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NATO, Russia to Create New Council
AP ^ | 12/7/01 | JEFFREY ULBRICH

Posted on 12/07/2001 4:43:59 AM PST by defenderSD

NATO and Russia agreed Friday to forge what Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov called "a profound change" in their relations, creating a new council to work out joint action on issues ranging from civil emergencies to missile defense.

NATO officials insisted that the alliance will not be hampered by the new cooperation, and that if a decision cannot be reached with Russia, NATO's ruling council will make the decision without it.

"There is no issue more important to the security and stability of the Euro-Atlantic area than the further development of a confident and cooperative relationship between us," NATO Secretary-General Lord Robertson told Ivanov.

The 19-nation alliance wants to take advantage of Moscow's cooperation in the fight against terrorism to pursue "opportunities for joint action at 20," U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell said.

Besides the struggle against terrorism, Russia and NATO suggested they could work together in such areas as crisis management, nonproliferation, arms control, theater missile defense, search and rescue at sea, military-to-military cooperation and civil emergencies.

Ivanov said Russia is not interested in joining the alliance.

"Russia has no interest in queuing up for membership," he said. But he said Moscow did want to work closely with NATO. "The Russian side has the political will to do it."

On Thursday, the ministers told their ambassadors at NATO headquarters to start working out details of a new arrangement for regular discussions with the Russians, and ways to include them in decision-making while retaining NATO's ability to act on its own.

"The precise nature and scope of this mechanism will require substantial work over the coming months," Robertson said, but the plan is to have it in place by the next meeting of allied foreign ministers May in Reykjavik, Iceland.

Since 1997, meetings have been held under something called the NATO-Russia Permanent Joint Council, a forum originally created to ease Moscow's fears about NATO enlargement. But both sides say the council has never been satisfactory and more often than not the alliance uses it to inform Russia of positions it already has taken.

Robertson said that Russia will not be able to veto NATO decisions on the new council.

"We are not abandoning our principles or prerogatives," Robertson said on the second day of NATO's foreign ministers' meeting. "This is about working together more effectively when it is in all our interests to do so."

Asked how Russia would benefit from this new arrangement, given that NATO could still take decisions on its own whether Moscow liked it or not, Robertson said "the answer is more in chemistry than in arithmetic."


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Sounds like progress to me. The fight against terrorism is bringing the civilized world closer together.
1 posted on 12/07/2001 4:43:59 AM PST by defenderSD
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To: defenderSD
SOunds like a Yalta bend over and get screwed Roosevelt to me.
2 posted on 12/07/2001 4:46:29 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: lavaroise
Watch it, you're letting your Russophobia show again. Almost as bad as the Islamic paranoia of Isreal. There are drugs for this.
3 posted on 12/07/2001 5:02:08 AM PST by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
Aren't you insulting the Russian cunning by saying this?
4 posted on 12/07/2001 5:06:38 AM PST by lavaroise
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To: defenderSD
You are absolutely correct. The civilized folks are getting ready to run the savages off the plantation.
5 posted on 12/07/2001 5:41:07 AM PST by ChinaThreat
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To: lavaroise
Cunning? Though we are cunning, for the most part Russia has tried time and again to reapproach the West. And all Russia has gotten for it is to have her economy gang raped. It's the US that perfected the bait and switch....there are other words to describe this "cunning" and they are much less pretty.
6 posted on 12/07/2001 5:45:50 AM PST by Stavka2
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To: Stavka2
What exactly are we doing to hurt the Russian economy?
7 posted on 12/07/2001 6:11:21 AM PST by defenderSD
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To: defenderSD
Right now nothing, but under Yelstin, Western corporations pillaged Russian industry and resources...that's why everyone loved Yelstin, he was a bought man and stayed that way.
8 posted on 12/07/2001 6:25:35 AM PST by Stavka2
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To: defenderSD; sonofliberty2; lavaroise; HalfIrish; NMC EXP; OKCSubmariner; Travis McGee...
Robertson said that Russia will not be able to veto NATO decisions on the new council.

Actually according to an editorial from the Dec 6 edition of the Washington Times, that is exactly what Russia will be able to do. Under the old Joint NATO-Russia Permanent Council, NATO members had to come to agreement before meeting with Russian reps on the Council. Under the Blair proposed system, Russia will vote alongside the other NATO members and will thus be able to divide and conquer the NATO members at will, resulting in a de-facto if not express, veto over NATO divisions. The agreed upon inclusion of Russia as an active participant in the decision's of NATO's highest decision making alliance spells the permanent end of NATO as an anti-Russian military alliance. From henceforth, it will transform into a mere political grouping with a focus on peacekeeping operations. This fact should temper Russian objections to NATO expansion. Most of the former Communist bloc states would just end up voting with Russia on most issues anyway further subverting NATO given the fact that all NATO decisions must be unanimous, a daunting task with 19 member nations let alone with Russia and additional Communist dominated former Eastern bloc states like Romania, Moldova, Albania, and Poland.

This unfortunate development represents yet another smashing foreign policy success for the great power known as Russia and yet another glaring foreign policy defeat for the Western powers led by the US. Following closely as it does on the heels of the US committment to unilaterally disarm itself of all but 1700 strategic nukes and its elimination of 1200 of its strategic nukes within the last three weeks alone in order to be in compliance with the dubious START I Treaty, you can almost feel the correlation of forces beginning to shift in favor of Russia and her CIS and Shanghai Cooperation Organization allies. The primary Russian objectives of the neutralization of NATO and the evisceration of the US as a nuclear superpower are well under way.
9 posted on 12/07/2001 10:12:45 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: sonofliberty2; defenderSD; lavaroise
How fitting that this news of NATO agreement to include Russia as a full partner in all its decisions comes on the 60th anniversary of Pearl Harbor. Lest we forget, the price of freedom is eternal vigilence.
10 posted on 12/07/2001 10:41:12 AM PST by rightwing2
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"The primary Russian objectives of the neutralization of NATO and the evisceration of the US as a nuclear superpower are well under way."

Son, do you have any idea what kind of destruction just 20 of our nuclear warheads would do when targeted in a well-spaced circular grid into a metropolitan area? Just 20 warheads would completely devastate any city and it's surrounding suburbs. So do the math: it only takes 400 warheads to destroy 20 cities in an attacking country. That's more than enough deterence. Even if two countries attacked us simultaneously, we'd still have a thousand warheads left over. The greater danger is the theft of excess warheads by terrorists. So too many warheads, which we have now, is a much greater danger than having the right number. As GWB says, he wants "the right number of nuclear weapons, kept under the tighest possible control." Don't worry about our nuclear capabilites. We'll have plenty of nukes, and ours are more accurate and survivable than those of our potential attackers.

11 posted on 12/07/2001 11:51:25 AM PST by defenderSD
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To: defenderSD
Don't bother with Rightwing2...he's part of the tin foil brigade and no amount of logic will help him. His hatred of Russia is not much different then the Nazi hatred of Jews...just as misplaced and unrealistic of a fantasy.
12 posted on 12/07/2001 12:54:46 PM PST by Stavka2
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To: rightwing2
"...military-to-military cooperation and civil emergencies." I find this troubling.
13 posted on 12/07/2001 1:01:10 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Stavka2
You are exactly right. Unfortunately, Clinton took office just when Russia was reaching out....we all know what Clinton did. But there's a new man in the Whitehouse and a new man heading Russia. This will be different. Hopefully, there will be 8 years in which to build a relationship that could last.

How long can Putin stay in office?

14 posted on 12/07/2001 1:06:49 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Stavka2
Actually, I have a profound admiration for Russia, which is why I continue to warn of its increasing power. I have always wanted to visit Russia and hopefully I shall someday soon. Of course, I understand why you misunderstand my posts--being Russian and all. As I have stated I sincerely wish we could ally with Russia, but our differences are just too great. We would have to divide the world into spheres of influence to find a workable peace with them.
15 posted on 12/08/2001 7:41:30 AM PST by rightwing2
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To: rightwing2
What exactly are the differences between Russia and America that are so great? What are the differences between America and Japan, Germany, France and China that the US government works like crazy to bridge?
16 posted on 12/08/2001 8:09:04 AM PST by Stavka2
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To: Zadokite
Oh Please....not more NWO paranoia. This site has the world's highest rate of NWO paranoia per gigabyte.
19 posted on 12/11/2001 12:47:46 AM PST by defenderSD
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To: sonofliberty2
Russia, historically is an Eastern Christian nation, dedicated to centralized absolutism. Consequently, there has long been mutual antagonism based upon ethno-cultural and political reasons between the Anglo-American Alliance and Russia.

Funny, to begin with, the West, based on Catholic Absolutism and Authoritarianism has little in common with freedoms, or is Papal Infallibility something that the founding fathers of America, who were paranoid of the Jesuits, amongst other things, and rightly so, had in common with France and Spain. England was a competitor. The relationship of the US and subservant England is based on power politics of Europe. Without strong American backing, England will be resigned to a role of 2nd rank power in Europe or at best to that of lowerest 1st rank. As for France, the french revolution, which ended with a total Autocratic ruler, had little to do with American.

As for America itself, it has hardly practiced a defense strategy, from the declaration of the War of 1812 and the failed attempt at annexation of Canada, to the two Mexican wars and the forced annexation of California, to the Indian Wars, the Spanish American War, the forced openning of Tokyo to trade by the blowing up of half of Tokyo Harbor to the colonization of the Phillipines and parts of China to the very aggretion of the North against an independent South and the many different attacks against various Latin American countries...stemming from the Monroe Doctrine, nothing less then the declaration that all of the Western Hemisphere is America's Manifest Destiny (ever heard of that term) proves that your explanation is hot air.

Further more, many of the tenants of various Protestant faiths have also proven nothing short of tyranical and extremely anti freedom based.

As for US/Russian antagonism, this is also a farse of hot feical gas. During the American Civil War, for example, Russia pushed very hard on Britian and France, with the direct threat of war by stationing Russian ships in NYC and San Francisco, to prevent support for the South. Also, Russia was allied with Britian against Catholic Authoritarianism and French Absolutism as well as the British and the French were allied with the Turkish Orientals against Christian Russia.

To put it mildly, besides the obvious hatred of the Orthodox Church that you have, you need to study history a bit better.

20 posted on 12/11/2001 12:06:11 PM PST by Stavka2
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