Posts by Boogieman

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  • SmarterPower? Hi-Jacking FR?

    09/23/2014 7:30:46 AM PDT · 30 of 32
    Boogieman to Kenny Bunk

    You’re infected with viruses.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/23/2014 7:11:53 AM PDT · 307 of 308
    Boogieman to dsc

    “Do it. Get some human blood, dry it out, then re-liquefy it the same way.”

    As I said to another poster, do you have chemical tests showing that what is in the reliquary is just dried blood? Otherwise, it wouldn’t be a proper replication, now would it?

  • Vanity: Which would you choose?

    09/19/2014 5:14:04 PM PDT · 25 of 68
    Boogieman to ansel12

    Ah, I see, so you’re defining “immigrant” as anyone not descended from the original colonists? That includes me, so you can kiss my posterior, buddy.

  • Vanity: Which would you choose?

    09/19/2014 4:59:06 PM PDT · 16 of 68
    Boogieman to ansel12

    There are plenty of natives voting for slavery, and plenty of immigrants voting for freedom, so I don’t think it’s as simple as that.

  • Vanity: Which would you choose?

    09/19/2014 4:52:54 PM PDT · 10 of 68
    Boogieman to Eccl 10:2

    Let the election happen. The people’s will be done, for better or for worse. If they keep trying to flush this Republic down the crapper, then they don’t deserve it.

  • Michelle Obama ADMITS Her Husband Was Born In Kenya

    09/19/2014 3:36:07 PM PDT · 14 of 108
    Boogieman to Bryanw92

    Well, even if they wanted to, the GOP alone could not do anything at this point. He’s already been re-elected, and it is impossible for us to remove him by impeachment without Democrat assistance before his term would expire.

  • Michelle Obama ADMITS Her Husband Was Born In Kenya

    09/19/2014 3:34:36 PM PDT · 12 of 108
    Boogieman to Blood of Tyrants

    I don’t think this surfaced recently, this has been around for a few years at least.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/19/2014 3:18:15 PM PDT · 29 of 308
    Boogieman to G Larry

    I never made such an allegation. I said, specifically “dried fluid”, as I have no idea exactly what kind of fluid is in that reliquary.

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/19/2014 12:30:13 PM PDT · 17 of 308
    Boogieman to G Larry

    I take it you have performed chemical tests to verify the substance in the reliquary is merely dried blood and nothing else?

  • Blood of San Gennaro Liquefies -- VIDEO

    09/19/2014 11:57:04 AM PDT · 10 of 308
    Boogieman to Alex Murphy

    “There is a relic of dry blood which, as the Cardinal Archbishop moves the reliquary, liqufies and visibly flows again.”

    Yeesh... if it liquefied on its own in a controlled, pressure, humidity, and temperature invariant environment, while motionless, I might be impressed.

    As it is, the bishop is imparting a temperature difference by contact with a warm human body (and friction), and applying a shear force by moving the dried fluid. Both of those actions could cause viscous, dried fluids to re-liquify, with no miracle required.

  • Hubble Helps Find Smallest Known Galaxy Containing a Supermassive Black Hole

    09/19/2014 11:46:56 AM PDT · 13 of 16
    Boogieman to ConservingFreedom

    *possibly* containing a black hole.

    Remember, scientists still can’t actually observe black holes, so the evidence that they exist in reality, beyond mere mathematical possibilities, is not definitive.

  • Super-rich rush to buy 'Italian Job' style gold bars

    09/19/2014 11:38:06 AM PDT · 17 of 21
    Boogieman to C19fan

    Does the author think most people wouldn’t know what a “gold bar” was without the movie reference?

  • Alleged ISIS Photo Controversy Engulfs Sen. John McCain

    09/19/2014 7:44:39 AM PDT · 25 of 29
    Boogieman to dforest

    “McCain and crew think ISIS is saying “give us what we want and we will go away”.

    Question is, would they really?”

    No, of course not. If you give a terrorist anything, it just encourages them to redouble their efforts, because now they have positive results to show.

  • Alleged ISIS Photo Controversy Engulfs Sen. John McCain

    09/19/2014 7:41:10 AM PDT · 24 of 29
    Boogieman to cotton1706

    McCain met with ISIS before they were ISIS... see, he’s a trendsetter.

  • OMG: Limbaugh's 'Jesus' banished from NYT best seller list

    09/19/2014 6:54:26 AM PDT · 11 of 16
    Boogieman to afraidfortherepublic

    That’s okay, I’ve banned the NYT for quite a while now.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 8:33:46 PM PDT · 344 of 784
    Boogieman to cookcounty

    “If Christ pre-existed the world (as the New Testament teaches with in-your-face clarity) then Mary as Mother (and therefore creator of) of his Divinity also pre-existed the world. This all falls right into the muslims’ complaint that Christians believe God has sexual relations with other beings. What a mess.”

    It gets even worse when you toss in the Catholic title “Queen of Heaven”. After all, Christ is King of the Kingdom of Heaven, so if Mary is Queen, there is an additional incestuous implication. The Catholics try to avoid this by saying they mean something like the British term “Queen Mother”, but the title by itself is troubling and creates unnecessary implications.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 8:30:49 PM PDT · 343 of 784
    Boogieman to CynicalBear

    “You seem to be trying to separate them which cannot be done.”

    No, I am not trying to separate them. I am saying that God is rational, He does things for a reason, so if He wrote separate verses, speaking of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit separately, doing different things, then it must have been for a reason.

    If you ignore that fact, not only are you implicitly asserting that God is irrational, you are risking misinterpreting the verses, and you are also risking stepping into heresy (monarchianism).

    “Saying that I thought you were not listening to the Holy Spirit was not meant to be an insult. I simply took your comments at face value about not needing the Holy Spirit to do “mundane tasks”. My point was that if you realized that those tasks are indeed often directed by the Holy Spirit.”

    This is not the context of the discussion I have been having though. I have never said that we don’t need the Holy Spirit. Let me restate the issue, again, to try to clarify. There are two competing assertions:

    a) We cannot arrive at a spiritual understanding of the Bible without the Holy Spirit.


    b) We can arrive at a spiritual understanding of the Bible through the Holy Spirit alone.

    Those are two different ideas, and one is illogical and demonstrably false. I believe in a, but not in b.

    (Of course I must make the exception of special cases where some may receive some direct, special revelation from God. Other than those, in the general sense, b is false)

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 7:45:03 PM PDT · 319 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom


    Yes, to which part of the question exactly?

    Is it yes to this:

    “do I need the Holy Spirit to do every little thing for me”

    or yes to this:

    “is some effort on my part acceptable?”

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 7:37:26 PM PDT · 315 of 784
    Boogieman to CynicalBear

    “Is there one God or three?”

    One, of course.

    “Does the Holy Spirit do things without the will of the Father?”

    No, of course not. Does that mean we can simply interchange any verse about one with the other? Or with the Son?

    If so, then what is the point of God revealing all three to us, and giving us verses specifically about all three? Are you saying God did that for no reason, that He is irrational?

    “It’s becoming very obvious to me that you indeed don’t avail yourself of or listen to the guidance of the Holy Spirit when trying to understand scripture.”

    You started this conversation off with these baseless, insulting assertions, and you continue with them. Yet, I am the one who doesn’t have the guidance of the Holy Spirit?!? Speck, plank, need I say more?

  • The Bible Anticipates Islam...ISlam and the Bible pt 3

    09/18/2014 7:26:08 PM PDT · 21 of 21
    Boogieman to hecticskeptic

    That all depends on your definition of “great” doesn’t it? It doesn’t necessarily mean that they will be spiritually enlightened, or upstanding moral examples. It may simply mean “great in number”, powerful, prosperous, or influential.

    The Arabs are prosperous (as a nation, at least), numerous, their nation is ancient, has had a great impact on world history, and has produced a religion that 1/6th of the planet follows. I’d say that meets at least several possible definitions of the word “great”.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 7:18:24 PM PDT · 310 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom

    “No. Doing mundane things, such as picking up a book and reading it, does NOT get one spiritual understanding.”

    I did not say “get spiritual understanding”, I said “get TO spiritual understanding”. That missing word is important.

    “Without the enlightening of the Holy Spirit, you could read yourself blind and not a bit of it would make any sense to you.”

    This isn’t the question. The question is: can you get the sense of the Bible without bothering to do mundane things first, such as learn to read, open the Bible, read the words, perhaps consult a dictionary to understand the meaning of words, etc. Can we dispense with all that and simply ask the Holy Spirit to give us understanding while skipping those steps?

    Please note, I’m not asking about exceptional cases, where someone might have a special revelation that grants them knowledge directly from God, I’m speaking of the general, what most believers will have to do in order to get to a spiritual understanding of the Bible.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 7:12:47 PM PDT · 309 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom

    “Do you believe that the Holy Spirit is God?”

    Yes, but I do not believe the Holy Spirit is God the Father. The Bible describes them by different names and terms for a reason. If we ignore that, then we are sowing the seeds of confusion, and we will arrive at absurd conclusions, such as some that you have been making.

    “How else does the Father interact with man if not through the Holy Spirit?”

    In a multitude of ways. After all, the Holy Spirit was not sent to Christians until after Christ’s death (John 14:16, Acts 2). This is a general statement, however, as the Holy Spirit certainly interacted with man in some ways before this, with the many references to the “Spirit of God” in the prophets, as an example. Yet, the Jews had no notion that this “Spirit of God” was different than God the Father, as their rejection of that Christian idea demonstrates. We Christians have no excuse for making that mistake though, as God has revealed that truth to us.

    To assume that every reference to “God” is interchangeable with the Holy Spirit, is essentially a denial of the trinity/triune nature of God. If they are interchangeable, then God must have been redundant in speaking of Himself as three different persons or aspects. (I don’t want to get sidetracked into some argument about the Protestant/Catholic differences about those doctrines, hence the use of both sets of language)

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 7:01:30 PM PDT · 308 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom

    ” So where else do you contend that life comes from?

    You think it can exist independent of God?”

    No, I do not. I assert that life comes from God the Father, which is who that verse refers to. You are posting verses about God the Father, then mistakenly asserting that they refer to the Holy Spirit. I am simply not accepting the confusion that you seem to be operating under.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 6:58:37 PM PDT · 305 of 784
    Boogieman to Karl Spooner; metmom

    “Be specific and we will get to the truth, that is if you believe in Gods Word.”

    Of course I believe in God’s Word. I wouldn’t be bothering with this argument if I didn’t.

    As for specifics, let me try to clarify my argument for you. In post 267, metmom, in response to a post I made speculating about why some people might care to look at extrabiblical books (such as Enoch), said:

    “So who needs the Holy Spirit anyway at that rate?”

    This question, and subsequent posts, seemed to suggest that we ONLY need the Holy Spirit, and not any more mundane things, to achieve spiritual understanding. This is not the position of the Bible, it is an expansion of assertions in Scripture to the point of absurdity.

    To try to demonstrate that absurdity, I made some similarly absurd statements based on the same type of reasoning, in an attempt to show the flaw in the original argument. It’s an exercise in reductio ad absurdium. For example, if looking at a book outside of Scripture means I think that I don’t need the Holy Spirit, then learning to read (which would require sources outside of Scripture) must also be a rejection of the Holy Spirit.

    I accept Scripture, but I won’t accept absurd arguments that go beyond Scripture, simply because someone claims that Scripture supports their position.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 6:48:23 PM PDT · 301 of 784
    Boogieman to CynicalBear

    “Nobody said they did.”

    You posted it in response to my argument which relied on that very assertion. If you weren’t arguing against my argument, then what was the point of posting it?

    “Also whether they acknowledge it or not they draw a breath by the grace of God.”

    Yes, but we will get nowhere fast if we simply confuse verses about God the Father with the Holy Spirit in order to support an argument. God the Father is who causes rain to fall on believers and unbelievers. It is by the grace of God the Father that both believers and unbelievers draw breath. Assertions about God the Father, even valid ones based on Scripture, are not much help when we are talking about our relationship with the Holy Spirit, and if fact may muddy the waters and prevent a proper understanding, if they are misused.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 5:47:12 PM PDT · 291 of 784
    Boogieman to CynicalBear

    “You wouldn’t even be drawn or inclined to want to open the Bible without urging from the Holy Spirit.”

    I don’t dispute that. Yet, still the question stands.. do I need the Holy Spirit to do every little thing for me, or is some effort on my part acceptable?

    “Absolutely! I do it all the time. Many eye opening revelations have resulted.”

    Then you must agree that there are some things that we may perform by more mundane methods in order to get to a spiritual understanding, besides simply calling on the Holy Spirit for every little thing, no?

    “Have you ever read the scripture where it says God sends rain on the just and the unjust?”

    Certainly, yet that verse in no way contradicts the verses that tell us that unbelievers do not have the Holy Spirit.


    Perhaps its nonsense if you mangle the quote by cutting off an entire qualifying clause.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 5:43:35 PM PDT · 290 of 784
    Boogieman to Karl Spooner

    I have no arguments with the Scripture, only with some who are trying to make ridiculous assertions based on it.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 5:15:37 PM PDT · 287 of 784
    Boogieman to CynicalBear; metmom

    Sure, that is true, but to what extent is it true is the question?

    Do we not need to use our hands to open the Bible when we want to read it? Will the Holy Spirit do that for us? If I need to locate a verse, do I ask the Holy Spirit where it is, or can I use the table of contents or the index?

    metmom has asserted, referring to the Holy Spirit, that I can’t even breathe without it, which is obviously a falsehood, since billions of unbelievers, who have not the Holy Spirit, continue breathing.

    What I am saying is there are times we definitely need the Holy Spirit to assist us, or we will fail, and times that obviously we have the tools at our own disposal to ascertain certain things. To confuse the two does no service to the Holy Spirit or to your Christian brethren. Taken too far, it encourages a spiritual laziness that is inexcusable.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 4:53:06 PM PDT · 275 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom

    “We need the Holy Spirit for EVERYTHING. Without the grace of God and Him sustaining us, we could not even draw our next breath.”

    Yes, of course this is true in the general sense, but to the extent you are asserting it, it’s a meaningless platitude.

    Why bother to learn to read? If we can just have the Holy Spirit dictate the Bible to us via osmosis? If you follow the consequences of your assertions to the logical conclusion, they are obviously nonsense.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 4:38:25 PM PDT · 269 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom

    Do we need the Holy Spirit to reveal every little thing to us when we might be able to understand it through more mundane means?

    I mean, if I have a homework assignment, I don’t ask the Holy Spirit to solve my math problems for me. I read the instructions, my textbook, and do the work to find the answer. Similarly, if I want to understand a verse in the Bible, before asking the Holy Spirit, I will look at the verse in context, search for related verses, perhaps look up the meaning of the underlying words in Hebrew and Greek. Then, if I still can’t figure it out, I may need to appeal for divine assistance, but that is not my first resort.

    So, if extrabiblical books might shed some light on mysteries, I see no harm in checking them out, so long as you keep in mind that their reliability is questionable and that they can never overrule something that is enshrined in Scripture.

  • Ashkenazi Jews Descend From 350 People, Scientists Say (That would explain Chomsky and Soros)

    09/18/2014 4:22:51 PM PDT · 56 of 79
    Boogieman to Sherman Logan

    I think you are overestimating, especially because they are speaking of Ashkenazi only, which excludes a large number of Jews who would have been living around the Mediterranean. Here’s something from Wikipedia that gives some estimates concerning that time (for both Askenazi and Sephards):

    “As regards the number of Jews in the Middle Ages, Benjamin of Tudela, about 1170, enumerates altogether 1,049,565; but of these 100,000 are attributed to Persia and India, 100,000 to Arabia, and 300,000 to an undecipherable “Thanaim”, obviously mere guesses with regard to the Eastern Jews, with whom he did not come in contact. There were at that time probably not many more than 500,000 in the countries he visited, and probably not more than 750,000 altogether. The only real data for the Middle Ages are with regard to special Jewish communities.

    The Middle Ages were mainly a period of expulsions. In 1290, 16,000 Jews were expelled from England; in 1306, 100,000 from France; and in 1492, about 200,000 from Spain. Smaller but more frequent expulsions occurred in Germany, so that at the commencement of the 16th century only four great Jewish communities remained: Frankfurt, 2,000; Worms, 1,400; Prague, 10,000; and Vienna, 3,000 (Heinrich Grätz, Geschichte der Juden x. 29). It has been estimated that during the five centuries from 1000 to 1500, 380,000 Jews were killed during the persecutions, reducing the total number in the world to about 1,000,000. In the 16th and 17th centuries the main centers of Jewish population were in Poland and the Mediterranean countries, Spain excepted.”

    If those estimates are correct, and there were only around 15,000 Askenazi in German lands in 1500, that does suggest quite a serious bottleneck around that time. As I said in another post, the genetic evidence does not suggest that at any time there were only 350 Ashkenazi, it only suggests that all living Ashkenazi are descended from 350 individuals. There might have been thousands more alive at the worst bottleneck, but many of their descendants did not survive subsequent events (such as the Holocaust).

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 2:54:54 PM PDT · 224 of 784
    Boogieman to Cicero

    “In particular, they hate to see angels and saints butting in where no one but they should be proper worshippers.”

    Yet, there are no angels or saints in those pictures, simply pieces of wood, stone, and metal fashioned by human hands.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 2:47:57 PM PDT · 219 of 784
    Boogieman to metmom

    ” And people want to or seem to feel the need to add MORE?!?!


    There are things spoken of in the Bible but not fully explained (mysteries). I think some people hope that the other books mentioned but not included in the Bible might shed some light on those.

  • Ancient nanostructures found in Ural mountains are out of place and time.

    09/18/2014 12:07:24 PM PDT · 18 of 33
    Boogieman to BO Stinkss

    “Their shape suggests that they are manufactured and not naturally occurring metal fragments.”

    Any time you hear words like “suggests”, it’s a big red flag in a supposedly “scientific” argument. Similarity doesn’t actually suggest any one particular thing; you need more than that to declare they are man-made. Perhaps, for example, they are excretions from some unknown organism that consumed minerals and pooped out spirals of metal that it couldn’t digest?

    Unless you can disprove such other possibilities, the “suggestions” of their appearance don’t mean much. Also, the shapes being related to the Golden Mean actually point more to a natural origin than a man-made one, since such arrangements are more common in nature than they are in man-made structures.

  • Ashkenazi Jews Descend From 350 People, Scientists Say (That would explain Chomsky and Soros)

    09/18/2014 11:57:52 AM PDT · 34 of 79
    Boogieman to Ancesthntr

    Well, just because modern Ashkenazi may all be descended from 350 individuals, does not necessarily mean that the population ever got as low as 350 at any time. There could have been many more alive at the time of the greatest bottleneck, but all their descendants were wiped out subsequently, in one or more different events.

  • Ashkenazi Jews Descend From 350 People, Scientists Say (That would explain Chomsky and Soros)

    09/18/2014 11:34:15 AM PDT · 25 of 79
    Boogieman to Sherman Logan

    “The Black Death was one of the most devastating pandemics in human history, resulting in the deaths of an estimated 75 to 200 million people and peaking in Europe in the years 1346–53”

  • Miley Cyrus under criminal investigation for twerk stunt with Mexican flag

    09/18/2014 11:31:09 AM PDT · 48 of 63
    Boogieman to econjack

    There’s a Monterrey in Mexico too.

  • Robot with “morals” makes surprisingly deadly decisions

    09/18/2014 10:37:55 AM PDT · 25 of 33
    Boogieman to discostu

    Yes, they failed to program prioritization into the algorithm.

    Although, it brings up an intriguing potential problem. If you set priorities, then the robot is allowed, under certain circumstances, to “allow” some humans to die. If the robot truly had artificial intelligence, it could know those priorities and perhaps set up situations where it would be able to let a human die according to those priorities. Essentially, it could create a loophole allowing the robot to murder a human without violating its programming.

  • Would Scottish Independence Be a Net Plus for Liberty?

    09/18/2014 10:13:24 AM PDT · 27 of 28
    Boogieman to untenured

    “I think I began by saying in fact there is no such right to change the sovereign, no collective right of “self-determination.””

    Then we really have no common grounds on which we could ever come to an agreement. What you are calling a “fictitious right” is foundational to the American experiment, and a well recognized principle of international law. Without it, we are all traitors to the crown of England and deserve to be hanged.

  • Would Scottish Independence Be a Net Plus for Liberty?

    09/18/2014 8:58:15 AM PDT · 25 of 28
    Boogieman to untenured

    “If the people of Scotland who favor independence are voting to depart to protect their rights as individuals (which I doubt), I am with them. If they are voting merely to be governed by people arbitrarily born in Scotland rather than by people arbitrarily born in Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland, I see no moral justification for that, especially if the new Scottish government will use that power to further violate their rights (which is what I think will happen).”

    The problem is, you cannot assert a right that is dependent on the motivations or results of the exercise of that right, or it is no right at all. For example, if you only agree that people who will determine to have a federated republic have a right to self-determination, then what you are agreeing with is not a right, but some sort of neutered privilege that you have deemed to grant them.

  • An Idiotic Government with Idiotic Goals

    09/18/2014 8:00:17 AM PDT · 5 of 13
    Boogieman to Kaslin

    The problem is: there is a limit to how much artificial inflation can be sustained before prices collapse, and the Fed has been artificially inflating the economy for a long time already.

  • Would Scottish Independence Be a Net Plus for Liberty?

    09/18/2014 7:35:18 AM PDT · 21 of 28
    Boogieman to nathanbedford

    “Perhaps we should look for a principle which guides our thinking independent of whether we approve or disapprove of the politics of “the people.” But that is not so easy because, for example, I am opposed to respecting the democratically determined majority interests of radical Islamists. I freely admit to jettisoning all fidelity to democracy under those circumstances.”

    The problem with this line of thinking is that it doesn’t simply denigrate the rights of those who you oppose having them, it denigrates the very concept of rights altogether.

    For example, say we posit that only civilized responsible people have a right to self-determination. What are the consequences of such an assertion?

    First, we would not be able to say such a right was universal, derived from our Creator, unless we also held that civilized and uncivilized people had separate Creators. If they had separate Creators, then the logical consequence is that civilization is immutable, and an uncivilized people could never become civilized. Observation proves that false, therefore the assertion is contradictory and cannot be true.

    Alternatively, we could agree that both uncivilized and civilized people have the same Creator, but then we would have to conclude that the right to self-determination could not derive from said Creator. Necessarily, it would then have to derive from some other, lesser source, and then the right would not be inherent and undeniable. This is especially problematic regarding this right, because the next highest source one can imagine would be a sovereign ruler or government, and if such a source could grant or remove the right to self-determination, then the right would be quite worthless.

    So, clearly, we can’t deny a right to others simply because they might not exercise that right responsibly, otherwise we are actually denying the right to ourselves as well. I cannot say that, just because someone might go around insulting people’s mothers, that they do not have the right to free speech, otherwise the right to free speech is non-existent, as we all could potentially commit such an abuse. No, if we are to have rights, we must accept the potential negative consequences of others exercising those rights as well.

  • Would Scottish Independence Be a Net Plus for Liberty?

    09/18/2014 6:56:14 AM PDT · 18 of 28
    Boogieman to untenured

    The difference is a matter of principle, as I haven’t advocated for nationalism, but the principles that I just cited. If those principles coincidentally align with nationalism, then it’s a boon to the nationalists, I suppose, but logic does not hold that you can accuse someone of advocating nationalism based on such a coincidence.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 6:50:54 AM PDT · 134 of 784
    Boogieman to Elsie

    “Any of you well catechized Catholics want to show us poor deluded Prots just WHERE Paul said this?”

    It must be part of that “tradition” that is very important but Paul neglected to write down.

  • Pope Francis Supposedly Claimed Virgin Mary Is Second Trinity, At Godhead Level

    09/18/2014 6:48:20 AM PDT · 133 of 784
    Boogieman to daniel1212

    “As i have said before, one would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, and as having Divine powers and glory, and making offerings and beseeching such for Heavenly help, directly accessed by mental prayer.”

    Indeed, many Apostles and saints died before consenting to do just such a thing. Remember, in the pagan world, such as was the case in Rome, or Babylon, no one expected the Jews or Christians to offer the highest worship (latria) to the pagan gods of their conquerors. Pagans themselves worshipped and acknowledged all gods, even if they reserved their primary worship and service to one tribal or national god. So, if veneration, hyperdulia, or what have you, to another besides the true God were acceptable, then the Jews of the captivity, or the Christians of the Roman era could have easily made an offering to the pagan gods to placate their rulers and avoid being martyred.

    Yet, they stood firm and refused to even bend a knee to save themselves. That clearly shows that, by their example, we should offer no semblance of worship to any but the Most High.

  • Would Scottish Independence Be a Net Plus for Liberty?

    09/18/2014 6:37:32 AM PDT · 15 of 28
    Boogieman to untenured

    “You are using “everyone” and “rights” in the collectivist sense.”

    Nonsense. Unless you want to assert that our founding fathers were collectivists when they said:

    “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, —That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.”

    “What about Scots who don’t want to pay higher taxes, who don’t want a bigger welfare state, who don’t want the EU to have more control over their country (assuming these things are the result of a “yes” vote)?”

    If the Scots vote for independence, and then a minority is unpleased with the results, they have several options. They can form their own political party, and campaign within the boundaries of the political system to have their grievances addressed. Or, failing that, they can peacefully petition for separation from the rest of the Scots. Failing that, they can revolt and separate themselves by force of arms.

    “Nationalism is fundamentally an anti-freedom ideology.”

    Well, I’m talking about self-determination and the social contract, not nationalism. If you don’t believe in the principles I’m speaking of, then you probably don’t belong on FR, in my opinion, as you are basically advocating that we should still be subjects of the English crown ourselves. I’d love to hear you explain how that is “pro-freedom”.

  • Father shoots dead daughter's 'lover' as he crouched in her bedroom because he thought the man was a

    09/18/2014 6:29:25 AM PDT · 121 of 122
    Boogieman to arthurus


  • Would Scottish Independence Be a Net Plus for Liberty?

    09/17/2014 5:32:21 PM PDT · 6 of 28
    Boogieman to Kaslin

    There’s plenty of room for doubt as to whether independence would be good for the people of Scotland, economically, culturally, and otherwise. However, I think conservatives should all recognize that everyone, for better or worse, has the right to self-determination.

  • Father shoots dead daughter's 'lover' as he crouched in her bedroom because he thought the man was a

    09/17/2014 5:29:14 PM PDT · 116 of 122
    Boogieman to arthurus

    Sure, he bears some responsibility, but the daughter bears more responsibility for inviting him and not telling her father.

    As for the crouching, we don’t know why he was crouching there, since he’s dead and can’t tell his side of the story. For all we know, he may not have known who the father was and just saw a strange man with a gun who he was hiding from.

  • Father shoots dead daughter's 'lover' as he crouched in her bedroom because he thought the man was a

    09/17/2014 5:22:23 PM PDT · 115 of 122
    Boogieman to arthurus

    “Unless he came through the front door at the invitation of the person who answered the door, he was an intruder...”

    Wrong. If he was invited by an adult resident of the home, he wasn’t an intruder, no matter where he entered the home.

    “Did Dad tell her previously that she could not have men in her room? If he did, the guy was an intruder.”

    Wrong again. If he was invited by an adult resident of the home, he wasn’t an intruder, regardless of what the “house rules” were.

    Just to demonstrate how your thinking is wrong, consider if the police came to the house, and sought entry without a warrant. It would not matter if the father gave the daughter permission to let police in the house or not, as long as an adult invited the police in, their entry would be completely lawful.