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Justice Dept. and Senate Clash Over Bush Actions
New York Times ^ | 11/29/01 | NEIL A. LEWIS

Posted on 11/29/2001 12:35:25 AM PST by kattracks

WASHINGTON, Nov. 28 — The growing debate over the Bush administration's antiterrorism initiatives broke onto the public stage today during a Senate hearing where a senior Justice Department official was forced to deal with questions about the planned use of military tribunals and the arrest and interrogation of hundreds of mostly Middle Eastern men.

Senator Patrick J. Leahy, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said the Bush administration was failing to "respect the checks and balances that make up our constitutional framework."

In responding, Michael Chertoff, the assistant attorney general in charge of the criminal division, told the Senate Judiciary Committee: "Are we being aggressive and hard- nosed? You bet we are. In the aftermath of Sept. 11, how could we not be?"

Mr. Chertoff, a major architect of the antiterrorism program, spoke in gentle tones, but the atmosphere in the Senate hearing room was filled with the political strains and philosophical debates of the last few weeks.

He said the president's actions, including the questioning of thousands of men from Middle Eastern countries, the detention of more than 600 people on immigration and criminal charges, and the monitoring of conversations between lawyers and some defendants, were all intended to prevent future terrorist acts.

"We are pursuing that priority aggressively and systematically with a national and international investigation of unprecedented scope," he said. "But we are carefully doing so within established constitutional and legal limits."

Senator Leahy of Vermont was one of several committee members, mostly Democrats, who sharply criticized the administration's approach. He noted that Congress quickly enacted an antiterrorism bill last month with the cooperation of the administration.

"In the wake of that achievement, the administration has departed from that example to launch a lengthening list of unilateral actions," Mr. Leahy said, referring to the batch of executive branch orders putting new initiatives in place.

Senator Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania was the only Republican to voice displeasure with the administration; he complained that Congress was not consulted about the plans for military tribunals.

"It was surprising to me that the attorney general did not consult with any member of the committee," Mr. Specter said. When Mr. Chertoff began his response by saying that the president and attorney general regard Congress as a "full partner" in the fight against terrorism, Mr. Specter interjected, "How can you talk about full partnership when nobody let us know this executive order was coming down?"

In his testimony, Mr. Chertoff introduced a new explanation for the department's detention of about 600 men, on criminal and immigration charges. He said it was designed, in part, to catch and disable what he called "sleeper" agents Osama bin Laden might have sent to the United States.

"A sleeper is a committed terrorist sent sometimes years in advance into a possible target location, where he may assume a new identity and live an outwardly normal life, all the while waiting to launch a terrorist attack," he said.

Mr. Chertoff said Mr. bin Laden's Al Qaeda organization is known to use sleeper agents. He cited the case of Mohammed Odeh, who was convicted this year for his role in the bombing of the United States Embassy in Nairobi. He said Mr. Odeh lived undercover in Kenya for nearly five years before he was activated.

"Now, how are we going to combat the terrorists' use of sleepers?" Mr. Chertoff said. "We could continue as before and hope for the best, or we can do what we are currently doing — pursuing a comprehensive and systematic investigative approach that uses every available lawful technique to identify, disrupt and if possible, incarcerate or deport persons who pose threats to our national security."

The Justice Department this week disclosed for the first time the names of 93 people held under federal criminal charges, but Mr. Ashcroft said he would not release the names of 548 people arrested on charges of violating immigration regulations.

Mr. Ashcroft told reporters that he could not do so because the law properly prevents the department from creating a public black list of detainees that would violate their rights.

But under questioning today from Senator Russell D. Feingold, Democrat of Wisconsin, Mr. Chertoff acknowledged that there was no specific law blocking the release of the names. Still, he said he believed there was a legitimate concern about violating the privacy of those arrested.

Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, the committee's ranking Republican, defended Mr. Chertoff and Mr. Ashcroft and said that for all the complaints in Congress and among some civil liberties groups, most Americans support the administration's antiterrorism approach.

"Indeed, most Americans worry that we are not doing enough to thwart potential terrorist attacks, not that we are doing too much," Mr. Hatch said.

Mr. Chertoff also defended the executive order that allows the president to have a suspected terrorist tried before a military tribunal that could convict on a two-thirds majority vote of the officer board, impose the death penalty and conduct its proceedings in secret.

He described this as necessary to protect the public.

Senator Mitch McConnell, Republican of Kentucky, said that if terrorists were brought back to the United States, "we'd have the potential for a repeat of the O. J. Simpson trial, complete with grandstanding by defense lawyers."





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1 posted on 11/29/2001 12:35:25 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Whine, whine, whine. If the RATS are unhappy, I'm VERY happy! I live to make RATS unhappy!
2 posted on 11/29/2001 1:11:08 AM PST by teletech
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To: kattracks
If anything, Sen. Leahy's Kangaroo hearings yesterday was a glaring testament to how utterly beholden he and his party are to the rancid sewer rats befouling the legal profession, namely, the trial lawyers association. This group 'just happens' to be one of the party's most lucrative sources for campaign contributions.

In fact, the Democrat party today is but a wholly-owned subsidiary of these vultures.

Polls show Americans, by overwhelming margins, support the notion of Military tribunals to try 'suspected' terrorists. Wisely, the public properly sees these tribunals as the only suitable venue for meting out justice in cases of foreign combatants seized in the on-going War on Terrorism.

The attack on the World Trade Center and Pentagon were unquestionably acts of war -- not ordinary crimes. Acts of war demand military tribunals both to punish the perpetrators and to guard vital national secrets.

Osama Bin Laden, the mastermind behind the atrocities of September 11, is a war criminal who merits none of the safeguards and constitutional protections of an ordinary criminal trial.

Americans instinctly understand this principle, thank you very much.

Hence, as much as the media might strain to fan 'controversy' in the beltway, the President's Executive Order authorizing military justice for terrorists enjoys the sweeping endorsement of the heartland.

Accordingly, Osama Bin Leahy and his Taliban ilk of holy Warriors can not -- and do not -- speak for ordinary Americans on this issue.

Of course, "Supreme Leader" Leahy's one and only agenda is clearly to bash the President in the hopes of splintering his political coalition at home. Mr. Leahy's petty obsession with hating Bush is not only shallow and myopic, it is inimical to the national interest itself.

These hearings essentially open up another battlefront, albeit political, yet one our enemies abroad will use in their propaganda war to weaken commitment and undermine international resolve. Bottom line: Leahy's media extravaganza in the Senate yesterday only gave aid and comfort to the enemy.

Worst of all, Leahy darn well knew it.

Make no mistake: Our enemies closely monitor these and other open proceedings. Inexorably, Leahy's partisan antics offer Mullah Omar and Bin Laden their first glimmer of hope. Leahy's message? "Keep your chin up, boys -- that smirking chimp's solid wall of support is now about to crumble -- I'll see to it!".

Unfortunately for this pathetic wretch from Vermont, his silly Jihad will, like the Taliban, fall flat on its face -- swept away, lickety-split. The public obviously is in no mood for goofy frolic and romp. They, unlike the fatuous fools on Capitol Hill, know war is serious business, and no time for petty rivalry and partisan sport.

The fallout from Leahy's whimsical 'dirty bomb' gambit will backfire, big time. Those yet to fathom the seismic shift the dramatic events these past three months have had on the political landscape will have their heads handed back to them on a platter.

Don't ever underestimate the Democrats' inexhaustible penchant for high dudgeon suicide missions, however. They'll be more -- plenty more -- from these tone-deafs who never let anything ever get in the way of proving what kamikaze nutballs can do. I guarantee you that much.

Memo to Leahy: El hombre de Tejas has the upperhand, and, guess what? It's going to stay that way, pal, whether you like it or not. Forget about tilting the scales in your favor, that feisty Texan you love to hate is one battle-hardened hombre.

Now put *that* in your pipe and smoke it.


3 posted on 11/29/2001 1:33:43 AM PST by JohnHuang2
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To: kattracks
Here's a couple of guys whose "rights" we're violating - I say boo hoo - keep'em locked up til we're finished investigating then deport them or jail them.

Concern over targeted questioning

It did not look good for Muhammed Bin Hasher Alghamdi.

Two days after airplanes crashed into the World Trade Center, FBI agents questioned Alghamdi in his Pompano Beach apartment and found passports bearing different names, flight manuals and a calendar with Sept. 11 circled. "They have a lot of stuff that someone could think maybe, maybe he's connected," said his North Miami Beach attorney, Rhonda F. Gelfman. "He's absolutely innocent."

snip ...

Alghamdi, now in federal custody in Miami, had the same last name as one of the terrorists who helped hijack United Airlines Flight 175 and crash it into the south tower of the World Trade Center. The FBI agents knocked on Alghamdi's apartment door at 7 p.m. Sept. 13.

"They started asking questions: 'Where are you a citizen from? Is it true you're taking flying lessons? How long have you lived at this address?' " Gelfman said.

The agents asked if they could search his apartment. They found steroids, which, his attorney said, did not belong to him. They found identification bearing different names and learned he had overstayed his visa. And agents found a calendar with Sept. 11 circled. The date was circled, though, because he and his girlfriend contend that was the day Alghamdi was supposed to move to another apartment.

In a case with a St. Petersburg tie, Nabil Sarama, a Palestinian, was arrested in Orlando on Sept. 16 after police found him near a pay phone used to make bomb threats. He lived in St. Petersburg until July.

A search of Sarama's suitcase turned up a kit capable of making as many as 12 box cutters -- similar to those used by the Sept. 11 hijackers -- and six identification cards or driver's licenses from Florida, Georgia and California. Sarama faces charges of visa and passport fraud. Finally, Egyptian Sherif Khamis was in the United States illegally on Sept. 11 when a border patrol agent pulled him off a Greyhound bus in Jacksonville for a routine round of questioning about his travel documents before he continued his trip to New York. Khamis made a big mistake. He lied to the border patrol agent and said he did not have his Egyptian passport when it was in his pocket all along, authorities said.

Two hours later, the airliners slammed into the World Trade Center towers. Khamis pleaded guilty and faces five years in federal prison for providing false information to a federal agent. "While he was sitting over in the border patrol office, that's when the first plane hit the tower," said Maurice Grant, his federal public defender in Jacksonville. "As far as I can see, he's just caught up in that event."

4 posted on 11/29/2001 5:11:39 AM PST by Tunehead54
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To: kattracks
Osama has control of the liberals in the senate...
5 posted on 11/29/2001 5:21:26 AM PST by mbb bill
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To: mbb bill
I hardly think that is the case.

The only folks that spoke up about the Patriot Anti-Terrorism Bill were from the Right; the left has been completely revealed as a fraud when it comes to the protection of civil rights. Since the press will never admit that it is Conservatives that are most concerned about an over-reaching federal government, the Democrats created this charade, supported by the press, to show there concern for civil liberties.

6 posted on 11/29/2001 5:28:44 AM PST by JohnGalt
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To: kattracks; OLDWORD
Nowhere in this long article does the New York Times mention that there is a unanimous Supreme Court decision that deals with this very issue.

Ex Parte Quirin, 1942, upheld the military trial of eight Germen sabateurs who reached the coast of New Jersey in civilian clothes, from a submarine. They had money, maps, and directions on how to assemble bombs to destroy various strategic American facilities. All eight were convicted. Two who turned states evidence were spred the death sentence. The others were executed.

The case is important not only because it upheld the Order of President Roosevelt for military trials (an Order broader than the one just signed by President Bush), but because of WHY the Order was upheld.

The Court pointed out that Congress has ALREADY APPROVED such an Order by a President in wartime. It passed the statute in 1806 to allow President Jefferson to use such trials in the War against the Barbary Pirates. The same law was also used by President Lincoln during the Civil War.

As Chairman of Senate Judiciary, Leahy would have to be dumb as a bag of hammers not to know that there was a unanimous Supreme Court decision against his position. He would have to be dumb as a hoe handle not to have read that decision, and to know that there was a law from Congress approving such military trials, already on the books and never repealed.

The alternative to Leahy being dumb as a box of rocks, is that he DID know about this Court decision and thie law on the books, and is merely lying through his New England teeth. But, the Times spared its readers from knowing about this decision and this law.

Patrick Leahy is soft on history, soft in the head, and soft on terrorism.

The Times is soft on facts, soft on journalism, and soft on the truth.

Did I miss anything?

Congressman Billybob

7 posted on 11/29/2001 5:32:57 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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To: kattracks
If Leahy etal don't get a clue like this morning, that headline will read American People and Senate Clash Over Bush Actions.
8 posted on 11/29/2001 5:54:47 AM PST by Let's Roll
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To: Congressman Billybob
Ex Parte Quirin, 1942, upheld the military trial of eight Germen sabateurs who reached the coast of New Jersey in civilian clothes, from a submarine. They had money, maps, and directions on how to assemble bombs to destroy various strategic American facilities. All eight were convicted. Two who turned states evidence were spred the death sentence. The others were executed.

I wouldn't want to confuse you with facts but Congress declared war on the Japanese on 12/8/1941 puting the nation into a state of war. Germany declared war on us thereafter.

What date after 9/11 did Congress declare war?. Or is the Constutition something you only pay attention to when it is convenient?.

---max

9 posted on 11/29/2001 6:05:13 AM PST by max61
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To: kattracks
I would feel better about military tribunals, if Congress would formally declare war as per the Constitution.
10 posted on 11/29/2001 6:08:08 AM PST by schmelvin
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To: max61
You took the words right out of my mouth as I was typing them. :-)
11 posted on 11/29/2001 6:15:23 AM PST by schmelvin
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To: mbb bill
Sent the following to WH, Senate Republican leaders and RNC:

After watching the "witch hunt" hearings by Sen. Leahy, I am ashamed of our Senate!! Why is this anti-America, pro-terrorist allowed to continue with this farce? Where is the leadership of the Republican party? Why are you allowing Sen. Daschle to block all of President Bush's plans?

It's time to stand up and fight for America. The American public is behind President Bush by a VAST majority from military tribunals to drilling in Alaska. It's time to push and push hard for what is right for this country.

What we are NOT for is rolling over for the Democrats and their political games for the 2002 elections. Until I see more evidence from the Republicans showing some backbone in the Senate, I WILL NOT send any more donations to the Republican party.

If Senator Lott doesn't have the "guts" to fight for this country, then we, the people, suggest you find a leader who does.
/s/
Orlando FL

12 posted on 11/29/2001 6:28:25 AM PST by Elkiejg
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To: max61
Not to confuse you by correcting your "facts," but here is what happened.

You are right that in World War II, both Germany and Japan declared war on the United States, before we made our formal response to the attack on Pearl Harbor. However, Congress did issue a prompt resolution declaring war on all the Axis Powers.

Concerning the War on Terrorism, I published a research paper on "The Law of War" on 17 September, and made it available on FreeRepublic. As I pointed out, House Joint Resolution 63, which was a formal declaration of war, was introduced on 12 September, but was tabled. What passed was Senate Joint Resolution 63, which authorized "all necessary actions by the President," under the terms of the War Powers Resolution, first adopted 23 years ago.

That action by Congress was included in the Anti-Terrorism Act which passed Congress with only one disenting vote, and was signed by President Bush on 18 September.

I pointed out, long before anyone in the lamestream media did so, that the US had NOT made a classic declaration of war, but instead had used the War Powers Resoultion. So, we are "in a state of war," assuming that the War Powers Resolution itself is constitutional.

In my own judgment as an expert in the area, the WPR is an unconstitutional delegation of the power to declare war from Congress to the President. However, having read every one of the few cases which raised the issue of war powers in the US Supreme Court, I have zero doubt that the Court will refuse to declare the WPR unconstitutional, while war is going on, and is highly unlikely to do so even after the war is over.

Your comment that I care about the Constitution only when it is conveniuent is way off base and 100% wrong. I respect and care about the Constitution every waking hour of every day. That's why I have taken every chance available -- whether for pay or for free -- to work on cases in the US Supreme Court (16 briefs and counting).

Yes, I agree that Congress should have passed HJR 63. However, even without that, President Bush has, right now, all the authority needed to take all the steps that have been taken. If you doubt the latter point, it is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of law. And what I've just said on that point is correct.

Congressman Billybob

13 posted on 11/29/2001 9:27:59 AM PST by Congressman Billybob
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