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  • Televangelist Paula White Hawks Resurrection Life for $1144 "Seed"

    05/04/2016 7:46:18 PM PDT · 46 of 60
    boatbums to Gamecock
    Perfect example of:

    Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. (Titus 1:9-11)

    Paula and her ilk need to be rebuked and God WILL judge them.

  • Tampa Bay Times purchases Tampa Tribune

    05/03/2016 9:51:47 PM PDT · 9 of 16
    boatbums to shortstop

    I have to agree with you. We recently moved back to Tampa and I was happy to get the Tampa Tribune once again. I appreciated its Conservative bent and much preferred it to the blatantly liberal Times. Hopefully, they will keep some of those columnists and commentary from Conservatives. If they don’t then I will cancel my yearly subscription.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    05/03/2016 9:42:42 PM PDT · 451 of 453
    boatbums to terycarl
    Not at all, I believe that God inspired the scriptures and that Jesus founded a church which interpreted them and compiled a book (the Bible) which the church could, and still does, properly interpret. Do I think that everyone is capable of accurately interpreting the Bible?????The answer is NO, and it is very evident in the world today that there are those who attempt to do so and fail miserably. Please pay attention to Christ's original church and their teachings. They are the ONLY authorized and CORRECT authority on the Bible.

    I might agree with some of what you claim as long as it is understood that this "church" isn't exclusive to the Roman Catholic church. God has continued to set up pastors and teachers within the local assemblies to be in authority over their flocks and to teach them those things that God has revealed through His word and which is confirmed by the Holy Spirit to our hearts. This then enables others to evangelize within their families, friends and neighbors and so continue to build Christ's body, His bride, His church. This was the example the Apostles gave and the entire collection of written, Divinely inspired Scripture was recognized, copied, disseminated and taught among the early churches by the end of the first century.

    Where you continue to err is in asserting "your" church is the same "original" church that Jesus began nearly two thousand years ago. They're not. They have YET to even publish a "Roman Catholic church" commentary of Scripture and have left humongous gaps in "interpreting" all of Scripture. Heck, you guys skip over half of the Bible in your Scripture reading in Mass and even what is covered is basically just read with little expounding on what was read. How long are your church's homilies these days? Fifteen minutes? Twenty?

    Failure to understand God's word is more a problem of the reliance upon the natural man - which is incapable because a spiritual discernment is needed. God is not stingy in illuminating His truth to those who earnestly seek to know it. Sometimes all that is needed is a willing and open heart and an open Bible. Get over this elitist mindset and stop limiting God in whom and how He carries on the building of the spiritual temple of which ALL believers are its living stones.

  • Pray for Kate

    05/03/2016 11:30:02 AM PDT · 79 of 105
    boatbums to annalex

    Prayers lifted up for your Kate - for her healing and for comfort, strength and peace to guard all your hearts through Christ Jesus.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    05/02/2016 8:29:07 PM PDT · 421 of 453
    boatbums to terycarl

    Do you think Peter believed Scripture needed a magic decoder ring to understand like it was all written in undecipherable code? Scripture was written so that we may be complete, fully equipped and able to know the truth through the SAME Holy Spirit that inspired the writers and who now indwells believers.

    Did you need someone to interpret your users manual for the car you drive or was in pretty straightforward and easy to follow? Scripture was written so that we might believe and by believing have eternal life. God WANTS everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. Some, because of their own pride, will not be.

  • On the Need to Be More Urgent in Preparing for Final Judgment

    05/02/2016 8:18:57 PM PDT · 12 of 25
    boatbums to Salvation
    While we shouldn’t run around in a panic, we ought to have a lot more urgency in working for salvation. We can do this through daily prayer, frequent Confession and Holy Communion, holy fellowship, and reading/studying Scripture and Church teaching. We must practice the virtues learned in these holy sources and consistently seek the Lord’s grace and mercy.

    Those who run around in a panic are the ones who imagine they must be "working for salvation". They are the ones who have fallen away from grace. They SHOULD panic.

    Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. (Titus 3:5-7)

    Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. (Ephesians 2:5-10)

  • Texas youth pastor accused of sexually assaulting at least three kids gets beaten up by good....

    05/02/2016 6:54:53 PM PDT · 96 of 101
    boatbums to verga

    Proverbs 6:17-19

    There are six things the Lord hates,
    seven that are detestable to him:

    haughty eyes,
    a lying tongue,
    hands that shed innocent blood,

    a heart that devises wicked schemes,
    feet that are quick to rush into evil,

    a false witness who pours out lies
    and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    05/01/2016 8:28:33 PM PDT · 383 of 453
    boatbums to terycarl
    I have no idea...

    That's right. You don't. Stop trying to pretend you know things like that. You weren't there...you CAN'T know.

    And as for reading the words the Holy Spirit inspired the writers of Scripture to say, I will trust that same Holy Spirit to teach me what God wants me to know. Remember, Peter said it was the UNLEARNED and UNSTABLE who wrest and twist Scripture to their own destruction. I will trust God over man.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/30/2016 12:30:38 PM PDT · 297 of 453
    boatbums to rwa265

    That’s great. Were you encouraged to read and study them or were they just there?

  • The Meaning of Matzo - Unleavened Bread in the Bible

    04/29/2016 10:18:54 PM PDT · 15 of 19
    boatbums to captain_dave
    I understand you believe that and I hope that such believe guides you to a prosperous, peaceful and good life. However, there are significant theological differences between Christianity and Judaism. Significant Christian beliefs like original sin, a messiah as God incarnate, or that God, as a man, sacrifices himself to save people's souls from hell. Speaking of "hell", why would a loving God create a hell? And if you say "lucifer" or "satan" created it, then you believe in polytheism.

    Thank you for the kind words. I hope the same for you.

    There certainly are differences between Judaism and Christianity - some quite significant. However, it is true that the majority of the first Christians WERE Jews. Christianity didn't get invented out of whole cloth. It was/is the natural outcome of the fulfillment of hundreds of Old Testament prophecies pointing to the Messiah which includes the symbolism in the Passover Seder with all its parts including the hidden matzo spoken of in this OP.

    Doctrines such as the universal sin nature of man, the Divinity of the Messiah (God with us), the sacrifice of the Messiah for the sins of the world, even hell, are all doctrines found within the books of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. I'd be really honored to show them to you should you truly desire to know.

    I hope you have a blessed weekend.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/29/2016 9:29:42 PM PDT · 266 of 453
    boatbums to terycarl; Mark17

    We never had a Bible in our house nor did I ever see one in the Catholic school I attended for almost five years.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/29/2016 12:27:55 PM PDT · 258 of 453
    boatbums to rwa265
    So, are you admitting the author of the OP was wrong to presume the Catholic church mirrors the early church in the Acts of the Apostles?
    Not at all. The list is in addition to the hundreds of things we do at church that are mentioned in the bible; including the Acts of the Apostles.

    The same can be said of most Evangelical and Protestant churches. Because of this, Msgr. Pope's attempts to presume it is the Catholic church which best mirrors the early church spoken of in the book of Acts is what I would label as disingenuous or wrong.

  • The Meaning of Matzo - Unleavened Bread in the Bible

    04/28/2016 8:56:44 PM PDT · 13 of 19
    boatbums to captain_dave; Lera

    Because Jesus Christ, the Messiah, is the fulfillment of all that God was teaching His chosen people through their feasts and holy days. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/28/2016 3:18:19 PM PDT · 222 of 453
    boatbums to verga; Salvation

    Well, here’s a question..why do y’all keep throwing them out there, then? Sal is well aware after all these years that her provocative threads will INVITE controversy and disagreement. Yet she still posts the same stuff. Don’t complain about those who dispute the elitist conclusions, target the ones who start the ball rolling in the first place! That “horse” has company.

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/28/2016 3:09:17 PM PDT · 221 of 453
    boatbums to Mrs. Don-o; Elsie
    Want me to go through my list of 50 things we do at church, not mentioned in the Bible?

    So, are you admitting the author of the OP was wrong to presume the Catholic church mirrors the early church in the Acts of the Apostles? Brilliant! We agree!

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/28/2016 3:02:35 PM PDT · 220 of 453
    boatbums to Elsie
    We non-Catholics 'observe' an awful lot of time wasted with Mary, when you could be dealing DIRECTLY with GOD.

    'Cuz God's busy and Jesus is in a bad mood sometime so going to his Mom sounds like a good idea??? ;o)

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/28/2016 2:43:12 PM PDT · 219 of 453
    boatbums to Elsie
    On the other hand, he adds, "that those who do not serve Mary will not be saved; for those who are deprived of the help of this great Mother are also deprived of that of Her Son and of the whole court of heaven.

    I guess THIS St. John forgot to mention this to the other one???

  • Judge sentences former U.S. House speaker Dennis Hastert to 15 months in federal prison

    04/27/2016 10:41:52 PM PDT · 93 of 120
    boatbums to Timpanagos1

    I wonder why his home town/state even elected him to the house in the first place. Did they not vet people back then?

  • Judge sentences former U.S. House speaker Dennis Hastert to 15 months in federal prison

    04/27/2016 10:38:39 PM PDT · 92 of 120
    boatbums to Defiant

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t blackmail and extortion ALSO illegal??? Will there be any charges brought against the now grown adult former victim?

  • A Look at the Early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles

    04/27/2016 10:19:16 PM PDT · 93 of 453
    boatbums to af_vet_1981
    An unbroken chain from the First Century until this day, one holy catholic and apostolic church.

    Another myth just like the one the author of this OP tries to pass off by saying we can look at the early Catholic Church from the Acts of the Apostles.

  • The Big Bang Blows Atheism Sky High: Even Science May Eventually Catch Up to God’s Word

    04/26/2016 9:52:40 PM PDT · 29 of 35
    boatbums to Mr. Mojo

    Great read. Love Ravi.

  • Court Vacates Family Court Ruling Treating Fetus as a Child

    04/26/2016 9:20:14 PM PDT · 18 of 18
    boatbums to McCarthysGhost

    No problem! Glad you agree.

  • Court Vacates Family Court Ruling Treating Fetus as a Child

    04/26/2016 8:18:31 PM PDT · 16 of 18
    boatbums to McCarthysGhost

    I was making a wry comment. It galls me that an unborn child’s life seems only as valuable as his/her mother wants him to be. The irony in my statement is that the law recognizes that child killed when her mother is murdered and can prosecute for both lives but that same woman could pay an abortionist to murder her child and the law stays out if it.

  • The Church Testifies to the Resurrection

    04/26/2016 4:37:53 PM PDT · 190 of 194
    boatbums to delchiante; daniel1212

    What do you think is more critical to our faith? The belief that Jesus was God with us and that he died for our sins, was buried and rose again three days later to confirm he was who he claimed to be or that we MUST be sure to observe the EXACT day every year thereafter?

  • Court Vacates Family Court Ruling Treating Fetus as a Child

    04/26/2016 11:49:51 AM PDT · 12 of 18
    boatbums to McCarthysGhost; Behind Liberal Lines
    Yet If a pregnant women gets murdered it’s considered double murder by the courts.

    Only if the mother wanted the baby.

  • Cosmic Treason (Protestant/Evangelical Caucus)

    04/25/2016 12:42:24 PM PDT · 7 of 8
    boatbums to Gamecock

    It always got to me how many celebrities and notable people caught in outright and deliberate wrongs (i. e., adultery, theft, bribes, etc.), once the publicity forces a public statement, can only bring themselves to admit they “made mistakes”. I often think the only mistake they mean is in not being more careful in avoiding getting caught.

  • Bill Johnson;Experience Based Spirituality...Charismatic Post Mortem

    04/24/2016 2:51:30 PM PDT · 17 of 19
    boatbums to metmom
    I know people who do that all the time and you know what? NOTHING ever changes.

    I always wondered about that. Their powers of "binding" Satan sure don't work very well seeing as they have to keep doing it and that dude keeps slipping out. You'd think it might finally occur to them they might be getting something wrong. ;o)

  • Transgender Restrooms and Fitting Rooms? 162,000 Sign 'Boycott Target Pledge' in 1 Day

    04/23/2016 1:04:20 PM PDT · 64 of 75
    boatbums to Olog-hai

    I quit shopping at Target years ago when I heard from a friend that Target refuses to sell BB guns or toy guns of any kind. Not sure if it included water pistols but I think it probably does.

  • Steve’s Devotional - So What?

    04/22/2016 11:01:16 PM PDT · 6 of 6
    boatbums to metmom

    Amen!!! The resurrection of Jesus Christ is indisputable for anyone willing to be honest about it. I’ve heard some real doozies from people trying to explain how it didn’t happen but they all fall short. And because He is risen, we can KNOW He is the way, the truth and the life - just as He said. The truth of the resurrection has turned many a doubter into a believer. Praise God!

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:50:14 PM PDT · 74 of 196
    boatbums to WVKayaker

    LOL! Never needed it! It’s been a while though.

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:47:29 PM PDT · 73 of 196
    boatbums to Jamestown1630; varina davis

    Florida lobster is by far the best lobster. Way better than the Maine lobster. If you can get it fresh, there’s nothing like it!

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:44:47 PM PDT · 71 of 196
    boatbums to varina davis

    Amen on the stone crabs! I actually like them cold with the mustard sauce better than butter. I just wish they weren’t so expensive.

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:41:29 PM PDT · 70 of 196
    boatbums to Jamestown1630

    I actually love boiled peanuts! Especially the big ones called “goobers”. All it takes to make them is you get fresh, in the shell peanuts (many grocery stores have them), cover them with fresh water in a pot and add a lot of salt - I’d say a quarter cup for every pound of peanuts. It sounds like a lot but the salt has to penetrate the shell and flavor the nut meat. Bring to a boil, then simmer a few hours over low heat. Test one for tenderness and saltiness. I don’t cook mine to the mushy stage as they should be just tender all the way through (the peanut, not the shell - they’ll never get tender). Don’t eat the shell! You can also add some red pepper flakes to the water if you like a little spiciness. Great with a cold beer!

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:24:15 PM PDT · 69 of 196
    boatbums to Jamestown1630

    We tried Tanner crab last week for the first time. It is like Alaskan snow crab but we decided we liked snow crab better for its texture and sweetness. Hubby likes his with melted butter but I’ve started liking the mustard sauce usually served with stone crab - my REAL favorite kind of crab.

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:16:34 PM PDT · 68 of 196
    boatbums to Jamestown1630

    Grew up eating blue crab from Lake Pontchartrain in New Orleans. Those were the meatiest and sweetest ones I’ve ever had.

  • Weekly Cooking (and related issues) Thread

    04/21/2016 10:10:35 PM PDT · 66 of 196
    boatbums to Jamestown1630

    I have a quick, easy and scrumptious recipe for crab dip. You take an 8 oz. block of cream cheese and add one stick of butter in a casserole dish and melt them in the microwave or on stovetop. Stir to combine well. Gently stir in 1 pound of lump crab, the juice of one lemon and some freshly cracked black pepper. Serve warm with pita toasts or crackers. Yummy!

  • Pro-Life Feminist: It’s Time for Women to Stand Up to the Phony “War on Women” Nonsense

    04/20/2016 12:42:54 PM PDT · 8 of 8
    boatbums to Lorianne

    In 1916, Sanger opened the first birth control clinic in the United States, which led to her arrest for distributing information on contraception. Her subsequent trial and appeal generated controversy. Sanger felt that in order for women to have a more equal footing in society and to lead healthier lives, they needed to be able to determine when to bear children. She also wanted to prevent unsafe abortions, so-called back-alley abortions,[3] which were common at the time because abortions were usually illegal.[citation needed] She believed that while abortion was sometimes justified it should generally be avoided, and she considered contraception the only practical way to avoid the use of abortions.[4]

    Sanger opposed abortion, but primarily as a societal ill and public health danger that would disappear if women were able to prevent unwanted pregnancy.[18]


    I have no doubt that Sanger would approve of safer modern day abortion procedures and be proud that the organization she founded is the largest provider of them. That even today these services are located predominantly in minority areas and abortions make up their primary and largest financial income source shows Sanger’s ideals of “negative eugenics*” survive.

    *the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, especially by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed superior.

  • Pro-Life Feminist: It’s Time for Women to Stand Up to the Phony “War on Women” Nonsense

    04/19/2016 11:02:11 PM PDT · 4 of 8
    boatbums to TEXOKIE
    Margaret Sanger - the founder of Planned Parenthood - used abortion and birth control to eliminate those she and her fellow eugenicists deemed “undesirables” (i.e., the poor blacks and whites, the feeble-minded, etc.) as drains on society. She was a flaming racist. She imagined she could create a Utopian society that way and Hitler thought the same way. Her “clinics” were, and still are, placed within the inner cities close to the groups she targeted. I often wonder if those who so fiercely defend and support PP realize how it started and the underlying motivation behind what they do to “help” women?
  • Pro-Life Feminist: It’s Time for Women to Stand Up to the Phony “War on Women” Nonsense

    04/19/2016 10:21:21 PM PDT · 2 of 8
    boatbums to kathsua

    Totally agree! The women that stood up for women’s rights at the start like Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Louisa May Alcott and Susan B. Anthony were overwhelmingly pro-life and saw abortion as a convenience for men to shirk their responsibilities. They worked to protect women and children from abortion. It is the pro-aborts who are really waging a war on women - not those who want to respect and protect innocent human life.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/19/2016 9:44:05 PM PDT · 396 of 397
    boatbums to metmom

    I don’t think being stalked by an atheist on a Religion Forum thread should be any surprise or disconcerting. That a Catholic freeper would pile on and find agreement with such tells all we need to know about both views. Besides, your words are obviously getting through seeing the overreaction they cause. We should remember them in our prayers for the Holy Spirit to continue to enlighten hearts and minds to the truth of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ Jesus. Count it all joy!

  • The Sickness Unto Death...Charismatic Post Mortem pt 4

    04/18/2016 9:33:02 PM PDT · 12 of 15
    boatbums to Fai Mao

    I would add the gullibility of some who seek after signs - a need to have tangible and visible proofs - instead of walking by faith. Many get caught up in what they believe are miracles and then believe whatever else the miracle worker preaches.

    We see it happened way back in the past, too, with so-called apparitions of Mary or testimonies of “saints” who claim to have had visions or spoken to angels and deceased saints. The human mind has an affinity for such things but ALL things should be measured against the more sure word of prophecy - Sacred Scripture, the divinely inspired word of God. Satan can deceive with signs and wonders, too.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/18/2016 4:06:49 PM PDT · 357 of 397
    boatbums to verga

    Here’s a thought...go back and read your OWN words (if they really are yours) and strike through all the extraneous conjecture, premature conclusions and YOPIOS (your own private interpretations of what Scripture actually says) and then decide if you really HAVE “clear Scriptural proof”. That includes the passages you skip over and/or ignore because they logically disprove this “unassailable” proof you keep insisting you have presented.

    This is why I don’t accept this dogma. It really has nothing to do with it being a Catholic belief. Unless you can deal with that, don’t waste your time trying to bully me into swallowing it. It won’t work.

  • Meet my new kitten!

    04/17/2016 10:24:01 PM PDT · 77 of 90
    boatbums to EinNYC

    That’s a very lucky kitty to have you for her Mom! I think Kefira would be proud to have you give a home and wonderful life to another. I know firsthand they heal our hearts.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/17/2016 10:12:28 PM PDT · 332 of 397
    boatbums to mitch5501
    The unlearned and unstable do that - to their OWN destruction.

    Where Catholicism erred is by having a pope declare this a dogmatic truth under an ex cathedra pronouncement. This makes belief in this a mandatory matter of faith for Catholics with some of them asserting it must also apply to all of Christendom. That's why we have these never ending, never resolved arguments on the RF. Trying to prove it by Scripture is futile. Not only does it not say that in Scripture, it is disputed by Scripture. That's why they must place God's word on equal footing with their traditions and their magesterium.

    Nice to hear from you! How's the weather? My nephew and his wife just got back from vacation from there and New Zealand. They had a great time. I'd love to visit there one day.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/17/2016 9:49:30 PM PDT · 330 of 397
    boatbums to verga; metmom
    I trust I will see similar comments from you when metmom makes her regular (Daily?) "Studying God’s Word ping"

    Won't need to since she is posting articles from Bible teachers and pastors - not her own work. She doesn't post them and then challenge everyone to prove the writer wrong like you did here. Your intent was crystal clear in writing what you did and the fact that you are incapable of hearing opposing views without accusing others of not reading, being ignorant, lacking intelligence, etc., only proves it.

    I wrote and posted this for two reasons:
    1) It is the absolute unvarnished truth that needed to be said and heard.

    Unvarnished??? Nope, you slathered on the varnish so thick there was very little "truth" showing at all. Do you think you stated anything new or undiscovered over the dozens of times this topic has come up in the past?

    2) Not one of you can say that "There is no scriptural backing for the Catholic belief in the perpetual virginity of Mary." If you are honest the very most you can say is: "There is scriptural backing, we just choose to read/ interpret it differently."

    There you go again. We must not be "honest" if we reject your conclusion? Here's the thing verga, IF there really was Scriptural proof of this dogma I WOULD accept it. You really don't have undeniable proof from Scripture and more than a few places in Scripture that prove the opposite. It is you who seems to be unwilling to be honest about them.

    Why can't you just agree to disagree seeing as this is not a salvific tenet of the Christian faith? I certainly can. I'll bet metmom can, too.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/16/2016 10:27:52 PM PDT · 309 of 397
    boatbums to verga
    I know you didn’t read it because I provided example’s of what it meant directly from scripture. Any one that is foolish enough to think betrothed means merely engaged, has never read the Bible for any depth.

    No, you are wrong. I did read it -stop insinuating I lied. I never said betrothal was like modern engagement - you were the one doing that when you insisted Joseph couldn't have divorced Mary unless they were "married". Here's what you said which prompted my little lesson on Old Testament Jewish betrothal:

    No She was BETROTHED. For all intents and purposes they were WED. If they were not married but only “engaged” it would not have been necessary for Joseph to divorce her. Matthew 1:19 “Ἰωσὴφ δὲ ὁ ἀνὴρ αὐτῆς, δίκαιος ὢν καὶ μὴ θέλων αὐτὴν δειγματίσαι, ἐβουλήθη λάθρᾳ ἀπολῦσαι αὐτήν.” Matthew 1:19 “Whereupon Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing publicly to expose her, was minded to put her away privately”. The word ἀπολῦσαι from Strong’s concordance 630 /apolýō ("to release") is specifically used of divorcing a marital partner We see the exact same term used when Jesus is discussing marriage and divorce in Mt 1:19, 5:31,32, 19:7-9. On the way to Bethlehem the Scripture still refers to them as BETROTHED.

    Can you not understand what I was trying to clarify to you?

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/16/2016 9:59:35 PM PDT · 307 of 397
    boatbums to verga; ealgeone
    Sorry not jumping through your hoops. My case was fully proven, some just don’t care about the truth enough to see it.

    See, I knew you only posted this thread NOT to discuss the subject but to present what you probably thought was an airtight open and closed defense of your "case". Your boastful presumption added to your posting history has resulted in just another warmed over, stale rehashing of what others have written books on - and you conclude those who disagree with your case do so because we "don't care about the truth". What gall! I do hope you didn't imagine you would change anyone's mind.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/16/2016 5:54:56 PM PDT · 275 of 397
    boatbums to Elsie
    Maybe you don’t know this but the Roman Catholic church makes belief in the Marian dogmas (her sinlessness, her perpetual virginity and her bodily assumption into heaven) mandatory.

    I imagine we'll get the usual suspects coming from the woodwork to refute this statement.

    They can try but they would be lying. Whatever the Roman Catholic church declares dogmatically to be believed MUST be accepted or else one is guilty of a mortal sin to reject it. And...we know what they believe about people dying with a "mortal" sin on their soul.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/16/2016 5:33:53 PM PDT · 273 of 397
    boatbums to verga

    Stop assuming I haven’t just because I reject your conclusions. You sounded like you were not aware of what “betrothal” meant. I’m not convinced you do even after it has been explained to you.

  • A scriptural defense of the Perpetual virginity of Mary

    04/15/2016 10:37:51 PM PDT · 156 of 397
    boatbums to ealgeone

    I know. This so-called appealing to Scripture for their defense is a sham. Everyone knows they don’t believe Scripture is the primary authority.