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Naughty children to be registered as potential criminals
News Telegraph co.uk ^ | 11/25/01 | David Bamber

Posted on 11/25/2001 5:42:30 PM PST by KeyLargo

Naughty children to be registered as potential criminals

By David Bamber

THE police are to set up a secret database of children as young as three who they fear might grow up to become criminals.

Youngsters who behave badly or commit trivial misdemeanours will be put on the confidential register so that they can be monitored and supervised throughout childhood.

The controversial initiative is to be pioneered in 11 London boroughs from March and then expanded nationally. Any child who is thought to be at risk of committing a crime by the police, schools or social services, will be put on the database.

Children involved in cheekiness, minor vandalism and causing nuisances, will be targeted under the scheme.

Their progress will then be monitored at school and on the streets by special squads of police officers and social workers, even though the children have not committed a crime and will not have been warned that they are being watched.

Ian Blair, the deputy commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, said that the register was needed because of a rise in youngsters turning to violent crime.

The plan grew out of the Damilola Taylor murder investigation on a grim council estate in south London last year. There detectives came across dozens of wild and unruly children who - outside the scope of the present law - were in danger of becoming criminals.

Mr Blair said: "We have identified 11 London boroughs where youth crime is growing most significantly.

"With partners in those boroughs, we intend to create an intelligence nexus which will hold sensitive information about large numbers of children, many of whom have not yet and probably will not drift into criminal activity."

He admitted: "This is pretty revolutionary stuff. There will be lots of worries but as long as it is understood that the purpose of holding this information is to ensure that we should collectively intervene to prevent children from becoming criminal I think that it will be accepted."

He said that schools and social services already had information about young children in danger of becoming criminals but at the moment they did not share this with the police.

He said that the scheme had been inspired by the murder of Damilola, 10, in Southwark. Several youngsters have now been charged with his murder.

Mr Blair said: "With no specific or necessary connection to the individuals charged, the inquiry team found that in some parts of Southwark there was a feeding chain leading to rampant criminality, a mixture of abuse, victimisation and criminality.

"Children who had, Fagin-like, been coerced and taught to steal, children who rose to prominence within their peer group by dint of theft and violence.

"It is not an exaggeration to note that, for some of these children, street gangs provided a safer and more caring environment than their homes or classrooms."

Mr Blair, who has unveiled his plans to the Government's Youth Justice Board, said the inquiry team found evidence of children who had been abused at home and who were subject to bullying and muggings at school and close to home.

He said it had always been thought improper to share information but it was now essential because this could sometimes prevent crimes being committed against children.

He added: "We are aware of examples from within London where caring professionals have been told in confidence by children that they have been victims of quite serious crimes."

The proposal is being examined by Elizabeth France, the Information Commissioner, but the police are confident that it will not breach existing laws. Last night, Liberty, the organisation that campaigns for civil liberties, expressed concern about the plan.

Roger Bingham, the Liberty spokesman, said: "We have a number of concerns about the proposals. For a start, what kind of behaviour will result in being put on this register?

"Who will have access to it, and who will decide whether children go on it or come off it? The aims of the idea might be to reduce crime but there are serious libertarian worries."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biometrics
"Their progress will then be monitored at school and on the streets by special squads of police officers and social workers, even though the children have not committed a crime and will not have been warned that they are being watched."

Sounds like they don't have much crime in the U.K. I guess considering that they have all of this extra manpower to spy on the little tykes.

1 posted on 11/25/2001 5:42:30 PM PST by KeyLargo
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Previously posted
2 posted on 11/25/2001 5:49:02 PM PST by Servant of the Nine
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Sounds like they don't have much crime in the U.K.

Actually--and surprisingly--the crime rate in England and Wales is higher than in the US. Putting someone on the list for "cheekiness" is a little disturbing. Half the Freepers would be on it! :)

3 posted on 11/25/2001 5:51:42 PM PST by codeword
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Sounds like they don't have much crime in the U.K. I guess considering that they have all of this extra manpower to spy on the little tykes.

Aren't they a gun free society riddled with crime?
I remember reading where the Bobbies had to start carrying machine guns.
Rather than make crimminals out of the children, just give the citizens their arms back.
Piece of cake.

4 posted on 11/25/2001 5:55:01 PM PST by concerned about politics
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Their progress will then be monitored at school and on the streets by special squads of police officers and social workers,

I would suggest they keep their children as far away from these loonies as possible.
Might better keep the children hidden, than have them "marked."

5 posted on 11/25/2001 5:58:21 PM PST by concerned about politics
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Children involved in cheekiness . . . will be targeted under the scheme.

Great. Question authority at age 8 and you are marked for life. Coming soon to these United States.

6 posted on 11/25/2001 6:12:02 PM PST by AK2KX
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"cheekiness"
Uh-Oh...I'm really in trouble now!
7 posted on 11/25/2001 6:19:57 PM PST by philman_36
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To: KeyLargo
It takes a village to jail a child.
8 posted on 11/25/2001 6:39:34 PM PST by Cicero
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It's too bad we saved these people from the Nazis. They've become Nazis themselves.
9 posted on 11/25/2001 6:45:02 PM PST by henderson field
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You limeys will receive all the tyranny you will tolerate. So far, it seems that you are willing to give up a great deal of liberty for government supplied chains.
10 posted on 11/25/2001 6:47:31 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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You limeys will receive all the tyranny you will tolerate. So far, it seems that you are willing to give up a great deal of liberty for government supplied chains.
11 posted on 11/25/2001 6:47:33 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants
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Jeez, and I thought Santa Claus was tough....

I am sure we do that same thing here in America. In fact, after the Columbine shooting, teachers and students were asked to be informants.

To me, I think that if you want to know where the criminal mind comes from, take a hard look at the parents. If the parents are doing their job, then by god, the kids will grow up right.

12 posted on 11/25/2001 7:54:48 PM PST by MadRobotArtist
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Gee, it used to be they'd just get a lump of coal!
13 posted on 11/25/2001 7:59:40 PM PST by Stefan Stackhouse
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The English have gone 'round the bend. So much for multiculturism, no guns and socialism.
14 posted on 11/26/2001 9:02:41 AM PST by wingnuts'nbolts
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