segregated or women should not vote, and vowed to “enforce” the law based upon his view of the law; the man would be run out of town. And personally sued for every violation of Federal law.

And yet public officials like him all across the US are given a pass as they continually violate civil liberties in their enforcement of these constitutionally unjust gun laws.

And why do they continue to do this? Because no one is taking them on. Where is the advocate of the gun owner in the courtroom? Where is the Judicial Watch of the average gun owner? Is it the NRA? If so, tell me where I am wrong, because I don’t see the vigorous desire to hold these people accountable.

Granted the NRA is very big on its ballot box presence and its influence as a lobbying power in Washington DC. (Thank God !) But they (we) have always been soft in the courtroom. And our opponents have won many anti-gun battles in the courtroom. It is time to turn our attention to the courtroom, and start winning. We won in Emerson. It is time to use Emerson to win other battles.

As to the third point, I guarantee you it would only take a few civil law suit convictions of local and state politicians, being held personally responsible to shake up the whole California CCW-denial racket. Let there be a class action law suit against the state every time a citizen is injured, shot, raped, or murdered as a result of having been denied the right to protect themselves by a license-withholding bureaucrat. You will then see change.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial
KEYWORDS: banglist
Don't fry me; I'm a stanch supporter of NRA; but I, too, would like to see some action in states like California where government officials continue to thumb their noses at the US Constitution.
1 posted on 11/20/2001 9:40:19 AM PST by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto; *bang_list
Bump.
2 posted on 11/20/2001 9:41:45 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: 45Auto
"Vigorously pursuing a national concealed carry policy and getting it into law to protect our citizens?

We don't need a "national" permit if the Feds will simply enforce Article IV Section 2. of the Constitution : "The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states."

3 posted on 11/20/2001 10:03:29 AM PST by bruoz
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To: bruoz
Bump!!! This deserves attention!
4 posted on 11/20/2001 12:34:00 PM PST by dcwusmc
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To: 45Auto
Now we get to waste untold hundreds of millions of dollars rebuilding the same Islamic s**t hole that produced the fanatical murderers that attacked us!!!
7 posted on 11/20/2001 1:00:29 PM PST by Destructor
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To: EricOKC
I stand by a statement i have made previously. All, or at least a sizeable number, of gun owners in a state simply need to organize a protest on the state capital and bring the liberty teeth of their choice with them on the march. That would get the legislatures attention REAL quick.

Funny you should mention this...

Showdown at the Capitol!

Rick Stanley, Libertarian candidate for U.S. Senate, will probably be arrested by the Denver police at noon on the Colorado statehouse capitol steps, December 15, 2001, for insisting that his Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed. In a calculated act of civil disobedience, Rick will be carrying a loaded pistol in a holster in plain sight for all to see. Rick invites you to join him on Bill of Rights Day and defend your right to keep and bear arms.

Civil disobedience is the only way to secure our Constitutional rights against an unconstitutional government. The Denver Revised Municipal Code Chapter 38-117(b) is an unconstitutional abomination because it infringes the constitutionally protected right of all American citizens to keep and bear arms. It also violates the Colorado Constitution, Article II, Section 13, which guarantees every person?s right to keep and bear arms in defense of person, home, and property.

Join us as we exercise our additional rights peaceably to assemble, and to petition our government for the redress of grievances. We will protest this ongoing travesty they call ?law,? and ?justice? ? while they flagrantly disregard the mandates of the federal Constitution and our own Colorado Constitution.

Please stay away if you are a coward, a psycho, a liberal whiner, or a citizen who just wants to be safe and comfortable; or who doesn?t have the time to defend your Constitution, which is the basis of the American Republic.

"I will defend the Constitution, whether elected to the U.S. Senate or not; and if elected, I will crusade for the repeal of all the unconstitutional laws passed by a corrupted government the last 150 years." ? Rick Stanley

For more information see:
http://www.stanley2002.org/bor day.htm

8 posted on 11/20/2001 1:14:21 PM PST by white trash redneck
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To: EricOKC
It sounds like you're talking about massive civil disobedience, something like the "sit-ins" of the early '60's. When you put it in terms like that, I'm not sure that gunnies are willing to take the legal risks for their 2A rights that blacks were willing to take for their civil rights. You've made a really good point, and you've made me think (now that's something I don't do very often!).
10 posted on 11/20/2001 1:49:15 PM PST by white trash redneck
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To: 45Auto
Emerson came about only because a person decided to take the case to the Supreme Court. What you need is a Californian willing to take California to court.
12 posted on 11/20/2001 2:25:56 PM PST by Shooter 2.5
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To: 45Auto
Time to challenge the California assualt weapon ban. The Federal Court upheld the individual right to own weapons and to be part of the unregulated malitia. The 1939 Supreme Court case while establishing incorrectly that a sawed-off shotgun had no military value implied that if the weapon was a standard millitary individual arm it would have been appropriate and legal. Therefore, the federal courts are saying that the standard issue type rifle of the military is legal for any and all citizens to own. This means that the AR-15 semi-auto rifle can not be banned under federal law from any citizen. Than why is the state of California preventing me from owning such a rifle? Why do only a select goup of citizens that owned one before an arbitrary date have constitutional protection to own the standard type military rifle. The Second ammendment expressly intended that if the AR-15 is the standard type of rifle of the day in use that all citizens should be able to own one if they chose to do so without being infringed of that right. So, how does the State of California defend an unconstitutional so called assualt weapon ban? How could any court allow this law to be upheld? When will this be corected and challenged in federal court to throw out the illegal California law? How can a semi auto Ruger mini-14 be legal and a pistol grip AR-15 be illegal when they are the same small arm military type weapon to be used by both the regulated and unregulated malitia? The prison guards of the State of California are issued Ruger mini-14's so they must recognize this as a mailita type weapon. Nearly all local police and sherrif departments have AR-15's or surplus military M16's and I can fly to Moscow today and purchase a Colt AR-15 in a Russian gun store, but not in California? What a twisted world in which we live. The second amendment is not about hunting or sport shooting or olympic target shooting, it is about protecting liberty from bad governemnt and tyrants and keeping the people armed as well as the standing army of the country to prevent the Talibans of this world from taking away our freedom. Kiss my ass Bill Locklear
13 posted on 11/20/2001 2:30:09 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: Mat_Helm
Your points are all valid. I don't know what the answer is. The rotten, unconstitutional California AW ban, the first one, known as Roberti-Roos, has been upheld by both the commie 9th Federal Circuit Court of Appeals in the 1992 case, "Fresno Rod and Gun Club v. Van de Kamp" and then again by the California Supreme Court in 1999. This miserable, stupid, inane law was challenged on no less than SIX Constitutional provisions, including the 2nd Amendment and the damn lefty packed courts have always found a way to put their personal bias' into case law. I think the second unconstitutional AW ban, the infamous Perata SB 23, is being challenged by no less than 5 or 6 different cases, including a possible class-action suit involving the Americans with Disabilities Act!

What we need is for the US Congress to allow the 1994 Federal AW ban to sunset in 2004; what do you think the chances are that not only do they renew it, but make it even worse?

Until the US SC rules that the 2nd is about an individual right and incorporates the 2nd under the 14th, we will continue to be screwed by those we elect to office, and the RKBA will continue to be eroded.

15 posted on 11/20/2001 3:03:05 PM PST by 45Auto
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To: 45Auto
You are correct and the hypocracy is sickening. SB23 is so blatantly unconstitutional and the courts have no fear of taking the correct action because in this day and age they do not fear the people that placed them in power to uphold to the constitution they swore to defend. They only defend freedoms that they cherrish and not the fundemental ones that protect us all.

Oh well, they can't stop drugs in this country so what makes them think guns will not be hard to obtain. Criminals and law breakers will always be able to obtain anything they want and when it comes to guns only the honest person suffers from stupid imputant legislation from spineless people. They think they are making society safer and only make it more dangerous and cumbersome for honest people.

16 posted on 11/20/2001 9:01:44 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: EricOKC
You know what would happen? A government sniper(s) would fire shots and the soldiers/police on site would over react and there would be one hellofa gunfight!!! A government that would pass a GESTAPO Law is not interested in allowing the citizens to be armed. Au Contraire!!
17 posted on 11/20/2001 9:17:51 PM PST by poet
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I have recently become involved in a petition and I have been gathering signatures to petition John Ashcroft to nationally enforce the 2nd Amendment with Constitution burner states like California. Go to this internet site and look at the petition:

http://AshcroftPetition@KeepAndBearArms.com

Here's is your chance to do something besides complain about our system. Download this, print it out, and get anyone over 18, who is a U.S.A. citizen, to sign and mail it off to the listed address. Exercise your 1st Amendment rights to support the 2nd Amendment.

19 posted on 11/21/2001 5:54:30 AM PST by 2nd_Ammendment_Defender
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