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500 Officers to Be Issued High-Powered Weapons Used by Elite Unit (Does this make you feel safe?)
NYT ^ | RICHARD LEZIN JONES

Posted on 12/17/2001 9:27:16 AM PST by Sir Gawain

500 Officers to Be Issued High-Powered Weapons Used by Elite Unit

By RICHARD LEZIN JONES

Five hundred of the city's police officers will receive new, high- powered weapons once reserved for elite units but increasingly regarded as necessary for a police department with a sharper focus on fighting terrorism, officials said yesterday.

Under the plan, first reported yesterday in The New York Post, the officers will be equipped with assault rifles and submachine guns in addition to their standard-issue handguns. The allocation will double the number of officers with high- powered weapons.

Although the proposal was in the works long before Sept. 11, it gained momentum in the weeks after the terrorist attacks, officials said.

"To be effective, law enforcement agencies must provide their personnel with the tools they need to respond to all possible situations," Police Commissioner Bernard B. Kerik said yesterday.

"Equipping specific officers with these weapons will enhance the N.Y.P.D.'s ability to respond quickly and effectively to an even wider range of contingencies," he said.

Those include the department's daily duties staffing security checkpoints around the city and ensuring an effective response to emergencies. Officials said the checkpoints largely reinforced the new weaponry proposal.

Department officials said that when they began placing officers at bridges, tunnels and other important security posts around the city — assignments that typically require greater firepower than those given to most of the rank and file — they were forced to choose from a relatively small pool of officers trained in the use of heavy-duty weapons.

High-powered weapons have traditionally been the almost exclusive province of the department's elite Emergency Service Unit, which is made up of about 500 officers. Department officials hope to have the new plan in place over the next few weeks. Of the total 40,000 officers in the city, as many as 8 in each of the 76 precincts will be issued the new weapons and trained in their use under the plan.

Many of the weapons to be issued are already in stock. The weapons include MP5 submachine guns, Mini- 14 assault rifles and more commonplace firearms like shotguns. Specially trained officers are already using many of those weapons at posts around the city.

For instance, the Mini-14 — a variation on the M-14 rifle that was favored for years by the military — is among the weapons issued to officers assigned to security checkpoints at police headquarters.


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1 posted on 12/17/2001 9:27:16 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: bang_list
Duck.
2 posted on 12/17/2001 9:27:35 AM PST by Sir Gawain
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To: sirgawain
Heckler & Koch Bump! MP5s rock!
3 posted on 12/17/2001 9:31:31 AM PST by AStack75
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To: sirgawain
They're getting Mini-14s? The only thing in any danger would be the broad side of a barn.
4 posted on 12/17/2001 9:32:22 AM PST by MediaMole
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To: sirgawain
For instance, the Mini-14 — a variation on the M-14 rifle that was favored for years by the military — is among the weapons issued to officers assigned to security checkpoints at police headquarters.

More disinformation. The Ruger mini-14 fires a .223 round and is closer to the M-16 than the M-14.

5 posted on 12/17/2001 9:33:13 AM PST by Cool_V
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To: sirgawain
A simple Glock 23 in my own possession makes me feel a lot more secure.
6 posted on 12/17/2001 9:33:33 AM PST by paul51
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To: paul51
Only the police and the military had weapons in Tiananmen Square.

The purpose of an armed citizenry is NOT personal protection, but the protection of liberty against tryanny.

The people MUST have a means to revolt.

7 posted on 12/17/2001 9:37:00 AM PST by PokeyJoe
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To: Cool_V
The Mini-14 and the M-14 are very similar mechanically/operationally; the M-16 is totally different. It seemed like a reasonably statement to me. The rounds used in the Mini-14 are identical to the rounds used in the M-16.

While several have/will comment on the Mini-14's accuracy (or lack thereof), it is totally adequate for a close-in urban firefight with, say, terrorists or gangbangers. While many here might prefer a Bushmaster or other AR clone, for its intended purpose, a Mini works fine. This isn't intended to equip the police sharpshooter detachment.

9 posted on 12/17/2001 9:59:25 AM PST by FreedomPoster
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To: MediaMole
They're getting Mini-14s? The only thing in any danger would be the broad side of a barn.

Doubtlessly, this is part of a propaganda campaign to press for their ultimate ban. If mini-14's are "high-powered" "military style" weapons used only by "elite" police forces in "special circumstances," how many sheeple will then press for their prohibition from citizens? I mean, if ordinary police don't need them, why should any citizen?

That's my guuss.

10 posted on 12/17/2001 10:04:27 AM PST by coloradan
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To: sirgawain
No more or less safe then the other weapons they carry, why?
12 posted on 12/17/2001 10:06:25 AM PST by biblewonk
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To: sirgawain
Doesn't matter what they've got if they're not actually going to do the job when the time comes. Columbine dramatically demonstrated how pointless elite police units are if they won't actually enter the building when the SHTF. If an elite police unit won't go after two kids shooting up a school, don't expect them to go after heavily-armed terrorists bent on large-scale harm.
14 posted on 12/17/2001 10:10:07 AM PST by ctdonath2
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To: sirgawain
You bet it makes me feel a little safer. Outside of the terrorism issue, I see no reason why officers sent into the projects on a daily basis should be outgunned by the dealers and gangbangers. Its bad for morale, and the job already has a hard enough time recruiting considering the low pay and NY's professional cop-bashing corps (aka Rev. Fat Al).
15 posted on 12/17/2001 10:21:33 AM PST by newwahoo
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To: coloradan
Exactly. Their choice of the Mini-14 as an "assault rifle" is hilarious. Everyone knows that the Mini-14 is a ranch rifle. I think one of the reasons for the choice is the scare factor. An uneducated civilian might view the -14 as acceptable, but the ominous 'black rifle' AR-15/M-16 as too militaristic. They are being given MP5s though, so why not complement them with real urban tactical rifles?
16 posted on 12/17/2001 10:22:42 AM PST by GOV'T MULE
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To: sirgawain
I guess Mini-14s don't look nearly as menacing as AR-15s, and are a few bucks cheaper.
17 posted on 12/17/2001 10:25:31 AM PST by xm177e2
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To: FreedomPoster
The stock mini-14 is a reliable rifle with about a 4 or 5 MOA accuracy. The thin barrel heats up rapidly and causes the point of impact to "string". There are many companies that do aftermarket accurizing of the mini-14. Some claim to achieve 1 MOA. The mini-14 is fine and reliable for field use. For tactical .223, I prefer a Savage 10FV with some good glass on top.
18 posted on 12/17/2001 10:33:22 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: sirgawain
Hey, those Mini 14's were good enough for the "A-Team" if I remember correctly. When the officers start welding 14g plate steel to their squad cars, look out....
19 posted on 12/17/2001 10:34:18 AM PST by bosniajmc
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To: GOV'T MULE
"... Exactly. Their choice of the Mini-14 as an "assault rifle" is hilarious. Everyone knows that the Mini-14 is a ranch rifle. I think one of the reasons for the choice is the scare factor. An uneducated civilian might view the -14 as acceptable, but the ominous 'black rifle' AR-15/M-16 as too militaristic. They are being given MP5s though, so why not complement them with real urban tactical rifles?"

1. You're right: The Mini doesn't look as militaristic, which is why the NYPD is choosing them. The NYPD has used Mini-14s for almost 30 years. That department was one of the first adopters of the Ruger.

2. You're right: The 'scare factor' is a huge benefit. Ever seen the muzzle flash on a Mini using cheap ammo with dirty powder?

3. Um, no: Let's not arm the average cop with a 'Urban tactical rifle'. Most cops on the average (particularly the NYPD above all) can't shoot straight to begin with. Why waste money? The Mini's inaccuracy fits the NYPD cop that's shooting it, which is good enough as an investment. In this case, two negatives equal a positive.

20 posted on 12/17/2001 10:34:53 AM PST by The KG9 Kid
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