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For Taliban, many losses to count
the christian science monitior ^ | November 26 | Scott Peterson

Posted on 11/25/2001 7:31:34 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde

MAIDAN SHAR, AFGHANISTAN - With emotional, red-rimmed eyes and quivering lips under his black Taliban turban, Gholajan Armani is watching the political wind shift against him in Afghanistan

It is the same wind that is blowing harder against accused terrorist Osama bin Laden, as Taliban control crumbles and American Special Forces troops increase operations in the shrinking parts of Afghanistan where Mr. bin Laden can still roam.

Mr. Armani and a handful of long-bearded fellow fighters yesterday gave up their violent resistance to forces of the Northern Alliance in this pocket of Taliban sympathizers 20 miles southwest of the capital, Kabul.

A similar scene of surrender was played out on a larger scale over the weekend in the city of Kunduz. Yesterday, joyous Northern Alliance troops entered the Taliban's last northern citadel

But the apparent disappearance of 2,000 Taliban and Arab and Pakistani militants reported to have been here in Maiden Shar (much like the confusion over force size in Kunduz) is emblematic of how the fog of war still hangs over much of Afghanistan

The Taliban were foreigners," says Armani, his emotional reaction betraying a disbelief in his own words. "If you can find any Arabs or Pakistanis here, you can hang me."

As the Taliban and bin Laden's militants retreat south toward their last stronghold, Kandahar, what they are leaving behind - from vast ammunition stores to do-it-yourself chemical weapons and terrorism manuals - are critical assets.

While there is elation in Washington at the speed of the alliance advance, spurred on by seven weeks of US airstrike, there is also caution. President George W. Bush warned of "difficult times ahead" during his Saturday radio address. But that wasn't the impression left at the surrender of Maiden Shar or Kunduz yesterday. After a tense standoff at Maidan Shar that lasted more than a week, during which one failed ground assault left at least three alliance soldiers dead, the village caved in to Northern Alliance rule.

The Taliban are finished," said Haji Gholam Mohamed, the local commander who denied the presence of any Taliban or foreign fighters. "Now, you can see, we are standing with the alliance soldiers

Alliance soldiers and local Taliban exchanged handshakes and smiles. A friend of the distraught and red-eyed Mr. Armani put his arms over his shoulders to comfort him.

In Kunduz, the "Arab" troops, as bin Laden's non-Afghan militants are known here, initially prevented the surrender of Afghan soldiers

Analysts say this growing split is also undermining overall support for bin Laden, as more and more Afghans see his presence as responsible for their current misery

He is vulnerable as a foreigner among Afghans," says a former US Special Forces officer who requested anonymity. "If bin Laden were Afghan, he would be almost bulletproof. We are slowly, slowly getting better intelligence

And there are other signs on the ground of what the Taliban and bin Laden have lost in the fight. One is at the sprawling military base of Rishkhor, 10 miles south of Kabul, which was hit repeatedly by US bombs. Virtually untouched by the US bombing in an adjoining valley, however, are dozens of reinforced concrete-bunker ammunition depots. Thousands of mortars and heavy artillery of every size, rockets and countless bullets fill the depots, and are now in alliance hands

It's a huge loss; it was the main secured place for the Taliban, where they kept all their ammunition," says alliance commander Ayoub Salangi. "Now they are only trying to keep themselves alive. They don't care about the damage - they just move

Perhaps just as damaging to Al Qaeda is the amount of documentation left in training camps and safe houses, which were hurriedly abandoned when Kabul fell on Nov. 12.

Documents retrieved from the Al Qaeda training headquarters at Khost, a series of camps 95 miles southeast of Kabul, underscore the losses

Stacks of documents there - discovered by a British correspondent for The Observer (London) newspaper, the first known Westerner to have visited the spot for years - reveal a concerted effort to instruct militants in every aspect of terrorism. English language files seen by the Monitor - many apparently from far-right US antigovernment groups - describe everything from making car bombs to converting a shotgun into a grenade launcher

A 41-page file, called "Assorted Nasties," claims to be a recreation of a CIA manual allegedly commissioned in the 1950s and known as the "Devil's Diary," which details how to make bio- and chemical weapons from household items. "This book may seem controversial and dangerous, but such information may someday be the lifeblood of freedom fighters," one manual reads, addressing American right-wingers

Among the piles of documents from Khost are letters from militants to their instructor, apparently an Iraqi Kurd called Abu Said, at Khaldan Camp. This camp is mentioned in confessions gleaned during several US terrorism investigations into the 1998 US Embassy blasts in Kenya and Tanzania, and the USS Cole bombing in Yemen last year

Thank you Abu Said," reads one letter from another Iraqi Kurd sent to Eritrea to train other militants, "for showing us how small people with faith can defeat the big people with equipment and power, who have no faith

We are grateful to God," reads another letter from a Yemen trainee, "to get this training and have this chance for martyrdom."


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This book may seem controversial and dangerous, but such information may someday be the lifeblood of freedom fighters," one manual reads, addressing American right-wingers.

hmmmmmmmmmm now why would the CIA have a manual for right wingers

1 posted on 11/25/2001 7:31:34 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
I think it was an old manual from the '50's that was reprinted and bought by militia groups.Or so that's how the paragraph reads to me.
2 posted on 11/25/2001 7:38:02 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: habs4ever

3 posted on 11/25/2001 7:39:16 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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no i think back then their were more people conserative then now
4 posted on 11/25/2001 7:40:47 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
To libs and the press... CIA IS right wing...

THAT'S why Clinton almost destroyed the CIA...

5 posted on 11/25/2001 7:43:23 PM PST by No!
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To: No!
ping
6 posted on 11/25/2001 7:45:34 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Back then, it was probably for if the Commies tried to take over. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if Tim McVeigh were given a copy.
7 posted on 11/25/2001 7:45:49 PM PST by HaveGunWillTravel
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To: classygreeneyedblonde; *taliban_list
I would think we would have a crew in there before long going thru the material!

To find all articles tagged or indexed using taliban_list

Click here: taliban_list

8 posted on 11/25/2001 7:49:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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why would they b right wing
9 posted on 11/25/2001 7:50:03 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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hmmmmmmmmmm now why would the CIA have a manual for right wingers

We gotta learn somewhere... ;0)

10 posted on 11/25/2001 7:52:21 PM PST by cibco
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Hey, I'm an American right-winger...where's my manual!
11 posted on 11/25/2001 7:55:03 PM PST by keithtoo
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
I wonder what vintage all those munitions are?
12 posted on 11/25/2001 7:56:28 PM PST by habs4ever
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Would James Bond be a liberal?

(Only in ALGORE's dreams)...)

13 posted on 11/25/2001 7:57:41 PM PST by No!
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To: keithtoo
well i think the taliban had them or check with the CIA
14 posted on 11/25/2001 8:04:20 PM PST by classygreeneyedblonde
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
why would they b right wing

As you said; back then more people were conservative. Also, back then - and as now for that matter - most let wingers were/are: socialists at best - communisits at worse. It wouldn't surprise me that they might gear something towards the right as opposed to the left.

Still, I would like to see an original, not a recreation, of a CIA manual stating such. Its difficult to trust the press with just about anything these days.

15 posted on 11/25/2001 8:06:02 PM PST by AFreeBird
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
Yesterday's liberal is today's right-winger.
16 posted on 11/25/2001 8:10:05 PM PST by Tribune7
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Hey, I'm an American right-winger...where's my manual!

I put mine up for sale on eBay.

17 posted on 11/25/2001 8:17:56 PM PST by BunnySlippers
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"The Taliban are finished," said Haji Gholam Mohamed, ["I see the man wearing a black turban, I kill him. So run you curs.
Tell all the other curs we're coming. You tell 'em we're coming and hells coming with us! HELL'S COMING WITH US!]
Special narrative thanks to Wyatt Earp in Tombstone.
18 posted on 11/25/2001 8:19:23 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
It seems a little strange to me that some idiot from the media is the first one on the scene going through the cache.
19 posted on 11/25/2001 8:38:18 PM PST by paul51
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To: classygreeneyedblonde
The losses will be going on for a long time, Osama bin Laden and his fellow fanatics will be suffering losses until they no longer exist. As the rest of the terrorist harboring nations around the world sees the pounding the Taliban has endured, they will be (in president Bush's words) "Coughing the terrorist up" to avoid the punishment we delivered to the Taliban.

What President Bush has done is made the world realize we are not playing games here nor is the President playing politics with our safety by making half hearted attempts at ending the threat of terrorism. This is exactly what leaders are made of, and something the last inhabitant of the White House never possessed. The ability to lead is not found in Gallop Poll’s, leadership is woven in the fabric of your upbringing and is unveiled when leadership is called upon.

You can vote or place someone in a leadership position but that does not mean that person will be a leader. Leadership is defined in a time of crisis, and George W. Bush, in this time of crisis, has shown the entire world he is a leader.

God Bless George W. Bush

20 posted on 11/25/2001 8:45:26 PM PST by MJY1288
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