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CA: social worker panics, weapons seized, couple sues city
Keepandbeararms ^ | November 30, 2001 | Staff writer John A. Read

Posted on 12/03/2001 3:15:08 PM PST by THEUPMAN

By John A. Read / Times Staff Writer

LOMPOC - In a case closely watched by the National Rifle Association, a federal judge will be asked a second time to award a Lompoc couple damages against the city of Lompoc and its police department for an alleged violation of civil rights in the search and seizure of firearms stored in their home.

Buellton attorney John Kenneth Dorwin filed suit Sept. 17 on behalf of Albert and Mary Jo Nordyke, who returned home Sept. 18, 2000, to find Lompoc police on their front lawn, requesting them to turn over legal firearms they and other family members had stored in a locked case.

A federal judge Monday granted the city's request to dismiss the complaint, but gave Dorwin 10 days to return with an amended complaint containing enough facts to back up the civil rights allegations in the lawsuit. Dorwin confirmed Wednesday he was planning to meet the refiling deadline.

Asked the chances of winning the case, Dorwin responded, "This is the best Second Amendment fact pattern I have seen in 100 cases as to the standing to assert an individual's right to keep and bear arms." "The city is the one who went out and made the decision to seize these weapons without first going to a judge and saying what their probable cause was," Dorwin said. He said the city could have proceeded more properly by interviewing the Nordykes and taken the information to a judge for a determination as to probable cause.

According to all attorneys involved, the case began when a social worker for the Veterans Administration in Santa Barbara's Community Based Outpatient Clinic requested police assistance after finding out in a confidential medical interview that Albert Nordyke planned to go elk hunting and had firearms at home.

Mary Jo Nordyke said the social worker had a previous bad experience with a distressed client who had committed suicide with a weapon at home, and contacted police, setting off a chain of events for which the Nordykes want answers.

"They basically pushed their way into our house and removed our guns," she told the newspaper. Police confiscated 13 weapons they and other family members owned, including Ruger rifles, 12-gauge shotguns and a collector's item .38 Smith and Wesson revolver Mary Jo Nordyke purchased in 1993 from a San Luis Obispo gun dealer.

All but one of the weapons was returned, but not before the pistol was "accidentally dropped into a bin of firearms designated for destruction, " according to a letter sent to the Nordykes from Lompoc Police Chief William F. Brown Jr.

Brown also said in the letter, dated July 17, 2001, that a "comprehensive administrative investigation of this matter has been completed. It is my belief that no illegal search or seizure took place."

But Brown added the revolver had been "inadvertently destroyed. I have classified this portion of your complaint as sustained, and appropriate administrative action has been taken against the employee who was responsible," Brown wrote in the letter, a copy of which was obtained from Dorwin.

Both Brown and City Administrator Frank Priore declined comment, saying the case was now in court.

"There's nothing I can give you at this point," said Brown.

The initial lawsuit was filed Sept. 18 this year against four unidentified police officers, the city and community service Officer Edward V. York, who is responsible for evidence control. The suit requested a jury trial for "tangible property damage," correction of criminal justice databases to clear the Nordykes' name and restoration of Mary Jo Nordyke's right to own the .38 revolver. It also sought to deny federal funding to the city until the case was settled.

"We want to be compensated," Nordyke told the Times. "We would like an honest apology from the police department (that) what they did was wrong. And I would like to know what happened to my pistol."

The city referred the case to Carrington and Nye, a Santa Barbara legal firm. Carrington and Nye attorney Karen Peabody said Wednesday her motion to dismiss was granted.

She said if Dorwin files an amended complaint in the 10 days allotted by U.S. District Court Judge Manuel L. Real, "it may again be subject to a motion" for dismissal.

If the judge again dismisses the complaint "without leave to amend, that would be final," she said. The Nordykes would then have to appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal in hopes of continuing the case, Peabody said.

Staff writer John A. Read --can be reached at (805) 736-2313, Ext. 126, or by e-mail at jread@pulitzer.net.

By John A. Read / Times Staff Writer


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To: dansangel
Here's a reply you can now reply to.
4 posted on 12/03/2001 6:20:01 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator
In a way, I wish I had seen what the other 3 replies said. :)

It goes without saying that they had no right in the first place to confiscate the guns, locked up or not. The fact that they were locked up speaks volumes as to the plaintiff's recognition of responsibility here. The city has no case IMHO.

Disclaimer: I'm not a lawyer but I did stay at home last night.

5 posted on 12/03/2001 6:25:30 PM PST by meyer
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To: Sidebar Moderator
I apologize if I said anything wrong (though I feel certain I didn't. I'm very careful!). Too bad I can't remember what the comment was that I posted to. Thank-you for the chance to re-post, but I'm having a "senior moment!"
6 posted on 12/04/2001 3:47:13 AM PST by dansangel
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To: meyer; *bang_list; dansangel; coloradan
Our apologies. The post was originally made with a messed up title. The poster contacted us asking us to pull the thread, and one of us did. At the same time, another one of us realized "I can just fix the title for him and leave the thread up".

Well, fixing the title also restored the article to the forum. I just now saw that the replies were pulled and figured out how it happened - whenever an article is pulled, the system marks all the replies as removed as well. Unfortunately, we still have a little software glitch that prevents all but JohnRob from being able to restore pulled comments (and when a thread is pulled, all replies are also pulled), so I can't just restore them. I can recreate them, however:

To: *bang_list

Don't tell your doctor about guns. At all.

2 posted on 12/3/01 7:33 PM Eastern by coloradan
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To: THEUPMAN

Stonewalling to the "nth" degree. That seems to be what liberals, judges or not, are best at doing, hoping for a technicality to come up to end the complaint or that the plaintiffs will just give up and walk away.

I'm sure this is costing the Nordykes a fortune, but hope they will hang in and fight the good fight. It's time to send out a strong and loud message to the gun grabbers: "We are NOT going away!"

3 posted on 12/3/01 7:34 PM Eastern by dansangel
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7 posted on 12/04/2001 4:16:01 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Sidebar Moderator
All but one of the weapons was returned, but not before the pistol was "accidentally dropped into a bin of firearms designated for destruction, "

Yeah, right. Destroyed into someone's private collection.

I'd get warrants to search the residences of everybody who was in the chain of custody.

8 posted on 12/04/2001 5:44:28 AM PST by George Smiley
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To: Admin Moderator
Thanks for cleaning this up so it could go on into the FR thread hall of fame !
9 posted on 12/04/2001 6:14:55 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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California Social workers should not be allowed out by themselves. An individual with a knowlege of individual rights should accompany them. This one had one bad experience some time in the past so she(probably) goes crying to the qestapo which resulted in the trampling of these people's constitutional rights.

Or she(probably) was a social worker assigned to protect Elk, California is imfamous for it's highly unorthodox social programs.
10 posted on 12/04/2001 6:41:43 AM PST by hsszionist
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To: dansangel
I don't know why the replies were deleted, but it gave me the opportunity to hit the abuse button on the moderator because replies were not possible.

A first for me.

11 posted on 12/04/2001 8:06:09 AM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
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To: big ern; Sidebar Moderator; George Smiley
big ern - LOL::: I suppose there's a first for everything! Anyway, I "ditto" the remark I originally made (now that my memory has been refreshed! Thanks Sidebar Moderator!).

George Smiley - I couldn't agree with you more. The missing firearm in no way was "accidently destroyed." What a cheap and underhanded way to take possession of someone else's property!

12 posted on 12/04/2001 8:31:35 AM PST by dansangel
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To: dansangel
"Drop guns" don't come from the gun fairy.

(But then, they're usually not top quality, either.)

13 posted on 12/04/2001 9:09:59 AM PST by George Smiley
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To: dansangel
He said the city could have proceeded more properly by interviewing the Nordykes and taken the information to a judge for a determination as to probable cause.

Always decline to be interviewed.

14 posted on 12/05/2001 3:50:19 PM PST by packrat01
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To: packrat01
Excellent advice! "Interview"=Inquisition!
15 posted on 12/06/2001 8:53:38 AM PST by dansangel
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