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What the Nurse Saw and Heard: I have never seen anything as horrible as an abortion procedure
What the Nurse Saw and Heard ^
| Brenda Pratt Shafer RN
Posted on 12/16/2001 2:59:46 PM PST by Brian Kopp DPM
Hello, I am Brenda Pratt Shafer RN.
I am "The Nurse" that witnessed the partial birth abortion procedure. I need your help. I am writing a book titled, "What the Nurse Saw and Heard". I will be telling the world what I saw at the abortion clinic, and the many stories that I have heard from many people. Please help me get the word out to people that I want to hear their story. They can communicate anonymously if they desire. I want to hear from women (and men) if they:
Have had an abortion. What effect has it had on your life?
Have considered an abortion, but did not go thru with it.
What effect has it had on your life?
Have any story (woman or man) related to a personal abortion account.
If you have any appropriate master e-mail lists, please forward this notice, or, please share the list with me and I will make the contact. If you have any newsletters or other publications, I am hoping you could put in a small notice to tell people to visit my website www.whatthenursesaw.com Finally, I am open to any suggestions you may have on how better to "get the word out". Please visit my website for more information and if you have a website please consider linking my site to yours to help us both get the word out.
Thank you for your help.
Your Story
Please tell me your story. I want to hear your story regardless of the particular situation or details, however, I am particularly interested in hearing from you if:
*Youve had an abortion. What effect has it had on your life? Please tell me about your healing process also.
* You have considered an abortion but didnt go thru with it. What effect has it had on your life? Please tell me what changed your mind.
* Men Only: Did someone abort your child with or without your consent? Please tell me what effect it has had on your life.
* You have changed your stance on abortion from pro-choice to pro-life.
* Any story related to a personal abortion account from anyone.
* I am anxiously waiting to hear from you. Some people have shared poems, songs, or other tributes with me during my speaking engagement travels. I would like these from you also.
Notice of Release:
If I use your story or work in my book, or in a future edition, I will contact you to receive from you a release to reproduce and/or publish your story or work.
What the Nurse Saw and Heard
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Pro-life book effort ping
To: proud2bRC
If I'm not on your "ping" list, please add me.
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posted on
12/16/2001 3:02:39 PM PST
by
GreatOne
To: proud2bRC
One question missing is ... Did you escape an abortion? Yes there are those whose mothers contemplated an abortion but had the wherewithall to find an alternative solution. Adoption being one of those solutions. How did this knowledge effect your life?
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posted on
12/16/2001 3:11:00 PM PST
by
NYer
To: proud2bRC
This is interesting, thanks for the PING. It boggles the mind that doctors can legally deliver a baby, rip off the arms and legs, and brutally kill that baby, even as the baby reaches ought her arms, instinctually hoping to be loved. It is just mind-boggling. Under USSC decision Stenberg vs. Carhart, it can not be banned.
An interesting side note: Carhart apprently had the unitended effect of disgusting Justice Anthony Kennedy so, much, it pushed him towards the pro-life side. Cahart was decided in favor of the pro-aborts, but only 5-4 (Kennedy, Rehnquist, Scalia, Thomas objecting)
To: GreatOne
Done.
To: Dr. Octagon
ought="out"
To: proud2bRC
Just a bit of additional info: Roe vs. Wade doesn't exist. Again, Roe vs. Wade doesn't exist. It has not existed for years.
To: Dr. Octagon
It boggles the mind even further that doctors can do this life threatening invasive procedure on minors with no parental consent!
I'm a foot doc. I can't treat a hangnail on a kid without parental consent.
But these butchering SOB's do it with government approval, and reimbursement with your and my tax dollars in many clinics.
To: proud2bRC
I never needed a Pope or politician to tell me if it was right or wrong.
From a very early age I understood exactly what abortion was - murdering a baby in the womb(now out of the womb also).
The "opinion shapers" have spent the last two decades conditioning me to call it "choice". I don't care if they spend the next two decades telling me it's "happy-face apple pie". It's still murdering a child in the womb.
The physical and psychological after-effects are not revealed to women at all IMHO.....not to mention spiritual effects.
To: proud2bRC
To decrypt my last post: Roe does not exist, because it was 100% replaced by the pro-abort Casey decision, which X-ed out Roe's "constitutional" reasoning and it's implementation framework (the trimester system). Casey also consolidated the Doe vs. Bolton and Danforth cases. Finally, it repeated everything from the Webster "undue burden" case. It is Casey which determines the legal status of abortion today, with Carhart as an add-on.
To: Dr. Octagon
Eightsided Doc, how about explaining that, and the Bolton and Casey decisions that are relevant to the notion that Roe v Wade doesn't now exist. It would be most interesting to many. Thanx
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posted on
12/16/2001 3:21:43 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
To: proud2bRC
The pierced ears comparision is often rightly invoked as well. For a teenage girl to get her ears pierced, most places will require parental permission.
To: MHGinTN
Doe vs. Bolton was more-or-less a companion case to Roe vs. Wade. Danforth, a few years later, prohibited spousal consent laws, which had survived the first 3 post-Roe years.
Webster was a decision which collaterally established Sandra Day O'Connor's very, very murky "undue burden" standard: there can be no laws regarding abortion which place an "undue burden" on the opportunity to have one.
Casey endorsed the positions of all those previous decisions, but completely scrapped their reasoning and implementation frameworks. Thus, Casey replaced Roe, which it invalidated 100%, while establishing a conception to birth pro-abort position on it's own.
So long as I'm explaining all this, ping some folks wouldja? This is not widely-publicized info, and it should be. :o)
To: Angelique; tame; Alamo-Girl; backhoe; Hugh Akston; Ragtime Cowgirl; LarryLied; kathleenlisson...
Go into more depth, please, explaining in finer detail the new precedent set by Casey.
PING))))))
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posted on
12/16/2001 3:59:46 PM PST
by
MHGinTN
To: MHGinTN
I have the text of Casey somewhere, but it's been a while. It might be easier just to field specific questions about it. It was written by Sandra Day O'Connor... her reasoning is a study in murk-dom, in contrast to the shear beauty of every decision Scalia authors...any specific questions about any of the decisions rendered, I will absolutely answer. Pose away!
To: MHGinTN;proud2brc;woahhs;wwjdn
An excerpt from an old synopsis of Casey:
...however, the Court abandoned the trimester framework of Roe in favor of the undue burden standard previously articulated by O'Connor in Webster. Undue burden was defined as a "substantial obstacle in the path of a woman seeking the abortion of a nonviable fetus."
The above illustrates how Casey scrapped Roe's framework, which was half of it. They also scrapped Roe's "constitutional" foundation, made up by Justice Harry Blackmun, in favor of a new "constitutional" rationale, made up by Sandra. Her rationale, any questions you have, I'll answer.
To: MHGinTN;proud2brc;woahhs;wwjdn
And even the "viable" part was a lie from the court, as confirmed by their sanctioning of partial-birth abortion years later in Carhart.
To: MHGinTN; Dr. Octagon
The 1992 Casey Decission

The 1992 Casey Decision
ABOUT THE CASEY DECISION Casey Quotes: The following quotes come from the 1992 Supreme Court Decision, Planned Parenthood Versus Casey. Justices O'Connor, Souter, and Kennedy wrote the "joint opinion," which was to represent the views of the Court. In the first portion of the decision, the Justices affirm a woman's right to have an abortion. Nothing new.  The second portion of the decision will change the landscape of the abortion debate. Roe is significantly altered. You see, under Roe, State "restrictions" were virtually impossible because abortion had been declared a constitutional, or a fundamental right. State restrictions of a fundamental right are allowed only if there is a "compelling State interest" and such restrictions are evaluated upon the basis of "strict scrutiny," the Court's highest standard. In this second portion, the Justices topple the fundamental right status of Roe. State restrictions are allowed on the basis of a much more lenient standard, the "undue burden standard." This totally alters Roe. For the first time the State (that includes parents and citizens and school boards, and other entities of government) can now use state dollars to take steps that might reduce abortion. With this ruling, abortion becomes like the right to smoke cigarettes. The person can choose to smoke, or have an abortion, but elected officials can use state dollars and school curriculums to attempt to limit the casual use of the abortion procedure.  The quotes below will come from the second portion of the decision, that portion that expands the rights of citizens to have a "choice" about abortion. You will notice that the Justices organize many of their comments around the concept of ensuring "informed choice." - "We think it beyond dispute that a State has a strong and legitimate interest in the welfare of its young citizens, whose immaturity, inexperience, and lack of judgment may sometimes impair their ability to exercise their rights wisely."
(Note: In explaining the Court's support for informed consent). - "The Constitution does not forbid a State or city, pursuant to democratic processes, from expressing a preference for normal childbirth."
(Note: Schools, as governing entities, would have the same rights. Stresses the democratic process). - "Measures aimed at ensuring that a woman's choice contemplates the consequences for the fetus do not necessarily interfere with the right recognized in Roe."
(Note: the young can be informed or taught abut the consequences for the fetus).
- "To promote the State's profound interest in potential life throughout pregnancy,
the State may take measures to ensure that the woman's choice is informed, and measures designed to advance this interest will not be invalidated as long as their purpose is to persuade the woman to choose childbirth over abortion. These measures must not be an undue burden on the right." (Note: Again, the emphasis upon the State's "profound interest in potential life ... throughout pregnancy"). we depart from the holdings of Akron I and Thornburgh to the extent that we permit a State to further its legitimate goal of protecting the life of the unborn by enacting legislation aimed at ensuring a decision that is mature and informed even when in so doing the State expresses a preference for children over abortion." (Note: Again, the State can promote a "mature and informed" choice and can show support for childbirth over adoption).
- "Abortion is a unique act.
It is an act fraught with consequences for others; for the woman who must live with the implications of her decision; for the persons who perform and assist in the procedure; for the spouse, family, and society which must confront the knowledge that these procedures exist, procedures some deem nothing short of an act of violence against innocent human life; and, depending on one's beliefs, for the life or potential life that is aborted." (Note: The court herein recognizes the extremely serious nature of the choice of abortion, for the child, the woman, and for society).
- "These considerations of the nature of the abortion right illustrate
that it is an adverse statement to describe it as a right to decide whether to have an abortion without interference from the State". (Note: In other words, to refer to a woman's blanket "right to choose" goes beyond current law).
- " ... the means chosen by the State to further the interest in potential life
must be calculated to inform the woman's free choice, not hinder it." (Note: The State can demonstrate support for the unborn, but in doing so, should not hinder the woman's ability to understand abortion).
- "In our considered judgment,
an undue burden is an unconstitutional burden." (Note: The Casey decision established the undue burden doctrine. This suggests that State restrictions will be ruled out of order only if they are "unconstitutional." This gives a great deal of latitude to the States to establish reasonable restrictions, or safeguards, depending upon one's perspective).
- "Regulations which do no more than create a structural
mechanism by which the State, or the parent or guardian of a minor, may express profound respect for the life of the unborn are permitted, if they are not a substantial obstacle to the woman's exercise of the right to choose."  (Note: Again, the woman has the final choice but she is not totally insulated from the State, i.e., the citizens around her. "Profound respect" for the unborn is legal).
- " ... a state measure designed to persuade her to choose childbirth over abortion
will be upheld if reasonably related to that goal" of informed choice. (Note: Again, the stress on informed choice).
- "In attempting to ensure that a woman apprehend the full consequences of her decision,
the State furthers the legitimate purpose of reducing the risk that a woman may elect an abortion, only to discover later, with devastating psychological consequences, that her decision was not fully informed. If the information the State requires to be made available to the woman is truthful and not misleading, the requirement may be permissible." (Note: The Court acknowledges the important role that the State may play).
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To: proud2bRC
The critical element of Casey is it's spin on Webster's "undue burden" standard.
Some have spun this to suggest that it allows for greater restrictions than Roe. I suggest that S.O.C.s view of what constitutes an "undue burden" is so galactically broad, that it dis-allows everything which would actually prevent abortion under any circumstances.
Witness Casey's misandric re-affirmation of the ban on spousal consent laws originally stated in Danforth. Also, witness that Carhart was justified by Casey, and Carhart said that there cannot be bans on partial birth abortions at all.
I know many pro-lifers see Casey as better than Roe. Trust me, it's even worse, as evidenced by the factors mentioned in this post.
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