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The Unavoidable Question: How Should We Now Consider Islam?
National Review Online ^ | 11/28/01 | NR editors

Posted on 11/28/2001 12:36:56 PM PST by denydenydeny

The West is not at war with Islam. President Bush has said as much, by now, a dozen times. He is surely right to do so. Most of the Muslims of Indonesia, or of Detroit, pose no threat to Americans. Their mass conversion to Christianity is not one of our war aims. But Bush, joined by untold numbers of politicians, clerics, and journalists, has said more than this. Islam is said to be "a religion of peace," at least at its core. The vast majority of Muslims around the world, we are told, have little in common with Osama bin Laden and his band of killers.

Perhaps these claims are true. But it is at least imaginable that they are not — that a sizable proportion of the world's Muslims, if not willing to take up arms against us, cheer on those who do. Moreover, the people who are making these claims have generally made no deep study of the Islamic world. Bush says what he says mainly for reasons of state (and again, he is quite right to do so). Others seem to harbor a misguided fear that Americans would lash out at innocent Muslims if not reassured that Islam is incidental to the attacks on us.

But formulaic cant does not reassure. It is a naïveté typical of American liberals to assume that everyone is just like us under the skin — wanting the same things we want as soon as satellite TV becomes available. It is a tempting and even, in its generosity of spirit, admirable conceit; but it is not true. As the rejoicing in Afghanistan has made clear, the human spirit subjected to Islamist totalitarianism rebels against it. That doesn't mean that the Taliban's doctrines do not appeal to Muslims who know them only in theory, or that Afghans would establish a parliament left to their own devices.

Nor should we consider Islam an abstraction unconnected with the actual beliefs and practices of those who claim to believe it. Whether Islam, rightly understood, countenances violence against innocents who do not follow it is an important question; but for practical purposes, it is less important than whether Islam does so as understood, rightly or wrongly, by millions of people who consider themselves its adherents. In the days when Christians killed Jews, it would not have done the victims much good to be told that their killers were acting as bad Christians.

It may be urged that we not apply contemporary Christian standards since Christians had a six-century head start over Muslims, and gave up religious wars only 350 years ago. Islam has not — yet? — had the chastening experience of a Reformation, Counter Reformation, and Enlightenment to temper its temporal ambitions. For that matter, it was not until the 1980s that most countries with Catholic majorities became democratic. Perhaps there are historical accidents that caused the Middle East, the home of the Muslim imagination, to develop in such a stunted way. The region is home to secular tyrannies — Iraq, Syria — no less repressive than Islamism (although even these regimes exploit Muslims' religious sentiments).

Perhaps it is not impossible that Islam, as practiced by societies, will evolve in the direction of peace and freedom. But Americans can be forgiven for not taking the long view at the moment. Most religions have been able to inspire nobility and cruelty, glory as well as madness, and Islam is no exception. But that does not preclude the possibility that something in Islam lends itself, more than other religions, to exterminationist and totalitarian politics. The Islamists who have interpreted their religion in that manner are our enemies. They are not the entire Muslim world, but they are not a tiny and isolated minority of it either.

Since they claim to speak for all Muslims, it is up to those Muslims who reject the Islamists' views — including, yes, Muslim immigrants to America — to repudiate them in word and deed. And it is up to the rest of us to demand that they do so. This would not be an unprecedented demand: Especially in recent years, both Christian churches and the secular culture have held Christians accountable for the enormities committed in the name of their religion.

The extent to which Islam has contributed to this war — as also to the poverty, illiberalism, and general backwardness of the Muslim world — is an open question. It is a question that Americans will necessarily debate, under the circumstances, and it was arrogant folly of American political elites to believe that incantations and intimidation could stop them from debating. They would be wiser to make constructive contributions, so that the debate is as humane and intelligent as possible.


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1 posted on 11/28/2001 12:36:56 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: denydenydeny
"How Should We Now Consider Islam?"

With much disdain. At the very least, Islam is a religion of misogyny.

Fundamental Hatred of Women
Treatment of Women in Islam

2 posted on 11/28/2001 12:49:32 PM PST by A Navy Vet
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To: denydenydeny; Sabertooth
Bump
3 posted on 11/28/2001 12:52:28 PM PST by harpseal
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To: denydenydeny
"How should we consider Islam?"

In its fundmental form, at least, as a social disease--a psychosocial disease affecting the psychologically vulnerable and character impaired.

4 posted on 11/28/2001 12:55:26 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: denydenydeny
If Islam means Islamism, it needs to be either reformed, or destroyed.
5 posted on 11/28/2001 12:57:34 PM PST by onedoug
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To: denydenydeny
Somehow we got the right message to the people (not the government) of Iran. What message did they get? How did they get it? What do they believe about America that makes them side with us on issues?

Any time State and Religion are married, it doesn't work. If the world Council of Churches made laws in the US and we couldn't vote them out, they'd be just as bad. Maybe worse. Think about it.

6 posted on 11/28/2001 12:59:59 PM PST by GOPJ
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To: *Clash of Civilizatio
Bump to Clash of Civilizations list.
7 posted on 11/28/2001 1:02:12 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: denydenydeny
And furthermore Islam is imperialistic.
8 posted on 11/28/2001 1:09:43 PM PST by Savage Beast
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To: denydenydeny
Consider Islam the enemy of the West, as it has been for, what now?, fifteen centuries? The Kid.
9 posted on 11/28/2001 1:14:17 PM PST by warchild9
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To: denydenydeny
How should we now consider Islam?

Prior to 9/11, I didn't consider Islam hardly at all.

On 9/11, I did not start to hate Muslims. Instead, my hatred was aimed at the cadre of terrorist scum directly responsible.

By 9/12, I was stunned and angered by scenes of Islamic mobs celebrating the attacks.

Since then I have been irritated by the absence of condemnation of the attacks by Muslim leaders, and chagrined by their whining claims of victimhood. I have been frustrated by the thick-headed thinking of Muslim regimes around the world, and the world wide reach of Islamic terrorist values. I have also been wisened by more knowledge of the actual beliefs of Islam and what it stands for.

So how should we now consider Islam? I consider it a dangerous cult which is responsible for much hatred and suffering around the world. It has the capacity to ignite a cataclysmic war in our lifetime, an eventuality we should prepare for.

10 posted on 11/28/2001 1:15:18 PM PST by San Jacinto
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To: A Navy Vet
As a heathan moon god worshiping primitive religion,that thinks murder is a sacrament
11 posted on 11/28/2001 1:20:26 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: A Navy Vet
Hi,Navy Vet; Concur with your judgement of "with disdain", but that's only the start! I took care of a lot of muslim dependents in the Navy, and was very unfavorably impressed at the time. They ain't nice people, and if they feel they have the power to do so, will try to take over and be very nasty indeed! None of my experiences since have mellowed that judgement. They're not suited for civilized association yet, and I'm not sure they ever will be! Until they are, we must deal from a position of power only. Doc
12 posted on 11/28/2001 1:21:18 PM PST by Jane G
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To: Heuristic Hiker
Ping
13 posted on 11/28/2001 1:22:51 PM PST by Utah Girl
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To: San Jacinto
So how should we now consider Islam? I consider it a dangerous cult which is responsible for much hatred and suffering around the world.

What do you think of all the nerds that came out of the woodwork, right here on FR, to defend Islam? I think the usual suspects are well known.

14 posted on 11/28/2001 1:26:13 PM PST by Mark17
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To: A Navy Vet
I also note that the muslim Moros of the Philipines were the reason the U.S. Army originally discarded the .38 pistol and switched to the .45 ACP. If we are properly observant of our history, I should think this a very instructive point! Doc
15 posted on 11/28/2001 1:29:25 PM PST by Jane G
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To: denydenydeny
As an abomination.

Main Entry: abom·i·na·ble Pronunciation: &-'bäm-n&-b&l, -'bä-m&- Function: adjective Date: 14th century 1 : worthy of or causing disgust or hatred : DETESTABLE 2 : quite disagreeable or unpleasant - abom·i·na·bly /-blE/ adverb

16 posted on 11/28/2001 1:29:45 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: San Jacinto
Well stated SJ. I have to believe most Americans would stand and applaud your observation because it mirrors exactly how they think (like I did)...
17 posted on 11/28/2001 1:29:48 PM PST by Go Gordon
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To: denydenydeny
A harmless little fuzzball religion?
18 posted on 11/28/2001 1:33:06 PM PST by Godfollow
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To: Impeach the Boy
Ping.......
19 posted on 11/28/2001 1:36:34 PM PST by MistyCA
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To: denydenydeny
I think Franklin Graham answered the question, he just didn't go far enough.

Islam is and always has been an evil, racist and murdering religion. Evil first of all because it leads people away from the truth and true salvation from the Lord Jesus.

20 posted on 11/28/2001 1:46:36 PM PST by Smittie
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