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China Protests Against U.S. Submarine Sales to Taiwan
Reuters ^ | Nov. 21, 2001

Posted on 11/21/2001 4:17:58 AM PST by Tai_Chung

China repeated its objection on Tuesday to U.S. sales of submarines to Taiwan after a newspaper on the island reported that U.S. manufacturers may be trying to fill an order for the craft offered by Washington in April.

"We firmly oppose the American sale of arms, especially submarines, to Taiwan," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue told a news conference.

The Taipei-based China Times reported that seven U.S. manufacturers were planning to bid for tenders to build eight diesel submarines.

"We have urged the American side to recognise the serious consequences of selling arms to Taiwan," said Zhang.

Beijing considers Taiwan a breakaway province to be reunified with the mainland by force if necessary.

Beijing is particularly alarmed by the prospect of Taiwan obtaining a fleet of modern submarines which could thwart any Chinese blockade of the island.

The Taiwan newspaper quoted unnamed U.S. officials as saying the seven contractors, including Northrop Grumman Corp and General Dynamics, had submitted letters of intent to bid for the tender, which is expected to open in January.

The U.S. officials declined to identify the other five manufacturers, the newspaper said.

Earlier this month, another Taiwan newspaper quoted U.S. military officials as saying the Pentagon supported the building of the boats. The United States no longer builds diesel submarines, making only nuclear craft.

Jane's Defence Weekly reported this week that U.S. manufacturers were exploring ways to obtain blueprints for diesel submarines from other countries.

The Netherlands and Germany, which both make diesel submarines, have said they will not be part of a deal for fear of angering China.

This year's U.S. arms sales package to Taiwan, which included four Kidd-class destroyers, 12 anti-submarine P-3 "Orion" aircraft and other high-tech weapons, was the biggest in more than a decade.

Last month, Taiwan's legislators said the island would start taking delivery of diesel submarines from the United States in 2010 as part of an arms build-up in the face of Chinese military threats.


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1 posted on 11/21/2001 4:17:58 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: Tai_Chung
We are really, really sorry and won't do it again.
2 posted on 11/21/2001 5:12:49 AM PST by Piquaboy
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To: Tai_Chung
Imagine if our Chinese brothers and sisters decided to recover their rogue province, Taiwan, now, while we are engaged in Afghanistan.

Is there any way in hell that we could defend or help defend the Island? Could we spare even one carrier fleet? Or imagine Iraq mounting a punitive expedition against the Kurds at precisely this moment. Or imagine both, China and Iraq, making their moves now, instead of later.

We are fortunate that our many enemies are apparently too stupid or too myopic to coordinate their activities. But will this always be the case?
3 posted on 11/21/2001 5:47:31 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Asclepius
The last time our enemies coordinated their wars, we demolished Germany, Italy, and Japan.

If the US had to fight a multi-front war again, I'm confident they could win. Unfortunately, the biggest threat would be anti-war zealots trying to undermine US morale.

4 posted on 11/21/2001 6:40:27 AM PST by Tai_Chung
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To: Tai_Chung
The last time our enemies coordinated their wars, we demolished Germany, Italy, and Japan.
The Axis never coordinated, or at least not terribly well. E.g. Eatwell's Fascism; A History details many of the misfires and miscommunications and missed opportunities of the Nazi and Fascist heirarchies. I generally hate "what if" histories, but what if Japan after Pearl Harbor had taken Madagascar, using it as a staging ground for land, sea, and air operations against the Suez Canal etc. The Germans never would have lost the Med or North Africa etc., and the British would have been choked off from operations in the Pacific.

German AWACs now patrol our East coast, Indian tankers fuel our ships in the Persian Gulf--we are, even now, over-extended, over-deployed. Granted, thanks to Reagan era military reforms, we have learned how to fight outnumbered and win (the so-called RMA or Revolution in Military Affairs). But there is a limit to our capabilities. And the world is catching up fast, particularly our Chinese brothers and sisters (e.g. Sunburn anti-ship missiles, non-radar target acquisition systems, integrated battlespace management systems).
5 posted on 11/21/2001 9:07:56 AM PST by Asclepius
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To: Tai_Chung
"China repeated its objection...."

Ahhh..shut-up...

6 posted on 11/21/2001 1:50:45 PM PST by ChaseR
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To: Tai_Chung
Screw the Chicoms. They are lying snakes and are not to be trusted.
7 posted on 11/21/2001 2:11:41 PM PST by MistrX
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To: Tai_Chung
(A) How do you say, "Oh well!" in Chinese?

(B) If, as China contends, Taiwan is just part of China, then... how can China object to the sales of subs to itself?

Dan

8 posted on 11/21/2001 2:13:56 PM PST by BibChr
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Methinks China protesth too much.

What if we sold Taiwan a boomer?

5.56mm

9 posted on 11/21/2001 2:14:33 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: BibChr
(B) If, as China contends, Taiwan is just part of China, then... how can China object to the sales of subs to itself?

ROFLMAO!

5.56mm

11 posted on 11/21/2001 2:16:17 PM PST by M Kehoe
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Taiwan and China are a lot closer than anyone here seems to think. Lots of businesses are moving to china and they just now announced Chicoms can visit taiwan on tourist visas. Right now the KMT are falling out of favor big time, in fact they are debating whether or not to send CKS's reamains back to his home town or keep them in Taiwan. Most people there refer to China as mainland China, or in their term "China Mainland."
12 posted on 11/25/2001 10:15:01 PM PST by KneelBeforeZod
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