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Heavily Fortified 'Ant Farms' Deter bin Laden's Pursuers
The New York Times ^ | 11/26/2001 | MICHAEL WINES

Posted on 11/25/2001 9:05:24 PM PST by Pokey78

MOSCOW, Nov. 25 — The Qaeda military base called Zhawar Kili Al- Badr also has a nickname: Wolf's Hole.

Zhawar worms its way deep inside the walls of a gorge in the Sodyaki Ghar mountains of eastern Afghanistan, a half-mile lattice of caves and connecting tunnels barely 4,000 yards from the Pakistan border. The Soviet Army took it in 1986 during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, but only after 57 days of aerial bombardment and hand-to-hand combat.

"It was seized, blown up. Everything was blown up," Maj. Gen. Aleksandr Lyakhovsky, an Afghanistan veteran now retired from Russian military service, said in a recent interview. "And then the forces left. And in about six months or a year, they restored the base."

It is in a place like Zhawar, a mountain base called Tora Bora also near the Pakistan border, that the Afghan rumor mill now says Osama bin Laden is hiding with some 1,200 Taliban troops.

But Mr. bin Laden has a lot of options. Afghanistan is a virtual ant farm of thousands of caves, countless miles of tunnels, deeply dug-in bases and heavily fortified bunkers. They are the product of a confluence of ancient history, climate, geology, Mr. bin Laden's own engineering background — and, 15 years back, a hefty dose of American money from the Central Intelligence Agency.

Moreover, Al Qaeda is merely the most visible example of what the Pentagon calls a clear trend among terrorists and rogue states to take their most secret and dangerous operations to earth, removed from missiles and prying satellites.

"A lot of countries have done a lot of digging underground," Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said in a news briefing on Oct. 11. "It is perfectly possible to dig into the side of a mountain and put a large ballistic missile in there and erect it and fire it out of the mountain from an underground post."

Indeed, Pentagon documents for 2002 state that the military is already testing tunnel-destroying weapons at American proving grounds in the West, aimed specifically at "proliferant nations or terrorists with access to advanced conventional weapons or weapons of mass destruction."

With the United States' advanced detection devices and high-technology munitions, the network of Afghan caves and tunnels is neither as befuddling nor as impregnable as it was to the Soviets. The Pentagon says American warplanes have been bombing carefully selected caves and tunnels for weeks now, directing 500-pound bombs at their mouths to block the entrances and larger munitions to hit suspected weapons dumps and other strategic sites.

Mr. Rumsfeld said last month that some strikes had produced "enormous secondary explosions," sometimes continuing for hours after American jets first attacked.

But the system remains devilishly complex and easy to hide within. As even the Pentagon admits, the most heavily fortified parts, where Mr. bin Laden may be concealed, could well be invulnerable to the most powerful conventional bombs known.

Were Mr. bin Laden not a particular sort, he would have a bewildering maze of hiding places from which to choose. Afghanistan's mountains are pocked with thousands of natural caves. The mountains and plains alike are also latticed with karezi, an ancient system of irrigation tunnels, some dipping as much as 100 feet below the surface.

The karezi were designed to collect water seeping from beneath stream beds and aquifers, but for centuries — at least since the days of Atilla the Hun, and some say since the invasion of Alexander the Great — Afghans have used them to hide from enemies and to conceal troops for rear-guard ambushes after an invading army has passed.

Russian experts say many have back entrances and ventilation shafts through which Taliban forces might escape. The Soviet army extensively mapped the karezi during the 1980's war, using aerial photography and the help of local villagers, and the Russian defense ministry is said to have passed the maps on to the United States.

If Taliban forces are likely to use karezi for guerrilla warfare, Mr. bin Laden seems unlikely to seek refuge in tunnels rife, by many accounts, with scorpions and cobras. Nor can natural caves offer refuge for long.

That leaves two options: bases like Wolf's Hole (there are said to be a dozen or more), or heavily fortified mountain bunkers built to withstand everything short a nuclear attack.

One expert says Mr. bin Laden has built at least two such facilities, near Jalalabad and Kandahar, "and there could be more."

"They're multi-level, dogleg tunnels. They have air vents and escape hatches out the back," said John F. Shroder Jr., a geologist and geographer at the Universitry of Nebraska at Omaha who prepared the national atlas of Afghanistan in 1970. Mr. Shroder said he was in the region in the 1980's and is familiar with many of its karezi and caves.

Some military experts think such fortresses can be taken only by ground assaults — and that even then, anyone hiding in them may manage to escape through a hidden exit. "You might live to fight another day and leave a lot of dead people behind you," Mr. Shroder said.

Bases like Zhawar and Tora Bora lack the steel doors and other security amenities of bunkers, but they are formidable in their own right. Many were built in the 1980's, when millions of dollars of American aid flowed to Afghan rebel forces fighting the Soviet invasion, and have since been taken over by Al Qaeda.

Tora Bora, where Mr. bin Laden is suspected of hiding, began life as a C.I.A.-financed base for Afghan rebels. Mr. bin Laden took up residence there when he was forced to leave Sudan in the late 1990's.

Zhawar, the biggest of them all, was pummeled by dozens of cruise missiles in 1998 after terrorists linked to Mr. bin Laden killed hundreds of people in bombings of American embassies in Africa. But it was originally built in the mid-1980's as a depot and military base for American-financed supplies streaming to rebels across the Pakistan border two miles away. The rebel who supervised its construction, Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani, is now head of the Taliban's armed forces.

Forty-one caves in all, it had everything then: a bakery, a hotel with overstuffed furniture, a hospital with an ultrasound machine, a library, a mosque, weapons of every imaginable stripe; a service bay with a World War II-era Soviet tank inside, in perfect running order.

"The caves were up to 10 meters long, four meters wide and three meters tall," Viktor Kutsenko, who led the Soviet sappers whose job it was to destroy the base, wrote later. "The walls were faced with brick. The cave entrances were covered with powerful iron doors, which were painted in bright colors. How many of our aircraft had worked this site over and the hotel and caves were still intact."

The rebels, learning from the assault, dug 600 yards of connecting tunnels so that a blocked entrance in one cave would not trap its occupants. Mr. bin Laden is reported to have upgraded both it and a nearby camp in the 1990's.

In recent years, it is said to have been used not just by Al Qaeda but also by Egyptian Islamic Jihad and other foreign terrorist organizations.

To the Pentagon, what troubles most about the tunnels may not be how to find terrorists there, but the implications of their use worldwide.

Worried by North Korean and Iraqi efforts to hide their programs to develop weapons of mass destruction, the military has been studying since the late 1990's how to build bombs that can collapse tunnels and penetrate mountainside fortresses.

A 1997 Pentagon report said that weapons used in the Persian Gulf War were of limited use against tunnels built with modern equipment. It said that some tunnels were "nearly invulnerable to direct attack by conventional means," even with earth- penetrating "bunker-busters" like those now used in Afghanistan. And it warned of "a clear worldwide trend in tunneling to protect facilities."

Since 1998, government documents state, the Pentagon and other agencies have tested bombs and explosives at the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico against blast- hardened structures above and below ground in a program aimed specifically at terrorist tunnels and other hardened targets.

Among the techniques being tested are "thermobaric" bombs that detonate a mixture of fuel and air to cause a huge shock wave. Such bombs already have devastated Taliban positions in Afghanistan, but early this year, senior Pentagon commanders gave the go-ahead to test a thermobaric weapon customized for attacking tunnels.

The goal was a modified version of a bomb like the GBU-28, a 4,700- pound laser-guided "bunker buster," or the AGM-130, a guided missile with a 2,000-pound warhead, both of which are being used in Afghanistan. Such a weapon could be fired into a tunnel precisely, but would explode with much greater force than current bombs.

At the end of the crash project, in 2004, the military expected to have as many as 20 weapons left over from the tests.

If Mr. bin Laden is still holed up then, they should be ready to use.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: afghanistan; irrigation; karezi; osamadeathpool; talibanlist; tunnels
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1 posted on 11/25/2001 9:05:24 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Sabertooth
Ping this one along on your ping list, please?
2 posted on 11/25/2001 9:08:02 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
I have a sneaking suspicion that this ultra bunkerbuster will be seeing action much much sooner. Like next week. The same thing happened during Desert Storm where the GBU-28 was developed within a matter of a few weeks.
3 posted on 11/25/2001 9:16:46 PM PST by appeal2
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To: Pokey78; Victoria Delsoul; harpseal; Travis McGee; Spirit Of Truth; Manny Festo...
You got it, Pokey.

Thanks for all the good work you do here.

Osama Paki-pool Update:

Osama bin DEAD-pool Update:

All right, here's the up-to-date list for the Osama bin DEAD-pool. Still plenty of open dates, so flag me on this thread if you want in. As you've noticed, since he doesn't look like he'll make it to Pakistan, I went ahead and changed the name of the pool. Sue me.


November 16: First day of Ramadan!
November 17: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub - Nope.
November 18: OPEN
November 19: OPEN
November 20: OPEN
November 21: OPEN
November 22: Azzurri -- Thanksgiving - Nope.
November 23: Sabertooth - Nope.
November 24: Jefferson Adams - Nope.
November 25: Victoria Delsoul - Nope. And band-aids on her fingers to prove it.
November 26: airborne - Tick… tick… tick.
November 27: harpseal - On the bubble.
November 28: snippy_about_it
November 29: Tunehead54
November 30: Travis McGee

December   1: alancarp
December   2: onyx
December   3: AfghanAirShow
December   4: Straight Vermonter
December   5: Pokey78
December   6: proudofthesouth
December   7: null and void -- Pearl Harbor Day
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December   9: justlurking
December 10: glock rocks
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December 13: FreedomFarmer
December 14: irish guard
December 15: hattend

Not sure when Ramadan ends, but around here somewhere.

December 16: nunya bidness
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December 18: anniegetyourgun
December 19: Collier
December 20: mdittmar
December 21: Nick Danger
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December 29: Alabama_Wild_Man
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And here are a couple of Freepers who think that they know something that the rest of us don't…

April 29: dennisw

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If you're not sure what the whole "Paki-pool" idea was about, check out this link from a thread posted by Travis McGee on October 25th...

Will Osama Appear In Pakistan?

The operating theory is was that Osama bin Laden had a plan all along to show up in Pakistan, have himself declared the "Imam al-Mahdi" (a long-prophesied Islamic savior-figure), and start a civil war in an attempt to gain control of Pakistan's nukes.

Sound crazy?

So is he. Crazy evil.

It's still an interesting read.


4 posted on 11/25/2001 9:20:52 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Pokey78
Well, good a place as any to test the new bombs. Hope they work.
5 posted on 11/25/2001 9:20:54 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Pokey78
"Da caves, da caves" once again the vaunted and impenetrable caves of Afghanistan and Bin Ladin. Phoeey. And of course it't the NY defeatist Times reporting on them.

How well will we have to do in Afghanistan before the NY Times will give America a break or compliment? Even if we bring peace, prosperity, end "starvation" and "poverty and a cure to cancer and ice cream to everyone on the planet and they would still be writing and spreading the same old negativity about the US.

"How long oh Lord, How long?

6 posted on 11/25/2001 9:22:23 PM PST by garyhope
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To: Pokey78
The NYT says we can't do it?? darn, lets just give up.
7 posted on 11/25/2001 9:22:45 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Pokey78; Sabertooth; Squantos; harpseal; SLB; blam; Poohbah
It sounds like we need "smart bunker busters" that can fly right in the tunnel openings before detonating far inside.
8 posted on 11/25/2001 9:22:51 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Pokey78
built to withstand everything short a nuclear attack.

well.......

9 posted on 11/25/2001 9:23:59 PM PST by is_is
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To: Sabertooth
if the pool is free, give me by b-day Feb 7... although we'll probably be hunting Saddam by then... I think Laden won't make it to Christmas.
10 posted on 11/25/2001 9:25:02 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Sabertooth
I think he will hide in a very obscure and minor cave with only 5-10 of his most trusted and fanatical bodyguards, and then slip into Pakistan at the opportune time to appear at his favorite madrassa school as the Mahdi, (who miraculously escaped from the infidels' bomber).
11 posted on 11/25/2001 9:26:04 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: GeronL
Done!

February 7th belongs to GeronL.


12 posted on 11/25/2001 9:26:45 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
put me down for 01/11/02
13 posted on 11/25/2001 9:27:34 PM PST by is_is
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To: Travis McGee
ever seen those R/C planes with an onboard explosive? Real-time telemetry back to a laptop... fly into the cave and see the enemy... kaboom. The tiny planes have a range of about 6 miles.... probably still in testing... good time and place for a test.
14 posted on 11/25/2001 9:27:45 PM PST by GeronL
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To: Pokey78
do like vietnam and pump in tons of acetylene, drop a match, duck!
15 posted on 11/25/2001 9:30:43 PM PST by rockfish59
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To: is_is
Done!

January 11th belongs to is_is.


16 posted on 11/25/2001 9:31:50 PM PST by Sabertooth
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To: GeronL; Squantos
I saw a TV special (Nova?) on UAVs, which ranged down to the size of a thin paperback book with a video link to send images back to an infantry officer over the hill from his enemy. It's hand launched, with a tiny propeller. It was only a working prototype, at the time of the documentary a year or so ago.

Of course, it will be a problem directing it inside a cave.

OTOH, tiny crawling robots sending video back along a trailing fiberoptic thread should be easy to gin up, basing them on EOD robots in use already.

17 posted on 11/25/2001 9:33:31 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: appeal2
"The same thing happened during Desert Storm where the GBU-28 was developed within a matter of a few weeks."

Thirteen days.

18 posted on 11/25/2001 9:34:48 PM PST by blam
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To: Sabertooth
I'd like to take April 14, 2002. I figure we have to get him before we pay income taxes.
19 posted on 11/25/2001 9:38:31 PM PST by Faraday
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To: Travis McGee
It was on TLC and it mentioned the exploding variety too, about the force of a hand grenade or something.
20 posted on 11/25/2001 9:40:23 PM PST by GeronL
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