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FOX NEWS REPORTS PENDING SHOWDOWN BETWEEN WHITE HOUSE AND MARY FRANCES BERRY
Fox News | The Fox News All-Stars (Brit Hume and panel)

Posted on 12/05/2001 3:00:31 PM PST by Howlin

Brit Hume reports that Mary Frances Berry, chairman of the U.S. Civil Rights Commission, is refusing to acknowledge the Bush White House's latest appointment to the U.S. Civil Rights Commission.

Ms. Berry sent a letter to the White House Counsel, Al Gonzales, saying that if they do intend to send the nominee to the meeting tomorrow, they best send along the U.S. Marshalls to seat him, as she will not allow it.

Fox reports that the term of one of the Democrats has expired and President Bush is exercising his right to appoint a member of his choice. The Panel on Hume's show said that this has NEVER been done before; that when someone is appointed to fill a term that hasn't been expired, when the term expires, the person leaves the committe. They also report that the woman who is being removed from the commmittee plans to show up tomorrow with a civil rights attorney and claim that she should get a full six year term, not just complete somebody else's.

Ms. Berry contends that the person leaving the committee was appointed for six years, not just to fulfill the term of a member who either died or left the commission (I can't remember which!)

CAUTION: this is typed from memory. Nothing on the news site yet.


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This is HUGE. HUGE. Bush better NOT back down on this one!
1 posted on 12/05/2001 3:00:31 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
bump
2 posted on 12/05/2001 3:03:27 PM PST by Free the USA
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To: Howlin
I don't think Bush will back down. Once again the libs show their respect for the rule of law.
3 posted on 12/05/2001 3:04:42 PM PST by Grenada
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To: Howlin
Whoa......

What did the panel say??

4 posted on 12/05/2001 3:05:04 PM PST by Dog
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To: Free the USA
I obviously got the title confused with the author..........duh. Maybe the sidebar moderator can fix it!
5 posted on 12/05/2001 3:05:12 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Dog
They said that even if she makes her stand, the White House will win.

He needs to fire her!

6 posted on 12/05/2001 3:05:40 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I saw this. What an arrogant piece of garbage that Berry is.

I need to do some research to see if the President can throw her rotten A$$ off of the commission. It sure seems that this kind of act could be considered "sufficient cause".

BTW, the previous person died.

Even Mara Liasson admitted that the President was going to win on this one but I think a win should be defined as getting rid of Berry once and for all. And I wish there was some way to get that other black lawyer from Harvard off as well. They are both garbage.

7 posted on 12/05/2001 3:05:54 PM PST by jackbill
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To: Howlin
The US Marshalls that show up tommorrow better not be there to seat someone, but to remove some radicals that are totally out of control.
8 posted on 12/05/2001 3:06:20 PM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: Howlin
LOL! Judging from the letter Al Gonzalez sent her, I do not think President Bush will back down. I do think, however, she will be outfoxed, and the longed for confrontation will not happen on her timetable. I do not think that President Bush is going to give her the opportunity to get her face in front of the cameras making a "stand."

I hope it turns out that she was donating money to the Holy Land Foundation. Ha!

9 posted on 12/05/2001 3:06:50 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
There was something about this in today's NYTimes..search the site...she's maintaining that she's entitled to full term on her own. Also, Berry was appt tofill out a term...she's up in 2004..she's saying that she's entitled toa full term, which would be up in Feb 2005, after the election...Here come Fat rev Al, and jesse
10 posted on 12/05/2001 3:07:07 PM PST by ken5050
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To: Howlin
Agreed! Bush had better remind this woman of the rules - which apply to all appointees to the commission.
11 posted on 12/05/2001 3:07:54 PM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: Howlin
This witch is just plain evil. Go away, already! For victory & freedom!!!
12 posted on 12/05/2001 3:08:01 PM PST by Saundra Duffy
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To: Howlin
I'm confused. Is the new Bush appointee filling a vacancy for someone whose term has expired, or someone who has left before his term's end?
13 posted on 12/05/2001 3:08:44 PM PST by be-baw
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To: Howlin
I saw this too.

This is going to be GREAT! She is definitely a crackpot. Make her the posterchild of the DemocRat party!

A wonderful political opportunity handed to Bush on a silver platter.

14 posted on 12/05/2001 3:09:36 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin
Not a wise carreer move on the part of Berry. Makes her look like she thinks this is the continent of Africa. In this case, she is a fly who just bit the king. Not very good odds for survival.
15 posted on 12/05/2001 3:09:40 PM PST by blackdog
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To: Howlin
I've known for a while that Mary Frances Berry had a loose screw, but, she's over the edge completely now.
16 posted on 12/05/2001 3:09:48 PM PST by blam
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To: Trueblackman
ping
17 posted on 12/05/2001 3:10:54 PM PST by oldvike
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To: Miss Marple
I hope it turns out that she was donating money to the Holy Land Foundation. Ha!

WHOA!

Jane explain this??

18 posted on 12/05/2001 3:11:09 PM PST by Dog
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To: Howlin
The person whose term has expired was filling in the spot for someone who had DIED. The panel also said that the reason that MS. Berry was causing such a stink is because now the board has 5 rats and 3 Republicans. If Bush gets his appointment then it will be 4 to 4 and Berry can't run roughshod over the other rats and have her way.
19 posted on 12/05/2001 3:13:08 PM PST by seahawk
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To: Howlin
This is HUGE. HUGE. Bush better NOT back down on this one!

But he will...

20 posted on 12/05/2001 3:13:13 PM PST by ambrose
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To: Howlin
Terrorists of a different sort. Bush should can her A$$!
21 posted on 12/05/2001 3:13:24 PM PST by TADSLOS
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To: be-baw; Howlin; Chairman_December_19th_Society; Miss Marple
We need someone who can tell us about the workings of the US Civil Rights Commission....

Chairman can you help...

22 posted on 12/05/2001 3:13:37 PM PST by Dog
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To: Dog
Just a joke, Dog. Although it would be quite sweet if it turned out that she had donated money to that Hamass group. You know, those who fund terrorists ARE terrorists, etc.

But alas, it was just a joke.

23 posted on 12/05/2001 3:14:04 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Howlin
More details from yesterday's NRO here

By John J. Miller & Ramesh Ponnuru
December 4, 2001 11:55 a.m.

Victoria Wilson of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights apparently wants to be a commissioner for life. She recently announced her intention not to resign, even though her six-year term formally expired last week. She was appointed in 2000 to complete the term of the late Leon Higginbotham, but now she argues that she's entitled to a full six-year term rather than the remainder of Higginbotham's. This would keep her in office until 2006. The White House says her time is up; commission chair Mary Frances Berry accepts Wilson's self-serving interpretation of the law.

Berry and Wilson made clear their disdain for the rule of law this summer, when they (and four other liberal commissioners) released a controversial report on the 2000 presidential election in Florida. They suggested that George W. Bush carried the state because of a racist conspiracy to suppress black votes. The only suppression anyone could point to, however, was their own: They defied established practice by refusing to publish a dissent authored by the commission's two GOP-appointed members.

Wilson's argument makes no sense. It means that presidential appointees in time-limited positions could be "re-appointed" en masse right before the White House changes hands — and therefore prevent the next president from shaping the government the way he deserves.

Berry's support of Wilson has a personal dimension. Although she's been on the commission since the 1980s, Berry's current term began when she succeeded Connie Horner, whom the first President Bush had picked for the commission in the final hours of his presidency. Horner's term expired on December 5, 1998 — but President Clinton didn't get around to putting Berry in that slot until January 26, 1999. The White House clerk's office, staffed by career bureaucrats, insists that Berry's term ends in December 2004. Berry, however, says it concludes on January 26, 2005 — just a few days after the end of President George W. Bush's term.

If the Bush administration wants to exercise complete control over the federal government — control to which it is fully entitled — it will want to make sure Wilson loses her obnoxious challenge.

24 posted on 12/05/2001 3:14:52 PM PST by the bottle let me down
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To: Howlin
Yeah. I saw this. Couldn't believe it. This woman is out of control.

(kinda uppity, too).

25 posted on 12/05/2001 3:15:49 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: Howlin
Standard 'Rat thinking -- if they don't like something, they just throw a fit and demand that the rules change to suit them.
26 posted on 12/05/2001 3:15:59 PM PST by RogueIsland
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To: ken5050
Can Bush remove her?
27 posted on 12/05/2001 3:16:59 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Posted on NRO yesterday:

Victoria’s Secret

A civil-rights commissioner defies the law.

By John J. Miller & Ramesh Ponnuru

December 4, 2001 11:55 a.m.

ictoria Wilson of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights apparently wants to be a commissioner for life. She recently announced her intention not to resign, even though her six-year term formally expired last week. She was appointed in 2000 to complete the term of the late Leon Higginbotham, but now she argues that she's entitled to a full six-year term rather than the remainder of Higginbotham's. This would keep her in office until 2006. The White House says her time is up; commission chair Mary Frances Berry accepts Wilson's self-serving interpretation of the law.

Berry and Wilson made clear their disdain for the rule of law this summer, when they (and four other liberal commissioners) released a controversial report on the 2000 presidential election in Florida. They suggested that George W. Bush carried the state because of a racist conspiracy to suppress black votes. The only suppression anyone could point to, however, was their own: They defied established practice by refusing to publish a dissent authored by the commission's two GOP-appointed members.

Wilson's argument makes no sense. It means that presidential appointees in time-limited positions could be "re-appointed" en masse right before the White House changes hands — and therefore prevent the next president from shaping the government the way he deserves.

Berry's support of Wilson has a personal dimension. Although she's been on the commission since the 1980s, Berry's current term began when she succeeded Connie Horner, whom the first President Bush had picked for the commission in the final hours of his presidency. Horner's term expired on December 5, 1998 — but President Clinton didn't get around to putting Berry in that slot until January 26, 1999. The White House clerk's office, staffed by career bureaucrats, insists that Berry's term ends in December 2004. Berry, however, says it concludes on January 26, 2005 — just a few days after the end of President George W. Bush's term.

If the Bush administration wants to exercise complete control over the federal government — control to which it is fully entitled — it will want to make sure Wilson loses her obnoxious challenge.

28 posted on 12/05/2001 3:17:39 PM PST by Wordsmith
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To: Howlin
Remove Berry or Wilson??
29 posted on 12/05/2001 3:17:42 PM PST by Dog
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To: Howlin

30 posted on 12/05/2001 3:17:45 PM PST by XGMan
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To: be-baw
The new Bush appointee will be appointed for a full six year term.

BTW, this guy brings the makeup of the panel to 4-4, as opposed to 5-4 Democrat it has been (as if you didn't know)

31 posted on 12/05/2001 3:18:06 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Dog
One thing about this Commission that I remember is that, like the FEC and the Federal Reserve, it is independent. To get rid of Berry you would need to prove her guilty of a crime.

Perhaps she will assault one of the marshals tomorrow. She is nutty enough to do it.

32 posted on 12/05/2001 3:18:08 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: XGMan
"What you talking 'bout, Willis?"
33 posted on 12/05/2001 3:18:30 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Dog
I'd love to see him remove Berry.
34 posted on 12/05/2001 3:18:53 PM PST by Howlin
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LOL! Judging from the letter Al Gonzalez sent her, I do not think President Bush will back down Do you have a link to his letter?

Howlin, what a precedent this will set if she is successful. Any clue who I might call first thing in the morning to express my outrage?

35 posted on 12/05/2001 3:19:20 PM PST by StarFan
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To: ambrose
No way.
36 posted on 12/05/2001 3:19:26 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Ms. Berry is not only the most obnoxious person in government (exceeding even Maxine Waters), but she is the most obnoxious person on the planet. Bill o'Reilly said once that she is the only guest to walk off his program.

Her behavior post-election in Florida was shameful. How Katherine Harris kept her cool I'll never know.

37 posted on 12/05/2001 3:19:31 PM PST by yikes
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To: blackdog
"Makes her look like she thinks this is the continent of Africa."

Bet this ignorant excuse for a gubmint official couldn't point to Africa on a map.

38 posted on 12/05/2001 3:19:39 PM PST by steenkeenbadges
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To: Free the USA
The Berry-run Civil Rights Commission was the bunch who set up down in florida to investigate the dis-enfranchisement of black voters. They spent months and had several criers testify they were dis, dis, er . . . not allowed to vote by un-named and voodoo roadblocks manned by mean looking white boys with badges, and got wrong directions, and, well, you get the picture. But a Justice Department task force provided the investigators and they could find absolutely NO evidence after several months on the ground. A State investigation that reported to the governor also could find nothing to substantiate the claims made by the blacks who were put up to it by Daily, er, mistaken maybe. But, of course, the Reno-launched and Clinton ordered task force just could not be trusted to carry out a non-racist investigation, so Berry rejected the first committee draft of the CRC and wrote her own representing the Commission, stating that, basically, Gov. Bush ordered it but we just can't catch him so we need to condemn the practices and void the election.

she's a complete idiot, but harmless. She's like Babs Boxer decrying Enron but invested heavily in it.

39 posted on 12/05/2001 3:20:04 PM PST by holman
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To: the bottle let me down
Victoria Wilson bio

POLITICAL AFFILIATION: Independent

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Victoria Wilson was born in New York City and educated at Goddard College. Since 1972 she has been an editor at Alfred A. Knopf, where she was named vice-president and associate publisher in 1988. Among the many authors she has worked with: Walter Abish, Alice Adams, Stella Adler, Ann Arensberg, Sallie Bingham, Peter Bogdanovich, C.D.B. Bryan, Laurie Colwin, Fernanda Eberstadt, Marilyn French, Paula Fredrickson, William Gass, Anthony Heilbut, Lorrie Moore, Barry Paris, Anne Rice, Sapphire, Meryle Secrest, Scott Spencer, Nicholes Fox Weber and Marguerite Young.

Wilson was an adjunct professor at Columbia in 1992-1993, teaching the writing of fiction in the graduate writing program. She has served on the PEN Events Committee since 1990 and has been a member of the Executive Board since 1992. She was a Fiction Selection member for the PEN/Faulker Award in 1989. From 1997 to 1999 she served as PEN's Treasurer. She was a member of the advisory board for the annual New Orleans Writing Conference from 1988 to 1994 and from 1994 to 1996 she served on the board of the National Board of Review of Motion Pictures. From 1998 to the present she has served as that Board's Vice President. She is at work on a biography of Barbara Stanwyck to be published by Simon and Schuster.

40 posted on 12/05/2001 3:20:50 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Howlin
From the Civil Rights Commission web site, at:

Civil Rights Commission Information

Organization

The United States Commission on Civil Rights is composed of eight Commissioners: four appointed by the President and four by Congress. Not more than four members shall at any one time be of the same political party.

The President also designates the Chairperson and Vice Chairperson from among the Commission's members with the concurrence of a majority of the Commission's members.

The Commissioners serve 6-year terms. No Senate confirmation is required. The President may remove a member of the Commission only for neglect of duty or malfeasance in office.

Two points here:

1. There are already four DemocRATs on the commission, excluding Berry. She calls herself an "Independent" - the lying bitch. There is only one acknowledged Republican on the commission - Abigail Thernstrom.

2. If she persists, she is surely guilty of neglect of duty AND malfeasance and the President should dump her.

41 posted on 12/05/2001 3:21:01 PM PST by jackbill
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Get her out! GW, please don't back down on this. You've brought the rule of law back to the government, and I hope you will continue to live up to this standard.
42 posted on 12/05/2001 3:21:02 PM PST by July 4th
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To: the bottle let me down
The key to this is explained as follows:

Berry's support of Wilson has a personal dimension. Although she's been on the commission since the 1980s, Berry's current term began when she succeeded Connie Horner, whom the first President Bush had picked for the commission in the final hours of his presidency. Horner's term expired on December 5, 1998 — but President Clinton didn't get around to putting Berry in that slot until January 26, 1999. The White House clerk's office, staffed by career bureaucrats, insists that Berry's term ends in December 2004. Berry, however, says it concludes on January 26, 2005 — just a few days after the end of President George W. Bush's term.

43 posted on 12/05/2001 3:21:14 PM PST by the bottle let me down
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To: the bottle let me down
just a few days after the end of President George W. Bush's term.

No way.

44 posted on 12/05/2001 3:21:33 PM PST by Howlin
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To: XGMan
Marion Berry's more evil twin!!
45 posted on 12/05/2001 3:22:03 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: Pokey78
Then again, the usccr.com also list Mary Frances Berry as an Independent.

usccr

46 posted on 12/05/2001 3:22:44 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: XGMan
What does Tracy Chapman have to do with this?
47 posted on 12/05/2001 3:22:46 PM PST by Squire
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To: be-baw
From what I overheard on Fox as I was freeping. Someone appointed during the clinton era died, someone was appointed to finish out that persons term. It expired in November. Bush is executing his right to appoint someone now.

Berry thinks the person filling in for the dead person should get a full six year term and is fighting it. Everyone else believes the person replacing the dead person should have only stayed on until the dead person's term was up, which was November.

48 posted on 12/05/2001 3:22:47 PM PST by snippy_about_it
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To: Howlin
She wants this and she wants to create a circus atmosphere. Can you imagine the publcity she will get if armed U.S. Marshalls show up to force the seating and unseating. Reminder of the 60's.
49 posted on 12/05/2001 3:22:55 PM PST by StayoutdaBushesWay
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To: Miss Marple
How are commissions formed? By the President or by Congress? Could President Bush simply "dis-enfranchise" the whole Commission? That would be beautiful!!!
50 posted on 12/05/2001 3:23:04 PM PST by kayak
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