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Posts by Boogieman

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  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 6:13:37 PM PST · 678 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “I can see the way you focus on the wrong things that you have many stumblingblocks, as do a couple others on here.”

    Thanks, but I honestly can’t put much stock in your opinion on the matter.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 6:04:17 PM PST · 675 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “Not a mood, it’s rightly dividing the Word.”

    Well, it must be “rightly” to you, since you can’t seem to tell us an objective way for others to apply the same standard. So, it’s subjective, subject to your moods.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 6:02:13 PM PST · 674 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “I read part of the book of Enoch, it struck me as untrue and not very old.”

    There are two versions of the Book of Enoch, one is more recent and obviously modified by some kind of gnostic/heretical sect. The other can be documented of authentic Hebrew origin from that time period, because matching fragments of the text were found with the Dead Sea scrolls.

    “Good examples. I never heard it until I did deeper studies.”

    It’s not the fashionable explanation nowadays, so I’m not surprised. When you go to read the old sources, though, it does seem to be the most widespread reading of the text.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 5:56:25 PM PST · 669 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “I can’t help you understand the Word...”

    Well, I think that is quite apparent. You want us to substitute a day for a thousand years, but only when the mood strikes you and you can’t explain when or why that is. I think I’ll stick with a more sensible method.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 5:52:48 PM PST · 667 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    I asked you a question, despite you attempts to make it into something more, that’s all it was.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 5:47:02 PM PST · 665 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    Well, there is the Book of Enoch, which is at least as old as the Dead Sea Scrolls, so no later than the 1st Century AD. The Book of Jubilees also assumes the same interpretation, and is at least as old as Enoch.

    Josephus ascribed to that interpretion in “Antiquities of the Jews”, ca AD 94. It was also the commonly expressed opinion of the early church fathers, recorded by the Anti-Nicene fathers, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Clement, and others. The interpretation was also recorded in the Jewish Midrash Targum Yerushalmi (pseudo-Jonathan), of uncertain date, but probably composed between 800-1300 AD.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 5:30:16 PM PST · 661 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “What was true for 2350BC to 1950BC should be true for 1614AD to 2014AD...”

    It might be, if you were using comparable samples and there was just the one variable to account for, but that’s not the case with your example.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:47:20 PM PST · 636 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “I can easily recognize people descended from non-European ancestors that have been here 400 years.”

    Which still does nothing to demonstrate what you were trying to demonstrate with this example, for reasons I have already explained (it’s an apples to oranges comparison, and you can’t control for other variables).

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:42:45 PM PST · 633 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    Well, according the rules of the religion forum, what you think my motivations were is not a fit topic for discussion on this thread.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:32:53 PM PST · 630 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “Are you saying people recently became “squeamish” about the “historical” belief that supernatural fallen angels bred hybrids? You’re saying that the historical interpretation of Gen 6 is that those were fallen angels mating with daughters of men?”

    Well, perhaps squeamishness is not the best way to characterize their motivations, but yes. That is the traditional interpretation, not an innovation.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:30:08 PM PST · 629 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “A slight change in skin color isn’t much compared to what would have had to happen after Noah.”

    Yes, but that’s only a superficial observation. I don’t think anyone has done any rigorous study on this, so we can’t quantify the effects of interbreeding. Without that, we can’t know how much of any changes we do observe are due to interbreeding, or might be due to environmental adaptation.

    In other words, it’s a badly compromised example, since you can’t control for other experimental variables.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:26:40 PM PST · 628 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “Would you condemn me for asking if you were a serial killer?”

    Honestly, I would probably just laugh, because why would anyone ask that? It’s not like a serial killer would admit it.

    I see what you are getting at, but still, I merely asked a question, to make sure I knew who I was dealing with. Some of the ideas you were expressing were identical to those espoused by people who also espouse the idea I asked you about, so I don’t see how that was an inappropriate question to ask. If I started saying that I believe that Jesus visited North America to preach to the Indians, I could not rightly get offended if people asked if I was a Mormon.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:21:48 PM PST · 626 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “I’ve told you the principle, to rightly divide the word as we’re instructed to do:”

    Well, that is not an answer to the specific question you were asked. If I asked you “how do you multiply two numbers” and you said “study math”, I would categorize it similarly as a non-answer.

    “I guess that may not mean much to some but to me it means to think of the situation and use discernment to put the verses being studied in the proper context.”

    What you state here is a subjective method, not an objective one. In order for it to be a sound method for interpreting Scripture, anyone should be able to apply it and achieve similar results.

    “Of course there is a special way to understand God’s Word! It’s not meant for hypocritical Pharisees, scripture lawyers with evil intentions, or those who do not study to show themselves approved. Jesus himself said it is meant for only those that He wants to understand:”

    Yes, yet we are all Christians here (save a few strays that wander into these threads), so we have no excuse for claiming some special method for understanding Scripture that others would not be able to apply. Christ may not have expected the Pharisees to understand mysteries, but He certainly expected His disciples to understand and be in agreement.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:09:58 PM PST · 620 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    No, I did not.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:08:23 PM PST · 619 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “I would think interbreeding would hasten everyone to be more similar. That has not happened to a great degree.”

    Says who? Black Americans are easily observed to be several shades lighter, generally, than black Africans. I’m sure if anyone bothered to do a scientific analysis, they could find other similar changes due to interbreeding.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 3:03:51 PM PST · 618 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    No, if I had assumed something, then I wouldn’t have bothered to ask you the question. I observed that something might be the case, and asked a question to determine if it was true or not. You’re really reaching here trying to condemn me for asking you a question.

  • Walmart Black Friday Protests Hit Major Cities With Calls For '$15 And Full Time'

    11/28/2014 2:20:04 PM PST · 5 of 52
    Boogieman to 2ndDivisionVet

    Alternate headline: “Unions Try to Con Walmart Workers Into Demanding Their Own Layoffs”

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 2:17:59 PM PST · 611 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “Well, you’re dead wrong and making false assumptions.”

    In order to be wrong, I’d have had to make an assertion, which I didn’t do. I simply asked a question.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 2:14:29 PM PST · 610 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “In 400 years here in America with our temperate climate, the peoples from tropical areas have not changed.”

    You are comparing apples to oranges. Those people in America are not starting from a pre-flood genome and then adapting, so the starting point is different, and the changes that would need to occur in the genome are also different. We also have plenty of interbreeding in America to muddy the waters, so I doubt any such subtle changes over time would be easily distinguishable from the effects of interbreeding on the population.

    “God has had to have saved them from before Noah somehow.”

    I think God would know if He did, but instead, God told us He only saved eight souls. I’m sorry, but I’m going to have to believe God over you in this matter.

  • Lessons from the Ferguson Fiasco

    11/28/2014 2:05:16 PM PST · 4 of 8
    Boogieman to NaturalBornConservative

    “When a police officer asks you a question, answer it, and then shut your mouth.”

    No, when a police officer asks you a question, say “I want to speak to my attorney, I don’t consent to any searches, and I reserve my right to remain silent” and then shut your mouth.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 1:52:02 PM PST · 607 of 713
    Boogieman to Cvengr

    “there is definitely sound historical basis to support that interpretation”

    That’s probably an understatement, since that is the only way the text was understood historically, by both the Jews and early Christians. It was not until very recently that people became “squeamish” about the implications and started positing other explanations.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 1:46:55 PM PST · 606 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    If you can’t state your principle, such that it can be objectively applied by others, then what else can I assume?

    As it stands, you have basically said that there is a special way to interpret the Bible in order to get the real meaning, but you will not divulge the method so that others can apply it. So, essentially, if you were correct, you would be appointing yourself “Pope” of Biblical interpretation, since nobody else could reliably interpret anything, not having access to this secret principle of yours.

    Now, obviously that is ridiculous and cannot be true. God did not reserve the truth of Scripture for you alone. So, I am left only with the possibility that your principle doesn’t really exist, or why else would you not divulge it?

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 1:42:21 PM PST · 605 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “In my example I said more than 400 years.”

    Well, there have been a lot more than 400 years since the flood, so why couldn’t the changes have been due to environmental selection? We see the same types of changes in groups that migrated to new environments more recently than other groups, such as the melanesians and aborigines. For a long time, people assumed they had to have descended from sub-Sarahan Africans to have such “negroid” features, but the genetics show that is not the case. The features developed independently and were not passed down from their ancestral group.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 1:37:55 PM PST · 604 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “There were about 30 posts dealing with the sixth day creation before I arrived, some yours, so you have more posts on it than I do.”

    None of them, that I saw, made any mention of race, we were discussing it in a different context.

    “And it was you that brought up the curse of Cain and “subhumans”, which has nothing to do with the sixth day creation.”

    Sure, I brought it up, to ask if you were a subscriber to that old ideology, since some of your posts seemed to suggest you were veering towards that territory.

  • Quantum gravity: The most exciting discovery in physics could come about thanks to telecoms satellit

    11/28/2014 11:47:33 AM PST · 20 of 35
    Boogieman to MHGinTN

    “Two steps of 10-52 metres each ... it’s a short walk.”

    Aye, but here’s the rub: there’s no such thing as 10 ^-52 metres. Nothing can be shorter than the Planck length.

  • Quantum gravity: The most exciting discovery in physics could come about thanks to telecoms satellit

    11/28/2014 11:45:05 AM PST · 19 of 35
    Boogieman to LibWhacker

    “And there’s one area where the use of qubits is anticipated with particular eagerness: data security. In any communications system, sensitive information such as financial data can be encoded and sent to a recipient who has the key to the code. The trouble is, it’s always possible for a third party to sneak into the network and secretly learn the key. It was this kind of breach, for example, that recently leaked the credit card numbers of millions of customers of US retail chains such as Target and Home Depot. Qubits should prevent that.”

    This is a double-edged sword, actually. Qubit based encryption might be much stronger, however, the appearance of usable quantum computers would instantly make insecure all non-qubit based encryption that was previously used. So all the historical data that is sitting around, encrypted under the old standards would be like open books to anyone with a quantum computer, since they could brute force the encryption open in minutes, perhaps seconds.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 11:18:40 AM PST · 581 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “Evolution? Even so, there was not enough time to change bones and such.”

    Oh really? How long does it take to “change bones and such”?

    “You’ve been focusing on it a lot more than I have. lol”

    You brought it up, I’ve just been trying to figure out why you seem to think it matters in a Biblical discussion.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 10:03:01 AM PST · 570 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “BTW, you dodged the question. If everyone on earth is descended from Noah in 2350BC, then how is it we have blacks, orientals, pygmys, the red man, and everyone in between?”

    Well, you didn’t actually ask that question, you asked whether three brothers from the same family were different races, which is quite an odd question to ask.

    Now that you ask, I will say, the races are quite obviously the result of environmental adaptation, specifically to the environments that people settled in after the flood. Also, the races do not seem to correspond to which of Noah’s children someone descended from. Both Hamitic and Semitic people settled in the Middle East, for example, and experienced the same environmental pressures, and ended up morphological similar, while Hamitic peoples who settled in sub-Sarahan Africa ended up looking much different.

    Of course none of that is really relevant, since the Bible doesn’t bother to talk about race, because it isn’t important. Which makes me wonder why it seems important to you.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 9:57:37 AM PST · 569 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “We are instructed to rightly divide the Word. It takes a lifetime of study to make good progress in rightly dividing the Word.”

    Sounds like a whole lot of words to say “No, I don’t have any objective principle of interpretation, I just apply the rule when I feel like it”.

    If that is not the case, then you would be able to state a consistent interpretive principle plainly. If you can’t do that, then I assume it doesn’t exist.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 9:55:33 AM PST · 568 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “There’s plenty of evidence for artifacts of certain cultures going farther back than 2350BC, way farther.”

    Well, you go ahead and believe your interpretation of that evidence, and I will believe the Word of God. Someday, we will know which is right.

    “They had souls.”

    Not according to the verse I quoted. Only eight souls survived the flood, so if you say others survived, they could not have had souls, unless you want to call God a liar.

  • 'There has been... an awakening': Explosive Star Wars Episode VII teaser reveals new cast-members

    11/28/2014 9:39:40 AM PST · 23 of 36
    Boogieman to a fool in paradise

    Lucas just wanted to remake the chariot race from Ben Hur, that’s all that was.

  • 'There has been... an awakening': Explosive Star Wars Episode VII teaser reveals new cast-members

    11/28/2014 9:38:20 AM PST · 22 of 36
    Boogieman to gaijin

    They couldn’t even save the stormtroopers from the stone-tipped spears and rocks that Ewoks were tossing at them.

  • White people told 'not to take up space' at Michael Brown vigil in Toronto

    11/28/2014 7:45:28 AM PST · 46 of 65
    Boogieman to tellw

    Last point:

    * If the crowd gets riled up and wants to rob/beat/rape/murder someone, please volunteer your services as a victim. Remember, you deserve it whitey!

  • Same-Self Marriage

    11/28/2014 7:41:01 AM PST · 15 of 24
    Boogieman to ReformationFan

    Men might sleep with themselves, but only women are crazy enough to marry themselves.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 7:32:32 AM PST · 546 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “No, we study to know when a day is a day to us and when a day is a day to God:”

    Then you must have some rule or principle that you can tell us, so that we can apply that principle consistently in determining which is which. Do you have such a principle? Or do you just choose “a day” or “a thousand years” depending on what is convenient for you?

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 7:08:20 AM PST · 543 of 713
    Boogieman to terycarl

    The Hebrews were not stone age aborines, they were living in the cradle of civilization. They used the earliest alphabet invented in the world. They had just left Egypt, a center of learning and technology, and would soon enter Israel and then begin building their own marvel of engineering in Jerusalem. They may have been pastoral, but I don’t think we can assume they were morons.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 7:03:29 AM PST · 542 of 713
    Boogieman to editor-surveyor

    What about voyeurs? They like to observe...

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 7:01:29 AM PST · 541 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “So Shem was white? Ham was black? Japeth was Oriental?”

    Why would you assume they all had to be different races? That’s a strange assumption. Are you going to tell us that black skin is the “curse of Cain” next?

    “All this in 2350BC? How do you explain Chinese history which goes back before 2350BC?”

    The Egyptians claimed their Pharaohs ruled for tens of thousands of years, but we know that is not true. Nearly every pagan culture claims an impossibly long history, and they also usually claim to have always lived in the land they are in now, despite the fact that we know they migrated from elsewhere. Those writers were simply not very reliable.

    “The purpose of the flood was to kill the hybrids, the progeny of the fallen angels and the daughters of Adam. God didn’t have to kill all of the blacks, the orientals, or anyone else, Satan wasn’t targeting them, Satan was using the fallen angels targeting Adam’s family to stop Jesus from being born. Eight Adamic souls were saved, the rest of Adam’s family were not perfect in their generations, they had mixed with the fallen angels. The bible is the story of Adam’s family and those in contact with them.”

    If you are claiming there were others saved besides the eight on the Ark, then they couldn’t have souls, so they couldn’t be men. So what are you saying exactly? That some other races look human but do not have human souls?

    “Since the crucifixion, all one needs is to believe in Christ and they become part of Adam’s family as God’s promise to Abraham becomes fulfilled.”

    But if you don’t, you are subhuman? Is that it?

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/28/2014 6:50:51 AM PST · 540 of 713
    Boogieman to Elsie

    “Far be it from me to ascertain was ‘reasonable’ is.

    I only know what the Book says...”

    Well, I’m not afraid of using the reason that God gave me.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/27/2014 8:08:03 AM PST · 484 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “God may have had other vehicles for other peoples.”

    No, there were 8 people on the ark, and only 8 souls were saved from the flood, so there couldn’t have been other vessels:

    “18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

    19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

    20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.” 1 Peter 3:18-20

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/27/2014 7:58:20 AM PST · 483 of 713
    Boogieman to Resettozero

    “I have detected some animosity toward Paul by some Christians as if Paul preached another different gospel.”

    Many want to dispense with Paul, because he was the “theologian” of the apostles. He was the most prolific writer, and explained the “mechanics” of salvation, sin, and redemption in the most detail. If you can throw out Paul, then the statements of the other writers may be vague enough for you to twist around into whatever kind of cult you want. As long as Paul remains, that is difficult.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/27/2014 7:41:40 AM PST · 482 of 713
    Boogieman to Elsie

    ” The Cain side were in the image of GOD.

    The Seth side were in Adam’s image.”

    If Seth was in Adam’s image, then it seems only reasonable that Cain was also in Adam’s image, and Cain’s children were in Cain’s image.

  • Michael Brown’s mother claims Darren Wilson WANTED to kill somebody the day he shot her son

    11/26/2014 7:16:22 PM PST · 71 of 89
    Boogieman to Kevin in California

    Well, he was wearing his “killin’ hat”. That’s pretty strong evidence right there.

  • Star Trek-like invisible shield found thousands of miles above Earth

    11/26/2014 7:13:24 PM PST · 43 of 77
    Boogieman to Swordmaker

    Ping!

  • The new threat:'Racism without racists'(Tea Party mentioned;)

    11/26/2014 7:10:15 PM PST · 34 of 38
    Boogieman to mdittmar

    According to the left, since I am white, I am innately racist no matter what I do. So why should I waste any time caring about it?

  • Hear Bill Cosby joke about drugging women in 1969

    11/26/2014 7:04:46 PM PST · 96 of 99
    Boogieman to af_vet_1981

    “It seems to me you do not possess the spiritual discernment to choose between good and evil in this matter.”

    I really don’t care how it seems to you, since you’ve simply appointed yourself a judge, you don’t actually have any authority, over me, or Bill Cosby, thank God.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/26/2014 4:38:36 PM PST · 434 of 713
    Boogieman to Resettozero

    “That said, I guess that the Angel of the Lord was Gabriel or Michael or another.”

    Could be, I don’t really know, but it is an interesting theory. If it were true, it would be nice to think that Jesus was intimately involved throughout the salvation story, and not just showing himself towards the end when He was born.

    “But I believe Moses encountered THE LORD Himself on Sinai, and not an Emissary of The Lord.”

    Yes, that I am sure of, as the ground was sacred because of the Lord’s presence.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/26/2014 4:30:54 PM PST · 432 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    “God is the same yesterday, today, forever. If a thousand years is one day to God in the millennium, then it could be in Genesis, and obviously was.”

    If you want us to accept this argument, then you’d have to apply it consistently. So, every time that the word “day” is used in the Bible, you must substitute “thousand years”. Otherwise, you are not following the first sentence, but actually claiming that God changes this principle whenever it’s convenient for your interpretation.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/26/2014 4:25:15 PM PST · 431 of 713
    Boogieman to Resettozero

    “... it was not the first time Moses and the LORD Jesus Christ had met to talk.”

    There’s an interesting theory that the “Angel of the Lord” who appears at various times throughout the OT was the pre-incarnation Christ. The main evidence is that while other angels take pains to warn men not to offer them veneration, this angel alone accepted it, which would make sense if he really was the Son.

  • Did Adam and Eve Really Exist?

    11/26/2014 4:17:04 PM PST · 429 of 713
    Boogieman to Partisan Gunslinger

    Adam was never born.