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FBI Won't Have Access to Gun Records (A must read for gunowners)
(AP) ^ | December 5, 2001, 12:16 PM EST | CHRISTOPHER NEWTON

Posted on 12/05/2001 8:42:53 PM PST by Dallas

WASHINGTON -- The Justice Department denied the FBI access to its records to determine whether any of the 1,200 people detained after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks had bought guns, a spokeswoman confirmed Wednesday night.

The refusal was made in October, as the FBI intensified its investigation into the backgrounds of hundreds of immigrants that were detained.

Mindy Tucker, a spokeswoman for the Justice Department, said the FBI request to use gun records was considered and rejected after Justice officials studied case law.

"It was decided that it would have been improper use of the records," Tucker said Wednesday.

The government's record database, called the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, is used to help prevent criminals and certain others from purchasing guns.

It is a compilation of record checks performed when gun dealers send information to the FBI to find out if the potential buyer is prohibited from owning a gun.

Those not allowed to own guns are felons, fugitives and some categories of foreigners. The records of the background checks are destroyed after 90 days, in keeping with statutes that prohibit the government from keeping permanent records on gun buyers. In October, FBI officials would have been able to access records from the weeks before the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

"The only approved use of the records is for audits, to ensure the system works," Tucker said. "Once that determination was made, no more records were run."

The New York Times, which first reported the Justice Department's decision in its online edition Wednesday evening, said the Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms asked the FBI to check a list of 186 names of detainees against the background check records.

The FBI found that two of the detainees had been approved to buy guns.

But before more records could be run, the Justice Department stopped the FBI from accessing the records to check on the detainees -- a refusal that was repeated after high-level FBI officials asked for the matter to be reviewed again.

The denial is in line with Attorney General John Ashcroft's insistence that gun records not be used by the government.

The Justice Department's policy on gun rights was articulated by Ashcroft last spring in a letter to the National Rifle Association. Ashcroft said the original intent of the Second Amendment "unequivocally protects the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms."

Copyright © 2001, The Associated Press


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I'm speechless.............
1 posted on 12/05/2001 8:42:53 PM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas
bump
2 posted on 12/05/2001 9:09:56 PM PST by technochick99
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To: Dallas
Is this a glimmer of light?
3 posted on 12/05/2001 9:17:07 PM PST by earonthief
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To: Dallas
bttt
4 posted on 12/05/2001 9:24:20 PM PST by Don Myers
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To: Dallas
Ashcroft has been P***ing me off lately, but I'll give him credit here.
5 posted on 12/05/2001 9:25:55 PM PST by Dan from Michigan
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To: *bang_list
Bang
6 posted on 12/05/2001 9:29:40 PM PST by AStack75
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To: Dallas
Don't get too excited. This looks like more of a PR piece than anything. How many of the detainees were US citizens? The idea that the government gets rid of these records is laughable to me. The fact that they could be accessed is proof enough of the danger to gunowners.
7 posted on 12/05/2001 9:29:54 PM PST by Lion's Cub
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To: Dallas
Sweet!
8 posted on 12/05/2001 9:31:01 PM PST by Southack
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To: Dallas
The Justice Department's policy on gun rights was articulated by Ashcroft last spring in a letter to the National Rifle Association.
Ashcroft said the original intent of the Second Amendment "unequivocally protects the right of individuals to keep and bear firearms."

10 posted on 12/05/2001 9:35:18 PM PST by butter pecan fan
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To: Dallas
Tap, Rack, & BUMP!


11 posted on 12/05/2001 9:38:24 PM PST by Gadsen
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To: Dan from Michigan
This took balls guts courage....
12 posted on 12/05/2001 9:41:43 PM PST by Dallas
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To: Dallas; Squantos; technochick99; Mr_Magoo
I'm speechless too.

The other thing that occurred to me after reading this is to say that accessing gun records wouldn't have turned up the names of the purchasers of the box cutters used in the Sept. 11th attacks. What would the FBI be trying to accomplish by going into these records?

Treasury Department's Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms asked the FBI to check a list of 186 names of detainees against the background check records. The FBI found that two of the detainees had been approved to buy guns.

OK, so that's 2 out of 186. Just a little over 1 percent. Ineffective at whatever they're trying to accomplish.

13 posted on 12/05/2001 9:47:01 PM PST by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: Lion's Cub
The fact that they could be accessed is proof enough of the danger to gunowners.

Absolutely right. Maybe Ashcroft will stand firm on this, but what about the next AG? Those 1968 GCA requires that those records be destroyed after the approval for a sale is given, so why are they still in existence?

14 posted on 12/05/2001 10:03:59 PM PST by epow
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To: technochick99
This is for real ??

Stay Safe TC !

15 posted on 12/05/2001 10:40:20 PM PST by Squantos
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Goobermint bean counters will rot in hell IMHO for using the deaths of these folks on 9-11-01 to (try ) further their own socialist agenda. Be it privacy invasion, unconstitutional acts or disarming folks who IMHO whould have made this entire atrocity moot had those airline pilots and key crew members been allowed to carry a sidearm. For the want of a dozen or so snub nosed revolvers we'd still be hot on Gary Condits trail.....

Rant over, Stay Safe "H" !

16 posted on 12/05/2001 10:48:20 PM PST by Squantos
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To: Dallas
There sould NO list of any kind then there would be NO possability of intemidation now or in the future.
17 posted on 12/06/2001 4:55:23 AM PST by tberry
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To: Squantos
Keep up the ranting. It is truth and people need to understand it. I suppose if some terrorist sets of a tactical nuke some *sshole from VPC and John McCain will blame a gun show.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

18 posted on 12/06/2001 6:24:50 AM PST by harpseal
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To: Dallas
This article was the basis for anti-gunner Schumer's rant today against Ashcroft as well as a plant in the White House Press Pool who asked the same things from this article as did Schumer.

Talking Points have been faxed/e-mailed to their troops...

19 posted on 12/06/2001 10:16:13 AM PST by Southack
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