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Warning: We know what you're typing (and so does the FBI)
ZDNet ^ | December 5, 2001 | By Robert Vamosi, AnchorDesk

Posted on 12/5/2001, 8:19:03 PM by MeekOneGOP

Wednesday December 05 09:14 AM EST

Warning: We know what you're typing (and so does the FBI)

By Robert Vamosi, AnchorDesk

What if every keystroke you typed was recorded? Programs that do this have existed for years, and are often traded on shadowy Web sites. Alone, they are mere curiosities, but when coupled with Trojan horses that send the data over the Internet, these so-called keystroke loggers allow malicious users to steal your passwords and credit card numbers.

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Now the U.S. government wants to use similar keystroke-logging-enabled Trojan horses in the war against terrorism, and two U.S. antivirus companies have announced they'll look the other way.

SIMPLY PUT, a keystroke logging program is a memory application that records every keystroke a user makes on a given computer. Most keystroke loggers record the application name, the time and date the application was opened, and the keystrokes associated with that application. For example, when you open Outlook and write an e-mail, the keystroke logger would record your e-mail address, the subject line, and any body text you type.

Some keystroke loggers are advertised as child-protection programs, as they allow parents to see which sites their children have visited, or what their children typed during online chats. Keystroke loggers are also advertised as a means for companies to "assess" their employees' work habits. But this technology gets really pernicious when a malicious user couples it with a Trojan horse, as was the case with the recent Badtrans.B worm.

Often, keystroke loggers track what you type in popular Web browsers. Lately, though, new loggers record the passphrase you enter into encryption programs such as PGP. The passphrase is a series of words that access your encryption key. Once malicious users obtain your passphrase, they can use your encryption key, and therefore decrypt any information you have encrypted.

THE U.S. GOVERNMENT wants to use these encryption-keystroke loggers to find criminals and terrorists. In a recent and highly publicized loan shark and racketeering case in New York, FBI (news - web sites) agents obtained information using an encryption-keystroke logger placed on computers in suspected mobster Nicodemo Scarfo's New Jersey office. According to MSNBC, agents did so by breaking into the Scarfo office and individually installing the logger on each computer. (I'll leave the question of whether or not the government should be able to "steal" encryption keys for another column.)

Code-named "Magic Lantern," the bureau's new project would essentially create a government-sanctioned Internet worm that would self-install encryption-keystroke loggers on chosen computers. Agents would still need to obtain a court order before "infecting" someone, however the U.S. Patriot Act passed in October requires authorization only from a state or U.S. attorney general at first; a judge's order isn't needed until later. One method of distributing the encryption-keystroke loggers involves having a friend or relative of the person under investigation send him or her an infected e-mail. Of course, this could only happen if the suspect's antivirus program didn't first detect the FBI's Trojan horse.

SO FAR, Symantec and Network Associates have said their software will not detect the presence of this FBI Trojan horse. It should be noted that antivirus products already exclude some files from their scans, though none are as powerful as Magic Lantern. No antivirus software vendors outside the U.S have weighed in on this matter yet.

Shane Coursen, a SecurityFocus columnist and CEO of WildList Organization International, a group that tracks viruses in the wild, predicts that any such collusion with the FBI might begin the downfall of U.S. antivirus software maker's dominance worldwide. I think the real danger lurks in the FBI borrowing a page from a malicious user's notebook. Even if every antivirus vendor in the world agreed to exclude the FBI's Trojan, the shadow Web sites already used by malicious users would start hosting custom Magic Lantern detection programs. Once such a tool is available, the FBI's magic would be useless.

Should the FBI be allowed to use keystroke loggers to fight terrorism? Should antivirus companies look the other way? TalkBack to me!

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THE U.S. GOVERNMENT wants to use these encryption-keystroke loggers to find criminals and terrorists.

Ah, yes! - crime detection at it's finest!. . .hmmm??

1 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:19:03 PM by MeekOneGOP
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To: MeeknMing
So...if I use an operating system that cannot be infected by this particular trojan am I guilty of obstruction of justice?
2 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:29:57 PM by Dimensio
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To: MeeknMing
Even if all our keystrokes were logged by the FBI, there is no way they can read even a micro-fraction of it all. I mean, I would have trouble just reading and filing all the things that I write each day! The FBI would probably need to employ 25,000,000 agents if they wanted to read everything that was being typed on computers. And this is probably a conservative estimate. Assuming a $50,000 salary (including fringe) per agent, that would create an astonishing payroll of $1,250,000,000,000. That's 1.25 quadrillion dollars for the zero-impaired. Not to mention all the office space and equipment they would need, which would easily triple the surveillance budget to nearly 4 quadrillion dollars per year.

Just wanted to put things in perspective. The notion that the FBI or any other government agency can monitor everything we type is ridiculous.

3 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:30:32 PM by SamAdams76
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To: MeeknMing
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4 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:31:14 PM by Gore_ War_ Vet
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To: MeeknMing
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5 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:32:36 PM by lds23
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To: MeeknMing
I did not have digital relations with that keyboard!
6 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:33:21 PM by TADSLOS
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To: SamAdams76
#3. Excellent points and very reassuring. (Gulp)
7 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:35:51 PM by Orual
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To: MeeknMing
ping
8 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:36:34 PM by cayman99
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To: TADSLOS
LOL!!! -- you have sotb today!
9 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:40:45 PM by mlocher
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To: MeeknMing
You can never be too thin, too rich, or too paranoid.
10 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:42:04 PM by VoiceOfBruck
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11 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:42:57 PM by 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember
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To: Gore_ War_ Vet
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12 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:47:26 PM by MeekOneGOP
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To: SamAdams76
Non-sense. Take the key-looger data files and run a keyword search utility. Even if the keylogger only grabs the hex, one person could scan millions of lines of text an hour.
14 posted on 12/5/2001, 8:55:08 PM by Dead Corpse
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To: SamAdams76
This tool will be used to great effect in a couple of headline making cases about joe blow tax evader, joe blow internet porn surfer, joe blow money launderer, etc. to scare the sheep. While it won't do squat against terrorists and professional criminals (who will simply and quickly find some other methods of communication), it will keep the flock in line and allow close monitoring and regulation of the internet. I mean for goodness sakes, if you cannot monitor transactions and control the flow of information on the internet, how in the world can you be expected to keep the population scared, docile and misinformed?
15 posted on 12/5/2001, 9:06:19 PM by Melinator
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To: Melinator; SamAdams76
'nator. Don't bring common sense to the table.

SA, your tax dollars at work... Type something witty, and get your money's worth.

16 posted on 12/5/2001, 9:29:31 PM by packrat01
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To: MeeknMing
Send the snooping Government a message then, let them see you donate to FR!!!

17 posted on 12/5/2001, 9:39:08 PM by Texaggie79
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To: MeeknMing
I agree it isn't much use against professional criminals, who will do what the government has been doing for some time - keep sensitive information on machines that are not physically connected to the outside world, and encode, as opposed to encrypting, sensitive communications. For instance, if you wanted to make sure that your message "blow up the federal courthouse Monday" got through without raising a flag with keyword search, you'd send it as something like "a moose bit my sister" or "I like cheese" - hey, wait a minute...
18 posted on 12/5/2001, 9:51:14 PM by Billthedrill
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To: riley1992
ping
19 posted on 12/5/2001, 10:00:05 PM by NoCurrentFreeperByThatName
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To: SamAdams76
"The notion that the FBI or any other government agency can monitor everything we type is ridiculous."

Yep. Just like cops can't punish all speeders (virtually everyone here in the Chicago metropolitan area.) No, just a small random sample of citizens are selected for harassment and revenue-raising.

20 posted on 12/5/2001, 10:03:58 PM by Tauzero
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