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Bad Pundits, Bad! (Rubbing the Nose Time on Bad Afghan Predictions)
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Posted on 12/15/2001 10:39:30 AM PST by Ditto

After a brief search, I deveveloped the following short list of stupid pundit predictions concerning the outcome of military action in Afghanistan. Feel free to add to the list.

Have fun.

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ANTHONY PAUL, Asia Week

America should beware. Afghanistan has been the graveyard of great armies, from the British in the 19th century to the Soviets in the 1980s

Jules Witcover, columnist, The Sun, Baltimore:

In spite of President Bush's repeated candor in telling the American people that the war on terrorism will be long and difficult, the prospect of a drawn-out military campaign ... and no terrorist leaders captured or killed ... spell political trouble ahead for him. ... It is much too early to conclude that in the war against the Taliban as part of the war against terrorism, we are on the road to another tunnel with no light at the end, as in Vietnam. But we do seem to be putting the cart before the horse in conducting our diplomacy, as if our military has already made the Taliban history. If that is the first order of business, we should get on with it with more focus and clarity."

Kumar Ramakrishna, in a column for The Christian Science Monitor:

The war against Osama bin Laden's al-Qa'eda network isn't going well. Militarily, the Taliban is taking a fearful pounding, but politically and morally, it is winning. The main reason is the increasing reports that Afghan civilians are being killed. This is leading ordinary Muslims in Afghanistan and elsewhere — no doubt prompted by al-Qa'eda's whispers — to ask why innocent Afghans are dying when not a single Afghan was involved in the attacks of Sept. 11. ... The current policy of bombing, while helpful to President Bush domestically, is, in a wider sense, politically counterproductive.

John Balzar, in a column for the Los Angeles Times:

"Too soon, cracks are forming in America's resolve. The air war over Afghanistan is not bringing instant satisfaction. The Bush administration has made a bumbling start on homeland security. Congress is rushing to the aid of — who else — campaign contributors. Call it a lapse of cynicism on my part, but I didn't expect this to happen so swiftly. Our enemies are surely heartened. This is what they expected. What they hoped for. ...

Ivo H. Daalder, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies, and James M. Lindsay, Senior Fellow, Foreign Policy Studies in the San Jose Mercury News, October 28, 2001

Even as the military confrontation in Afghanistan intensified last week, it was becoming increasingly clear that the quick victory that some had hoped for—but few had expected to achieve—was not about to materialize. Rather than collapsing under the weight of American bombardment, the Taliban appeared to dig in for a long fight. And the hopes that military action would quickly shake loose information about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden and his Al-Qaida lieutenants appeared to be dashed.

"Bush's audacious plan: Eradicate terrorism", THE DULUTH-NEWS TRIBUNE (15 September 2001),

outlines our President's approach to conducting a "war against terrorism". Counter-terrorism official, L. Paul Bremer, is quoted saying, "It's going to be a long war and there's going to be a lot of casualities". He admits that we have lost "the first battle", but he neglects to add that most of these casualities are going to be American and that "Bush's audacious plan" cannot possibly be won. On its face, in fact, it appears to be a blueprint for disaster.


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1 posted on 12/15/2001 10:39:30 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
These smart guys are good. They're very good.

We just haven't figured out what they're good for!

2 posted on 12/15/2001 10:54:04 AM PST by Ken H
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To: Ditto
Nice job. And fun to read!
3 posted on 12/15/2001 10:55:26 AM PST by Amore
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To: Ken H
RICHARD COHEN, Washington Post, 11/6/01: "Whatever the case, this war appears to be behind schedule. The administration, of course, will not say so. But this administration is already operating from a credibility deficit. . . . At the Pentagon, the briefings more and more resemble the ones conducted daily during the Vietnam War."

JACOB HEILBRUNN, Los Angeles Times, 11/4/01: A young and inexperienced president from a dynasty surrounds himself with experts. Early in his presidency, he announces a global crusade on behalf of freedom. No price, he announces, is too high to pay. Step by step, he becomes progressively embroiled in a war in a small country mired in civil war and located near a vital industrial region.

Sound familiar? This was the situation confronting John F. Kennedy in Vietnam. It is also the one that George W. Bush faces in Afghanistan. So far, his administration has bungled the challenge. Despite Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld's claim that critics are looking for "instant gratification," the war effort is in deep trouble. The United States is not headed into a quagmire; it's already in one. The U.S. is not losing the first round against the Taliban; it has already lost it. Soon, a new credibility gap will emerge as the Pentagon attempts to massage the news.

ARTHUR SCHLESINGER, The Independent, 11/2/01: In Vietnam the U.S. dropped more explosives than in the Second World War but still couldn't stop the Viet Cong. . . . Meanwhile the popular expectation of a knockout blow against the Taliban has been cruelly disappointed. Remember the optimistic remarks a couple of weeks back about the way American bombs were eviscerating the enemy? This has given way to sombre comment about the Taliban's dogged resistance. Evidently our leaders gambled on the supposition that the unpopularity of the regime would bring about the Taliban's rapid collapse. And they also seem to have assumed that it would not be too difficult to put together a post-Taliban government. This was a series of misjudgments. . . . Vietnam should have reminded our generals that bombing has only a limited impact on decentralized, underdeveloped, rural societies. . . . All of this raises questions about the competence of our national leadership.

R.W. APPLE, The New York Times, 10/31/01: Like an unwelcome specter from an unhappy past, the ominous word "quagmire" has begun to haunt conversations among government officials and students of foreign policy, both here and abroad. . . . Today, for example, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld disclosed for the first time that American military forces are operating in Northern Afghanistan, providing liaison to "a limited number of the various opposition elements." Their role sounds suspiciously like that of the advisers sent to Vietnam in the early 1960s.

COKIE ROBERTS, ABC NEWS, 10/28/01 (to Donald Rumsfeld): "The perception is that this war the last three weeks is not going very well."

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, CNN LATE EDITION, 10/28/01: "We're going to have to put troops on the ground. We're going to have to put them in force. It's going to take a very big effort. It won't be accomplished through air power alone."

MAUREEN DOWD, The New York Times, 10/28/01: As Rudyard Kipling's Kim reports back to his British spymasters, from the mountainous moonscape of Afghanistan, "Certain things are not known to those who eat with forks." President Bush has been lured through the high-altitude maze to the minotaur's lair, or as it's known in the novel "Flashman," "the catastrophe of Afghanistan." Now, like the British and Russians before him, he is facing the most brutish, corrupt, wily and patient warriors in the world, nicknamed dukhi, or ghosts, by flayed Russian soldiers who saw them melt away.

SEN. JOE BIDEN: Los Angeles Times (news story), 10/26/01: On Tuesday, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Sen. Joseph R. Biden, Jr. (D-Del.) warned that unless the air attacks end "sooner rather than later," the U.S. risks appearing to be a "high-tech bully. Every moment it goes on, it makes the aftermath problems more severe," he said.

DANIEL SCHORR, NPR, 10/27/01: "Well, I don't know how long this was supposed to take, but it's certainly going a lot worse than was expected. . . . This is a war in trouble." Plenty of room at the top in the punditry profession, folks. Plenty of room. If Bush, Rice, Rumsfeld, et al., had been this wrong, the press would be raking them over the coals and repeating these statements over and over. Think you'll hear these screwups repeated much?

4 posted on 12/15/2001 10:56:42 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: Ditto
bump!
5 posted on 12/15/2001 10:57:48 AM PST by VOA
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Schmucks, every last one of them.
6 posted on 12/15/2001 11:08:48 AM PST by SurferDoc
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To: VOA
I hope people don't forget Joe "high-tech bulley" Biden's remark. Who would even listen to this fool with a wind bag?
7 posted on 12/15/2001 11:10:47 AM PST by paul51
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To: Ditto
Doctors bury their mistakes. Pundits wrap fish with theirs.
8 posted on 12/15/2001 11:21:59 AM PST by Whilom
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To: paul51
Their remarks should be e-mailed back to them as a reminder that we read and remember their comments and hold them all accountable.
9 posted on 12/15/2001 11:23:18 AM PST by Russ
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To: Russ
That's a good idea. They thrive on the general ignorance of the public.
10 posted on 12/15/2001 11:31:15 AM PST by paul51
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To: Ditto
Bump for later. This was a good idea:)
11 posted on 12/15/2001 11:52:13 AM PST by monday
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To: Ditto
Whack 'em with a rolled up newspaper!
12 posted on 12/15/2001 11:55:28 AM PST by Peacerose
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To: paul51;RonDog
I hope people don't forget Joe "high-tech bulley" Biden's remark.

How can we forget that Senator Mano-a-mano!?
All I can think is that all the smart people in Delaware must be so busy making money
thus only morons have time to vote...hence they get a Senator Joe Biden.

Don't know if you (or others) catch The Hugh Hewitt Show (can get it over the web
at www.newtalk870.com) but he was playing some great clips recently of Biden talking
in a slow, halting monotone (can't remember the subject).
Hewitt said "maybe we should start calling him 'Slow Joe' Biden"!
13 posted on 12/15/2001 1:48:11 PM PST by VOA
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To: VOA; paul51
I hope people don't forget Joe "high-tech bulley" Biden's remark.

How can we forget that Senator Mano-a-mano!?
All I can think is that all the smart people in Delaware must be so busy making money
thus only morons have time to vote...hence they get a Senator Joe Biden.

Thanks for the flag, VOA!

From:
Unenlightened selfish interest: Hewitt slams Sen. Dems for dissing America at time of greatest need
Posted on 10/30/01 12:52 AM Pacific by JohnHuang2

And now we have Joe Biden droning on about "high-tech bullying" and the need to go mano a mano with the Taliban...


"mano"


"moron"

From InfoPlease - Foreign Words and Phrases:

mano a mano (mah'no ah mah'no) [Span.]: a direct confrontation or conflict.
“‘Stay out of it,’ he admonished his friends, ‘I want to handle this guy mano a mano.’”

14 posted on 12/15/2001 4:47:58 PM PST by RonDog
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Great additions.
15 posted on 12/16/2001 6:00:20 AM PST by Ditto
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub
You may want to add this thread to you bump list. Let's see how many stupid pundit quotes we can get on one thread.
16 posted on 12/16/2001 6:02:26 AM PST by Ditto
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To: Ditto
Death To The Liberal Media- Death To The Lawyers Waiting In The Wings-Death to The Clintons-Death To Democraps-Praise Be To Allah!
17 posted on 12/16/2001 6:07:21 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: Ditto
Anybody have any stuff from that brilliant General Seymour Hersh?

QUAGMIRE======QUAGMIRE=======QUAGMIRE!!!!

18 posted on 12/16/2001 6:16:25 AM PST by Benrand
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To: Russ
Good point.If this stuff wasnt so serious,it would be amusing. These morons think they can still talk to us like Clintoon did.
19 posted on 12/16/2001 6:20:04 AM PST by cardinal4
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To: cardinal4
Bump
20 posted on 12/17/2001 5:01:56 AM PST by Ditto
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