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Posts by armydoc

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  • Salvation and Church

    04/21/2018 2:11:35 PM PDT · 79 of 175
    armydoc to Salvation

    To be clear, are you saying that Catholic communion is necessary for salvation?

  • Does Calvinism Offer a Basis for the Assurance of Salvation?

    04/16/2018 8:49:30 AM PDT · 46 of 46
    armydoc to metmom
    God gave dominion of the earth top man. It hasn't been rescinded as of yet.

    I'm not sure how that is relevant to the discussion. Man's dominion on the earth is stewardship delegated by God; He still has ultimate sovereignty. Man's dominion has nothing to do with salvation

    If God is totally sovereign, then HE is responsible for every act of evil and sin in the world

    Everything that happens, good or evil, is ordained by God. God allows evil for His purposes, but He is never the author of evil. Evil is always carried out by secondary means. Read Job. God allows evil to befall Job, specifically allowing Satan to carry it out. As far as responsibility for evil and sin, man still is responsible for his sin. How can man still be responsible for his sin if the sinful act was ultimately ordained by God, you may ask? You would be asking the same hypothetical question that Paul presents in Romans 9:19:

    You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” 20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?” 21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use? 22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, 23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory— 24 even us whom he has called, not from the Jews only but also from the Gentiles?

    Notice that the question regarding the apparent conflict God's sovereignty and man's responsibility is never answered. It is a mystery that just needs to be accepted. As Charles Spurgeon put it:

    “That God predestines, and yet that man is responsible, are two facts that few can see clearly. They are believed to be inconsistent and contradictory, but they are not. The fault is in our weak judgment. Two truths cannot be contradictory to each other. If, then, I find taught in one part of the Bible that everything is fore-ordained, that is true; and I find that in another Scripture, that man is responsible for all his actions, that is true; and it is only my folly that leads me to imagine that these two truths can ever contradict each other. I do not believe they can ever be welded into one upon any earthly anvil, but they certainly shall be one in eternity. They are two lines that so nearly parallel, that the human mind which pursues them farthest will never discover that they converge, but they do converge, and they will meet somewhere in eternity, close to the throne of God, whence all truth doth spring.”

    It takes a big view of God to believe in His total sovereignty. That is my view because it is scripture's view.

    and we are all no more than puppets on a string some programmed to *love* God and others programmed to *reject* God

    Again, God is not "programming" a morally neutral group of people. We are all "programmed" by the fall to be God-haters. A deficiency in the understanding of the doctrine of total depravity inevitably leads to this error.
  • Does Calvinism Offer a Basis for the Assurance of Salvation?

    04/12/2018 7:23:51 AM PDT · 43 of 46
    armydoc to Iscool
    So be repulsed then...

    Read my response again. I am fascinated that YOU would be repulsed by God's total sovereignty.

    Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

    Do you think that represents a problem for Calvinism? Not at all.

    So how does that work with you guys??? God picks you to be saved...God then tells you to repent of your bad stuff so you can actually get saved afterward...What if you don't repent enough??? What if you decide it's too much work on your part???

    Not completely following you here, but let me take it bit by bit:

    God picks you to be saved

    Yes, God elects some for salvation. That was done before the foundation of the world.

    God then tells you to repent of your bad stuff so you can actually get saved afterward

    You skipped a step. God regenerates the elect, i.e. changes their heart, so that they are able to respond to His call to repentance and faith. That regeneration is a unilateral act of God, done while the person is still an enemy of Him.

    What if you don't repent enough??? What if you decide it's too much work on your part???

    That's the beauty of the Doctrines of Grace. God assures us in scripture that once He starts a work, He will finish it. He doesn't regenerate us then leave us on our own. None of us will "repent enough" on our own. His grace is the only way we will persevere to the end in repentance, faith, good works, etc.

    Or maybe if God picks YOU, you're going to become a saved Christian whether you want to or not???

    Brother, the glorious truth of the gospel of Christ is that anyone that is saved is saved AGAINST HIS WILL. We are all born God-haters. None of us, in our base sinful state, want to be saved. Anyone that cries out to God for mercy has already been regenerated by God. Repentance and faith do not "trigger" regeneration; repentance and faith are fruits of regeneration which, again, is a unilateral act of God.

    And God brought your parents together, and their parents and all the parents before them, so they could create the unique you who God chose before the foundation of the world???

    Absolutely and gloriously true. Of course God is completely sovereign in His creation! As the recently deceased reformed theologian R.C. Sproul put it, “If there is one single molecule in this universe running around loose, totally free of God’s sovereignty, then we have no guarantee that a single promise of God will ever be fulfilled.”

    I know I'm a born again Christian...I called out to God and he saved me, and before I repented of anything...

    Brother, when you "called out to God", He had already regenerated you. The unregenerate heart is dead in trespass and sin, scripture is clear. Dead hearts don't call out to God. The heart must first be regenerated, i.e. "born again".
  • Does Calvinism Offer a Basis for the Assurance of Salvation?

    04/11/2018 6:03:50 PM PDT · 36 of 46
    armydoc to Iscool
    Why would you have to repent since God forced you to desire salvation???

    Because God ordains both the end and the means to the end. He has ordained repentance and faith as the means to salvation. I find it fascinating that someone would find the concept of God's complete sovereignty so repulsive.
  • Does Calvinism Offer a Basis for the Assurance of Salvation?

    04/11/2018 9:35:38 AM PDT · 12 of 46
    armydoc to hoagy62
    That’s the way I read the part about predestination. If you’re predestined for destruction, no matter how badly you want to be saved, you can’t be. And no matter how much you do your best to live as Jesus commanded, it’s all to no avail. Am I missing anything?

    What you are missing is that scripture is clear that since the fall, the default condition of every human being is emnity with God; i.e. there are NONE that "want to be saved". For a person to "want to be saved" takes a unilateral act of God to change the person's nature; to change his heart of stone that is incapable of desiring salvation to a heart of flesh that realizes his wretched condition and responds with repentance and faith (regeneration precedes faith). The negative reaction to Calvinism, I think, is the error that assumes that it teaches that God selects from a morally NEUTRAL group of people, some to go to Heaven and some to go to hell. In reality, there are no morally neutral people. All deserve eternal punishment in hell. Calvinists believe that God chooses to save some and not others. Calvinism upholds the complete and total sovereignty of God, whereas Arminianism puts God subject to the sovereignty of man.

    03/29/2018 10:24:14 AM PDT · 38 of 195
    armydoc to JPII Be Not Afraid

    Not even close to a denial, which is very revealing.

  • Debt Cancer: More Than 80 Percent Of American Adults Owe Somebody Else Money

    02/19/2018 7:11:41 PM PST · 12 of 30
    armydoc to SeekAndFind

    Misleading. The article doesn’t claim that most Americans are in overall debt; just that they owe money to someone else in some way. At current interest rates, it often makes financial sense to use OPM, even if you have the cash to purchase the item in question. Yes, the country has a huge debt problem, no doubt. The sensational statistic isn’t necessary to make the point.

  • What is so bad about a chicken dinner?

    06/05/2017 6:57:06 PM PDT · 113 of 136
    armydoc to Lazamataz

    Yes, those are indeed to be avoided. I was fortunate to have a Horse Dinner several months ago.

  • Ex-wife of energy tycoon is sued for asking chef to cook ‘black people food’

    01/02/2017 4:11:54 PM PST · 60 of 89
    armydoc to heterosupremacist

    The Army hospital at which I work has a yearly African American heritage observance. The menu in the cafeteria on that day? Fried chicken, BBQ ribs, corn bread, collards, black-eyed peas.

  • Christian University Openly Promotes Abortion Clinic Partnership

    11/30/2016 8:38:09 PM PST · 22 of 26
    armydoc to cloudmountain
    Sure, there is one Catholic Church in name. The thing is, Catholics for some reason feel comfortable calling themselves Catholic while denying Catholic doctrine. Protestants at least are honest in that they, to a much greater extent, join denominations which align with their beliefs.

    Would Protestants accept one leader?

    We do. His name is Jesus Christ.
  • Christian University Openly Promotes Abortion Clinic Partnership

    11/30/2016 10:17:46 AM PST · 19 of 26
    armydoc to cloudmountain

    Given the current state of the Catholic Church, with a heretical Pope and largely apostate laity, perhaps your reaping/sowing analysis should be applied to your own house.

  • The Church's Constant Teaching on our dealings with Non-Catholics

    11/03/2016 10:00:02 AM PDT · 8 of 270
    armydoc to ebb tide

    I’m guessing the author doesn’t consider Vatican II as part of the “constant teaching” of the Church?

  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/28/2016 11:37:20 AM PDT · 67 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan
    Of course, reading the Catechism requires an act of faith that you are not reading a forgery put out by the National Council of Churches. It also requires an act of faith that you have hands. And eyes.

    Not entirely sure of your point here. Is the CCC on the vatican website de fide?

    And that you are not in an Army experimental hospital having images fed into your brain.

    I'm thinking this is some sort of attempt at an ad hominem. Here's a free tip for you- ad homs generally don't help your argument. Bad ones really don't help. This one is just bizarre.
  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/27/2016 6:59:47 PM PDT · 62 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan
    As a matter of fact, all the de fide propositions taught by the Church can be listed. They are identified as such in every manual of dogmatic theology, and in the catechism. If you want them listed, use google.

    Are the opinions of the authors of these manuals infallible and/or "de fide"? Is the entire CCC "de fide"?

    The sources for the Catholic Faith are Scripture and Tradition, principally the liturgy.

    All of which require considerable interpretation, which brings us back to my original point.
  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/27/2016 6:49:48 AM PDT · 50 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan
    This isn't about infallibility. Papal infallibility, while certainly a problem for protestants in theory, has become a practical non-issue in the modern age, simply because it hasn't been invoked for over 60 years and probably won't be invoked again. So, the average Catholic is required to employ considerable interpretation to modern (fallible) papal teachings, comparing them to fallible historical teachings such as the CCC. Perhaps you could help clear this up for me by referring me to the definitive list of infallible, binding Catholic teachings. Surely it exists.

    As far as your practical sedevacantism, there really is no other way to accurately describe your position. By your own admission, you "ignore" him and advise others to do the same. Ignore, as in act as if he doesn't exist. The chair is empty in a practical sense.
  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/27/2016 5:33:38 AM PDT · 48 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan

    I think I have asked you in the past if you were a sedevacantist and you answered in the negative. You may not claim it formally, but you do realize you are a practical sedevacantist, don’t you?

  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/26/2016 10:17:20 AM PDT · 35 of 68
    armydoc to marshmallow

    The catechism and all papal encyclical are infallible and binding, then?

  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/26/2016 8:13:21 AM PDT · 26 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan
    The Pope has the authority to teach what the Catholic Church has always taught

    And Pope Francis believes, by his interpretation, that his teaching is in line with what the Church has always taught. Apparently Pope McGowan believes differently. Which Pope to believe?
  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/26/2016 7:24:27 AM PDT · 23 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan
    ignore Bergoglio

    Quite a statement, and quite telling. The Vicar of Christ may be "ignored". It seems that all this fuss by us Protestants was misplaced. This concept of absolute authority in the RCC was a paper tiger. Ignore the Pope (and any other authority figure) unless he conforms to your interpretation of historical Catholic teaching. Fascinating.
  • Vatican Newspaper: 'Amoris Laetitia' is Authoritative Church Teaching

    08/26/2016 5:38:35 AM PDT · 17 of 68
    armydoc to Arthur McGowan
    Either the current Pope is teaching what the Church has always taught, or he is contradicting what the Church has always taught

    And therein lies the rub. "What the Church has always taught" encompasses a huge body of practice, pronouncements, documents, etc. A Catholic must, by necessity, employ personal interpretation regarding what (or who) is authoritative and what (who) isn't. A Catholic, looking at AL, must by necessity employ personal interpretation and come to a conclusion.