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Couple quit jobs over Christmas dispute
Rochester [NY] Democrat & Chronicle ^ | 12/21/01 | Jack Jones

Posted on 12/26/2001 2:21:58 AM PST by Caleb1411

A husband and wife have resigned from their jobs at Canandaigua Primary School in a dispute over the language of Christmas.

The resignations of Sandy Simmons, a nine-year employee who worked as a cafeteria monitor, and her husband, Francis, a three-year employee working his last shift today in the school kitchen, stem from a memo to school staff written earlier this month by principal Cheryl Eng-Link.

In the memo, Eng-Link wrote that some non-Christian parents had complained of the use of the word Christmas in school correspondence, and she urged teachers and others to avoid the word, including in references to Christmas trees, which Eng-Link said should be called "evergreen trees."

Eng-Link directed school employees to use "more secular language" when referring to the season.

"We just decided that we couldn't accept the district's policy about this," Sandy Simmons said yesterday.

"My husband and I are very simple, quiet people and we don't want to cause anybody any problems. But when the school district has a policy of telling people what they can and can't say ... It frightens me."

A Canandaigua City School District spokesman yesterday reiterated the district's support of Eng-Link's directive.

Andy Thomas said that the district hasn't banned school employees using the word Christmas, but teachers and others are being urged to use "more neutral language" when talking about the subject with children who may come from non-Christian homes.

"It's unfortunate that this whole issue has created feelings of misunderstanding in the community," said Thomas, adding that the district has received numerous letters, e-mails and phone calls stemming from news reports about Eng-Link's memo.

Thomas said that wishing Merry Christmas to children from Christian homes "is appropriate and has not been banned."

"But in cases where the faith of the child isn't known, we want to try to make sure that we create an environment where a student isn't made to feel isolated or uncomfortablebecause of his or her faith."

Thomas said that district officials have accepted the resignations of Francis and Sandy Simmons.

"We're sorry it has come to this, but they feel obviously that it's important to live by beliefs that they strongly hold," he said. "We believe that our policy is a fair and reasonable one, but Mr. and Mrs. Simmons have made an honorable decision because they can't abide by that policy."

Sandy Simmons said the decision to resign "was especially hard for me, because I love my kids."

She said both she and her husband made the decision after she spoke out against the policy at last week's school board meeting and then was asked by district officials to meet with them.

"They told me they didn't think I understood what was being told to me, but I know what I was told about not wishing kids Merry Christmas," she said. "They talk so much in the school about character education, and that's a good thing. But telling Christians not to say Merry Christmas or even Christmas tree -- that's not accepting people for who and what they are. It's not fair to the children."


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1 posted on 12/26/2001 2:21:58 AM PST by Caleb1411
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To: BibChr; MHGinTN; *Christian_list
" . . .But telling Christians not to say Merry Christmas or even Christmas tree -- that's not accepting people for who and what they are. It's not fair to the children."

Nor is it legal.

Here's the ACLJ's Holiday School Letter, telling our self-appointed guardians of culture what they can't proscribe in their PC pogroms.

2 posted on 12/26/2001 2:26:48 AM PST by Caleb1411
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To: *Christian_list
For those who wish to disagree or agree respectfully,

Canandaigua Primary School

Canandaigua City School District, whose web page-proclaimed mission ". . .is to maximize the educational success and the character development of all students to prepare them to become contributing, productive citizens."

3 posted on 12/26/2001 2:37:08 AM PST by Caleb1411
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To: Caleb1411
My answer to that twit Eng-Link, and the Canandaigua Primary School system:

IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT

I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept.11,we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However,the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to America. Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants. However,there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.

This idea of America being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Americans, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.

This culture has been developed over centuries of struggles,trials,and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom. We speak ENGLISH,not Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian,or any other language.

Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, learn the language!

"In God We Trust" is our national motto. This is not some Christian,right wing, political slogan. We adopted this motto because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.

If Stars and Stripes offend you, or you don't like Uncle Sam, then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change,and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. This is OUR COUNTRY, our land, and our lifestyle.

Our First Amendment gives every citizen the right to express his opinion and we will allow you every opportunity to do so. But, once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about our flag, our pledge, our national motto, or our way of life, I highly encourage you to take advantage of one other great American freedom, THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.

4 posted on 12/26/2001 2:38:40 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: Caleb1411
The ACLJ letter should be required reading by every School Board in America.
5 posted on 12/26/2001 2:49:34 AM PST by CatoRenasci
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To: Caleb1411
you can FReep the principal at 585-396-3930.
6 posted on 12/26/2001 3:08:15 AM PST by Revelation 911
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To: Caleb1411
It is absolutely ridiculous of parents to think that they can rear their children in a world where they will never be offended, besides the fact the school district is totally pc
7 posted on 12/26/2001 3:12:31 AM PST by tutstar
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To: chainsaw
"Our population is almost entirely comprised of descendants of immigrants."

Actually, our population is ENTIRELY comprised of descendants of immigrants. Some immigrated 10,000 years ago, and some later, but ALL immigrated here from somewhere else.

8 posted on 12/26/2001 3:13:19 AM PST by Wonder Warthog
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To: Caleb1411
well, not saying 'Merry Christmas', offends me!
9 posted on 12/26/2001 3:16:45 AM PST by Dittohead_2
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To: Wonder Warthog
Actually, our population is ENTIRELY comprised of descendants of immigrants.

Actually there are immigrants in this country that are not descendants from any era. Many have been in the US for only hours, others perhaps for years. Did you graduate form a public school?

10 posted on 12/26/2001 3:27:47 AM PST by chainsaw
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To: chainsaw
IMMIGRANTS, NOT AMERICANS, MUST ADAPT I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Sept.11,we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Americans. However,the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others.

DITTO!!!!!!

11 posted on 12/26/2001 3:31:39 AM PST by timestax
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To: Caleb1411
I've been reading all these threads about the use (or rather non-use) of the word Christmas on FR for the last week or so.

I find it rather peculiar, but when you live in Ireland with a 90% Catholic population, I guess I would.

What I can't understand is why people are so pedantic about words. Christmas is just a *word*. Using that word in front of children will not hurt, influence or offend them.

The meaning of Christmas and what it stands for is instilled in the home, I believe. Those who are non-Christian obviously won't be celebrating it in those terms, so I can't understand the big deal. I really can't. Some people are just so pedantic over small stuff that it makes my head spin.

12 posted on 12/26/2001 3:40:47 AM PST by Happygal
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....."We're sorry it has come to this, but they feel obviously that it's important to live by beliefs that they strongly hold,"

I know that if it were I, I too would certainly feel that I could not work for someone either who demonstrated that they were intending to be so intolerant of my beliefs as a christian.

IMO, Christians had better wake up and band together before it is way too late and start putting these unabashed and unashamed Christ haters in check and out of positions of power over us and our children.
13 posted on 12/26/2001 3:46:49 AM PST by Ron H.
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Let's make Christmas day an excused absence for children of Christian families, no others. Have school in session as normal right through new years day. Screw up those winter vacations so many enjoy and see how they like that.
14 posted on 12/26/2001 3:46:55 AM PST by Flyer
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To: chainsaw
Nice rant. Well-said. Merry Christmas.
15 posted on 12/26/2001 3:49:37 AM PST by RightOnline
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To: Flyer
Christmas is the NAME of the day. Will these PCers also advocate banning the NAMES of Ramadan and Hannahca (sp) too?
16 posted on 12/26/2001 3:52:00 AM PST by Carolinamom
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To: Caleb1411
I have always used "more neutral language" when speaking with people "who may come from non-Christian homes." This is merely a matter of common courtesy.

However, when people start telling Christians not to say "Merry Christmas" or to refer to "Christmas trees", they are asking for trouble--and abandoning common courtesy.

And when government starts doing this, it blatently violates freedom of speech and Constitutionally recognized God-given inalienable rights--and I intend to ignore any such intrusion and say what I damn well please.

17 posted on 12/26/2001 3:52:55 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Caleb1411
In the memo, Eng-Link wrote that some non-Christian parents had complained of the use of the word Christmas in school correspondence, and she urged teachers and others to avoid the word, including in references to Christmas trees, which Eng-Link said should be called "evergreen trees."

Speaking as a Non-Christian, I would like to invite Ms. Eng-Link to kindly f*** herself.

This is ridiculous, people. They are Christmas trees. Thats what they are. They are an ingrained, cultural aspect of this countries celebration of the season. Get...the HELL...over it, damn liberals. Suck it the hell up. If you are uncomfortable with displays of Christmasy stuff in school..that's YOUR problem to work out. Consider it a valuable growth opportunity in "coping."

This is just one of a million reasons why we need to abandon public schooling...someone here already said it best..immigrants need to adapt to America, not the other way around.
18 posted on 12/26/2001 3:52:57 AM PST by WyldKard
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Me too! I deeply resent it.
19 posted on 12/26/2001 3:53:56 AM PST by Savage Beast
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To: Happygal
I think it's a case of the minority dictating to the majority. Also, of immigrants coming here and not assimilating. When my grandparents came here from Italy, it was made known to them from day one that they should assimilate or they would be "personae non grata."

If the 10% minority in your country started screaming "hate crime" and "racist" every time things did not go their way, I think you would understand.

That's a daily fact of life here. And, it is perpetuated by the liberals for purposes of government funding and votes.

20 posted on 12/26/2001 3:54:58 AM PST by dansangel
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