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Its Time to Give the British Credit
Deseret News ^ | 25 November 2001 | Walter Ellis

Posted on 11/25/2001 9:58:21 AM PST by klee

In London, the "special relationship" between America and Britain, originally defined by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, is often cited as a living, breathing thing that allows the United Kingdom to "punch above its weight" in international affairs.

Not so in the United States, where, until recently, it was rarely admitted and frequently derided.

During Mexican President Vicente Fox's visit to Washington just before Sept. 11, the message went out from President Bush that there was "no more important relationship" for America than that it shared with Mexico. But it did not take long for the old order to reassert itself.

Britain and its prime minister, Tony Blair, have given everything they can to the United States in its hour of need. In doing so, they continue a proud tradition. Some have argued in the past that the Brits are White House poodles, rolling over or baring their fangs, depending on what is required. Others, more fancifully, have referred to them as the Greeks to America's Rome. Whatever the truth, the British are always there when America needs them.

But who gives a high-five for Britain?

The Irish (of whom I am one) are beloved in the United States. The IRA and Sinn Fein received the bulk of their funding over the years from the United States. Much of that cash enabled acts of terrorism against British interests and citizens. The Jews are embraced as America's chosen people: Billions of dollars go out each year to Israel. America humbles itself before the black and American Indian lobbies because of its guilt over past wrongs and its resolve to place things on a better footing.

Parades are held each year to celebrate the Italian connection and the Chinese connection. Even the Germans, after two world wars, are celebrated in America with Octoberfests and other festivities.

But for England? Nothing. The silence is deafening. Brits must, it seems, suffer in perpetuity for the sins of their forefathers. Their heritage is denied or disguised. Even the Pilgrim fathers, who landed in Cape Cod in 1620, are recalled not as English, but rather as proto-Americans, as if they had been born again in national as well as Christian conviction.

Hollywood has only confirmed the disdain. There was the attempt in "The Patriot," starring Mel Gibson, to characterize British troops in the Revolutionary War as "butchers"; the pretense in "U-571" that an American submarine, rather than a British boat, found the Enigma machine; the absence of any reference to British arms in the dramas "Saving Private Ryan" and "Band of Brothers." These have caused real hurt.

Even battle brings no relief. The closeness between Franklin Roosevelt and Winston Churchill that ensured victory in the World War II ended for Britain in the humiliation of "lend-lease," whereby London surrendered much of its gold reserves and overseas markets to America in return for armaments with which to continue the struggle, alone. To rub it in, post-1945, the (safely non-Communist) United Kingdom, though bled dry and exhausted, was studiedly excluded from Marshall Plan aid.

Perhaps, though, change is at last in the air. Britain, like America, is in the fight against international terrorism for the long haul. The campaign, for which Blair has provided much of the rhetoric and diplomatic drive, has caused Washington to acknowledge in public that it has no stauncher friend in the world than the United Kingdom — a sentiment that many Brits had not thought to hear expressed in their lifetimes.

Is it really too much to hope that Blair and his countrymen and women might now get a little back? Or must the spirit of 2001 be automatically negated by the spirit of '76?

It's not too late. Let's hear it, one time, for the Brits.


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This one is for the Brits
1 posted on 11/25/2001 9:58:21 AM PST by klee
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To: jjbrouwer; peabers; shaggy eel; Kiwigal
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2 posted on 11/25/2001 9:59:16 AM PST by klee
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To: klee
But who gives a high-five for Britain?

I give the Brits two high-fives! I know of no other country as loyal to the United States as Great Britain.

Reagan and Thatcher had a very strong mutual respect for each other and I was very proud of both of them for that.

What other country has stood elbow-to-elbow eith America better than the Brits? We never have to ask. They just show up!

I'm sure as hell glad to have them as our friends.

3 posted on 11/25/2001 10:16:08 AM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64
Its great to be able to count on old friends.

Dont forget the Aussies. They are spoiling for a good fight! I wish our government were as dedicated as theirs.

Appreciate your comments. Im tired of everyone beating up the Brits and Americans.

4 posted on 11/25/2001 10:27:12 AM PST by klee
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To: klee
Check out what Blair just recently said. "Our future is with the EU" kind of leaves the US out does it not. I for one hope we have as little to do with them as possible. The Brits have cost the US enough blood and money. They are as worthless as the the rest of Europe, Neo-Commies all.
5 posted on 11/25/2001 10:33:28 AM PST by vladog
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To: vladog
Id be interested as to how you figure the Brits have cost you blood.
6 posted on 11/25/2001 10:36:21 AM PST by klee
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To: klee
Well leave out 1776 & 1812. Just start with WWI, a fight between European tribes. Then move on to WWII, which would have never have been if the Brits & French had not insisted of a revenge 'peace' at the end of WWI. Wilson had a 14 point program that would have worked, had not the Brits and French insisted on their pound of flesh.
7 posted on 11/25/2001 10:42:54 AM PST by vladog
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To: vladog
Then move on to WWII, which would have never have been if the Brits & French had not insisted of a revenge 'peace' at the end of WWI

COUGH! SPLUTTER!! Are you not leaving out an important factor in WWII?? And by that I mean Hitler, a class A certified NUTTER who wanted to take over the world?

And Britain didn't make the US join that war, the US joined it when Japan thought it was an excellent opportunity to go bombing people it didn't like - ie. the US.

Christ! NZ is part of the Commonwealth and therefore obligated to help out our mother country. You don't hear me bitching about all the Kiwi boys what died at Gallipoli even though it was on account of a tremendous f**-up by a British commanding officer...

8 posted on 11/25/2001 10:47:21 AM PST by Kiwigal
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To: klee
But for England? Nothing.

Ah, we saved their butts twice. Three times if you count the Cold War.

For the record, I like the British and appreciate Blair's assistance concerning 9/11.

9 posted on 11/25/2001 10:47:30 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: vladog
As I recall, americans originally were ex -pat brits. So your first point is moot.

To say Hitler would never have risen up is incredibly naive.

You have no way of knowing whether Wilsons plan would have worked or not.

Besides from that, the US didnt get involved in WW2 until Pearl harbour. I fail to see how Pearl harbour was the Brits fault as thats what got you involved in the war in the first place.

10 posted on 11/25/2001 10:48:06 AM PST by klee
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Sorry, but you didnt save their Butts.
11 posted on 11/25/2001 10:49:32 AM PST by klee
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To: klee
Oh, we give the Brits plenty of credit. We gave them billions in those 2 world wars we won for them, not to mention the lives of hundred of thousands of American boys. Nations do not have "friends", they have mutual interests.
12 posted on 11/25/2001 10:50:19 AM PST by ozzymandus
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Billions? How so?
13 posted on 11/25/2001 10:51:37 AM PST by klee
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To: Tribune7
Ah, we saved their butts twice. Three times if you count the Cold War.

Have you people no shame?? My cousin, who lives in London, says that whenever an American comes to his local pub, they rant on about "the time we saved your butts in WWII..."

Three words for you...Battle of Britain. Turning point in WWII. Everyone saved everyone else's butts. Don't be so snobby.

14 posted on 11/25/2001 10:53:50 AM PST by Kiwigal
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To: Kiwigal
You miss the point. If the Brits don`t con us into WWI, the Germans win. Or if when we do get in we insist on workable peace things are different. In any event the Brits were fighting for their Empire in WWI and WWII. But they lost it anyway.
15 posted on 11/25/2001 10:56:00 AM PST by vladog
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To: Kiwigal
Lets not forget that it was NZ who had the highest ratio of pilots( bar England herself) defending England in the Battle of Britain. America wasnt even in the picture.
16 posted on 11/25/2001 10:57:02 AM PST by klee
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To: klee
Let me get this straight - the U.S. is supposed to be grateful for being led into multiple global wars like some moronic bar bouncer by the conniving British?
17 posted on 11/25/2001 11:01:30 AM PST by lafayette76
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To: vladog
Sorry vladog, you seem to have missed an important point there. America joined WWI late, and left before it was done. You dont start on the 'we saved Europe' rubbish. You didint even stick around to finsh the job.
18 posted on 11/25/2001 11:01:42 AM PST by klee
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Check out what Blair just recently said. "Our future is with the EU" kind of leaves the US out does it not. I for one hope we have as little to do with them as possible. The Brits have cost the US enough blood and money. They are as worthless as the the rest of Europe, Neo-Commies all.

VLADOG: The UK is - believe it or not - in Europe. So Blair might be wise to keep an eye on what the Euro lot are doing.

I very much doubt his statement meant 'so stuff you, America'.

I also doubt the many English posters on FR would agree with your statement that we are 'neo-commies all'.

You are probably one of those bigoted one-eyed Yanks that has never ventured out of your own street, let alone country.

Your idiotic and inflammatory remarks have earned you the Five Bum Salute.


19 posted on 11/25/2001 11:01:57 AM PST by jjbrouwer
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To: klee
We had an isolationist policy for years. The Brits were fighting the Nazis for two years before we teamed up with them.

The Jerries bombed the sh!t out of London and they didn't moan and complain; they "toughed it out." They're a tough group, and I'm damn proud of them!

A lot of my father's friends served in the UK, mostly P-51 fighter pilots. They flew with their pilots bombing Dresden and Berlin. They love the English.

Their only criticism was that their beer is too warm.

20 posted on 11/25/2001 11:02:25 AM PST by Cobra64
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