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Was Santa Greek? From gift giving to red clothes, Nikolaos of Myra was a model for the modern Santa
gogreece ^ | December 25, 2001 | gogreece

Posted on 12/24/2001 9:30:49 PM PST by Pericles

Was Santa Greek? From gift giving to red clothes, Nikolaos of Myra was a model for the modern Santa Claus.

There's a nasty old saying "Beware of Greeks bearing gifts", probably an allusion to that unfortunate incident involving the Trojan Horse...which should have ended forever another phrase, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth!"

At Christmastime, don't be beware of anyone bearing gifts, and don't look too closely at their teeth, either. Some people don't want to look too closely at Santa Claus, for fear he'll melt away like a snowflake.

But fear not - Santa does exist..and he's a Greek. His alternative name, St. Nicholas, reflects his true identity. In Asia Minor at the Greco-Roman city of Myra in about AD 300, a pious young man named Nikolaos was born. He was one of the youngest men to ever become a priest, and his devotion and piety were renowned. So was his practicality. In a time when extra daughters might be sold into slavery if the family couldn't afford a dowry for them, Nikolaos stepped forward, providing funds to destitute women and men, sometimes to assist in their marriages, other times to just relieve their crippling poverty. Some tales have him throwing bags of gold down the chimney, a precursor of the modern Santa's travel down the chimney.

His generosity was born of an understanding of the potential pain of those he chose to help - Nikolaos was persecuted and imprisoned for his faith, so his compassion for their potential loss of freedom was a very real and personal one.

Nikolaos later became a bishop, helping to set up the formative Council of Nicaea which decided many points of orthodox Christian practice. Bishops got to wear dramatic red robes, and images of Nikolaos depict him with a flowing white beard, though others show him clean-shaven. Later, he became a patron saint of Russia, which reaches above the arctic circle into traditional Santa territory. While in the Far North, he may have acquired an association with reindeer, as he is known as the patron saint to another arctic animal, the wolf. Or images of him riding on a horse carrying his bishops crook may have been misinterpreted as him riding or being accompanied by an antlered animal.

St. Nikolaos became the Scandinavian Sinterklaas, which then evolved into the modern "Santa Claus". The most renowned depiction of Santa Claus comes from "Twas the Night Before Christmas", when all through the house - whoops, sorry - whose original title is "A Visit from St. Nicholas".

His "Name Day" is December 6th, the anniversary of his death, which is still a gift-giving date in many countries, though most have conformed to the 25th as the date for distributing largesse.

After Nikolaos' death, he was made a saint, patron of sailors and children, butchers and bakers, and judges, to name just a few. Part of the saint-making process requires attested miracles, and he accumulated plenty. While those miracles don't list traveling around the world in a single night, dropping gifts everywhere, once miracles can be managed, why should anything be impossible?

In the present day, St. Nikolaos the Wonderworker of Myra is called upon to preside in spirit over Orthodox meetings seeking to unify the churches.

May your own winter festivals, however you celebrate them, be full of richness, unification, and miracle as well.


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KALLA XRISTOUGENIA!!! to everyone.
1 posted on 12/24/2001 9:30:49 PM PST by Pericles
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Bump for another Christmas Thread

Merry Christmas to one and all on Freerepublic!!

And a Very Happy New Year!!

As a tradition I always design a Christmas page at this time. This is my 8th, you are all welcome to visit.

Cacique's 8th Annual Christmas page

Merry Christmas to one and all on Freerepublic!!


2 posted on 12/24/2001 9:37:25 PM PST by Cacique
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Nicholas, Saint

Encyclopædia Britannica Article

Flourished 4th century , Myra, Lycia, Asia Minor [near modern Kale (Demre), Turkey]; feast day December 6; also called Nicholas of Bari, Nicholas of Myra, Santa Claus; one of the most popular minor saints commemorated in the Eastern and Western churches, and now traditionally associated with the festival of Christmas. Nicholas' existence is not attested by any historical document, so nothing certain is known of his life....

4 posted on 12/24/2001 10:33:09 PM PST by codeword
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Was Santa Greek? From gift giving to red clothes, Nikolaos of Myra was a model for the modern Santa

Ha! We get one article posted saying he was Turkish, so Pericles has to post one saying he was Greek :-)

Will the rivalry never end?

5 posted on 12/24/2001 10:38:56 PM PST by xm177e2
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I always thought that Santa wore a red suit with white trim because of a certain company's ad camapigns...


6 posted on 12/24/2001 11:25:13 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: xm177e2
I posted this as a X-Mas day fun fact post. I do not know what post you are talking about. I did not know that the 1) Turks were Christians, 2) Named themselves with Greek names (Niko-Victory / Laos-World), 3) Or arrived into Asia Minor 800 years earlier than history records.
7 posted on 12/25/2001 12:11:39 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Redcloak
Christian saints and marketing mascots go hand in hand.
8 posted on 12/25/2001 12:48:23 AM PST by Pericles
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Well, Sinterklaas is not Scandinavian (they don not do Sinterklaas) , but from the Netherlands and the Dutch speaking part of Belgium (Vlaanderen/Flanders). I think that you mixed up the "Dutch version" part with Danish (Denmark). Dutch is the language from the Netherlands (also called Holland).

Sinterklaas was taken over by the English colonists after they kicked out the Dutch from New Amsterdam, also renaming it New York. The English colonists changed it's name to Santa Claus because they cannot say Sinterklaas. But they also replaced the white horse with reindeer and some other things from the old Scandinavian believes, like the Christmas tree. In the Nordic counrties after a pillage tour they hung the things of value in a (pine)tree.

Also in the Netherlands Sinterklaas comes from Spain every year bringing with him his black helpers, called Zwarte Pieten (zwart means black, from when the Moors where still ruling Spain).

9 posted on 12/25/2001 10:07:39 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: xm177e2
Ha! We get one article posted saying he was Turkish, so Pericles has to post one saying he was Greek :-)

Santa was German. In same way that Columbus discovered America. People were here first but Columbus developed the place. Greeks and the Turks have a claim to Santa but Germans were the ones who did something with it: Yule logs,Tannenbaum, Christmas trees,Kris Kringle,Stille Nacht and snow, lots of snow.

10 posted on 12/25/2001 10:19:06 AM PST by LarryLied
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Turks??? What claim?? Not ethinc and you cant claim a saint in a religion no Turk ever belonged to or becuase the area this Greek Saint came from was run over by nomadic Turkic hordes 800 years after the death of the saint in question.
11 posted on 12/25/2001 10:24:14 AM PST by Pericles
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The many myths for St. Nick no doubt were added on as time went by by the cultures of various peoples (note that these nations have a maritime tradition, for St. Nick was patron saint of sailors), but the origins of the man and the foundations of the myth are to be found in the Eastern Roman Empire of the Greeks.
12 posted on 12/25/2001 10:28:57 AM PST by Pericles
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Notice I said Turks and Greeks "have" a claim. Didn't say I made the claim or am taking sides :-)

Now I got to get back to my Glühwein und Stollen.

13 posted on 12/25/2001 10:35:16 AM PST by LarryLied
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I do not know what the two of you are talking about. I can not even imagine anyone claiming Santa Claus was a Turk. I have read in old articles that say Santa's original home was in what is now Turkey, which is correct. But that is not the same as saying he was a Turk by far and again I could not imagine anyone claiming as much other than being ignorant/sloppy about the events of the past, etc.
14 posted on 12/25/2001 11:17:22 AM PST by Pericles
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By the way, I was only puzzled by your statements not angry. Merry Christmas!!!
15 posted on 12/25/2001 11:49:28 AM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles;xm177e2
The thread to which we were referring was posted last week:

Turks Revere an Ancestor: Ol' St. Nick

16 posted on 12/25/2001 11:57:27 AM PST by LarryLied
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To: LarryLied; a_Turk; Shermy; TopQuark; Torie; dandelion; Hamza01; AM2000; Cap'n Crunch; LadyDoc...
Larrylied thanks for that link. I never had read it before. That linked article has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read. Maybe the Turks will take up Christianity next!! :)

Merry Christmas and a happy comming new year to all!!

17 posted on 12/25/2001 10:25:50 PM PST by Pericles
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To: Pericles
Thanks for the Ping
18 posted on 12/26/2001 3:44:52 AM PST by Fiddlstix
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To: Pericles ; a_Turk
Maybe Saint Nick can bring some goodwill to Turkey and Greece . Let the lovefest begin.
19 posted on 12/26/2001 2:22:38 PM PST by Captain Shady
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To: Pericles
That linked article has to be one of the funniest things I have ever read.
Here, I'll make a target for you:

To be a Turk is similar to being an American. We come from many ethnic backgrounds. Are you assuming that the inhabitants of Myra were replaced? They are still the ones that used to be there before the Turks showed up.

Also, check with your school books (probably not the ones printed in Greece): There is such a thing as an indigenous Anatolian population. You favor a way of thinking that makes the whole area Greek. Do you consider the Amazons to be Greek too? How about the Phrygians? And the Lydians?

If you want, I'll put you in touch with Professor Stephen Miller, one of America's most eminent classical archaeologists, who will set you straight.

Anyway, hope you had a merry Christmas and that we'll all have a happy new year.
20 posted on 12/26/2001 2:55:57 PM PST by a_Turk
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