Things are falling in place, good, let's roll.

Al-Daawa, which was founded in 1958, is the oldest Shiite opposition party in Iraq

Oh yes, democracy in action ... Muslim style.

Just don't promise aid to them and change our minds. They won't believe us anyway, and shouldn't.

Of course, they could turn out worse than Saddam, if they win.

Some appetizers before Saddam's last meal. After these potato skins and mozzarella sticks, he'll be served a big, fat, juicy American cheeseburger.

Al-Daawa,any more info on this group as in how many and political view.Could we use them as we did the NA?

If we are unwilling to make our adversaries and allies repent for their misdeeds, there is no way we will ever have any help from anywhere. In this sense, only Israel is our ally, because Israel is the only nation the US is capable of asking to repent.

At this stage of the game,supporting any Muslim government is no good;they will just bite us on the butt 10 years from now.Middle Easterners hate us,period.To the victor goes the spoils,right?We should choose who governs Iraq.Afghanistan,et al.After all.why liberate them if are just going to have to go back in the future and do it all over again.Its time to face facts;Muslim=Bad.

"Could we use them as we did the NA?"

I's prefer to see the Turks go in.

Just be patient and we will soon be dropping some nice daisy-cutters to help in your efforts.

But would they commit to a ground offensive?Would they declare war against Iraq and if we supported them with air power would we in turn declare war?Then the question comes is who or what nation might decare war on us.Bombing taliban and a congresionl declaration of war against another country is quite distinguishable(spl).

Why would an Iranian-style government in Iraq be better than what is there now?

"But would they commit to a ground offensive?"

Don't know. They do seem a little anxious at times to get 'involved' in the war on terrorism. That would also give them an excuse to 'work over' the Kurds in Iraq.

We may have a harder time getting much help from the iraqi opposition than we did with the NA. These folks, especially the Kurds will remember how we left them hanging at the end of the gulf war.

I may be wrong, but I think the Kurds hate the shiites, as we should also.

Things are quite complicated over there.I get a headache sometimes trying to remember all the players and who's in bed with one another,who just got divorced and who's cheatin who and those don't even care anymore.Oh,and lets not forget who's romancing who just for a one night stand,gee,politics is like everyday life isn't it.

Holy shiite!

Saddam is unrepentent and needs to be taken out. It's not a question of what would be better or worse, it is a question of showing that whoever does not repent of terrorism will be taken out. Period. We cannot wallow in prognosis, principle shall stand, no matter the consequences, why? Because we cannot know the consequences, we can only know what we did right and wrong. Keeping Saddam in power was wrong because he never repented and made things worse. Worse, he demanded that we repent. That's where we draw the line.

We have a chance of obtaining an Iraqui government, hence we have an opportunity to install a more polite and self repenting government. It is not a given, but definitely an opportunity. Not doing anything has gotten us the WTC destruction. Obviously, it was wrong. Let us try something different.

Muslims can selectively quote the Koran to suit circumstances, and not just to deceive Westerners. Let's not paint them into a corner.

Without ignoring the war manual parts of the Koran, we can still avoid turning this into a religious conflict. People turn to this fanatic religious junk when the liberal (classic liberal) secular realm fails. The West has proven that that realm can work, and the Muslims and others in the Mid East will someday prove that too. (I feel optimistic this morning)

Saddam will not be as easily dislodged as the Taliban. I'm not sure if we supported the wrong side in the Gulf War. Saudi and Kuwait have sent more terrorists and $$ for terrorists to the USA than Saddam ever has.

I'm not sure that a pro-Iranian Shiite government would be better than Saddam. I suspect the reason why we didn't dislodge him in 1991 was because his replacement(s) would be worse. We have to think ahead before we act.