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Posts by Carry_Okie

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  • Banning chocolate milk backfires

    08/30/2014 10:14:17 PM PDT · 44 of 44
    Carry_Okie to Drew68
    I wouldn't have my two sons come within miles of anything that had Bob Jones' name on it. That university is a laughingstock.

    Neither would I, albeit for technical reasons. Lest you think our family not holding to high academic standards...

    Oh, and be sure to read the article on that thread and ask yourself if you've EVER seen such work in a public school for children of 12-14.

    If you want to fix public education, there is a better way than socializing it.

  • Banning chocolate milk backfires

    08/30/2014 10:01:28 PM PDT · 42 of 44
    Carry_Okie to Drew68
    Home education also allows the same number of public dollars to be spent on fewer kids.

    Yet you bitch about it.

  • Banning chocolate milk backfires

    08/30/2014 9:59:45 PM PDT · 41 of 44
    Carry_Okie to Drew68
    I'm paying a significant amount of my tax dollars to fund the public school system. I'd rather fight to reclaim the schools. Homeschooling is giving up.

    No it's not. In addition to providing a critical competitor to the public monolith, it's building a mass-customized market in pedagogies perfectly suited to a voucher based educational system.

  • Banning chocolate milk backfires

    08/30/2014 9:57:19 PM PDT · 40 of 44
    Carry_Okie to Behind Liberal Lines

    Chocolate milk is a great thing to drink after hard exercise. For the sedentary, it’s a problem.

  • Feds Still Studying Why Majority of Lesbians Are Obese

    08/30/2014 9:35:04 PM PDT · 77 of 85
    Carry_Okie to Paladin2
    Ur BAD.

    Call it pathetic license.

    At least I'm not homophonophobic.

  • Feds Still Studying Why Majority of Lesbians Are Obese

    08/30/2014 8:08:10 PM PDT · 14 of 85
    Carry_Okie to SeekAndFind

    I hate to see this money go to waist.

  • Psychologist Considers ‘Transgenderism’ on College Campuses

    08/30/2014 8:00:08 PM PDT · 3 of 6
    Carry_Okie to narses
    The first case deals with a female student who applied to California Baptist University (CBU), but later revealed “that she was a ‘transgendered’ male.” As stated in the brief, “[t]he judge ruled that the University was within its rights as a religious institution to expel the student, but at the same time stated that the University could not bar the student from public spaces or online programs.”

    They certainly could ban the student on the grounds that "it" had perpetrated a criminal fraud without any consideration of gender or sexual preference.

  • Sheriff's Staff Calls Response to Metcalf Attack a Debacle

    08/30/2014 4:38:44 PM PDT · 17 of 18
    Carry_Okie to NormsRevenge
    The only way to secure is an manned 24x7 armored tower with dual 60s and a couple TOWs and the balls to use them just in case, hey if ya can get a good shot!

    A well coordinated act of sabotage would make that point moot. Take out the gas main, blow a few transmission towers, cut the roads, and it's chaos.

    To say they or we in this area have been lucky to survive PG&E is no small statement. One possible check mark for going solar.

    I've certainly thought about that. At least enough to run the well and power some lights. A fuel cell off the propane wouldn't hurt either, but altogether, that's serious capital.

  • The Meltdown [The Most Incisive Analysis of The Obama Presidency!]

    08/30/2014 1:57:15 PM PDT · 65 of 73
    Carry_Okie to Steelfish
    The most insightful observation was this:

    If anything, the international situation Obama faced when he assumed the presidency was, in many respects, relatively auspicious. Despite the financial crisis and the recession that followed, never since John F. Kennedy has an American president assumed high office with so much global goodwill. The war in Iraq, which had done so much to bedevil Bush’s presidency, had been won thanks to a military strategy Obama had, as a senator, flatly opposed. For the war in Afghanistan, there was broad bipartisan support for large troop increases. Not even six months into his presidency, Obama was handed a potential strategic game changer when a stolen election in Iran led to a massive popular uprising that, had it succeeded, could have simultaneously ended the Islamic Republic and resolved the nuclear crisis. He was handed another would-be game changer in early 2011, when the initially peaceful uprising in Syria offered an opportunity, at relatively little cost to the U.S., to depose an anti-American dictator and sever the main link between Iran and its terrorist proxies in Lebanon and Gaza.

    One cannot confront that list and conclude mere incompetence. It declares intention. Hence the rest of his analysis.

  • War in Europe

    08/30/2014 1:53:20 PM PDT · 16 of 40
    Carry_Okie to LjubivojeRadosavljevic
    What concerns me is how China responds to Putin’s moves. More specifically, if Russia “gets away” with its encroachment into Eastern Europe, then China will behave in a similar manner by expanding and pressuring countries such as RUSSIA, Malaysia, Singapore, Korea, and Japan. Therein lies the real threat.

    There, fixed it. Siberia is wide open to Chinese expansion, and they do have a historical pretext.

  • California To Appeal Teacher Tenure Ruling [Gov. Brown In Teacher's Union's Pocket]

    08/30/2014 12:10:38 PM PDT · 11 of 12
    Carry_Okie to Steelfish
    Attorney General Kamala Harris filed the appeal late Friday on behalf of the governor and the state.

    I think this more about Harris expressing her ambitions for the governor's chair rather than being about Jerry Brown.

  • The Meltdown [The Most Incisive Analysis of The Obama Presidency!]

    08/30/2014 12:08:32 PM PDT · 52 of 73
    Carry_Okie to Steelfish
    With Obama, there was always more than a whiff of the overconfident dilettante, so sure of his powers that he could remain supremely comfortable with his own ignorance.

    Man, that is nasty, dead center too.

    But neither is he a Sarah Palin, mouthing artless banalities about this great nation of ours, or a Rick Perry, trying, like Otto from A Fish Called Wanda, to remember the middle part.

    Yep. There's no "there" there with either of them. Sarah has shown disastrous judgment with her political endorsements. Perry is an obvious empty suit.

    The goal, therefore, is to reduce America’s footprint; to “retrench,” as the administration would like to think of it, or to retreat, as it might more accurately be called.

    To what end?

    Global socialism under the UN. Isn't that obvious? Leftist politicos passing out favors to bureaucrats and entitled dependents. Unlimited power, pure and simple as an end, with unsubstantiable belief in the means.

    Then again, the next American president might not have options of the sort that Obama enjoyed when he took office in 2009.

    The reason for which is the Federal debt, which is why the progressives saddled us with it. All they have to do to keep us there now is for the Fed to threaten raising interest rates.

    And no, I don't see a Reagan on the horizon, with the possible exception of Mike Lee.

  • New Obama plan calls for implanted computer chips to help U.S. troops heal

    08/30/2014 9:02:02 AM PDT · 11 of 42
    Carry_Okie to 444Flyer
    Instead of relying only on medication, we envision a closed-loop system

    Otherwise known as a CONTROL loop.

  • California lawmakers pass first US plastic bag ban

    08/30/2014 8:58:08 AM PDT · 44 of 50
    Carry_Okie to South40
    Kevin de Leon is a certifiable halfwit.

    The cop behind him knows it too.

  • California lawmakers pass first US plastic bag ban

    08/30/2014 8:52:05 AM PDT · 43 of 50
    Carry_Okie to Olog-hai

    I pay for the paper.
    That way, at least somebody is dealing with the fuel load.

  • President Obama needs to focus on how the United States can meet global challenges

    08/30/2014 8:43:01 AM PDT · 10 of 37
    Carry_Okie to Mariner


  • 2 california counties ask to form separate state

    08/29/2014 1:50:58 PM PDT · 43 of 70
    Carry_Okie to lbryce
    The bottom line is that it is rather obvious that the underlying, fundamental dynamics for these two counties to seek the creation of their own state is a a direct result of Obama, his policies, his desire to create as much havoc, dysfunction and upheaval in whatever way he can. His policies, especially regarding immigration, has directly impacted the political ramifications by these two counties in consideration of this move.

    The desire for a State of Jefferson goes back to the 1930s.

  • The Assembly of a New World Order

    08/29/2014 1:10:26 PM PDT · 14 of 15
    Carry_Okie to Theoria
    What a vacuous jerk off.

    At the same time, parts of the Middle East southwestern US have dissolved into sectarian and ethnic components in conflict with each other; religious militias drug gangs and the powers backing them violate borders and sovereignty at will, producing the phenomenon of failed states not controlling their own territory.

    At the rate Zero is going one could soon say that about the US.

  • Breaking: Michael Brown Allegedly Involved in Second Degree Murder Case

    08/29/2014 6:58:13 AM PDT · 37 of 160
    Carry_Okie to TexasCajun
    I believe Dorian Johnson will snitch out his crime partner, say Michael was going for Officer Wilson’s gun, to avoid charges related to the robbery and later fight & shooting incident in the street.

    If he does, he can look forward to at least the prospect of a long dirt nap.

  • The attack on bad teacher tenure laws is actually an attack on black professionals

    08/28/2014 11:35:02 AM PDT · 54 of 74
    Carry_Okie to Cincinatus' Wife
    The attack on bad teacher tenure laws is actually an attack on black professionals

    Oh please... Is he assuming that affirmative action hires are incompetent? THAT'S RACIST!!!

  • Another Ferguson? Wait, Wrong Race, No Interest

    08/28/2014 9:27:07 AM PDT · 26 of 29
    Carry_Okie to Gay State Conservative
    But the motives behind a failure to comply just might require a vigorous response.

    I didn't know that there should be a death sentence for thought crime. Those officers must be mighty prescient. Sheesh.

    I'm sure that you have a fertile enough imagination to come up with very disturbing motives an individual might have in refusing to comply.

    There's a difference between FAILURE and refusal, moron. People get stupid when their lives are threatened.

  • Another Ferguson? Wait, Wrong Race, No Interest

    08/28/2014 9:10:20 AM PDT · 23 of 29
    Carry_Okie to Gay State Conservative
    Simply because an ordinary civilian doesn't have the legal authority to order another to raise his/her hands.Yet,under certain circumstances,a cop *does* have that authority.

    Is simple failure to comply deserving of death?

  • Another Ferguson? Wait, Wrong Race, No Interest

    08/28/2014 9:08:58 AM PDT · 22 of 29
    Carry_Okie to precisionshootist
    Being a cop does not give you a pass and in fact cops should be much more prepared to make the right decision than a civilian. If police are not held to the same proctorial standards as anyone else in the use of deadly force then we as a society are literally giving them a license to commit murder.

    Correct. The cop had his gun on the guy. The perp moving his hand to his waist is not a "threatening gesture" unless and until the cop could see him withdraw a weapon. It's a movement, not necessarily a threatening movement. Making such a hair-trigger interpretation of what might be a threat is way beyond the limits of logic or justice, especially when policing is not nearly as dangerous as being a farmer, fisherman, or woodsman.

    People make mistakes. People get stoned. Some are simply retarded or disoriented. Some just freak when confronted by a gun (whoda thunk it?). They don't deserve to die for that.

  • Mapped: North Korea’s oil routes

    08/28/2014 7:46:48 AM PDT · 5 of 8
    Carry_Okie to TigerLikesRooster
    Good to hear from you TLR.

    It's been a while.

  • Newt Gingrich : 2014-08-21 : President Obama's Golf: The Real Problem

    08/27/2014 8:58:19 PM PDT · 26 of 26
    Carry_Okie to Patton@Bastogne
    I'm still waiting for you to refute a single thing I've quoted Newt as saying. And I'm going to dog you until you do. “When I first ran for Congress I was the natural candidate of most environmental groups…” Newt Gingrich, “Winning The Future,” Page 168

    “If the United States challenged Europe and Japan to join it in financing a world biodiversity refuge system and tied foreign aid into the process of maintaining biodiversity, we could probably save a very high percentage of the earth’s biological richness…” Newt Gingrich, “Winning The Future,” Pages 170-171

    “As a young professor at West Georgia College, I taught in the second Earth Day in 1971 and coordinated an interdisciplinary environmental studies program.” Newt Gingrich, “Real Change,” Page 196

    “That is why I worked so diligently as Speaker of the House to protect the Endangered Species Act, historic legislation that has been mired in controversy…The Endangered Species Act is an excellent example of the value of civility, consultation and collaboration.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages XII & 51

    “For that reason, we have supported its (the Endangered Species Act’s) continuation against all challenges by private citizens, interest groups, and congressional opponents.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 53

    “The U.S. government operates endowments for the humanities and the arts…Perhaps, it is time we consider a new endowment for conservation and the environment.” “Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages 115-116 [NOTE: As Speaker, Gingrich told conservatives he wanted to eliminate the wasteful National Endowment for the Arts. Now he cites it as an example of a government spending spree that needs to be duplicated.]

    “Significant resources should be set aside to protect hallowed sites such as the Galapagos Islands, the Virguna Volcanoes in Central Africa, and Georgia’s Okenfenokee Swamp, to name a few.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 117

    Where does that end?

    "John Muir, for most of his adult life, experienced nature in spiritual overtones…He even favored using the armed forces to enforce environmental law…However, with the inexorable advance of the urban realm, the defense of forested land assumes a greater urgency as we strive to sustain the highest-quality standards for our nation’s air, water, and land.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 127

    “Our national parks and wildlife reserves require more vigorous protection. With an eye toward strengthening his environmental legacy in the 2007 federal budget, President Bush requested the largest increase for national park funding in our nation’s history. We should expect nothing less than excellence from our national park system.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages 130-131

    “Far from becoming a new source of global discord, environmentalism, which binds nations to a common concern, will be the best thing that’s ever happened to international relations.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Pages 149-150

    “We will need to organize a series of high-level global conferences that focus on specific [environmental] problems…” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 158

    “…the type of arduous research that produces real breakthroughs can only be funded by astute governments.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 167

    “America used to be that kind of government [that spent millions of tax dollars on “energy research” welfare programs,] but our commitments have wavered in recent years so government incentives for energy research will be issues in future political campaigns.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 1 +667

    “Mobilizing other countries to join us will not be as easy as it may appear. Many of the countries that signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol are lagging behind on their commitments.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 168

    “The act [Endangered Species Act] has been, by any measure, a very successful guardian of wildlife and habitat and any attempt to weaken it should be resisted.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 170

    “…our children, according to Louv, run the risk of acquiring ‘nature deficit disorder,’ a malady that he describes as a contributing factor to a recognized mental health construct, attention deficit hyperactivity disorder, or ADHD. Nature deficit disorder, not yet acknowledged by scientists or clinicians, is a working hypothesis that Louv believes helps to explain the onset of ADHD, and he proposes that exposure to nature should be offered as a therapy for children who have difficulty attending to stimuli and learning in conventional classrooms. His call for research in this domain is compelling.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 182

    “Local governments operate much closer to the origin of environmental problems, and they have begun to provide tax incentives and large cash rewards for environmental compliance…While the motivation is driven by the application of tax dollars, the effect is rewarding rather than punitive…” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 194

    “…our government, at all levels, must be modernized to successfully partner, let alone compete, with the private sector.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 196

    “In spite of the demonstrated liberal leanings in academia, we have nothing but respect for the nation’s scientists. They represent America’s best hope to protect the environment. We support a dramatic increase in science and technology research and development because we desperately need to understand global climate change and other environmental phenomena.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 201

    “Needless to say, an appropriate and significant investment of public and private funding to renew the earth will pay dividends.” Newt Gingrich, “A Contract With The Earth,” Page 202

    Newt talks a conservative game, but when it comes to the one power of government to pick winners and losers in the marketplace, worldwide, when it comes to the one illegitimate power of government that has done more than any other to wreck the free enterprise system, Newt is right there with the big money global socialists.

  • Stunning before and after images of California's drought

    08/27/2014 2:52:48 PM PDT · 18 of 55
    Carry_Okie to EveningStar
    Meanwhile the bureaucrats are dumping so much water down the Trinity River into the Klamath that it's cooling the water out the river mouth sufficiently that it is bringing in the salmon way too early, which then die because there is insufficient water upstream for them to spawn.

    Gotta love government resource control.

  • The Promiscuous Use of SWAT Teams Is a Bigger Problem Than Armored Vehicles on Our Streets

    08/27/2014 11:19:02 AM PDT · 23 of 51
    Carry_Okie to Sergio
    The only comparison, and I will be the first to admit that it is an unfair one, is to Islam. The only comparison, and I will be the first to admit that it is an unfair one, is to Islam.

    A very effective rhetorical analogy, both ways.

  • Buffett puts shareholders ahead of patriotism in Canadian deal

    08/27/2014 10:33:44 AM PDT · 25 of 35
    Carry_Okie to Olog-hai

    Buffett advocates higher taxes because he’s investing overseas.

  • The U.N.'s upcoming grab for global tyranny

    08/27/2014 10:30:06 AM PDT · 10 of 10
    Carry_Okie to Ernest_at_the_Beach; servo1969; george76; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

    This article by Monckton deserves widespread attention.

  • The U.N.'s upcoming grab for global tyranny

    08/27/2014 9:27:52 AM PDT · 9 of 10
    Carry_Okie to rktman
    Roger that. We in deep yogurt no?

    Yo, deep bwana. Plenty stool, hip deep.

    It's a three-legged stool.

    That's why I'm sawing at one of the legs.

  • The U.N.'s upcoming grab for global tyranny

    08/27/2014 7:49:02 AM PDT · 5 of 10
    Carry_Okie to rktman

    Along with the agencies, toss in their complicit courts.

  • The U.N.'s upcoming grab for global tyranny

    08/27/2014 7:17:19 AM PDT · 2 of 10
    Carry_Okie to rktman
    But unless two-thirds of the Senate can be persuaded to ratify it, it will not pass.

    This statement is false in so many ways I am not going to bother with more elaboration beyond the link. The Federal government will begin alignment with a treaty upon the signature of any officer present at its negotiation pursuant to the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, which the US never ratified. According to the Department of State, it is a matter of "customary international law." Read the link. I don't care what Reid v. Covert said.

  • Police release video of fatal Kajieme Powell shooting in St. Louis

    08/26/2014 6:41:36 PM PDT · 160 of 161
    Carry_Okie to marktwain; ohioman; TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig; gogeo
    OK, I checked with my hunter friend and also a neighbor who is a former police SWAT instructor, firearms trainer, and Army Ranger (Nam). I've known him for a good many years as he taught both my girls to shoot.

    Sorry, he agrees with me. Given the backup safely behind the car, at close range, with pistol drawn, and the assailant armed with a only knife attempting suicide-by-cop, the lead officer should have backed off, kept his distance, and tried the taser before either one of them opened fire.

  • Lois Lerner's Blackberry deliberately destroyed after start of congressional probe: IRS lawyer

    08/26/2014 4:58:25 PM PDT · 40 of 100
    Carry_Okie to afraidfortherepublic

    Time for a plea deal sweetie.

  • Vladimir Putin's pointless conflict with Europe leaves it a vassal of China

    08/26/2014 4:49:15 PM PDT · 10 of 14
    Carry_Okie to Tailgunner Joe

    A very interesting point I had not considered. Thank you.

  • RAHN: Obama’s bad news for blacks (for all those who call you racist)

    08/26/2014 4:47:01 PM PDT · 17 of 17
    Carry_Okie to CedarDave

    Sorry, I misread what you posted.

  • ... world's first hydrogen reactor for reduction of unlimited hydrogen ...

    08/26/2014 8:04:05 AM PDT · 76 of 93
    Carry_Okie to AZLiberty
    it averaged at 414 watt hour = 4.6 volts x 90 amps.

    Um, doesn't voltage times current = power? P = IE??? That would be simply Watts, not "watt hour." So what is the "hour" doing in the equation?

    If these guys can't get that correct in their press release, this doesn't look credible.

  • RAHN: Obama’s bad news for blacks (for all those who call you racist)

    08/26/2014 7:50:35 AM PDT · 15 of 17
    Carry_Okie to Baynative
    It seems like a hard game to maintain when they have to take ‘Honenchange’ and turn it in to no hope and convince people they are happy and better off.

    People actually get more angry when they feel betrayed by one of their own.

  • The Dead-End Road Called Pre-K

    08/26/2014 7:49:01 AM PDT · 12 of 17
    Carry_Okie to Kaslin

    I started my kids reading just after they turned three. By the time they were six they were reading college-level material.

  • RAHN: Obama’s bad news for blacks (for all those who call you racist)

    08/26/2014 7:45:39 AM PDT · 14 of 17
    Carry_Okie to CedarDave
    I was going to make the same point. They are NOT clueless;

    That was precisely the point I was making. Did I really need a sarc tag?

  • An Open Letter to the False Church

    08/25/2014 11:34:56 PM PDT · 22 of 24
    Carry_Okie to Lexinom

    Oh and do check out that link. You might learn something of value.

  • An Open Letter to the False Church

    08/25/2014 11:33:43 PM PDT · 21 of 24
    Carry_Okie to Lexinom
    I don’t think Seventh Day Adventists are apostate.

    I'm not SDA. I study, write, pray, work, and teach, frequently and as the Lord directs. Pretty idyllic really. You could call me a Messianic Jew (25% by blood) except for the fact that I wasn't raised Jewish. I really don't think such things are that all fired material.

  • RAHN: Obama’s bad news for blacks (for all those who call you racist)

    08/25/2014 10:15:31 PM PDT · 10 of 17
    Carry_Okie to Baynative
    What is striking is that the president and his advisers still seem to be clueless about which economic policies work and which don’t work. Despite his (at least for this week) emphasis on the economy, he persists in being the anti-Reagan, with anti-growth policies.

    How are the communists going to get their revolution of the proletariat unless the proles feel they have nothing to lose and no other means of gain?

  • An Open Letter to the False Church

    08/25/2014 3:04:05 PM PDT · 19 of 24
    Carry_Okie to Lexinom
    The moral law as delineated in Exodus 20.

    If you review the Hebrew for Ex. 20:8, you will note that it uses the definite article for the Shabbat. Go ahead and do a search on where that root is used before that point in the Bible as to when there might have been a "THE Shabbat" to remember as a singular event. My point in telling you this is that although the Sabbath has been observed, it might be that the point of remembering THE Sabbath Day has been missed since Joshua crossed the Jordan, along with a whole lot of other important teachings.

    Believe it or not, but much of the teaching in the Sermon on the Mount was about the Sabbath year, which was appropriate given that Yeshua's first year of ministry was a Shemitta, which is why the multitudes were available. It is also why the Son of Man had no home, as commanded in Ex 23:11 (you'll need a Hebrew lexicon to understand that point as virtually every historic English translation is a long way from the complete truth, although the Chabad have for the most part corrected theirs since I wrote this).

    Yeah, I'm one of those guys the author of the article above would call an apostate. That's why I cited Matthew 7:21-23 above.

  • An Open Letter to the False Church

    08/25/2014 1:52:13 PM PDT · 17 of 24
    Carry_Okie to Kaslin
    Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    The word commonly translated as "iniquity" is more accurately "lawlessness." To what "law" would the Messiah be referring? Hmmm?

  • Study: You Have 'Near-Zero' Impact on U.S. Policy

    08/25/2014 8:37:37 AM PDT · 35 of 35
    Carry_Okie to C19fan
    What would be more interesting to see if this result has been the same over time and the US has been and always will be an Oligarchy.

    Hamilton got what he wanted.

  • Could Key West Reach the Ferguson Flashpoint?

    08/24/2014 3:38:33 PM PDT · 81 of 87
    Carry_Okie to DaveA37
    I never said that other jobs were NOT dangerous so come on back down off your horse.

    My point was that being a cop is not so dangerous as your shrill proposition supposes. So back down off your high horse.

  • Could Key West Reach the Ferguson Flashpoint?

    08/24/2014 11:00:37 AM PDT · 75 of 87
    Carry_Okie to DaveA37
    Would YOU put yourself in harms way EVERY day, not knowing if you will come home at the end of your shift? I think not.

    A fisherman is ten times more likely to die than a police officer, has no pension, is paid less, and works under often terrible conditions. A logger is five times more likely to die on the job. Policing doesn't even make the top ten of hazardous jobs.

  • Police release video of fatal Kajieme Powell shooting in St. Louis

    08/21/2014 10:16:41 PM PDT · 136 of 161
    Carry_Okie to marktwain
    People shot, even in the heart, often take 5-10 seconds to go down.

    The guy goes down at the same rate whether the first cop is shooting or the one behind the car. So it does not make a bit of difference insofar as the risk to the closer officer is concerned.

    In this case, it appears about 2 seconds from the first shot until the man falls down, after multiple shots.

    How long it takes to fall is the wrong metric. How long was it before he was incapacitated from pursuing an attack? He was probably unconscious well before he hit the ground.

    If the cop had a .45, I'd take issue with the likelihood that a perp the size in the video would be able to harm the officer after taking one or two hits. A 6'-6" monster PCP case raging on adrenaline would be different. This does not appear to be that kind of situation.

    Personally, I have had screaming idiots on drugs far bigger than I am threatening me at shorter distances and just kept my head and things calmed down. At the time, I lived in a run-down marina on the waterfront below downtown Oakland back in the 70s when things were pretty rugged down there. But then I could run faster than the potential attackers, and swim better too. :-)

    As for “suicide by cop”, what else would you call it when the man says repeatedly “Shoot Me!” and refuses to obey commands, while approaching the police with a weapon in his hand?

    Then deny him his wish by staying at a safe distance. Try the taser. If one stays far enough away, there's no harm in a second shot. They should resort a firearm only if it appears the perp is taking action toward causing bodily harm. Better would have been to have the officer behind the car having a shotgun instead of a pistol, but that's up to the guys training them to figure out the procedure. But even if all I had was a .45 pistol, with him moving that slowly, I would wait for the distance to his reach to close to four feet or so and IMO the .45 hit would stop him cold.

    Ask any big game hunter how far a deer will run after it has been shot in the heart. They often run a hundred yards before falling over. In a human, a similar sized animal, that equates to 5-10 second so life.

    I happen to know a guy who's got a house full of kudu, roebuck, bighorn, etc. and over fifty elk racks... I'll ask that question as to how often he's seen that and get back to you, because although I know it is possible, I don't think it's likely. It's not what I've seen when I've gone hunting unless the first shot missed vital organs and the animal was on an adrenaline dump. I don't see that in this clown. Most animals I've shot just fall right where they are, at the most twitching a little.

    Remember, policing is not and never was supposed to be a totally safe job. We pay these people to protect lives and property in respect for the rights of citizens; police are paid to take risks to protect those rights. What we see in the unionized work rules designed for "officer safety" is a systematic rebalancing of that system of tradeoffs heavily weighted on behalf of the officer where the only acceptable risk is "no risk." This is why we see two cops making routine traffic stops here in California. This is why we see so many SWAT teams and no-knock raids gone wrong. It's unionism. It sets up police as adversaries of the people, and therefore a threat of a police state. If you haven't read Radly Balko's thoroughly documented history on the topic you should.

    This is an impression against which we must guard. It means that we should be aware that what constitutes an expediency at the expense of rights in the name of safety builds that impression. Hence, taking life because of the existence of an unnecessary and minimal risk is not part of the program.

    A mountain lion is more dangerous than this idiot. Most of the time they dart lions instead of killing them. Why are we doing this?

    The guy was clearly crazy. The people around him were keeping their distance and he wasn't chasing anybody. The officers knew that before they arrived hell they drove up without stopping hard. The cop behind the car was totally safe and had the perp sited within twenty feet. The perp had a knife but not a gun, so he was incapable of harming anyone beyond his reach. When they drove up the perp didn't rush them. All of that means they should prepare to handle a psych case and not get close enough to be attacked until he disarms. If he wants to stand there and scream and gesticulate, let him. In a case of suicide by cop where the perp is saying "Shoot me!" had the officers been notified of that demand prior to their arrival and taken no measures to account for that in minimizing the hazard to a citizen who is not a dangerous fugitive from justice, they might legitimately stand accused of a premeditated killing. They certainly appeared to be so predisposed.

    With all the non-lethal technology available, I just don't see that this killing was necessary. More importantly, I see it as unnecessarily politically damaging. No doubt a $0.80 round is cheaper than a shrink, but the paperwork dealing with this death won't be cheap and neither will the consequences of the impression it makes in a cohort of citizens inclined to see themselves at risk of similar and more unwarranted treatment. This just adds to a series of bad impressions, especially because of all the stupidity associated with the WOD. So, in microcosm I don't see this as nearly as much of a serious matter as in its larger context.

    BTW, I'll be gone for a couple of days and have a lot to do to get ready to go, so if you reply and I don't, please don't take it as a huff or snit. In the mean time, I do recommend the book.

  • Police release video of fatal Kajieme Powell shooting in St. Louis

    08/21/2014 6:10:02 PM PDT · 123 of 161
    Carry_Okie to ohioman
    Save your liberaltarian rant for someone else.

    Looks to me like it's you doing the ranting. Here's a clue, when you start shouting, you're losing.

    If you cannot see this shooting as justified then it must be due to the fact that your head is firmly stuck up your ass.

    See? I take it you don't care about that Constitution thingy. Why are you here?

    Even the scumbag thugs are not protesting this. You must be on their side with mike brown as well.

    No, I'm leaning toward the officer in that case, but the facts aren't all in yet. Those that are in are quite different, but then, I don't take sides first based upon appearances and then fit the facts to my preferences, like you apparently do. No wonder you're having such a hard time.