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  • NEW ZEALAND legalises prostitution

    06/25/2003 9:59:44 PM PDT · 138 of 203
    Blunderfromdownunder to shaggy eel
    Shaggs, you're full of it on this one - the Maxim Institute and the churches opposed to the bill brought down representatives from the "paid sex is rape" school of activist feminism to make a submission. And most of the research into the dangers of prostitution that was submitted by the same parties was from feminist authors.
  • Shroud of Turin

    04/18/2003 4:46:44 AM PDT · 24 of 36
    Blunderfromdownunder to jennyp
    Its called the Marine Resevoir Effect, and the offset is about 400 years. Basically, the ocean (and therefore the organisms within it) exchange carbon with the atmosphere much more slowly than do terrestrial organisms - it takes about 400 years for carbon isotope ratios in the ocean to "catch up" with those on land. This is another problem with early radiocarbon dating that was recognised fairly early on and has since been largely solved by calibration , although local effects for different parts of different oceans are still in the process of being accounted for. This is done by dating known age samples (eg from museums) and using the differences in returned radiocarbon dates as a delta-R value for actual archaeological samples.

    The whole story of getting a ludicrously ancient date from a modern bone/shell/piece of toast (which is the version I heard in church as a lad) is one of those creationist canards that tends to persist despite all arguments to the contrary.
  • Shroud of Turin

    04/17/2003 11:15:37 PM PDT · 19 of 36
    Blunderfromdownunder to Radioactive
    Radiocarbondating cannot be used to date anything that was alive more recently than about 1750 AD (which includes your seal bone). The major reason for this cutoff is the vast increase and fluctuation in atmospheric carbon since the industrial revolution, along with more recent atomic/nucelar missile tests. The amount of carbon in the atmosphere has always fluctuated but can be accounted for (radiocarbon calibration) by dating known-age items (eg wood from long-lived tree species whose age can be detrmined accurately using dendrochronology or tree-ring dating) and noting the offset between the dates. Scientists have created several "calibration curves" that can be used in this manner, but sadly there are far two many wiggles in the curve beyond about 300 years ago for the technique to be used reliably. OTOH anything from 300-10,000 years ago can be calibrated fairly accurately and beyond 10,000 years, to within centuries (the 10,000 year point is where scientists run out of samples of old wood to create their calibration curves).
  • Gallipoli apology 'absurd'

    03/12/2003 10:14:33 AM PST · 12 of 15
    Blunderfromdownunder to Semper Paratus
    Yes, and this had nothing to do with NZ wanting to keep 'our boys' in the Pacific to help stem the tide of Japanese aggression...oh no. Churchill said of Peter Fraser and his war-time leadership of NZ, that " He never put a foot wrong."

    Sounds pretty complimentary to me

    Oh, and look at the date on the article - its old news, no one took it seriously at the time and it was dismissed by 99.9% of the population (academics and otherwise) forthwith.

  • Some patriotic poems

    03/09/2003 4:47:16 PM PST · 2 of 19
    Blunderfromdownunder to USArocks
    Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
    Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
    Till on the haunting flares we turned out backs,
    And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
    Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots,
    But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame, all blind;
    Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
    Of gas-shells dropping softly behind.
    Gas! GAS! Quick, boys!--An ecstasy of fumbling
    Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time,
    But someone still was yelling out and stumbling
    And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime.--
    Dim through the misty panes and thick green light,
    As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.

    In all my dreams before my helpless sight
    He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.

    If in some smothering dreams, you too could pace
    Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
    And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
    His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin,
    If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
    Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs
    Bitter as the cud
    Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,--
    My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
    To children ardent for some desperate glory,
    The old Lie: Dulce et decorum est
    Pro patria mori.

  • Austrailia, New Zealand fail to reach agreement on Iraq

    03/09/2003 2:41:19 PM PST · 10 of 10
    Blunderfromdownunder to areafiftyone
    Holy crap! Two democracies can agree to disagree without turning to threats or bulling...Will wonders never cease?
  • Silent But Strong: Toni Smith's flag protest is a refreshing display of courage rarely seen

    03/01/2003 7:34:38 PM PST · 8 of 61
    Blunderfromdownunder to postaledde
    HOld on a sec - this chick is protesting expanding government power and Freepers are hassling her...?
  • Snatch and Grab for the Spoils of War

    01/15/2003 3:39:16 PM PST · 1 of 5
    Blunderfromdownunder
    Interesting but I dont know how reliable the column is. Two big issues I gues - do the Turks have any kind of claim to the Iraqi oil fields under international law and can the Kurds and the Turks come to some kind of agreement
  • Maryland church will vote on calling lesbian as pastor

    01/14/2003 4:54:33 PM PST · 31 of 38
    Blunderfromdownunder to Conservativegreatgrandma
    well, I did say "ex-girlfriend"...Cant blame her really, as by the time she started batting for the other team we hadnt seen each other in 8 months as my dad had had a stroke and I was on the other side of the world...What woman wouldnt go completely nuts if deprived of my presence for such a long time...Besides, she is still a wonderful person (however misguided) and her girlfriend is nice, even if she does look like my friend Colin.
  • Maryland church will vote on calling lesbian as pastor

    01/13/2003 9:41:19 PM PST · 15 of 38
    Blunderfromdownunder to Gamecock
    My ex-girlfriends *sob* current girlfriend is going to be ordained as a minister by the Disciples of Christ in February - she is currently a PhD student in a very prestigeous divinity school. Lovely ladies but I got the impression they buy from some Lesbian catelogue; their rooms are posted with "Dykes for Bush" buttons, Zena stickers and rainbow flags. I am kinda hoping that one day the ex will realise she has made a mistake but ah well, if wishes were fishes...
  • Life in AMerican Samoa

    01/13/2003 8:39:16 PM PST · 6 of 16
    Blunderfromdownunder to Quix
    Hi, and thanks for your reply. I have been to Fiji afew times to so I know roughly what kind of conditions I can look forward to on a Pacific Island, but Am. Sam is likely going to be a little different because 1)its not touristy 2)its alot smaller and 3)Its an American territory. For that reason I would assume its more like Guam or somewhere in micronesa,a s opposed to Fiji or Vanuatu.
  • Ancient Navigators Could Have Measured Longitude -- in Egypt in 232 B.C. !

    01/13/2003 8:18:53 PM PST · 75 of 101
    Blunderfromdownunder to muawiyah
    I believe it was Obelix who broke off the Sphinx's nose, although the hair that broke the camels back (Sphinx's schnoz?) may actually have been the weight of Dogmatix who may have been handging from Gerard Depardieu at the time...But I could be wrong.
  • Life in AMerican Samoa

    01/13/2003 8:13:25 PM PST · 1 of 16
    Blunderfromdownunder
  • High-Pressure Toilets Shake up Bathrooms

    12/17/2002 10:55:49 PM PST · 10 of 14
    Blunderfromdownunder to gcruse
    Three points possibly of interest
    1. I met a guy on the weekend who is starting to market a cisternless toilet which relies on some kind of venturi tube inserted into the plumbing.
    2. Why on my recent six-month stint in the USA (California, New Mexico, Indiana and Illinois) did I see no dual-flush toilets? Its hard to find a home built in NZ and Australia in the last 15 years which doesnt have them.
    3. With regard to mexican toilet smuggles, I seem to recall the plotline of a tv show (probably a sitcom) which concerned smuggling similar large toilets down from canada. Has anyone else seen this?
  • Indian cave looter hit with $2.5 million penalty (that's a lot of wampum)

    12/14/2002 10:40:23 PM PST · 7 of 8
    Blunderfromdownunder to pepsionice; All
    Nice conspiracy dude because archaeology is sooooo profitable - Temporary federal archy jobs for seven months a year at $7-9 an hour...God knows why those other mafioso would mess around with the chump change you can make running whores, drugs and guns...
    But seriously, archaeological sites are like any other finite resource; they should be protected where they can and explored/exploited carefully where they cant (ie if they are in the way of a highway development or gas pipeline). Each archaeological site is absolutely unique and blowing through them with the aim of making a few $$ selling projectile points on ebay or lining your fireplace with grinding stones is the act of a cretin - on par with torching a library or if you prefer a more topical case study, the Taliban blowing up the Bamiyan buddhas.
    But fairs fair, if you want to do it on your own property or on private property with the owners permission, no oone is gonna stop you...But you dont mess with archaeological sites on public land which have been protected for almost 100 years (Antiquities Act 1906).
  • Arabs fear wide-scale ‘regime change’ after America topples Saddam

    12/08/2002 9:01:27 PM PST · 44 of 84
    Blunderfromdownunder to JRandomFreeper
    I would want to know what IQ test was used to produce these figures. Any test of "intelligence" is bound to be culturall specific and this will skew the results. Case-in-point: I have an MA and consider myself a reasonably intelligent, well-spoken and well-read person, but I did very badly on the "analogies" section of the GRE because at no point in my New Zealand education had I come across questions of this nature.
  • Israeli Icon Under Fire (The Mythology Of Masada)

    12/08/2002 8:44:25 PM PST · 11 of 15
    Blunderfromdownunder to dts32041
    But the law of the gun was the only law/that Liberty understood/when it came to shooting straight and fast/he was mighty good.

    Wayne, Jimmy Stewart, all good

  • Israeli Icon Under Fire (The Mythology Of Masada)

    12/08/2002 5:14:35 PM PST · 6 of 15
    Blunderfromdownunder to blam
    The fact that Yadin went a little far in his interpretations of the Masada data was well known to the archaeologists and former Masada volunteers I worked with at En Gedi in 2001. And it is true that the Sicarii were for all intents and purposes terrorists - I saw first hand what they did to En Gedi, and helped excavate some of their victims.
  • The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

    12/02/2002 7:17:16 PM PST · 55 of 86
    Blunderfromdownunder to afraidfortherepublic
    Hi there. Evidently a Roman Legion got lost on its way to somewhere else (took a wrong turn in Persia or somesuch, no doubt). Once there they found their way into the emperors presence and he was so impressed he bade them join his army and most of them settled in China permanently. It comes as no surprise to most modern archaeologists that people were getting all over the place in ancient times. To some extent the original article posted is setting up a straw man in saying that archies have a hard time with Mair's research. OTOH unless these contacts had a marked effect on the behaviour of the people involved, they arent much more than interesting historical footnotes.
  • The Curse Of The Red-Headed Mummy

    12/02/2002 1:14:48 PM PST · 44 of 86
    Blunderfromdownunder to Hermann the Cherusker
    Herm said "Well, if you pick up a modern history of Britain, Chapter 1 starts off with, there were ignorant savages of unknown origins attempting to create a civilization, when in sailed Caesar and the Legions. Thousands of years of "pre-history" covered in two paragraphs"
    Dude, you seem to have missed the point in your own post; in scholarly discourse history and pre-history are two different things, one being written and the other not (obviously this is a fairly arbitrary division). Therefore, the "history" of Britain does start with J. Caesar (or perhaps with the Roman (or Greek/Phonecian even?) records of contact with Britain in the first century BC when coins, amphorae of wine, olive oil etc started making their way across the channel from Gaul and these transactions were recorded in the accounting files of the day. OTOH British prehistory, the happenings of Britains pre-literate societies, IS revealed in thousands of popular and scholar books and articles and hardly goes unremarked as you seem to imply. And to suggest that scholars see these people as "ignorant savages" is complete balderdash - you only have to read some of the almost fawning descriptions of iron-age and bronze-age craftsmanship and metallurgy to know this is untrue.
  • FBI had warning of attack on a civilian aircraft

    11/28/2002 7:40:32 PM PST · 6 of 55
    Blunderfromdownunder to twntaipan
    If El Al has countermeasures, maybe this charter company has them too; in which case the bump could have been an automated flare release?
  • Denmark: Et Tu Brutus?

    11/27/2002 9:08:29 PM PST · 15 of 17
    Blunderfromdownunder to Sparta
    Actually, of all the occupied European nations, Denmark did the most to protect and save its Jewish population
  • Los Alamos nuclear lab warns of radioactive trees

    11/27/2002 5:29:32 PM PST · 3 of 6
    Blunderfromdownunder to woofie
    Dude, if I paypall'd you some cash could you mail me some green chili? I left NM a month ago and I am jonesing bad! Heh heh, my boss when I was there was one of the guys who accidentally started the Cerro Grande fire - the enormous purple clouds from the fires freaked him out, but good. His wife is a LANL geologist who would tell him things like "If the fire gets into this canyon right here, leave the fire line, get in your car and dont look back"...Gotta love Los Alamos
  • Forest Service worker to plead guilty to Colorado wildfire

    11/27/2002 4:44:14 PM PST · 4 of 7
    Blunderfromdownunder to Arthur Wildfire! March
    The general concensus is that she wanted to put it out and get the praise for doing so; Seems like she had probably done it in the past as there are several incidents in her record where she "accidently" stumbled onto a "just started" forest fire and put it out.
  • for America's Cup enthusiasts

    09/22/2002 7:22:28 PM PDT · 4 of 24
    Blunderfromdownunder to rvoitier
    "Two world wars/and three America's Cups"...to paraphrase brit soccer fans, anyways. This kiwi in exile is ardently hoping for a third victory by the black boats of Team NZ...
  • Wealthy appetites await Clinton's golden words

    05/24/2002 7:54:14 PM PDT · 1 of 7
    Blunderfromdownunder
    I will probably wander down and have a look on monday night to see if there is anything going on.
  • Student Visa Fraud Ring Broken by 58 Arrests, Government Says

    05/08/2002 6:25:57 PM PDT · 13 of 16
    Blunderfromdownunder to 4Freedom
    Not that I used fraud but I just got a j1 visa and was amazed at how quick and easy it was; I didnt have to supply any references, my visa was issued by the American consulate in a day and a half and I didnt even have to talk to anybody. I will be entering the USA in a few weeks to work for a government agency without having to show any actual proof that I am competent...Thats messed up!
  • Pakistan - Bombs rock South Waziristan; Musharraf playing with Fire: Qazi

    05/07/2002 10:29:11 PM PDT · 2 of 11
    Blunderfromdownunder to swarthyguy
    At least four terrorist acts in Pakistan in the same day? Pattern, anyone?
  • Bomb rips through bus killing at least 10 foreigners, another 20 injured (KARACHI, Pakistan)

    05/07/2002 10:26:53 PM PDT · 28 of 29
    Blunderfromdownunder to witnesstothefall
    The NZ cricket team is on their way home now; they were around the hotel when the truck-bomb went off...Interestingly, they also just missed getting blown up by a suicide bomber in Sri Lanka several years ago. SOme of you dont seem to realise that there are lots of non-military westerners in Pakistan doing all sorts of things right now so its not too suprising that they were hit. A friend of a friend went to Pakistan in February to work as a teacher...
  • 20% Of New Zealand Military Gay Study Says

    04/28/2002 12:22:57 AM PDT · 24 of 89
    Blunderfromdownunder to LarryLied
    FYI the NZ Herald article says that the 20% gay figure is just the consulatants opinion(the more gays folks, the more consulting jobs he gets maybe?); its nowhere near a 'hard' number
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 8:05:38 PM PDT · 45 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to Blunderfromdownunder
    As for Tim Burnett, I want to know what he was doing to the Anglican Dean of ChCh that made him run his car off the round...Ooer
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 8:03:53 PM PDT · 44 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to shaggy eel
    Havent we had this conversation before? The one where I leave out a letter or something because I dont bother editing my posts because its not an essay or a letter to the editor or anything really important, and then you pull me up for it while completely ignoring the substance of the issue (I note that no one has defended Rodney Hide yet, suprise surprise). Really Shags, its makes you come across as callow, like those folks who slammed Dan Quayle for mispelling 'potato' instead of taking the time to slam him for his more substantive failings, ie being a tool.
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 7:50:42 PM PDT · 41 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to Kiwigal
    Thank you for your rather more polite words. Your offsider does tend to descend into potty-mouthed foaming sometimes, but I forgive him his frothing in that oh-so patronising and paternalistic manner you have come to expect form those of us on the other side of the aisle.

    ;-)
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 7:47:24 PM PDT · 40 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to shaggy eel
    Such vulgarity is unbecoming Shaggs, but I shouldnt be suprised given your politcs. OTOH my family has always said I would ultimately become a lawyer, a minister or a politician so who knows? I am afraid I am possibly a little to fond of the pleasures of the flesh for the Cloth, and have possibly spent to much time in universities already to go back for another round (that, and I wouldnt want to have to compete with my newphew at family gatherings). But if the archaeology doesnt work out, or I start to yearn for something different, I will certainly adhere to your wishes and enter politics. For the public good, and more specifically your own.
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 7:15:29 PM PDT · 36 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to kiwigal
    This question goes for you to. Still, soon you wont have to worry about my carping; my passport and relevant documents went to the US Consulate today and if all goes well I should be winging my way to New Mexico in a month to work for the USDA. I suspect that there I will be to busy for regular FR sparring sad to say :-/ I will of course say a prayer know and again for your troubled souls
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 7:11:29 PM PDT · 35 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to shaggy eel
    Ah well, as my knowledge of the breadth and depth human experience expanded I couldnt help but have the blinders lifted from my eyes ;-). As for ACT, heres what Russel Brown had to say about Rodders and the Sovereign Yachts "scandal" today:

    "The non-scandal of the week really has to be that concerning Sovereign Yachts, the company that last year set up a super yacht building facility on some land formerly occupied by Hobsonville airbase. The government and Waitakere City worked together to speed up compliance with regulations so the company, which is owned by expat New Zealander Bill Lloyd, could set up.

    It has been revealed that in the early 1990s, Lloyd traded in shares in the mining company Templar Resources, which was listed in the Vancouver Stock Exchange. He was its president and a director and failed to properly declare his trades - and was quite rightly slapped by the British Columbia Securities Commission, which in 1996 fined him $20,000, banned him from being a director of a publicly listed company for five years and told him to take a study course in governance. Fair enough.

    Yet there has been some startlingly lazy reporting on this. Various writers - most notably Jane Clifton in the Listener - have been happy to go along with the portrayal of Lloyd as some sort of fugitive from British Columbian justice.

    Shall we check this out, then? Oh look! There he is, being glowingly promoted, along with his business, on the website of the British Columbia Trade and Investment Office, which aims to help "strategic industries" and attract investment. So the state where he once breached regulations is providing active assistance to him and his company - and New Zealand, where he has never done anything wrong, shouldn't? Do me a favour ...

    Lloyd's ban on directing a publicly listed company in British Columbia overlapped by a couple of weeks the announcement that he would set up here. But Sovereign Yachts is not a publicly listed company. It's his money. And the new base in not in British Columbia.

    Moreover, it is tempting to muse that if New Zealand had insider trading laws as strict as those in British Columbia, then one or two prominent members of the local business community might find themselves in strife.

    Lloyd is also in dispute with several creditors - three according to Lloyd, six according to Hide, who, as usual, has no evidence to back up his higher number - in Canada, including a former designer. The total sum in dispute across all the claims is around a million dollars - which might sound a lot until you consider that the boats he builds retail for as much as 12 million New Zealand dollars. Furthermore, he has apparently deposited money with civil courts until the disputes are resolved. It is very hard to see what more he could do.

    Meanwhile, Hide continues to fling mud and simply walk away when it doesn't stick. He claimed the New Zealand government sold Lloyd four hectares of Hobsonville land at a knockdown price. Actually, it was sold for half a million dollars - the higher of two independent valuations - in accordance with the Public Works Act. Perhaps the land has since appreciated in value, but no one has produced actual evidence to that effect, still less that there was anything improper in the sale. Compared to the way in which various well-known New Zealanders made a killing in the 1990s out of buying and onselling public assets for huge profits, it seems inconsequential.

    Hide then claimed that a secret deal had been done to sell another 50 hectares of former airbase land to Lloyd. Again, no proof was offered and the allegations were not repeated outside the protection of Parliament.

    Meanwhile, the owner of the local contracting company that built Lloyd's giant boatshed has described him as "nothing but fair and honest". Lloyd is currently employing 40 people and plans to hire another 20 when a second yacht hull arrives from Canada in July. He has done all this with his own money. Rodney Hide - who was so recently happy to be hosted by Lloyd out on the harbour - seems to want to shut him down. It is shameful.

    Then there's the business with the New Zealand Post board - Hide again, this time with his fellow bottom-feeder Murray McCully. They produced this week a seven-month old memo from the eternally unhappy man of the Post board, deputy chairman Syd Bradley.

    In the memo, Bradley made various accusations against Post CEO Elmar Toime in a bid to have him removed before his contract ended. His fellow directors rejected the bid, leaving Bradley with two choices: resign if he felt he was right and they were wrong, or retract what he said in the memo. He publicly did the latter.

    Post has had a bit of explaining to do - especially over its brief, bizarre business development foray into Spain - but to demand the resignation of the Minister of State Owned Enterprises on the basis of something happened - or, rather didn't happen - seven months ago on its board is preposterous."

    Are you sure this is the sort of politician you want in government?
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 6:28:42 PM PDT · 33 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to All
    Transcript of Michael Cullen interview on Radio New Zealand re Dr Brash's resignation/National candidacy here
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 6:23:46 PM PDT · 31 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to Kiwigal
    Ouch, thats a mighty hefty cliche you are wielding! For me it was the other way around, I was an ACT-voting fiscal/social conservative at 18.
  • NEW ZEALAND: Central bank governor resigns!

    04/25/2002 5:09:06 PM PDT · 13 of 50
    Blunderfromdownunder to shaggy eel
    Has nopthing to do with the fact that hes been in the same job for almost 15 years and might be looking for a change...he is economically 'dry' so where else would he go? You will note that he has avoided your beloved ACT, from which we can deduce that he has both a heart and a brain ;-)
  • Rain falls as war dead remembered (ANZAC DAY)

    04/25/2002 5:05:46 PM PDT · 25 of 34
    Blunderfromdownunder to shaggy eel
    The number of people in the Auckland Domain in the driving rain was incredible...They had opened up both the large sports fields for parking and all the side streets were filled up too. My Dad served in NZ as a medic from '55-61 attaining the rank of Staff Sergeant (he was a conchie too; and I love him for it). My maternal Grandfather (RIP) was a Corsair mechanic on Bougainville (and a striking watersider in 1951). My paternal great grandfather was an 'Old Contemptable' (as the Kaiser described the members of the 1914 BEF to France) and lost a lung to mustard gas in the trenches. After the war he came out with his family to NZ.

    They Shall Not Grow Old
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/25/2002 4:56:44 PM PDT · 60 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to Jorge
    Not that theres much point arguing but: I havent heard Ian curse on stage, except when something goes horrendously wrong (He is a consumate professional)...Still, I havent been to every concert. As for the spitting, he is a vocalist in a rock band and theres bound to be some spittle flying about...If its that big a problem dont get so close to the stage, dude!
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 9:34:37 PM PDT · 49 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to Jorge
    Ian is saying that Christ's message needs to be rescued ('saved') from those who use it poorly, in vain, and so on.
  • Rain falls as war dead remembered (ANZAC DAY)

    04/24/2002 9:20:22 PM PDT · 9 of 34
    Blunderfromdownunder to New Zealander
    "Of the 8566 New Zealanders who fought in the Gallipoli campaign, 2515 were killed in action while another 206 died of disease and other causes. A further 4752 were wounded." NZ Herald, 25 April 2002
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 9:06:56 PM PDT · 44 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to majordivit
    "...and the bloody Church of England/In chains of history"
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 8:55:07 PM PDT · 41 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to Jorge
    Listen to the LYRICS man; he has issues with hypocracy in organised religion, especially the Church of England...Never caught anything overtly anti-god or whatever...Did you never listen to "A Christmas Song"?
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 8:50:49 PM PDT · 39 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to majordivit
    David Bowie - "I dont remember that!"

    classic!
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 8:48:10 PM PDT · 36 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to InvisibleChurch
    oooo Ian just said "social reality"
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 8:38:53 PM PDT · 33 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to majordivit
    I am with you...And also with John Donne, strangely enough...Its my philosophy
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 8:29:29 PM PDT · 29 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to majordivit
    Cheers

    Tell you what though, it pisses me off that they get so little respect, when in terms of public acclaim, the charts, and money making, they were up there with the Stones and Led Zep...Sure, they got a Grammy, but who cares about Grammys??
  • Jethro Tull Fans? They are performing live on Rockline tonight at 11:30 pm est

    04/24/2002 8:20:49 PM PDT · 25 of 94
    Blunderfromdownunder to Blunderfromdownunder
    cover art, I mean