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  • Thousands Joining Catholic Church Holy Saturday; Among Them Priest’s Father, Family of Ten

    04/05/2007 1:13:09 PM PDT · 15 of 45
    austinTparty to dsc

    If you mean that the priest is an SSPXer, for example, then yes, your Confession is valid if it’s your only option. There has been wiggle room left so that the SSPXers can come back for full communion in the Church. Good luck...

  • Sikorsky targets buyout of Polish aircraft maker (Black Hawks will be produced in Poland)

    09/20/2006 4:03:58 PM PDT · 7 of 13
    austinTparty to lizol
    At first glance, I thought this referred to RADEK Sikorski ... and I was wondering where he came into the sudden influx of cash to buy the company! Heh.

    For those unfamiliar with him, he is the current Polish Minister of Nat'l Defense and former head of the New Atlantic Initiative at AEI, and also happens to be married to journalist Anne Applebaum.

  • 2006 WORLD CUP - Round of 16 - BRAZIL-GHANA/FRANCE-SPAIN

    06/27/2006 3:11:43 PM PDT · 286 of 322
    austinTparty to jjbrouwer
  • Pope Against Pop Music In Mass

    06/26/2006 12:37:17 PM PDT · 103 of 257
    austinTparty to Alkhin
    I'm with you on this, and I don't even like the new music! My church has a lot of it---the clapping Gloria, a call and return "our Father" and so forth---but our congregation is primarily immigrants for whom such style of worship is meaningful. Lots of Phillipine, African, Indian and Sri Lankans, and they are some of the most devout and devoted Catholics I know. Because our parish has a lot of people in transit, we rely on whatever musical talents happen to be there at the moment---if we moved to a very traditional liturgy, we'd have no music at all.

    That said, I miss my old church and its Palestrina, Byrd etc. But you know, *that* was a concert for me! I am a huge early music fan:-)As much as I really am all for a lovely high mass, polyphonic chant and so forth, but this is leaning towards an elitist reactionary stance.

    (for those anti-immigrant types, don't bother to comment, my current church is not in the US).

  • Muslims Address Silence on Europe Attacks

    06/24/2006 3:05:28 PM PDT · 46 of 71
    austinTparty to Ernest_at_the_Beach
    “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
    --Edmund Burke
  • Right-thinking French woman plots revolution

    06/18/2006 7:54:53 AM PDT · 2 of 26
    austinTparty to aculeus

    Yes...

  • Heroic USA hold Italy

    06/18/2006 7:09:50 AM PDT · 40 of 78
    austinTparty to Non-Sequitur

    Ghana was African champion... they are that good.

  • An unhyphenated people [Interesting take on British attitudes towards Jews]

    06/15/2006 3:53:06 PM PDT · 46 of 49
    austinTparty to familyop

    Couldn't resist a little gratuitous Catholic-bashing, eh? Nice to voice unfounded "suspicions" so that you can kill a couple of birds with one stone. Jews and Catholics are the two groups everyone seems to feel safe bashing these days...

  • The Transformation of John Mackey (Whole Foods CEO from leftist to capitalist)

    06/13/2006 12:30:18 PM PDT · 13 of 41
    austinTparty to Paradox

    And he also puts his charity money where his mouth is... but I still like Central Market better (Texans will know what I'm talking about).

  • So You Really Think Soccer Blows?

    06/13/2006 12:28:03 PM PDT · 269 of 291
    austinTparty to dfwgator

    I'd rather have "Der Kaiser"! :-) He is actually helicoptering (!) to every match... That said, the Eastern European coaches seem to be getting results these days... Arena merely looked bored, although it was said he is really p.o.'ed at the team at the moment, for obvious reasons.

  • So You Really Think Soccer Blows?

    06/12/2006 3:49:53 PM PDT · 192 of 291
    austinTparty to dfwgator

    Amen. I cringed through the whole match. They were an embarrassment. They never showed up. The commentator (here in Europe) remarked that they looked like schoolboys showing up for a friendly. Ugh. They had no aggression, no drive, no NOTHING. Italy-Ghana may have ended 2-0, but they PLAYED, and they were both impressive. We're so going to exit in the 1st round.

  • Pope asks India not to ban religious conversions

    06/12/2006 3:43:01 PM PDT · 463 of 577
    austinTparty to Gengis Khan
    So you don't believe in freedom of conscience? The last time I checked Italy allows Hindus to be Hindu, and I'll guarantee you that there is no law against conversions in Vatican City. Hardly need to, considering the only people there are Catholic clergy or involved in the Church.

    This explains why India cannot yet be considered a functioning liberal democracy...

  • Poland's Bigoted Government [Usual Suspects Barf Alert]

    06/12/2006 3:30:04 PM PDT · 23 of 24
    austinTparty to wolf78

    Bingo!!! We have a winner, boys and girls....

  • Trip to Kuwait touches Barnes' heart (great story on NCAA hoops coaches visit to troops)

    06/11/2006 1:43:51 PM PDT · 5 of 14
    austinTparty to WestTexasWend
    Hook 'em. Great story.
  • Russian Archaeologist Says Merv Was Origin Of Zoroastrianism

    06/10/2006 4:01:04 PM PDT · 22 of 31
    austinTparty to blam

    Again, thanks for the always interesting posts!

  • U.S. enters World Cup with newfound swagger

    06/05/2006 2:05:08 PM PDT · 100 of 102
    austinTparty to NZerFromHK
    Being in the Group of Death sure doesn't help the US chances... the thing about the World Cup though, injuries, the extra little something of playing for one's country, and myriad other factors always serve to keep it unpredictable and totally exciting. (And let's face it: the US players are under WAY less pressure to even advance to the 2nd round than the majority of the teams.)

    And btw: Sorry to see NZ get so miserably crushed by Brazil in the friendlies---it was honestly painful to watch. But knowing the the Brazilian team is one of the best ever should assuage the sorrow just a bit!

  • U.S. enters World Cup with newfound swagger

    06/04/2006 2:23:34 PM PDT · 75 of 102
    austinTparty to Joe Boucher

    You *could* TiVo... but you know you won't. Just don't plan on sleep for the next month... :-)

  • U.S. enters World Cup with newfound swagger

    06/04/2006 2:14:03 PM PDT · 72 of 102
    austinTparty to Joe Boucher

    Well then, we'll have the perfect opportunity to prove it. If we make it out of the Group of Death and play Brazil in the 2nd round, we'd be playing against one of the most awesomely talented teams ever. We could beat them... but if Ronaldinho is playing at the top of his form and the rest of the guys act like a team, it would only be by a miracle. Not that I'm not hoping for one!!!

  • U.S. enters World Cup with newfound swagger

    06/04/2006 1:11:30 PM PDT · 22 of 102
    austinTparty to Jameison; jimbo123

    If I'm not mistaken, Ghana won the Africa cup. The US is playing in the group of Death. The 3 teams we're facing are *all* excellent. And as for not being a "real" sport??? Constantly running and making plays with no breaks for around an hour and a half? Soccer players are excellent athletes...

  • Frogs in a Pot - Temperature rises as French government ignites

    05/29/2006 12:51:35 AM PDT · 10 of 16
    austinTparty to Atlantic Bridge

    Yes and no. Chirac is for more government intervention and less labor market flexibility than Lionel Jospin. Socially, he may be more conservative than the French Socialists, but that's not really saying much. Ségolène Royal is arguably more reform-oriented than Chirac, but with the Socialists behind her, not much would be accomplished. Counter-intuitively, it may take another Socialist President to really screw things up enough to give the French the stomach for real reform. Sarkozy is a populist who I wouldn't trust as far as I can throw him. There is no real voice of reform in the bunch. The French "right-wing" is arguably to the left of the German SPD in many ways...

  • Moussaoui Will Never Rot in Prison

    05/05/2006 6:39:07 AM PDT · 79 of 130
    austinTparty to WorkerbeeCitizen

    And a good thing, too! Many people in the State Department and DHS get severely stressed out knowing about many of the threats and dangers that never become public... but I guarantee, this is one guy France ain't about to stand up for. On the other hand, French prisons are notoriously horrible places. Buried alive; living hell -- take your pick! :-)

  • Moussaoui Will Never Rot in Prison

    05/05/2006 6:17:26 AM PDT · 67 of 130
    austinTparty to WorkerbeeCitizen
    He will be; France won't bother to stick up for this scumbag. Might I also mention that the Joint CIA cooperation center is in Paris---and that the French cooperate far more closely with the US on WOT than even the British? This just doesn't make for sexy headlines...

    Help from France Key in Covert Operations

  • French exception: Experts ponder high birth rate

    04/27/2006 1:04:30 AM PDT · 28 of 31
    austinTparty to milwguy

    I live there.

  • French exception: Experts ponder high birth rate

    04/26/2006 3:50:53 PM PDT · 24 of 31
    austinTparty to milwguy
    Speculation, and based on wrong assumptions at that. First of all, it is illegal in France to keep statistics based on race or religion, so it's nearly impossible to have an accurate number. However, you are obviously unfamiliar with French culture---it is seen as a mark of success to have 3 or more children (i.e. you're doing well enough to afford it). French women tend to keep working even with larger families, but it is common for women to work only Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday to accomodate the children's school schedule (long days on school on only those 4 days). France is in many ways an extremely family-oriented culture: the Sunday dinner with the extended family is widely practiced, grandparents very often help with childcare, and a Frenchman or woman is not really considered an adult by his/her parents until he or she has children of his/her own. The "Livret de Famille" (Family Book, with room for 6 children in the standard version, incidentally) is the most important official document, not your passport, driver's license or personal id card.

    So the answer is, yes, naturally, Muslims have a reasonably high birth rate (but this is not all Muslims, this applies mainly to the headscarf-wearing variety, which is by no means all of them), but so does the Franco-french population (les franco-français).

    Government handouts don't account for it (after all, those paltry payments in no way cover the cost of raising a child for most people). What these researchers fail to note imho when looking at all their baffling statistics is the presence of a culture that encourages having children.

  • My Daughter Will Be Starting University of Texas in September...

    04/24/2006 3:53:54 PM PDT · 24 of 28
    austinTparty to Pharmboy
    Dangit... link didn't take. Trying again
  • My Daughter Will Be Starting University of Texas in September...

    04/24/2006 3:23:27 PM PDT · 22 of 28
    austinTparty to Pharmboy
    Which reminds me, to properly set the mood, press here.
  • My Daughter Will Be Starting University of Texas in September...

    04/24/2006 3:13:00 PM PDT · 21 of 28
    austinTparty to Pharmboy

    If you think they love the University now---just wait until FOOTBALL season! It is not a sport in Texas; it's a religion. I can't wait. (Which reminds me---make sure your daughter gets set up for tickets. Nothing ties you to UT more from the get-go than going to a home field game... and you've got to learn "The Eyes of Texas" and "Texas Fight" BEFORE the game!). Man, now I'm getting nostalgic...

  • My Daughter Will Be Starting University of Texas in September...

    04/24/2006 2:54:59 PM PDT · 19 of 28
    austinTparty to Pharmboy
    *Sniff* You've done well, Pharmboy, very well. HOOK 'EM!

    That being said, many of the wonderful things that were around on campus when I was a student are gone: Captain Quackenbush's Intergalatic Espresso Cafe and Desert Company (Quack's got me thru college with its nearly intervenous drip of caffeine), Les Amis, Mad Dog & Beans, The Varsity Theatre... but many are still there: Scholz' Biergarten, Dirty Martin's Kumbak (up the Drag quite a ways, but still easily walkable), and any of a number of Vietnamese food carts that allowed me not to go hungry after I'd spent all of the rest of my money on books and booze.

    There's nothing to be afraid of in intellectual diversity---as long as your daughter stands up for her beliefs. I had a very liberal government professor who announced his colors at the beginning of the semester, telling any students uncomfortable with him should transfer out, but that he didn't care what you believed as long as you could support it in your writing. For that, I truly admired him. He also had get-togethers (totally apolitical) for his students, where he would provide beer and accompany Irish drinking songs on guitar. Sadly, Prof. Philpott committed suicide not long after I graduated. But I had some fantastic professors, a wonderful class teaching the history of the development of science that had us reading Galileo, Tycho Brahe and other direct source texts, and a class on art history that serves me well even today. I still remember the German Stammtisch on Wednesdays held by Professor Michael and his wife, who always baked treats for the occasion and also sewed the costumes for our German language plays (we also performed at Winedale, like the UT summerschool group that performs Shakespeare there).

    Anywhere in the world you meet a Longhorn, you're guaranteed to find at least *something* in common---your love of The University!

  • Would you hire this man? (rioting French layabouts)

    04/05/2006 4:37:42 AM PDT · 81 of 82
    austinTparty to Vicomte13
    It is not what *I* believe... it is well known within the country among most politicians and chefs d'entreprise that the country is reaching an untenable position. If you don't believe me, perhaps M. Balladur's words will provoke your interest:

    « Personne ne peut plus croire que nos institutions fonctionnent bien (...) Notre régime politique apparaît tantôt cadenassé, tantôt instable » (No one can believe anymore that our institutions function well (...) Our political regime sometimes appears deadlocked, sometimes unstable)

    The French companies that are doing well are doing well because of their activities OUTSIDE of France, others are subsisting merely because of protectionism. The best and brightest are leaving by droves, many to England, some to China, and myriad other countries because of the stifling regulatory burden on initiative. In your expat nostalgia, you are seeing the country as you want to believe it is, not as it truly is.

    But I will agree with you that the CPE was an utterly wrong way to tackle it. Sweeping reform across all ages is necessary. And there are many people willing to hire employees that won't hire under a CDI and prefer to turn away contracts, rather than have an employee they can't get rid of. If you believe everything is really fine inside of French commerce, you really are willfully blind.

  • LIVE THREAD: French Riots

    04/04/2006 3:19:27 PM PDT · 475 of 508
    austinTparty to Earthdweller

    It was only in the 4th and 5th during the protest march... it's certainly not in most areas, you're right. You might want to avoid the area around the Sorbonne, though... not far off the Latin Quarter. The CRS (the serious cops) are not in the mood to play games. :-) Enjoy your visit! Hope you took advantage of the sales last week!

  • Would you hire this man? (rioting French layabouts)

    04/04/2006 3:15:06 PM PDT · 74 of 82
    austinTparty to Vicomte13
    Franchement, I cannot let all this pass without a little commentary. France is not a country of personal freedom:

    A) freedom of speech does not exist (hate speech laws, anyone? Ask Brigitte Bardot); note also that newspapers are funded by the government, there is no truly free press in France (instead, the government "ensures diversity of the press" by ensuring that papers can't fail by subsidizing them heavily). The irony there is that it's far more expensive to buy a paper in France than in the US...

    B) The government controls 53% of the economy, has enacted extremely rigid labor laws which make it nearly impossible to become an entrepreneur and make it illegal to work at more than one full-time job. (note Vicomte (and God almighty, how I hate royalists---believing in superiority based on accident of birth, although I suspect you must be a Gaullist)-- in the US, most of the people who work at more than a full-time job do it by choice, either to gain enough to achieve a certain dream, or to get a new venture off the ground).

    C) Taxes are so confiscatory and regulation so onerous that none of your personal capital is truly your own. Don't believe me? Try evicting a non-paying tenant in France. You will still pay your mortgage, but the tenant doesn't have to pay you and you can't make them leave. There's always a way to be allowed to stay---get pregnant, become unemployed, you name it. Taxes are so ridiculously heavy that the black market is the thriving part of the economy in France. Polish plumbers were the latest bugaboo of the French, not because they'd displace legitimate French plumbers, but because those French plumbers would lose their lucrative under-the-table payments. Domestic workers were so notoriously paid under the table that the government had to come up with a freakishly byzantine tax incentive structure to get people to pay legally. French employees have very low salaries because they don't want to pay the taxes on salary, so they get paid "in nature" instead---with paid-for vacations, cars, etc., which the government approves of because it bases medical benefits payments on salary and would have to pay out more on higher salaries. Don't even start with the series of CDD (temp) jobs with which many French are stuck---because no one wants to hire anyone they cannot fire. The country is reaching SOL time, but refuses to acknowledge the need for reform, something the Germans have at least learned.

    Per your latest comment, Fascists and Communists are merely two sides of the same coin (although the communists are still going strong in France)---giving up personal control of your life to the government is common to both, just as it is common to current French society. Given your obvious deficiency of understanding on matters economic, there are some French authors with whom you must be sadly unfamiliar, including one of the most brilliant: Frédéric Bastiat (see here). Seriously, the French model is fated to collapse, just as the Soviet Union was fated to collapse, because the economic model is simply untenable. Not surprising that the French understanding is so skewed when even the so-called "right-wing parties" in France are far to the left of the left parties in the rest of Europe. Check out the chart in the current issue of "L'Expansion" for yourself if you don't believe me.

    The young are protesting because they are fearful of globalization, fearful of uncertainty and fearful of risk, period. You have obviously been too long out of France to have your finger on the pulse anymore. It is a country run as a nanny state for its infantilised citizens (see La Grande Nurserie : En finir avec l'infantilisation des français). And I say all of this as someone who is very very worried about the state of France and who has a stake in seeing it succeed.

  • LIVE THREAD: French Riots

    04/04/2006 2:21:39 PM PDT · 466 of 508
    austinTparty to Petronski

    Actually, it was along the route from the Place de la Republique to the Place d'Italie, so 3rd, 4th, 5th, down to 13th. The city is not all aflame, this is in pretty avoidable areas. It is as if the post-Rodney King riots were extrapolated to mean the US was a no-go zone. That said, there are some very violent "casseurs" coming in from the suburban ghettos to capitalize on the chaos. They have nothing better to do because literally 50% of them are unemployed. The strict French labor laws essentially keep them on the dole, where idle hands are the devil's playground...

  • Students fighting the free market

    03/29/2006 3:56:59 AM PST · 20 of 25
    austinTparty to MadIvan
    They already have socialism: 53% of the economy is controlled by the government. CGT is the communist union whipping up the students... they are all afraid that the CPE is just the thin edge of the wedge of reform. Frankly, the CPE ain't all that great, it's far far less than what it is described to be by most of the press. Also, on one hand, the riots are essentially a negation of representative democracy--the law was voted on and sent through, but on the other hand, Villepin used an obscure manoeuver to ram the bill through the chamber. Villepin, who has never held elected office, is tone deaf on politics and Sarkozy is a populist whose next actions you can't know.

    There are pro-capitalist, hardworking people in France---but so very many of them leave each year. Britain benefits from many of them. The US is impossible to get into for the French due to our new digital passport laws. But these are the types of immigrants we should all be welcoming: people who have educations, work hard and have a desire to succeed. I'm quite pessimistic about the near term future of France.

  • Sex In America (Burt Prelutsky Warns Our National Pasttime Makes The French Look Good Alert)

    03/29/2006 3:40:15 AM PST · 19 of 27
    austinTparty to peyton randolph; Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
    This is mid-century redux. They sell and use less soap in France because they tend to use shower gel instead. When I lived in Germany, it was the female unshaven pits and hairy legs covered in pantyhose that icked me out. And in Continental Europe in general, antiperspirant only became widely available quite recently. Actually, Western Europe hygiene standards are pretty much the same across the board, and people do tend to bathe and wash clothes less frequently than in the US, but not to the extent 50 years ago. Social class also plays a role.

    Part of the issue is the high cost of doing laundry. Only 18% of the French own a clothes dryer, it's also less than 50% in Germany, if I recall correctly. Water and electricity are expensive, and if you go to a pay laundromat, you're out a good $12-15 a load. Yes, $12-15 a load. 1 Euro (about $1.25) per 10 minutes in the dryer, and 8 Euros a wash (about $10). And don't even mention the cost of drycleaning.

  • Drive 55, Try to Stay Alive (students film the results of going the speed limit)

    03/07/2006 2:24:29 AM PST · 206 of 214
    austinTparty to LibertarianInExile
    Hope springs eternal and all that...

    As for me, I just wish that all politicians would go away and who the president of the USA is becomes completely irrelevant.

  • About 50% of Ukrainians nostalgic for Soviet times

    03/07/2006 2:16:06 AM PST · 38 of 41
    austinTparty to Grzegorz 246

    I didn't know Marx was a Longhorn! ;-P

  • Drive 55, Try to Stay Alive (students film the results of going the speed limit)

    03/03/2006 4:08:17 PM PST · 143 of 214
    austinTparty to SteveMcKing
    "A = A" is for dopes!

    Then you don't understand the reflexive property, it's role in math or Aristotelian logic (which brings us to another point: Ayn Rand did not come up with this gem... it comes from Aristotelian dialectical reasoning: the base of reasoning by logic---or do you think that's for dopes, too?)

    A=A for example may be used as a point of departure for any logical argument, such as that what we believe to be right derives from natural law. Without such a property, you cannot argue the validity of the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence. The concept that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights derives from Natural Law. If you don't accept Natural Law as the basis for a discussion on what it right and wrong, then you have no basis for discussing the legal basis of our society... and the whole thread unravels.

    Ergo, the reflexive property is useful and interesting because without it we have no common basis for discussion, we can agree about nothing because we cannot agree upon a starting point, and logic and reason cease to exist. If you still believe that this property is "for dopes", I suggest reading a little more on the basis of Western Civilization and Aristotelian logic. If you *still* don't change your mind, then you must believe that logic, reason and Western Civilization are for dopes. :-)

  • The demonstration at Place Republique

    02/27/2006 2:28:51 PM PST · 53 of 55
    austinTparty to BooksForTheRight.com

    Actually, this was heavily covered by French media in France... and many of the commentators were not using the word "racisme" but "barbarie" (barbarism)---which is frankly more accurate.

  • What are you giving up for Lent?

    02/27/2006 10:52:21 AM PST · 197 of 401
    austinTparty to Onelifetogive

    Right next to the scripture reference for teetotalling---which is somewhere right after the Miracle at Cana gave all the guests a massive hangover.

  • Texas Governor Rick Perry visits Iraq

    01/24/2006 12:01:22 PM PST · 18 of 32
    austinTparty to ladtx

    And Perry is former military, btw... pilot.

  • Warriors and wusses

    01/24/2006 11:57:25 AM PST · 36 of 51
    austinTparty to seanmerc

    He considers himself a "humor" columnist. Problem is, he simply is not funny. This certainly isn't... but, hey, at least he's honest.

  • Rose Bowl Live Thread

    01/09/2006 8:08:31 PM PST · 3,792 of 3,811
    austinTparty to SShultz460

    Yup for the whole lot of us! Just crazy-busy. But still a true Orangeblood. :-) You?

  • Rose Bowl Live Thread

    01/04/2006 10:53:24 PM PST · 3,216 of 3,811
    austinTparty to SShultz460
    Actually, there was a penalty for block in the back against USC... not sure about holding, but they did get called on "incidental" face-mask (although it was clearly not "incidental"---never mind, it still gave us 5 yards we needed for 1st Down).

    HOOK 'EM

  • Mother Sentenced to Four Years in Death of Daughter's Rapist

    12/20/2005 6:41:05 PM PST · 147 of 213
    austinTparty to cva66snipe

    See: "Jury Nullification"

  • Pastor's (Joel Osteen's)wife involved in flight disturbance

    12/20/2005 6:38:41 PM PST · 368 of 738
    austinTparty to Battle Hymn of the Republic

    I hate to tell you this, Battle, but teaching "word by word" and "literally" would be a huge mistake... let's just say that any translation is a compromise which necessarily changes the meaning of the original. You can't be literal with translated works, you have to take them in context. Additionally, if you don't understand historical context, you won't understand that certain words or customs had vastly different meanings than we would ascribe to them today. Hermeneutics...

  • France defends policies after riot (Finally admitting Muslims are rioting)

    10/31/2005 7:56:07 PM PST · 139 of 248
    austinTparty to firebrand
    Surely you jest. Sarkozy is the one who started cracking down: he pushed through the headscarf ban in public schools, among other things. France has also been far, far more cooperative with US Justice Department and CIA efforts than even Great Britain--we even have a joint intelligence center in Paris. Just do a little Googling on "Alliance Base." Or start by looking at this article.
  • Texas - have you seen this one?

    10/18/2005 8:45:28 PM PDT · 657 of 662
    austinTparty to Texas Eagle

    Well, I'm sure the slaves who learned they were free didn't think it was all that dumb..

  • Texas - have you seen this one?

    10/18/2005 8:40:31 PM PDT · 656 of 662
    austinTparty to Eaker

    *sniff*... kinda gets you... you know... right... HERE. I think the best thing I ever did for my kids was to make it possible for them to put "Texas" on their birth certificates. :-)

  • Hurricane Rita Freeper Sign In Thread

    09/22/2005 6:33:40 PM PDT · 632 of 690
    austinTparty to lonestar

    You've got folks praying for you, so you're not alone!

  • The hidden cost of free trade

    09/21/2005 5:47:18 PM PDT · 464 of 538
    austinTparty to A. Pole; v. crow
    Let's say for the sake of argument that you are correct, and that free-trade is bad and that government control of the economy is good. And let's ignore that prices would skyrocket, plummeting purchasing power into the toilet, causing massive reductions in the American standard of living. And let's ignore that the economy would stagnate, putting people out of work permanently becuase the economy would not be able to create new jobs to absorb them (unlike Schumpeterian creative destruction that occurs in a relatively unrestricted economy). Let's ignore logic and economics, in other words, but let's get down to the central point of your desire: a government-controlled economy. You'd also have to get rid of the stock market, because you've erased the market and thus any rational explanation for the stock market's existence. And then: How does the government maintain control of the economy? Controlling the means of production and the prices (which heretofore, as I explained, were set by the market which would now no longer exist). Then you'd have to determine your methods of distribution, because without market pricing, there is no mechanism to decide this except for a central planning committee--which is merely whittling the market down to a few people who cannot possibly have as much information to put into the calculus as the entire market would. Where have you ended up? On the Road to Serfdom.

    And incidentally, what authority gives you the right to claim control over me and the fruits of MY labor: my right to sell my goods to whomever wants to buy them, and my right to use that profit to buy from whomever I want to buy from? How you claim this somehow in the name of God is what I find most offensive. Theocratic communism, therefore? Sucking at the teat of Marx while clutching a crucifix--just like the "liberation" theologists of South America. You and your ilk are merely cultural statists and collective economists; using Orwellian speak to claim that allowing the government to control the economy is "liberty".

    And should you wish to quote on liberty, you might try quoting someone who actually believed in it:

    “Free trade is not based on utility but on justice.” –Edmund Burke

    and “The moment that government appears at market, the principles of the market will be subverted.” –Edmund Burke

    “If goods can't cross borders armies will.” –Frederic Bastiat

    "No nation was ever ruined by trade, even seemingly the most disadvantageous." -- Benjamin Franklin, Principles of Trade, 1774

    "Were we directed from Washington when to sow, and when to reap, we should soon want bread." -- Thomas Jefferson, Autobiography, 1821

    AND especially:
    "To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his fathers has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers, have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, the guarantee to everyone the free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it." -- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816