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Posts by A.J.Armitage

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  • Libertarians Need to Rethink Support for Drug Legalization

    12/26/2009 4:08:20 PM PST · 139 of 139
    A.J.Armitage to thefactor
    You posted idiocy, IMHO. This is a thread about drugs. You posted about booze. Do you see them as the same?


    Of course alcohol is a drug.

    It seems then that a black market in a drug is an entirely apt comparison, after all.

    However, when any reasonable person says to another reasonable person, “I want to go take some drugs,” what would immediately come to mind? A shot of vodka? I think not.

    You're right, I don't think of alcohol, or nicotine, or caffeine, even though I know these things are drugs. I also don't think of marijuana. Marijuana, like the legal drugs, is common enough (and, I'll say it, mainstream enough) that we ordinarily call it by its own name, as distinct from other less popular activities. That's why we call marijuana and the legal drugs "soft", as opposed to other drugs which are called "hard". If we're going to follow common usage, why not that distinction? But we should remember that at least some hard drugs are only hard because they're chemically purified -- if we permitted the coca leaf and coca tea, it would be no different from permitting coffee beans and coffee.

  • Officer Shoots Woman, Pit Bull Playing

    10/23/2009 8:32:26 PM PDT · 34 of 34
    A.J.Armitage to Candor7

    So you have what she was trained to do, and I have what she did do.

    You’re right, of course.

  • Obama The Strategic Focus For The Self Destrution Of The Body Of The Son Of Perdition

    10/09/2009 5:50:37 PM PDT · 4 of 42
    A.J.Armitage to Armaggedon

    Picture a pear with a mouth saying “lol wut”.

  • Officer Shoots Woman, Pit Bull Playing

    10/09/2009 5:33:10 PM PDT · 31 of 34
    A.J.Armitage to Candor7
    YOu think she just drew down and opened up?

    Sure looks that way.

  • Bets on how long FreeP lasts. Rush, Sean, Mark, Glenn?

    11/04/2008 9:21:58 PM PST · 14 of 19
    A.J.Armitage to B-Chan
    I have been arguing against representative government here on FR for the better part of a decade now

    I give about a 20% chance you'll see the end of representative government real soon now.

    I have a sense of foreboding that this election is the other end of 1800.

  • Atheism's Army Of The Smug

    12/27/2006 9:37:24 PM PST · 123 of 125
    A.J.Armitage to qam1
    < Yawn >

    Perhaps the most cogent thing you've said.

    He went to his death shooting and shouting the Masonic distress call,

    Regardless, previously he and his followers were chased from place to place, and they even had for all intensive purposes the whole state of Missouri declare war on them.

    You mean "all intents and purposes".

    By your logic why would JS and the rest of them go through all that based on lies?

    Just Smith -- "and the rest" is your lack of comprehension. One bold impostor makes sense. Smith was the only one who ever saw the plates; at least one of the "witnesses" later admitted they saw it with "spiritual" rather than literal eyes and his translation procedure involved reciting letters he saw in a peepstone rather than directly handling the plates in front of his collaborator.

    You need everyone who would have had access to the tomb including the Pharisees to be in on it.

    No where does it say they were persecuted for their beliefs, they were more in trouble for their political acts, primarily the refusal to pay homage to the emperor and their tendency to incite the public to rebel against civil authority.

    Every single claim in that paragraph is wrong.

    In Acts 4:17-21 the Sanhedrin dragged them in and threatened them unless they stopped preaching and doing miracles in the name of Jesus. Then in Acts 5:17-18 they were arrested, and in 5:40 they were beaten and again told to stop preaching. In Acts 7 they killed Stephen for describing a vision of Jesus at the right hand of God. In Acts 8 Saul persecutes all the Christian he can get to precisely because of their beliefs.

    I assume by "pay homage to the emperor" you mean the pinch of incense. This is badly anachronistic; the mandatory pinch of incense was instituted several centuries later as a specifically anti-Christian measure. Christians did refuse to participate in the then-existing civil rites, but Christianity was at that time considered a sect of Judaism and Jews were exempt.

    Finally, the Apostles told people not to rebel against civil authority, most famously in Romans 13.

    You are not entitled to your own facts.

    They most likely wouldn't have killed themselves

    Now run with that thought a little.

    Here's a list of some of The Miracles of Prophet Mohammad as his companions witnessed

    All citing hadiths. Hadiths are oral history collected well after the original generation died. (And no, the New Testament isn't.)

  • Atheism's Army Of The Smug

    12/26/2006 9:42:20 AM PST · 114 of 125
    A.J.Armitage to qam1
    But even it is is true that they did die in the way reported it's still a bad argument, people have died all throughout history for things that were not true and/or lies.

    On the contrary, your counterargument is so stupid it's surprising to see it presented seriously. You should have given a moment's thought to your examples; you didn't, because you haven't even considered the original argument. Here's a clue: it's not simply "they died for it, so it's true". For what it is, you could try reading. Or just go on making a fool of yourself; your choice, really.

    Joseph Smith never recanted even when faced with death by an angry mob.

    He went to his death shooting and shouting the Masonic distress call, and the crowd never offered the chance to recant anyway.

    Why did Jim Jones kill himself, when he knew that all he had been preaching was false?

    And how do you know he did? More relevantly, if every single follower had known he was preaching falsehood, how do you suppose it would have went?

    The Waco Branch Davidians died believing David Koresh to be the next Messiah


    What about the early Muslims who volunteered to die in Muhammad's cause (i.e. The Battle of the Trench), according to your logic they wouldn't have if they knew that Muhammad had not been visited by Gabriel

    Now explain how they would have known.

    No, don't. Just throw up some more non sequiturs.

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/07/2006 9:37:00 PM PST · 290 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to Mrs. Don-o
    I don't think it's that simple: they're not called the Gnostic Gospels, for nothing;

    Well, they were written by Gnostics and they purport to recount the words and/or actions of Jesus, so yes, they would be called "Gnostic Gospels". Not sure what you think that has to do with my post.

    I reiterate: that is Tradition.

    At first I thought you mistakenly assumed I was thinking of Cardinal Newman when I mentioned "history", but apparently now you insist on misreading any knowledge of the past as Tradition with a capital T. The only reply I can think of is to ask you to stop being silly.

    Excuse me if this seems nit-picky, but we have to agree, one way or another, on what we mean by the word.

    Either I'm not putting the question right or you're trying to dodge it. Ignore the word "Canon". Does the Church add anything or recognize what already exists?

    The Canon of the New Testament, like that of the Old, is the result of a process stimulated by disputes, both within and without the Church, and which did not reach its final term until the dogmatic definitions of the Ecumenical Councils.

    The last line is inaccurate. The first ecumenical (or "ecumenical" for the EOs out there) council that said anything about the Canon was Trent. The only counciliar definitions before that were local. So the final form of the New Testament Canon preceeds the "dogmatic definition" by over a thousand years.

    Which means (and this must seem an irony for someone in your position) that Christians throughout most of history have used a Canon with exactly the same basis Protestants still believe ours has.

    I've always been mystified why anyone would take [the Lerins quote] seriously. If that's how you define orthodoxy, then by the surviving history (in the sense I intended that phrase in the first place) there's no orthodoxy at all.

    I'm at a loss to understand what you mean by that. Orthodoxy is the truth that has been handed down to us. It is still being handed on: by word of mouth, in writing, in the example and lives of the Saints.

    It would probably help if you read what Vincent said. I had assumed you knew, since you not only introduced him to the discussion but quoted him in Latin and English.

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/07/2006 10:38:33 AM PST · 233 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to Mrs. Don-o
    Oh, it was given serious consideration by the Gnostics, all right.

    Not really. By all appearances even the Gnostics knew the difference between Thomas and, say, John. It's just modern academics who don't. The only ones who ever disputed the place of the four Gospels were Marcionites, and they took away, not added.

    It wasn't accepted in the "surviving history" of the Church. "The surviving history of the Church which was handed down to us" is, in fact, the definition of Tradition.

    Please read more carefully. That phrase has nothing to do with "Tradition". It has to do with history in the ordinary sense, i.e., the same way we know about Caesar conquering Gaul.

    Let me try to understand your question correctly: are you asking whether something, anything, could become canonical simply by being used in the Liturgy?

    No. It's the same question I asked you already: do texts start as Canonical? Asking the same question from the other direction, was John a part of the Canon as soon as it was put down on papyrus, or did it need to be added later?

    In the words of an ecclesiastical writer in Southern Gaul in the fifth century, St. Vincent of Lerins, here's a practical rule for distinguishing heresy from true doctrine: "quod ubique, quod semper, quod ab omnibus creditum est." What has been believed everyone, always, and by everyone. How do you detemine that? In your words, "the surviving history." Tradition.

    I've heard of that before, and I've always been mystified why anyone would take it seriously. If that's how you define orthodoxy, then by the surviving history (in the sense I intended that phrase in the first place) there's no orthodoxy at all.

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/07/2006 9:31:10 AM PST · 219 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to Mrs. Don-o
    But when was it decided that the "Gospel of Thomas," for instance, didn't make the cut? When, where, and by whom?

    By the surviving history, it was never given any serious consideration.

    Because it was never used Liturgically: Lex orandi, lex credendi. Nor was it referenced as authoritative by the Ante-Nicene Fathers, or received as Scripture in Orthodox/Catholic Churches. That's the basis the Ecumenical Councils used, to determine the authenticity of Scriptures: liturgical, patristic, and ecclesial Tradition. The spurious texts were not in the Tradition.

    So take the question back a step. When the Church used a book, was it recognizing something that would have been true of the book in any case, or was it giving the book something? Could the Church have used Thomas liturgically, and if it had would Thomas be Canon?

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/07/2006 9:00:41 AM PST · 214 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to Moonman62
    Jesus said that God is spirit. And considering what we know about consciousness, resurrecting that would make the body unnecessary.

    So you'll follow some vague "what we know about consciousness" instead of Scripture.

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/07/2006 8:54:40 AM PST · 210 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to Mrs. Don-o
    So I ask again: who determined the Canon? And on what basis?

    God did, on the basis of which writtings He had inspired.

    Could the Church put Thomas in the Canon? Why or why not? If it does, would Thomas gain in authority, or would it always have had this authority?

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/07/2006 8:41:55 AM PST · 206 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to FreedomCalls
    You didn't answer the question.

    Neither did you.

    Your question happens to be irrelevant. After the Resurrection, before the Ascension, at the time when Jesus presented Himself to the disciples, He said His body had nailprints, and offered Himself for examination to prove the point. Were there nailprints because nails had been driven into those parts of His body, or because He was putting one over on them?

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/06/2006 11:01:28 PM PST · 147 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to FreedomCalls

    You didn't answer the question. Probably because you DO believe Jesus deceived the disciples.

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/06/2006 10:34:59 PM PST · 145 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to Mrs. Don-o
    The Bible denies that it is sufficient as the complete rule of faith. Paul says that much Christian teaching is to be found in the tradition which is handed down by word of mouth (2 Tim. 2:2). He instructs us to "stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter" (2 Thess. 2:15).

    You are, of course, misrepresenting those passages badly. Paul doesn't say, and Scripture doesn't say, that anything we need to know is outside the Canon and would always be outside the Canon. Remember that when Paul wrote the Gospels weren't written yet, but now they have been written (a rather significant difference).

  • Remains of Apostle Paul May Have Been Found

    12/06/2006 10:29:30 PM PST · 142 of 409
    A.J.Armitage to FreedomCalls

    After the resurrection, Jesus offered His own wounds as proof it was indeed He. What that a deception?

  • Penalty for unwrapping gifts early: Arrest (12-year old arrested for opening a Christmas gift early)

    12/05/2006 10:49:29 PM PST · 45 of 79
    A.J.Armitage to unlearner
    So, we'd rather a person in that situation not compound what she already did by adding murder... and that's hypocrisy, how? Are you saying we're secretly in favor of killing babies, or what, exactly?
  • Nat Hentoff: Abortion and the English language

    12/05/2006 10:34:18 PM PST · 55 of 86
    A.J.Armitage to Raymann
    In any event there is a reason they're aren't any cameras in the court, it isn't a place for popular opinion or theatrics, it's supposed to be a place of serious discussion and for that you need to be precise in your language. Period.

    I've always found that concluding "Period" especially persuasive.

  • Police: Teen who hit SUV with eggs slain

    12/04/2006 11:44:34 AM PST · 277 of 313
    A.J.Armitage to Dead Corpse
    Which was what this kid did egging this guys SUV.

    So the kid initiated force against the SUV driver, therefore some other kid should initiate more damaging force against me? Is that the reasoning?

  • Police: Teen who hit SUV with eggs slain

    12/04/2006 11:16:31 AM PST · 273 of 313
    A.J.Armitage to Dead Corpse
    I don't tresspass. Therefore, have nothing to worry about.

    Then why the angry reply?

    you excused this kids "innocent prank"


    I hope you suffer the same kind of "prank" some day.

    A direct endorsement of the initiation of force.

    It followed the exact logical form you used.

    When I say you should get the same consequences you favor for others if you initiate force, you say someone should initiate force against me. That's thug's logic.

  • Police: Teen who hit SUV with eggs slain

    12/04/2006 10:49:04 AM PST · 269 of 313
    A.J.Armitage to Dead Corpse
    I merely hoped for your principles to be applied equally to you if you initiate the trespass of another's property rights, which you could avoid by simply refraining from violating the law. And you reply by hoping someone initiates force against me? You're a hypocrite and a threat to others.
  • Police: Teen who hit SUV with eggs slain

    12/04/2006 10:41:54 AM PST · 267 of 313
    A.J.Armitage to Dead Corpse

    I hope if you ever walk a foot over someone's property line you get killed for it.

  • Seven Basic Bible Facts Every Christian Should Know and Believe

    11/30/2006 9:09:38 PM PST · 31 of 49
    A.J.Armitage to Ruy Dias de Bivar

    You seem to be trying to start an argument about a position I don't hold. Fortunately, a Catholic's taken issue with what you've said, so now you can have your fun.

  • Seven Basic Bible Facts Every Christian Should Know and Believe

    11/30/2006 12:55:35 PM PST · 26 of 49
    A.J.Armitage to Ruy Dias de Bivar
    Some here insist baptism saves. Is Paul saying that he thanks God he saved none except Crispus and Gaius?

    Why don't you ask them?

  • Seven Basic Bible Facts Every Christian Should Know and Believe

    11/30/2006 8:50:22 AM PST · 16 of 49
    A.J.Armitage to cowboyfan88
    The Apostle Paul was not sent to baptize with water: "For Christ sent me NOT TO BAPTIZE but to preach the gospel..." (I Cor. 1:17).

    So did you just miss verses 14-16?

    I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, so that no one may say that you were baptized in my name. (I did baptize also the household of Stephanas. Beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized anyone else.)
  • Time To Talk Mormon, Mitt

    11/29/2006 3:56:36 PM PST · 44 of 63
    A.J.Armitage to Reaganesque

    Any specifics?

  • Pelosi panel pick makes waves

    11/29/2006 11:14:50 AM PST · 28 of 41
    A.J.Armitage to X-FID
    The republicans don't get to vote for the speaker if that is what you mean, it's a majority thing.

    No, the whole House votes for the Speaker. It's usually a party line vote, but it doesn't have to be. A faction of the majority party can bring down their party's leader by cutting a deal with the minority party (which almost happened to Newt once).

    If the Republicans get such on offer, they should agree to it but make sure just enough Republicans vote Pelosi so she gets in anyway. That way the Democrats can keep themselves busy with reprisals.

  • Rick Warren on Syria: 'A moderate country'

    11/27/2006 8:47:03 AM PST · 26 of 81
    A.J.Armitage to Sloth

    The Turks were nowhere near Asia Minor at the time.

  • Proof Is Scant on Psychiatric Drug Mix for Young

    11/24/2006 9:43:30 AM PST · 64 of 77
    A.J.Armitage to robertpaulsen
    I was speaking in generalities and gave Columbine as an example of what I was talking about. That what the parenthesis mean.

    Ah. I was under the impression you should say true things, but I had forgotten basic English syntax: if you put ( on one side, and ) on the other, making stuff up becomes totally acceptible.

    When kids are not medicated and commit crimes that make the headlines, people complain that the parents didn't see the "obvious signs" and should have been medicating their children.

    This is strange. I've seen that up to the part about obvious signs. But the last part is new to me. Here, let me fix it:

    When kids are not medicated and commit crimes that make the headlines, people complain that the parents didn't see the "obvious signs" (and should have been medicating their children).

    Of course that leads into my second argument that when kids ARE on meds and commit crimes that make the headlines, people blame the meds. My guess is that it's the same people. Probably people like you.

    Yet more. Paraphrasing your argument: you blame the lack of medication -- because I TOLD YOU that you blame the lack of medication! And if you tell me there was medication, then you're blaming the meds! Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

    It would be helpful if you'd be willing to interact with what people are actually saying.

  • Proof Is Scant on Psychiatric Drug Mix for Young

    11/23/2006 9:39:41 PM PST · 60 of 77
    A.J.Armitage to robertpaulsen
    You imagine people saying the killers at Columbine should have been medicated, so when they point out nobody says that because out here in the real world they were medicated, you accuse them of contradicting themselves.
  • Student paper pulled over racist article

    11/23/2006 6:27:49 PM PST · 26 of 47
    A.J.Armitage to Lucius Cornelius Sulla
    What job is that?

    Any and all future jobs.

  • Mitt Romney - The Christianist Candidate

    11/23/2006 8:26:54 AM PST · 72 of 76
    A.J.Armitage to Grig
    We believe that the Father and the Son are both eternal.

    Not the way Christians do.

  • Mitt Romney - The Christianist Candidate

    11/22/2006 12:01:16 PM PST · 60 of 76
    A.J.Armitage to zbigreddogz
    It's more Christian then Islam.

    Muslims are monotheists, unlike Mormons.

  • Mitt Romney - The Christianist Candidate

    11/22/2006 12:00:04 PM PST · 59 of 76
    A.J.Armitage to Deut28

    If the Supreme Court ruled tomorrow that all states must recognize gay marriage, do you think Andrew Sullivan would be upset?

    Me neither.

    He's in favor of federalism when it suits him, not otherwise. But see, that's better than "Christianists" having the same attitude, because, uh, they're meanies.


    11/22/2006 10:47:28 AM PST · 165 of 573
    A.J.Armitage to dljordan
    They had to get in before she flushed her stash.

    There was no stash. No drugs were found.

  • Woman, 92, Dies In Shootout With Police

    11/21/2006 9:55:44 PM PST · 13 of 31
    A.J.Armitage to BeHoldAPaleHorse

    What does that mean?

  • Royal: Britain must choose US or Europe

    11/20/2006 9:19:48 AM PST · 55 of 64
    A.J.Armitage to Mrs Ivan
    Maybe I'm reading more into than I should, but doesn't it also look like they're trying to force a rift between Britain and the Commonwealth? Wouldn't a trade barrier between the EU and everything else put places like Canada and India on the outside?
  • Shuler's(D) election means end of quest to finish 'Road to Nowhere'

    11/19/2006 12:28:21 PM PST · 88 of 146
    A.J.Armitage to Dane
    So a President can promise something, and Congress is obligated to do it. And you don't hate separation of powers.
  • Shuler's(D) election means end of quest to finish 'Road to Nowhere'

    11/19/2006 10:42:04 AM PST · 85 of 146
    A.J.Armitage to Dane

    Why do you hate separation of powers?

  • U.S. House is final word on seat (House May Declare Dem the Winner, Despite Vote Totals)

    11/17/2006 7:54:42 PM PST · 45 of 49
    A.J.Armitage to longtermmemmory
    I think you are mistaken in your assesment.

    So do I: I forgot to mention lawsuits as a good way to harass her. Hit her money, not just her mind.

    You can shun without such crass behavior.

    True. But you can't send the right message to the Dems: if you win because you got more votes in the district, that's democracy; if you win because you got more votes in the House, we will break you.

  • U.S. House is final word on seat (House May Declare Dem the Winner, Despite Vote Totals)

    11/17/2006 1:13:25 PM PST · 32 of 49
    A.J.Armitage to RWR8189
    Bet the Republicans are too polite to react properly if she does steal it: make her life hell as long as she stays in the House.

    If she says "my colleague so-and-so", tell her that so-and-so was elected, unlike her.

    If they pass her in the hallway, say "F-ck you."

    If her kid dies, say, "Hey, how's the family!"

    If she gives a speech let there always be a heckler.

    Let her regularly find her car keyjobed or her window smashed or her wall covered with crude drawings.

    And that's not nearly as bad as what she's contemplating doing. If the Dems seat the loser, ever treating that loser as if she were just another member is grotesque. A one-time walkout isn't enough. Total disrespect forever isn't enough, but it would have to do.
  • `Purpose' (Driven Life) pastor has pulpit for Obama (Rick Warren Courts Dems)

    11/16/2006 11:26:37 AM PST · 122 of 536
    A.J.Armitage to jude24
    and the Republicans have lurched to the hard right.

    How so?

  • Newt Waiting To Be Called

    11/15/2006 1:03:52 PM PST · 128 of 194
    A.J.Armitage to DanielLongo
    They condemned Christ under the same charge. I'll take it with the same honor.

    Oh? And were those Paul pronounced accursed honored? Were those John said should not receive even a greeting honored?

  • A History of the Church: 1517 A.D. to the Present Protestantism and its Forms

    11/15/2006 12:56:22 PM PST · 14 of 78
    A.J.Armitage to OpusatFR

    What exactly are you claiming?

  • Newt Waiting To Be Called

    11/15/2006 10:43:05 AM PST · 86 of 194
    A.J.Armitage to Cobra64
    I had premarital sex before I got married.

    That would be the time to have it.

  • Newt Waiting To Be Called

    11/15/2006 10:40:15 AM PST · 85 of 194
    A.J.Armitage to DanielLongo
    I belong to a Church called "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" and these same people say I'm not a Christian. They obviously have forgotten a rather central doctrine called forgiveness.

    Stop being a heretic and we'll forgive you.

  • Remote latrine reconfirms the presence of Essene sect at Qumran

    11/14/2006 9:04:39 AM PST · 7 of 12
    A.J.Armitage to neb52

    You weren't using the same site for a hundred years.

  • Libraries in the sand reveal Africa's academic past

    11/11/2006 9:34:37 AM PST · 21 of 25
    A.J.Armitage to Pharmboy
    Some academics say the texts will force the West to accept Africa has an intellectual history as old as its own.

    1300 AD is as old as 500 BC? And I'll be forced to accept this?

  • Borat spoof film banned in Russia

    11/09/2006 9:58:08 PM PST · 59 of 81
    A.J.Armitage to HarmlessLovableFuzzball

    Russia have inferior potassium!

  • Ten reasons to vote for Topinka (Vanity)

    11/06/2006 11:20:37 PM PST · 42 of 71
    A.J.Armitage to Mr. Silverback

    If Topinka gives the victory speech tomorrow night she'll also get control of the patronage. What effect do you suppose that will have on future primaries? Let Blago win. I want to see a sitting governor go up the river.

    I'm undecided between writing in Stufflebeam or writing in I.R. Protestvote.