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It's Official: JDL SET UP (Followers of Kahane Are Subjects of Inquiry)
New York Times - today - Requires Registration ^ | December 16, 2001 | Dean E. Murphy

Posted on 12/16/2001 6:13:02 PM PST by Silvertip

December 16, 2001

              Followers of Kahane Are Subjects of Inquiry

              By DEAN E. MURPHY

                  The arrests in Los Angeles last week of
                  two members of the Jewish Defense
              League charged in a bombing plot came as
              federal authorities pursued a separate
              terrorism-related investigation into the
              activities of some followers of the late Rabbi
              Meir David Kahane in Brooklyn.

              In announcing the charges against the two
              members, Irving David Rubin and Earl
              Leslie Krugel, federal officials in Los
              Angeles said the case should put to rest
              complaints that the authorities have been singling out Arabs and Muslims in
              their terrorism investigations since the attacks of Sept. 11.

              But the leader of the Brooklyn group of Kahane followers, Michael
              Guzofsky, said the federal government's eagerness to address such
              complaints from Muslim Americans had resulted in an unwarranted tirade
              against Jews associated with Rabbi Kahane, a militant Israeli politician who
              was assassinated in Manhattan in 1990. The Jewish Defense League was
              founded by Rabbi Kahane in 1968, several years before he moved to Israel
              from Brooklyn.

              "I sense in the air there is a tremendous pressure in Washington to show
              evenhandedness and show they are not isolating Muslims, and probably the
              easiest way to do that is to go after the Jews that are the easiest to
              persecute," Mr. Guzofsky said, a reference to the unpopularity of the
              Kahane movement among mainstream Jewish groups.
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              In Brooklyn, a spokesman for the United States attorney's office would not
              comment on the investigation into the activities of Mr. Guzofsky and other
              Kahane followers, who operate a community center on Coney Island
              Avenue as well as an Internet site that promotes Rabbi Kahane's anti-Arab
              teachings.

              In January, agents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation raided the
              community center, the Hatikva Jewish Identity Center, and confiscated
              computers, filing cabinets and other materials.

              In a telephone interview from Tel Aviv, Mr. Guzofsky said federal
              investigators were calling many people listed in his Rolodex, which was
              among the items taken from the center. He has also been fingerprinted and
              has submitted samples of his handwriting to the authorities, he said.

              "I can tell you this: They are very active," Mr. Guzofsky said. "They have a
              lot of agents out. They are trying so hard to find a little thing that will connect
              Mike Guzofsky and the Hatikva center to terrorism."

              Formerly a leader of Kahane Chai, one of two Kahane-related political
              groups banned in 1994 in Israel and later designated as terrorist
              organizations by the State Department, Mr. Guzofsky denies involvement in
              terrorist activities. He said the Kahane followers in Brooklyn had only one
              goal, to spread the word of Rabbi Kahane.

              "There are not Jewish terrorists," he said.

              Mr. Guzofsky said Kahane groups in Brooklyn and elsewhere in the past
              had teamed with members of the Jewish Defense League on a variety of
              activities, including patrolling synagogues. He said he also occasionally spoke
              with Mr. Rubin, though there was no indication that the investigation in
              Brooklyn was related to the arrests in Los Angeles.

              "It seems to me that he is not the type of guy that engages in any form of
              terrorism," Mr. Guzofsky said of Mr. Rubin. "The government needed to
              generate a Jewish terrorist."

              In the complaint filed in Los Angeles, federal authorities accuse Mr. Rubin
              and Mr. Krugel of plotting to set off pipe bombs at a mosque in the Los
              Angeles area as well as at the office of Representative Darrell Issa, whose
              grandfather was Lebanese.


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1 posted on 12/16/2001 6:13:02 PM PST by Silvertip
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To: Silvertip
"SET UP"

Huh?

2 posted on 12/16/2001 6:20:40 PM PST by VaBthang4
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To: Silvertip
If people think we are are profiling Arabs and Muslims they only need to look at the percentage of people involved in 9/11 to find that it ay for the first time ever be justified profiling.

However the arrest of the JDL memebers does help to show that we are after TERRORISTS regardless of religion or race.

3 posted on 12/16/2001 6:20:51 PM PST by Mixer
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To: Mixer
Absolutely right. Terror is terror.
4 posted on 12/16/2001 6:23:49 PM PST by babble-on
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To: veronica; nachum; cachelot; TopQuark; onyx; BenF
fyi bump
5 posted on 12/16/2001 6:24:31 PM PST by Silvertip
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To: HangFire
PING!

6 posted on 12/16/2001 6:26:42 PM PST by AnnaZ
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To: Silvertip
A friend of the guys arrested says that they were set up, and that makes it official?

I find it quite interesting the way some people are scrambling to defend these guys, who have known to have committed acts of violence before, before we have any real knowledge about the case.

7 posted on 12/16/2001 6:29:30 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Silvertip
He said the Kahane followers in Brooklyn had only one goal, to spread the word of Rabbi Kahane.
"There are not Jewish terrorists," he said.

So lesse if you preach the words of someone that wants to terrorize another group you're not a terrorist.
8 posted on 12/16/2001 6:29:44 PM PST by lelio
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To: Silvertip
"In the complaint filed in Los Angeles, federal authorities accuse Mr. Rubin and Mr. Krugel of plotting to set off pipe bombs at a mosque in the Los Angeles area as well as at the office of Representative Darrell Issa, whose grandfather was Lebanese."

So, these guys were planning on blowing up a mosque and a California Congressman. Do I have this right? Now, let's do the following exercise: Let's imagine that instead of the JDL being the accused party here, that some militant white racist milita types had been caught in the same situation. Do you think the media coverage of this might be a little more through? Perhaps a bit more repetition and coverage of the basic incident?

Is there any doubt?

"All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others." George Orwell, Animal Farm.

9 posted on 12/16/2001 6:31:58 PM PST by Billy_bob_bob
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To: Mixer
There was no terror.

Was there a conspiracy or was there entrapment?

In similar cases, on FR, the Government would not get the benefit of the doubt without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

10 posted on 12/16/2001 6:33:41 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Sabramerican
In similar cases, on FR, the Government would not get the benefit of the doubt without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

I would say that the title of the thread certainly indicates strong support for the accused. I mean, if their friend says so..it's official!

11 posted on 12/16/2001 6:35:11 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Rodney King
If you have a point to my post- I missed it.
12 posted on 12/16/2001 6:36:12 PM PST by Sabramerican
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To: Silvertip
Official? Didn't see it in there.
13 posted on 12/16/2001 6:36:38 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: Sabramerican
This is 100% bs to make the Muslim nations feel better. Irv and company are THE OVER THE HILL GANG!
14 posted on 12/16/2001 6:37:51 PM PST by dennisw
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To: Rodney King
A friend of the guys arrested says that they were set up, and that makes it official?

Right on Rodney!!! Good grief!!! Where are all these "Government is the Boogie Man wierdo's" coming from lately??? FR is full of them of late. I think it is ANOTHER effort from some quarter to squash our patriotism and then eventually our liberties. Rise the masses so to speak. Well, it won't work here!!!

15 posted on 12/16/2001 6:38:34 PM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Sabramerican
In similar cases, on FR, the Government would not get the benefit of the doubt without proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

This is true. However, Jews are a special case with the government. That being said, these particular Jews are incredibly stupid. Had the mosque been blown up, the "America Firsters" here in FR would have used it to tar all Jews with the same brush.

16 posted on 12/16/2001 6:38:36 PM PST by BenF
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To: Sabramerican
You seemed to be indicating that these guys were getting harsh treatment, I was pointing out that they weren't, but you knew that.
17 posted on 12/16/2001 6:39:13 PM PST by Rodney King
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To: Silvertip
Welcome to prosecuting in the new Politically correct style. When Kahane was murdered the FBI sat on their arses in failing to pursue clear leads concerning Islamic terrorists propagating in the U.S. Then came the first Twin Towers bombing three years after Kahane's murder. Still nothing. Now look how fast they jumped all over the JDL. Pathetic.
18 posted on 12/16/2001 6:39:38 PM PST by Lent
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To: Silvertip
Gimmea break! I'm supposed to believe this! Let's see what the jury has to say.
19 posted on 12/16/2001 6:40:51 PM PST by Cold Heat
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To: Rodney King
What acts of violence have they been involved in? I know they have punched a few people out in the past, but did they ever get prosecuted for shooting or bombing or terrorizing anyone before?

I agree all terrorists should be apprehended regardless of race or religion. On the evidence it looks like these two guys deserved to be arrested. I will let a jury handle the rest.

It is possible they were set up -- possibly like DeLorian was set up. That is, they may have gone along with an idea that a government plant put together. DeLorian went along with the cocaine selling conspiracy but it was the feds who provided him with the idea, the contacts, the cocaine and the cash. That's why he was acquitted on the basis of entrapment. It is possible that these JDL guys were set up the same way. It terms of morality Delorian was wrong for going along with such a stupid plan, but legally he was entitled to walk. Likewise if this is how it went down for them, the JDL guys are dumb and evil for going along with it. I bet the JDL will pursue a similar defense strategy as DeLorian. We'll see.

20 posted on 12/16/2001 6:43:30 PM PST by monkeyshine
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