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  • A Blast from the Past: "B.C." and Good Friday

    04/18/2014 3:32:16 AM PDT · 3 of 5
    21twelve to hoagy62

    Even years ago I was always surprised to see something like that in the newspaper!

    In the sermon tonight, something the preacher said made me think of how Jesus, while not wanting to go through with it (”but Thy will, not mine”) - He was, in the end, going to get to be back home with his Father. Not sure I had ever thought about that before.

    The other thing I almost always think on Maundy Thursday is how quickly things can change. One day they are throwing you a parade, and five days later they are whisking you away in the middle of the night.

  • Activists to UMich: Admit unqualified students, if they are black

    04/18/2014 1:38:47 AM PDT · 17 of 33
    21twelve to I still care

    I was thinking about this with the President of Western Washington University wanting to be “less white”. You get the white suburban kids and these disadvantaged black youth.

    In five years, the white kids graduate and leave. The black kids are two years behind and stay on. Do that a few cycles and pretty soon he’ll reach his goal.

  • Hank Aaron compares Republicans and other Obama opponents to KKK

    04/18/2014 1:34:07 AM PDT · 64 of 64
    21twelve to cdcdawg

    “Maybe if you explain your support of Mia Love or Ben Carson to them one more time they will stop calling you a racist.”

    “Well sure - all you crackers LOVE your Uncle Tom’s!!”

  • Is Cattlemen Armed Insurrection the New Form of American Protest? (Amazing!)

    04/18/2014 12:24:28 AM PDT · 24 of 37
    21twelve to greeneyes

    “Well, during the Vietnam protests there were agitators who were specifically trying to provoke authorities into over reacting...”

    Good point. It doesn’t mean ONLY a Fed operator, but a wacko like that KKK guy that shot up that Jewish center or someone similar. Trying to provoke a civil war or whatever for their own purposes.

  • Is Cattlemen Armed Insurrection the New Form of American Protest? (Amazing!)

    04/17/2014 11:45:48 PM PDT · 21 of 37
    21twelve to greeneyes
    Responsible people with guns are just that. They typically don't scream and yell and toss rocks. They are responsible. And the threshold of violence goes up quite a bit when one is armed. I have known people to get in fist fights over words. That is an unwise thing to do when armed.

    I imagine that some on the BLM side of things understood that as well. The guns that the cowboys and the militia and the wives and daughters had were not for show. They were for their protection if so needed.

    It would not surprise me that at some time in the future the Feds will need to install provocateurs into the people's ranks in order to fire the first shot.

    Like the reports of snipers at Kent State. When no tangible evidence existed for that.

    Hmm. Seems like when a group of Feds IS facing an enemy with known or presumed snipers, they are less willing to fight.

  • What the Networks Aren't Telling You About the Nevada Cattle Battle

    04/17/2014 11:31:14 PM PDT · 48 of 49
    21twelve to saywhatagain

    Not sure if you went to the original thread (from years ago) that has the entire long essay. The essay is entitled “The Revolution Was”. And Obama is just trying to finishing what FDR could not complete.

    Every section in that essay I read and think “Obama and his solar handouts”. “Obama attacking the wealthy”. “Obama ‘defending’ the helpless.” MANY of the phrases that FDR used in his speeches are the same that Obama uses.

  • WATCH: Bono's Unexpected Response to 'Who Is Jesus?' Question

    04/17/2014 9:14:55 PM PDT · 161 of 168
    21twelve to MarineBrat
    “...and my lawyer in the courtroom of God.”

    He could also be the guy that steps in and says “Hey Judge - I'll serve his time.”

    The other week we were jotting down all of the names of Christ. Lots of “contradictions” in there. Of course, it just means He's done it all and knows ALL that we go through.

    Counselor
    Servant
    King
    Shepherd
    Sheep
    Ruler
    Refugee
    Mediator

  • What the Networks Aren't Telling You About the Nevada Cattle Battle

    04/17/2014 9:05:27 PM PDT · 40 of 49
    21twelve to saywhatagain

    I just posted the following on another thread where the entire 1939 essay on the New Deal is (see my tagline!).

    I figured there would be a parallel from the essay on the Bundy Ranch affair. And there is:

    “Business is in itself a power. In a free economic system it is an autonomous power, and generally hostile to any extension of government power. That is why a revolutionary party has to do something with it....Always in business there will be a number, indeed, an astonishing number, who would sooner conform than resist [49 out of 50 ranchers in Bundy’s county?], and besides these there will be always a few more who may be called the Quislings of capitalism. Neither Hitler nor Mussolini ever attempted to liquidate business. They only deprived it of its power and made it serve.

    “How seriously the New Deal may have considered the possibility of liquidating business we do not know. Its decision, at any rate, was to embrace the alternative; and the alternative was to shackle it.

    In his second annual message to Congress the President said: “In the past few months, as a result of our action, we have demanded of many citizens that they surrender certain licenses to do as they please in their business relationships; but we have asked this in exchange for the protection which the State can give against exploitation by their fellow men or by combinations of their fellow men.”

    “....There, unconsciously perhaps, is a complete statement of the revolutionary thesis. It is not a question of law. It is a question of power. There must be a transfer of power. The President speaks not of laws; he speaks of new instruments of power, such as would provide shackles for the liberties of the people if they should ever fall in other hands. What then has the government done? Instead of limiting by law the power of what it calls economic autocracy the government itself has seized the power.”

  • THE REVOLUTION WAS(Profound essay on the New Deal- LONG READ)

    04/17/2014 8:55:13 PM PDT · 40 of 40
    21twelve to quimby

    Thank you for the reminder of this thread. For the longest time I would cut and paste from it, as EVERYTHING that our government does NOW can be compared with this great essay from 1939 on the New Deal. I truly believe that Obama treats the New Deal like Christians view the Bible. An inspiration, a “how to” manual, etc.

    I figured there would be a parallel from this essay on the Bundy Ranch affair. And there is:

    “Business is in itself a power. In a free economic system it is an autonomous power, and generally hostile to any extension of government power. That is why a revolutionary party has to do something with it....Always in business there will be a number, indeed, an astonishing number, who would sooner conform than resist [49 out of 50 ranchers in Bundy’s county?], and besides these there will be always a few more who may be called the Quislings of capitalism. Neither Hitler nor Mussolini ever attempted to liquidate business. They only deprived it of its power and made it serve.

    How seriously the New Deal may have considered the possibility of liquidating business we do not know. Its decision, at any rate, was to embrace the alternative; and the alternative was to shackle it.

    In his second annual message to Congress the President said: “In the past few months, as a result of our action, we have demanded of many citizens that they surrender certain licenses to do as they please in their business relationships; but we have asked this in exchange for the protection which the State can give against exploitation by their fellow men or by combinations of their fellow men.”

    “....There, unconsciously perhaps, is a complete statement of the revolutionary thesis. It is not a question of law. It is a question of power. There must be a transfer of power. The President speaks not of laws; he speaks of new instruments of power, such as would provide shackles for the liberties of the people if they should ever fall in other hands. What then has the government done? Instead of limiting by law the power of what it calls economic autocracy the government itself has seized the power.”

  • Desert Tortoise vs. Grazing Cattle

    04/16/2014 9:52:16 PM PDT · 5 of 43
    21twelve to Hugin

    Back in the day I would hunt rabbit and grouse. Both had their natural population cycles of boom and bust (4 and 6 years or something.) It would not surprise me if this tortoise is similar - but with a cycle a lot longer due to their lifespan.

  • Desert Tortoise vs. Grazing Cattle

    04/16/2014 9:49:46 PM PDT · 4 of 43
    21twelve to Ray76

    This tortoise spends 8 months out of the year in their hole sleeping.

    No WONDER the Democrat gov’t. loves it so much - it fits their voter base.

  • I want to preempt any no-knock raid by my LEO in my county

    04/16/2014 9:17:36 PM PDT · 48 of 62
    21twelve to Organic Panic

    All this talk about blow up dolls.

    Why would the Secret Service be interested in high electrical bills?

  • Alaska to sue Interior Department for road to reach medical aid

    04/16/2014 8:29:16 PM PDT · 23 of 31
    21twelve to kiryandil

    Well, it was to aid in the search for survivors. And the landslide already did 300 acres of damage. But I was still impressed with the “get-er-done” nature.

  • Alaska to sue Interior Department for road to reach medical aid

    04/16/2014 7:15:28 PM PDT · 12 of 31
    21twelve to WMarshal

    Here in Washington State at the Oso Landslide, the locals started building a road around the toe of it (up on an opposite hillside) right away. A mile or two of gravel road in four or five days if I recall. Not sure who’s property it was, or if anyone really cared at the time.

  • EXCLUSIVE: Did Feds Kill Rancher's Cows, Dig Mass Grave?

    04/16/2014 5:52:29 PM PDT · 30 of 87
    21twelve to the_Watchman

    “...killing the herd would be seen as pure spite on behalf of the the Feds.”

    Hey - if it’s good enough for FDR, it’s good enough for Obama.

  • Stoned mom avoids jail after driving 12 miles with baby on roof

    04/16/2014 2:28:20 PM PDT · 51 of 54
    21twelve to subterfuge

    It took me TWO pairs of Ray-Bans to figure out that you NEVER set ANYTHING on your car.

  • Should you pay more taxes if you don't have kids?

    04/16/2014 2:20:53 PM PDT · 50 of 54
    21twelve to American Infidel

    I once asked the two spinster sisters living next to me growing up if it bothered them to pay taxes for the schools.

    They said “Oh no! If I want the future of America to be as good as it was for me, I want you kids to get good educations, etc.”

    Made sense to me then. Now, when I see the waste involved, I have willed myself to vote NO on any school budget increases. With all of the fancy open architecture, pavilions and stuff at the 2-year old local high school, they are already saying they are “out-of-room” and need to add on! (Not to mention the sculptures, the award winning home-econ area with four complete, state of the art industrial stainless steel kitchens, four assistant principals, etc.)

  • MIKE BLOOMBERG: 'I've Earned My Place In Heaven — It's Not Even Close'

    04/16/2014 12:18:55 AM PDT · 21 of 57
    21twelve to 21twelve

    My bad, I missed the part about Bloomberg saying “..if there is a God...” I think once you reach the Pearly Gates it might be a .0000001 second too late to determine that.

    Heh. Wouldn’t it be interesting if people were thrown into a hell “of their own making”? Bloomberg could be tossed into some crime infested place without a weapon. Or in a womb with an ever-lasting abortion taking place on him.

  • MIKE BLOOMBERG: 'I've Earned My Place In Heaven — It's Not Even Close'

    04/16/2014 12:14:06 AM PDT · 20 of 57
    21twelve to P-Marlowe

    I can just see St. Peter now.

    Bloomberg. Bloomberg.

    Oh yes - here it is.

    Arrogant.
    Conceited.
    Prideful.

    And worst of all, you trampled on the God- given right, yes - GOD given, right of men to have guns with which to protect themselves, their family, and their Freedoms.

    (I don’t FOR SURE know Bloomberg’s soul, so I’ll let St. Pete determine the final outcome.)

  • Vanity: It's snowing (MD suburbs of DC)

    04/15/2014 9:18:08 PM PDT · 37 of 39
    21twelve to JDoutrider

    I saw this afternoon it was 18 in McGregor. Never thought you’d have to auger through the ice for fish opener!

  • Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    04/15/2014 9:15:31 PM PDT · 241 of 245
    21twelve to jayrunner

    “Sometime later, food and housing were removed from the Index and voila, we had lower inflation.”

    I heard on Mark Levin that the Census Bureau is going to be revamping, and “improving” things next year when it comes to determining how well people’s health insurance is doing for them.

    Sadly though, there will be no way to compare it with the years prior. What are the odds that they received this new mandate - and JUST when it was most crucial to be able to provide good comparisons.

  • Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    04/15/2014 9:08:23 PM PDT · 240 of 245
    21twelve to null and void
    They became knowledgeable REAL quick. My one daughter can get too sucked in by it “What gives the stupid government the right to....” (like her old man!).

    My other daughter doesn't get too riled up by it, but we spend time looking at the net and stuff on things like that to get them educated.

    With the Bundy Ranch thing, it seems that it didn't have much play in most media.

  • Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

    04/14/2014 10:52:18 PM PDT · 100 of 245
    21twelve to null and void

    I just saw that sceane last week - my daughter (16!) and a friend were spending an overnight and two days watching a bounch of old vcr’s on the portable tv with the built-in vcr. I made them pause it and was ranting how “This is EXACTLY what is going on down on Bundy’s ranch, and blah, blah. blah.”

    “Um, Dad. Whose ranch?”

  • RED RIVER RUMBLE? BLM Wants to Seize 90,000 Acres of Texas Ranchers’ Land!

    04/14/2014 12:53:43 AM PDT · 115 of 128
    21twelve to greeneyes; Marcella

    “When the creek changes east or west, my boundary line would change so that it’s in the middle of the current path of the creek.”

    And the MOST important thing, is that you, and the people out west, still have access to the water. Although not sure how that works if it only extends to the brush line? Perhaps there is another river nearby to the south to provide for the Texans.

    If it was me, and the feds wanted to get the land between me and my backyard neighbor (the jerk!), I’m pretty sure that we would BOTH figure something out between ourselves to keep the feds out of our backyards. (Hey - I’m a “NIMBY”!)

  • UTAH WOMAN ARRESTED AFTER 7 DEAD BABIES FOUND

    04/13/2014 7:26:52 PM PDT · 26 of 31
    21twelve to Psalm 73

    Not dead babies, but I got all sorts of stuff in my garage - and my kids don’t have any idea what’s in them. Back in the day that was how I would spend an afternoon - scrounging through all the cool stuff my old man had in the garage.

    Rainy days were spent in the basement!

  • What is your crazy "get in trouble as a kid" story?

    04/13/2014 12:13:32 PM PDT · 159 of 162
    21twelve to mrs. a; Lazmataz

    Not me, but an older brother of a friend; glued, taped and nailed a bunch of crap to a block of wood. Wires, antennas, buttons, lights - whatever. It was his “mom-control device”.

    We’re out playing in their front yard and the mom comes out to yell at him (she was nasty) to get back inside to clean his room.

    He takes his device, and in his best robot voice says “Mommy - you will clean my room now.” Even 4 years younger than him I knew that was a stupid move.

    She grabbed the first thing she could find in the toy-strewn yard - a Wilson tennis racket. Beat him silly with it until the bracket broke.

    Years later she ended up in the nuthouse, and the older boy in prison.

  • Why The Feds Chickened Out On A Nevada Ranch

    04/13/2014 1:40:35 AM PDT · 139 of 298
    21twelve to ponygirl

    “And he came really close to getting people killed here.”

    But the college boy did manage to kill 138 head of cattle. Not bad for a few days worth of work. I hope that someone brings cruelty of animals charges up on them. Somewhere I read where some guy killed a pig and got five years. 138 cattle should be life then.

  • Why The Feds Chickened Out On A Nevada Ranch

    04/13/2014 1:37:29 AM PDT · 138 of 298
    21twelve to Darksheare

    I was going to tell you it is Barrick Gold Mining (huge!). But see that you figured that out!

  • Why The Feds Chickened Out On A Nevada Ranch

    04/13/2014 1:05:06 AM PDT · 119 of 298
    21twelve to Ray76; TigersEye

    I’m guessing tiger meant “peruse”.

  • Will Obama’s Obsession with “Illegal Cattle Grazing” Drive US to Civil War?

    04/13/2014 12:16:11 AM PDT · 29 of 40
    21twelve to RedHeeler

    I had a professor back in Colorado in the early 80’s that said one day we would be fighting over water. I didn’t think it would be against our own government. Thinking about it now - perhaps he did? (Knowing the type of guy that he was).

  • Americans Buy Enough Guns in Last Two Months to Outfit the Entire Chinese and Indian Armies

    04/12/2014 11:15:01 PM PDT · 174 of 175
    21twelve to Mr. K

    “Tragic.

    Impossible to verify, but tragic still.”

    I’m pretty sure those “Bitcoin” guys lost theirs in a boating accident as well.

  • WATCH: Was This The Biggest ‘Wheel of Fortune’ EPIC FAIL in History? (Video)

    04/12/2014 10:40:45 PM PDT · 31 of 37
    21twelve to montag813

    In first seeing the phrase I’m not sure I would have remembered it was a Person, and that the R was taken. I thought car as well in the rush to answer it. (Did he have to rush?).

    I thought the Achilles and “dice spin” thing were pretty stupid though.

  • What is your crazy "get in trouble as a kid" story?

    04/12/2014 10:27:26 PM PDT · 110 of 162
    21twelve to Bassfire

    I had just bought my first 4x4 truck. Was driving it around the mountains in Colorado on some narrow, muddy roads. Got all turned around and couldn’t figure out how to get out of the maze of trails. I ended up seeing the road way down a grassy slope and made it down okay, but with big, deep, brown muddy ruts tracing down the long green slope. Across the sidewalk in between two condos and tracking mud down the street.

    All my old man said was “maybe we should drive out onto the freeway before we head back to our condo”. We had driven down one of the ski slopes at Vail! (We found a car wash up in Eagle too!)

  • What is your crazy "get in trouble as a kid" story?

    04/12/2014 10:19:12 PM PDT · 108 of 162
    21twelve to rlmorel

    “I think she must have thought we were just crazy.”

    What a great story. I bet those Japanese riot police were also wondering what the heck was going on - getting hosted by a couple of 8 year olds!

    Speaking of food, I used to sneak out of the house on Sunday mornings to avoid going to church. Always ended up at the old couple’s house opposite our back yard and two doors down. Just about the time I had finished off my pancakes my Dad would come walking over. I’m guessing I was only 4 or 5 or something. Never did get out of missing church!

  • Deal reached; BLM will release confiscated cattle to rancher

    04/12/2014 8:28:59 PM PDT · 175 of 189
    21twelve to Nik Naym

    Oh - I’m sorry I thought you were the original miss-speller. I try to spell correctly - and I do notice when others don’t. BUT - seeing those signs from the ranch puts spelling errors into perspective.

    I have just begun to read a book about the Lewis and Clark Expedition. In the forward it warns that Lewis’ spelling and grammar isn’t the best - but he moves the story along well. I guess!

    And yes - I had the same chuckle at the image of a couple of surfer dudes in front of the King. (Come to think of it - I think there WAS a goofy comedy along those lines with time-travel, etc.)

  • What is your crazy "get in trouble as a kid" story?

    04/12/2014 8:20:13 PM PDT · 83 of 162
    21twelve to Slyfox

    My mom (RIP) talks about the time her mom told the four girls to get ready while she got a switch from the lilac bush. Her mom walks in, switch in hand, confronted by bent-over bare bums ranging in age from 7 to 14. My mom recalls her breaking down in laughter on the floor!

    I would run around the house to try to get away from my spankings. Running through the kitchen once I grabbed a flat tin pot cover and got it shoved into my pants. I’m guessing I was five or six.

    Visiting my mom before she died we were going over some of our antics as kids. She didn’t recall that one with the lid - but she did say “Well, I remember spanking you one time and my hand REALLY hurt! Maybe that was it!”

    (And no - I didn’t tell my mom a week before she died ALL of the stories!). Sorry mom. I suppose you know them now! Thanks for a great life.

    I have a photo of me strapping a flag pole with an American flag on top of a 60-foot pine tree that was in our backyard. I was probably 14 at the time. And my MOM was taking the picture! What sort of mom lets their kids DO stuff like that!!??

  • What is your crazy "get in trouble as a kid" story?

    04/12/2014 8:04:54 PM PDT · 69 of 162
    21twelve to Sapwolf

    I was about 5th grade when I got caught shoplifting. My buddy couldn’t sit down for a week. I couldn’t look my dad in the eye for a week - he too was so disappointed.

    For the rest of my school years I wouldn’t even pick up a pencil off the ground in case someone might come looking for it. I think my buddy progressed to stealing bigger and better things after he moved away.

    I think it was about the 6th grade that I finally “got” part of what Christ was about. Thank goodness, or I would have progressed from the bad things I did to even worse. But as I said previously - not perfect in my later years. But - no more fires or vandalism, no stealing, no fighting. Drinking and doing stupid things took a while to overcome years later.

  • What is your crazy "get in trouble as a kid" story?

    04/12/2014 7:57:29 PM PDT · 63 of 162
    21twelve to yarddog

    I’ll probably be stopping every five posts. Fire was big with me a a boy. I recall setting fire to a 50’ x 50’ patch of tall dry grass in between the baseball fields. Used a pack of matches and a cigarette for the “delay fuse”. (Cigarettes were in a pouch in our second-grade teacher’s purse. I thought it was a coin purse when I stole it!)

    Anyway, set the “fuse” and then walked the long way around to go “watch the baseball game”. I recall almost leaving with my buddy as it took so long and figured it had failed.

    But then - a faint trace of smoke! We waited for someone else to spot it, but wondering if we should be the “hereos” that saw it first. The fire department came but it just burned the dry grass patch.

    Several years later they were putting in a development in some woods we played in. Forts, a little creek, etc. After continuing to pull up all of the survey stakes they kept putting them back in. We then figured the “scotched earth policy” was best. About an hour later the thing was really going and we watched the thick black smoke billow up into the sky from four blocks away.

    I believe that was my last fire (probably 4th or 5th grade). That one scared us. And of course - looking back it could have killed someone!

    Wasn’t the last of the stupid things I did though. A friend of my college-age son’s was out late last night and climbing on an old industrial structure in the dark. He slipped at fell 50 feet, hitting all sorts of pipes and stuff on the way down. No broken bones - except a fractured skull. But he can respond to verbal commands such as wiggle your toes, fingers, etc. Along with grunting.

    I hope that he will recover. And I told my son and my other kids that I did ALL sorts of stupid stuff like that when I was a kid. And that EASILY could have been me. I hope that the other kids that were hanging out and screwing around with him aren’t too guilt-ridden. (”Why didn’t we just go home”, “how come I let him go up there”, etc.) Oh - and no drinking involved - just being stupid.

  • Deal reached; BLM will release confiscated cattle to rancher

    04/12/2014 6:21:50 PM PDT · 149 of 189
    21twelve to Nik Naym; varina davis

    Seeing the poor wording and grammar in the Militia’s signs, and Ms. Bundy’s internet post that she sent out to explain things made me proud. Ms. Bundy’s post I imagine was written in haste, to rally the troops.

    And it shows that TRUE Americans don’t need to have a fancy education like those BLM college boys. Or the Senators from Ivy Schools. They are ordinary, hard-working people that know what is right. And what is wrong. And willing to stand up for it. I will not look down my nose at good people that may not get the spelling correct on a word they have use maybe six times (cerf, surf, serf) - or can’t remember the rules for “i before e”. (A seismic shift in thinking for some I suppose.)

  • Live now,press conference Bundy Ranch [live video action in Nevada]

    04/12/2014 2:41:04 PM PDT · 291 of 350
    21twelve to pnz1

    The daughter was worried about her cattle. She said some of them are more like pets. She said some of the older bulls under stress (if you push too hard) will just lay down, and nothing you can do will move them. Obviously she learned that the hard way years ago. Of course the college boys at the BLM know better.

    I hope that they bring them all up on Cruelty to Animal charges.

  • Live now,press conference Bundy Ranch [live video action in Nevada]

    04/12/2014 2:37:25 PM PDT · 287 of 350
    21twelve to tcrlaf

    “138 head of cattle have died, 2 non-compliant bulls were shot by BLM.”

    No dogs around I guess??

    Those dead cattle need to be shown up close on FOX news, bloating up in the desert heat. He didn’t have that many to start with - that will be a huge hit on his pocketbook.

    The BLM guys probably looked at all the dead cattle and said “Okay, we can go now. Our job is done.”

  • Teen Sells 3.85-Carat Yellow Diamond She Found At Gem Park For $20,000

    04/12/2014 12:40:34 AM PDT · 42 of 60
    21twelve to kcvl

    Well - that one guy DOES look like he is going to jump!

    Lots of pretty places all around - spent time in the Ozarks in southern Missouri - great place.

  • BREAKING: Airspace Over Bundy Ranch Now A No-Fly Zone (NOTAM Issued!)

    04/11/2014 9:14:09 PM PDT · 167 of 555
    21twelve to rolling_stone

    Except today, with Conservatives singing the song, it is “we’ve got the guns, and we got the numbers.”

  • Woman run down by freight train while running on the tracks with headphones on

    04/11/2014 4:52:13 PM PDT · 71 of 73
    21twelve to Dilbert San Diego

    I was talking to an train engineer. He said people are aware that roads have traffic on them - they see it all the time, and are careful; starting off as little children.

    But train tracks are different. Most people only encounter train tracks rarely. And when they do - they are almost always empty of trains. So there is not a perceived threat. The keyword of course being “almost”.

  • Militias head to Nevada rancher’s standoff with feds: We’re not ‘afraid to shoot’

    04/11/2014 4:45:28 PM PDT · 284 of 383
    21twelve to B4Ranch

    A friend has a ranch in Oregon and runs on BLM land. Years ago he had to keep his cattle away from the creeks. And BLM cleaned up all of the “crap” in the creeks. Fallen timber, big boulders, etc. The rancher was trying to explain to them that the trout liked that “crap”. And having the cows in the creek stirs up the bottom and keeps it from getting silted in.

    10 years later the BLM was back in after the trout numbers had dropped. I imagine they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on studies. They put all of the “crap” back into the creeks and let him run cattle again. The trout bounced back.

  • Boston Marathon victim storms off Meet the Press set after interview ambush

    04/11/2014 4:35:18 PM PDT · 47 of 65
    21twelve to driftdiver

    “Or you can go back to stone tablets.”

    Or lose elections. Many believe that it was Obama’s use of huge amounts of data and electronic media that enabled them to get out the vote and win. Probably used to get out the vote more than once.

    #vote4me: “Bus no.8, leaves Deerborn to Detroit at 8am. Free cigs.”

    #vote4me: “Vanpools from Detroit to North Heights at 10am, free soda. Don’t forget, no ‘Che Guevara’ t-shirts”.

    That is what WE need to be doing - but legally.

    #rightvote: “District 16 exit polls are close - who needs a ride?”

  • BREAKING: Jury acquits Spokane man of shooting fleeing car thief

    04/11/2014 11:58:44 AM PDT · 85 of 87
    21twelve to GJones2

    “On second thought I wish I’d just said the law is confusing rather than taken the time to exemplify it in such detail.”

    You DID say you were not a lawyer! I just had to sign what should have been some pretty simple papers from a lawyer. I think they make it complicated just so they are hired so they can interpret them. I’m sure the wording in the law is they are trying to be “precise” - but it sure doesn’t come across like that.

    There was a case in Yakima, Washington where some gift shop(?) was getting robbed all the time. So the owner started sleeping at the store. Sure enough, some teenager broke in and started grabbing stuff. The owner woke up and the kid was already on his bike riding down the street by the time the owner was up and ready.

    The owner opened up with his shotgun and killed the thief from 150 feet as he was riding away. He had a few handmade belts and western buckles in his jacket. Not Guilty. The local gang population and their mom’s were not happy about that of course.

  • Shoe thrown at Hillary Clinton during keynote speech

    04/10/2014 10:51:56 PM PDT · 11 of 37
    21twelve to dayglored

    http://www.revcom.us/a/v19/920-29/927/che.htm

    The papers that she threw, along with the shoe, talked about a project in 1967 in Bolivia. Same year Che was killed.

    Sounds like a loon.

  • BREAKING: Jury acquits Spokane man of shooting fleeing car thief

    04/10/2014 8:59:18 PM PDT · 67 of 87
    21twelve to 21twelve; narses

    ping to post 66. The stuff you posted pertains to police and people aiding the police. Post 66 has the law as pertains to this case I think. Well - not really, as Mr. Gerlach claimed self-defense.

    I was wondering if the jury had not believed that it was in self-defense, if his attorneys could have brought up the ACTUAL LAW - that says the shooting didn’t need to be a self-defense issue. Or perhaps that would have been for another trial.

    Regardless - glad for a happy ending - but with a year of his life ruined. Saw on his facebook page he is out having dinner with his wife and friends. What a relief!

  • BREAKING: Jury acquits Spokane man of shooting fleeing car thief

    04/10/2014 8:53:58 PM PDT · 66 of 87
    21twelve to 21twelve

    For Washington State. The “fleeing felon” rule is for police officers - not citizens.

    Legislative recognition: “The legislature recognizes that RCW 9A.16.040 establishes a dual standard with respect to the use of deadly force by peace officers and private citizens, and further recognizes that private citizens’ permissible use of deadly force under the authority of RCW 9.01.200, 9A.16.020, or 9A.16.050 is not restricted and remains broader than the limitations imposed on peace officers.” [1986 c 209 § 3.]

    9A.16.050
    Homicide — By other person — When justifiable.

    Homicide is also justifiable when committed either:

    (1) In the lawful defense of the slayer, or his or her husband, wife, parent, child, brother, or sister, or of any other person in his or her presence or company, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design on the part of the person slain to commit a felony or to do some great personal injury to the slayer or to any such person, and there is imminent danger of such design being accomplished; or

    (2) In the actual resistance of an attempt to commit a felony upon the slayer, in his or her presence, or upon or in a dwelling, or other place of abode, in which he or she is.

    [2011 c 336 § 354; 1975 1st ex.s. c 260 § 9A.16.050.]