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The Wars of Hard Lands: How Myth Explains Islam and the West
Oregon Magazine ^ | December 1, 2001 | Larry Leonard

Posted on 12/08/2001 1:21:20 AM PST by WaterDragon

Here is the New York Post Headline:

VICTORY SHIFTS THE MUSLIM WORLD by Daniel Pipes

There are two amazing things about the text below that headline.

First, it runs completely counter to all the mainstream press coverage, including recent PBS programs on Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the region. All their reports pose Islamic terrorism as a burgeoning threat -- a serious danger to the West in the class of Mongol hordes bringing down the Roman Empire.

The only truth to that comparison is that both hordes carry swords and ride on hairy horses.

Visualize Ghengis Khan riding up to the city wall of ancient Paris and throwing a stolen suitcase nuke over the parapet. The American mainstream media, as usual, hasn't the faintest grasp of the situation at hand. Their record string of misinformational reports is not in danger of being broken.

Second, every point made by the author, Pipes, eerily matches the historic behavior, attitudes, beliefs and happenings protrayed in the legends of the kinds of peoples involved. We will begin with David Lean's film epic, Lawrence of Arabia, then move on to Camelot and the American frontier........(snip)


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Fascinating!
1 posted on 12/08/2001 1:21:20 AM PST by WaterDragon (valleystorm@yahoo.com)
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To: WaterDragon
Correct Link http://oregonmag.com/LawrenceOfArabia.htm
2 posted on 12/08/2001 1:25:39 AM PST by xm177e2
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bump for a must read.
3 posted on 12/08/2001 1:34:24 AM PST by D-fendr
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To: WaterDragon
Is the point that you can pull out any combination you want if you have an infinite supply of myths to pull from?

Myth Explains Behaviour of Lawn Mowers on Sunny Days

I have no doubt that I can pull the needed myths from the 10,000 year supply we have access to.

4 posted on 12/08/2001 1:51:03 AM PST by TheLooseThread
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To: WaterDragon
Excellent article and great find. Thanks.
5 posted on 12/08/2001 2:02:35 AM PST by beekeeper
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To: TheLooseThread
I have no doubt that I can pull the needed myths from the 10,000 year supply we have access to

If that were all there was to the article, you might have a point. But it is not.

Plus, I would not discard myths so easily. They are usually fundamental to what we are and can mirror a society and how it responds to life. Different cultures have different myths because cultures are different.

In any case, the article stands well on its own.

6 posted on 12/08/2001 2:09:10 AM PST by beekeeper
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To: WaterDragon
Both Pipes and this author have, in my opinon, an amazingly clear grasp of the fundamental problem with Islam as it faces a modern world. I hope the mainstream media can muster sufficient intellectual courage (and ability) to "cut to the chase" on this and quit being so thirsty for drama in their slant. But, as I said on another post, the mainstream media's first bizness is showbizness. Contrary to media-based, current mytholgy, Islam is on a collision course with the West (and the rest of the non-Islamic world, for that matter.)

Being Arthurian (I love that) as we are, I'll wager all the money on the West.

7 posted on 12/08/2001 2:17:31 AM PST by Rudder
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To: WaterDragon
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8 posted on 12/08/2001 2:29:35 AM PST by BunnySlippers
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To: TheLooseThread
I think the point is that you cannot merely transliterate English into Arabic (or any other language, for that matter). If you study Arabic, and don't study Islam, you cannot understand the Islamic Arab. The meanings of words are traditional. You can with difficulty learn Spanish pretty well with a Spanish-English dictionary--but you wouldn't be reading this if you did not already know English. No dictionary taught you your first language; that you learned by oral tradition.
9 posted on 12/08/2001 2:35:05 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Rudder
I hope the mainstream media can muster sufficient intellectual courage (and ability) to "cut to the chase" on this and quit being so thirsty for drama in their slant. But, as I said on another post, the mainstream media's first bizness is showbizness.

General-interest journalism is nonfiction entertainment. It'd be wonderful if it stopped being that way. I'd settle for having the public generally understand that that is what it is. Most people have swallowed so much propaganda from journalism that they just can't see that.

Why Broadcast Journalism is
Unnecessary and Illegitimate.

10 posted on 12/08/2001 2:42:10 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
General-interest journalism is nonfiction entertainment.

Quotable!

11 posted on 12/08/2001 2:47:42 AM PST by Rudder
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To: Rudder
That is so true! Great quote!
12 posted on 12/08/2001 7:56:51 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: xm177e2
Thanks for correcting the address for this post, xm.....I try so hard, but still goof! But I'm glad you all are enjoying this article as much as I am.
13 posted on 12/08/2001 7:59:27 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Good point.
14 posted on 12/08/2001 9:46:13 PM PST by My back yard
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To: WaterDragon
Good article. I'm reminded of something I said here on another post the other day using a quote from the movie Lawrence of Arabia.

"With Major Lawrence, mercy is a passion. With me, it is merely good manners. You may judge which motive is the most reliable." I think it is likely that the Taliban know that it isn't Lawrence who is hot on their trails, but a lot of ill-mannered Afghani's who have suffered them long enough.

They can run but they can't hide, for long.

15 posted on 12/08/2001 9:52:39 PM PST by My back yard
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To: Rudder
I've always thought I had an allergy to fantasy tales, but realized, reading this article, how influential the Arthurian tales have been in my life. I'd simply not appreciated how vital even today are the legends of our culture.
16 posted on 12/08/2001 10:19:01 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
BBBump for the Sunday readers.
17 posted on 12/09/2001 1:40:23 PM PST by My back yard
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; rintense; Diogenesis; Registered; Teacup; Miss Marple; Wait4Truth...
bump for Sunday evening reading pleasure.
18 posted on 12/09/2001 6:24:16 PM PST by WaterDragon
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To: WaterDragon
The Arthurian legend runs deep in our culture. It is retold over and over again..."Star Wars" being the most recent and famous example. For all the media's obtuseness, in the days after 9/11 one could hear the echoes in much of the writing about President Bush. The West NEEDS him to be Arthurian, and thank God he intuitively understands this.

He speaks of this war as a "calling" and "a just and noble cause." This is what people need to hear, because they recognize, somewhere inside, that this is the reenactment once again of the old legend.

19 posted on 12/09/2001 6:58:28 PM PST by Miss Marple
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To: WaterDragon
A very interesting article.

So how do we explain the fact that our success in
Desert Storm seemed to inflame the passions
and anger of such Arab's as Bin Laden?

20 posted on 12/09/2001 7:02:26 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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