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  • United Airlines reaches settlement with passenger dragged from plane

    04/27/2017 4:33:51 PM PDT · 94 of 96
    chaosagent to DiogenesLamp

    The police do not have to demand to see the contract, all they have to have is an agent of the Airlines telling them the man is an unwelcome guest, and then it becomes within their legal authority to remove him.


    These were not ‘police’. They were unarmed security guards. They have no police powers.

    There is even a question on whether or not they could even legally be on the plane.

  • United Airlines reaches settlement with passenger dragged from plane

    04/27/2017 4:29:33 PM PDT · 93 of 96
    chaosagent to DiogenesLamp

    Where to start?

    First off, he was not in violation of the contract. The contract says that a seated passenger can only be removed for one of 19 different reasons, i.e. drunk, rowdy, smelly, blind without a guide, etc.

    Needing your seat for another employee ain’t on the list, and United has admitted this.

    The ‘police’ were not called. These were not police. They were unarmed security guards. They have no right to issue ‘orders’ to anyone. Other posts have indicated they didn’t even have a right to be on the plane at all.

  • United Airlines reaches settlement with passenger dragged from plane

    04/27/2017 4:14:07 PM PDT · 89 of 96
    chaosagent to DiogenesLamp

    No it couldn’t have been. Under the circumstances, had they told me that I was randomly selected from the passengers and that they would like me to leave, I would have done so with decorum.


    So you would have gotten off under any circumstances?
    Remember the next available flight wasn’t until the next afternoon.

    1. You’re flying to try to get to your father’s bedside before he dies.

    2. You’re flying to get to your mother’s funeral.

    3. You’re flying to get to your daughter’s wedding.

    4. You’re a doctor and have to see patients the next morning.

  • Lockheed Debuts New S-97 Raider Light Tactical Helicopter Video in Marketing Push

    04/23/2017 12:04:42 PM PDT · 26 of 31
    chaosagent to ZOOKER

    ... If you had enough airspeed, you could even stop the main rotor’s rotation altogether and fly it like a fixed-wing biplane (theoretically)...


    Sounds like what Airwolf would do right before it went supersonic. LOL

    In fact the head-on shot in the article reminds me a lot of Airwolf.

  • Mysterious Village Discovered In Canada Is 10,000 Years Older Than The Pyramids

    04/20/2017 12:54:12 PM PDT · 25 of 64
    chaosagent to T-Bone Texan

    “... the discovery lines up with the oral history of the Heiltsuk Nation. For generations, stories have been handed down...”

    Ah jeez, what a pantload of BS. Those people are Neolithic, and lack a written language.


    Handed down, you know, ORALLY. as in ‘the oral history of ...’

  • Muslim wins match, refuses to shake female ref's hand

    04/19/2017 10:04:46 PM PDT · 21 of 23
    chaosagent to 2banana

    Didnt Hitler refuse to shake Jesse Owens hands at the 1936 Summer Olympics?


    Seems like he did shake hands with Owens because the Olympic Committee insisted. But he refused to ‘congratualate’ him.

  • Family Finds $14K on Side of Road; Returns it to Rightful Owner

    04/18/2017 11:03:06 PM PDT · 58 of 62
    chaosagent to BJ1

    Years ago we were on vacation in Florida, and leaving a gift shop, found a $100 bill laying on the ground.

    My wife (a little naive) wanted to go inside and leave the bill with a clerk in case someone came back to claim it.

    I told her no way and that it would disappear into the clerk’s pocket as soon as we walked out the door.

    However I did go back inside and talked to the manager. I gave her my card and told her that we had found something outside that someone would likely want back. And if anyone came in looking for something they lost, to call me and if they could identify it, I would get it back to them.

    Never heard from anyone.

  • United Airlines Was Right, and Its Numerous Critics Wrong

    04/18/2017 12:32:17 PM PDT · 46 of 258
    chaosagent to SeekAndFind

    According to Part 21 - Refusal To Transport of the CoC’s, there are 19 specific reason you can ‘re-accommodate’ a passenger after he has been seated, i.e., drunk, rowdy, barefoot, smelly, blind, etc.

    Needing his seat for a company employee isn’t one of the 19.

  • Hello From Spain

    04/17/2017 11:25:52 AM PDT · 60 of 135
    chaosagent to HotHunt

    Back in the 80’s we had some friends that had a small family-run chain of Mexican restaurants in Texas and California.

    A family member moved to Bogota, Colombia, SA and opened a Mexican restaurant there, which was a big hit.

    Mexican food in Colombia was like Chinese food in the US, completely new and different.

  • Hello From Spain

    04/17/2017 11:08:23 AM PDT · 58 of 135
    chaosagent to HotHunt

    We stayed in a hotel for a few weeks when we first moved there before finding a place to live. The hotel dining room served “tortillas” it said on the menu.

    What I got was an egg omelet. I learned that Mexican food is Mexican, not Spanish.


    Having spent time in both Mexico and Colombia, SA, I can tell you that ‘Mexican Food’ isn’t Mexican either.

  • How the U.S. Assassinated the Japanese Admiral Who Planned Pearl Harbor

    04/17/2017 9:36:31 AM PDT · 76 of 138
    chaosagent to minnesota_bound

    #5 He was ‘re-positioned’ into the jungle. : )

    Don’t you mean ‘re-accommodated’?

  • Adding insult to injury: United did NOT take passenger's bags off his plane after he was dragged...

    04/15/2017 7:47:03 PM PDT · 72 of 86
    chaosagent to Mechanicos

    Sorry, but show me where trains are governed by the FAA and the F.A.R. (Federal Aviation Regulations)

    Here is Part 21 - Refusal to Transport

    Once passenger has boarded and been seated, there are basically 19 reasons a passenger can be ejected from a plane. And needing his seat for another employee is not on the list.

    RULE 21 REFUSAL OF TRANSPORT
    UA shall have the right to refuse to transport or shall have the right to remove from the aircraft at any point, any Passenger for the following reasons:

    Breach of Contract of Carriage – Failure by Passenger to comply with the Rules of the Contract of Carriage.
    Government Request, Regulations or Security Directives – Whenever such action is necessary to comply with any government regulation, Customs and Border Protection, government or airport security directive of any sort, or any governmental request for emergency transportation in connection with the national defense.

    Force Majeure and Other Unforeseeable Conditions – Whenever such action is necessary or advisable by reason of weather or other conditions beyond UA’s control including, but not limited to, acts of God, force majeure, strikes, civil commotions, embargoes, wars, hostilities, terrorist activities, or disturbances, whether actual, threatened, or reported.

    Search of Passenger or Property – Whenever a Passenger refuses to submit to electronic surveillance or to permit search of his/her person or property.

    Proof of Identity – Whenever a Passenger refuses on request to produce identification satisfactory to UA or who presents a Ticket to board and whose identification does not match the name on the Ticket. UA shall have the right, but shall not be obligated, to require identification of persons purchasing tickets and/or presenting a ticket(s) for the purpose of boarding the aircraft.

    Failure to Pay – Whenever a Passenger has not paid the appropriate fare for a Ticket, Baggage, or applicable service charges for services required for travel, has not paid an outstanding debt or Court judgment, or has not produced satisfactory proof to UA that the Passenger is an authorized non-revenue Passenger or has engaged in a prohibited practice as specified in Rule 6.

    Across International Boundaries – Whenever a Passenger is traveling across any international boundary if:
    The government required travel documents of such Passenger appear not to be in order according to UA’s reasonable belief; or
    Such Passenger’s embarkation from, transit through, or entry into any country from, through, or to which such Passenger desires transportation would be unlawful or denied for any reason.

    Safety – Whenever refusal or removal of a Passenger may be necessary for the safety of such Passenger or other Passengers or members of the crew including, but not limited to:

    Passengers whose conduct is disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent;

    Passengers who fail to comply with or interfere with the duties of the members of the flight crew, federal regulations, or security directives;

    Passengers who assault any employee of UA, including the gate agents and flight crew, or any UA Passenger;

    Passengers who, through and as a result of their conduct, cause a disturbance such that the captain or member of the cockpit crew must leave the cockpit in order to attend to the disturbance;

    Passengers who are barefoot or not properly clothed;
    Passengers who appear to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs to a degree that the Passenger may endanger the Passenger or another Passenger or members of the crew (other than a qualified individual whose appearance or involuntary behavior may make them appear to be intoxicated or under the influence of drugs);

    Passengers wearing or possessing on or about their person concealed or unconcealed deadly or dangerous weapons; provided, however, that UA will carry law enforcement personnel who meet the qualifications and conditions established in 49 C.F.R. §1544.219;

    Passengers who are unwilling or unable to follow UA’s policy on smoking or use of other smokeless materials;
    Unless they comply with Rule 6 I), Passengers who are unable to sit in a single seat with the seat belt properly secured, and/or are unable to put the seat’s armrests down when seated and remain seated with the armrest down for the entirety of the flight, and/or passengers who significantly encroach upon the adjoining passenger’s seat;

    Passengers who are manacled or in the custody of law enforcement personnel;

    Passengers who have resisted or may reasonably be believed to be capable of resisting custodial supervision;

    Pregnant Passengers in their ninth month, unless such Passenger provides a doctor’s certificate dated no more than 72 hours prior to departure stating that the doctor has examined and found the Passenger to be physically fit for air travel to and from the destination requested on the date of the flight, and that the estimated date of delivery is after the date of the last flight;

    Passengers who are incapable of completing a flight safely, without requiring extraordinary medical assistance during the flight, as well as Passengers who appear to have symptoms of or have a communicable disease or condition that could pose a direct threat to the health or safety of others on the flight, or who refuse a screening for such disease or condition. (NOTE: UA requires a medical certificate for
    Passengers who wish to travel under such circumstances. Visit UA’s website, united.com, for more information regarding UA’s requirements for medical certificates);

    Passengers who fail to travel with the required safety assistant(s), advance notice and/or other safety requirements pursuant to Rules 14 and 15;

    Passengers who do not qualify as acceptable Non-Ambulatory Passengers (see Rule 14);

    Passengers who have or cause a malodorous condition (other than individuals qualifying as disabled);

    Passengers whose physical or mental condition is such that, in United’s sole opinion, they are rendered or likely to be rendered incapable of comprehending or complying with safety instructions without the assistance of an escort. The escort must accompany the escorted passenger at all times; and
    Unaccompanied passengers who are both blind and deaf, unless such passenger is able to communicate with representatives of UA by either physical, mechanical, electronic, or other means. Such passenger must inform UA of the method of communication to be used; and

    Passengers who are unwilling to follow UA’s policy that prohibits voice calls after the aircraft doors have closed, while taxiing in preparation for takeoff, or while airborne.

    Any Passenger who, by reason of engaging in the above activities in this Rule 21, causes UA any loss, damage or expense of any kind, consents and acknowledges that he or she shall reimburse UA for any such loss, damage or expense. UA has the right to refuse transport, on a permanent basis, to any passenger who, by reason of engaging in the above activities in this Rule 21, causes UA any loss, damage or expense of any kind, or who has been disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent. In addition, the activities enumerated in H) 1) through 8) shall constitute a material breach of contract, for which UA shall be excused from performing its obligations under this contract.

    UA is not liable for its refusal to transport any passenger or for its removal of any passenger in accordance with this Rule. A Passenger who is removed or refused transportation in accordance with this Rule may be eligible for a refund upon request. See Rule 27 A). As an express precondition to issuance of any refund, UA shall not be responsible for damages of any kind whatsoever. The passenger’s sole and exclusive remedy shall be Rule 27 A).

  • Adding insult to injury: United did NOT take passenger's bags off his plane after he was dragged...

    04/15/2017 4:30:09 PM PDT · 57 of 86
    chaosagent to Boomer

    Check out Rule 21 - Refusal of Transport.

    This is the list of reasons a person maybe thrown off a plane. No mention of needing his seat for another employee.

  • Adding insult to injury: United did NOT take passenger's bags off his plane after he was dragged...

    04/15/2017 4:18:39 PM PDT · 56 of 86
    chaosagent to Mechanicos

    Check out the terms of the contract the phoney drama queen agreed too, specifically the sections on why he can be kicked off and limitations of damages.


    You might want to check out some of the law sites about Part 121 of the CoC.

    Once he is given a boarding pass and is in his seat, the rules change. There is a very specific list of reasons (rowdy, drunk, smelly, barefoot, etc.) that he can be kicked off the plane at that point, and the airline needing his seat is not one of them.

    Now still at the gate is another story, and another set of rules, as is overbooking, which this was not.

  • Dec 2016: Feathered dinosaur tail fragment trapped in amber amazes scientists

    04/15/2017 2:55:26 PM PDT · 18 of 102
    chaosagent to Diana in Wisconsin

    But, if humans evolved from monkeys...why do we still have monkeys? ;)


    Well, because most scientist who subscribe to that theory say that both humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestor, not from monkeys to humans.

    Monkeys apparently didn’t make the cut.

  • Jackson husband & wife shocked after DNA test reveals they are biological twins

    04/15/2017 2:51:33 PM PDT · 56 of 100
    chaosagent to ifinnegan

    Links to other reports?


    Sorry I didn’t realize you were ‘Google unaware’.

    ‘fraternal twins accidentally marry’

    https://www.google.com/search?q=fraternal+twins+accidentally+marry&oq=faternal+twins+marry+ac&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.11091j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

  • Jackson husband & wife shocked after DNA test reveals they are biological twins

    04/15/2017 2:11:01 PM PDT · 35 of 100
    chaosagent to ifinnegan

    Multiple sites including Fox News and a number of UK sites are carrying it.

    No names because of HIPPA Federal regs.

    And do you really think the couple want their names publicized?

    Would you?

    And a little Googling will show you multiple cases of this, including one back in 2008.

    It happens.

  • Jackson husband & wife shocked after DNA test reveals they are biological twins

    04/15/2017 2:10:06 PM PDT · 33 of 100
    chaosagent to Drango

    Multiple sites including Fox News and a number of UK sites are carrying it.

    No names because of HIPPA Federal regs.

    And do you really think the couple want their names publicized?

    Would you?

    And a little Googling will show you multiple cases of this, including one back in 2008.

    It happens.

  • Angry United Airlines pilots' union issue statement denying ALL responsibility for forcible...

    04/14/2017 1:26:09 PM PDT · 153 of 199
    chaosagent to blueplum

    “United flies 4 nonstops each Sunday from it’s Chicago hub to Louisville, and there was still one flight scheduled a few hours later.”


    Seems like I remember that the next flight was also fully booked. Passengers were told that the next United flight was the next afternoon.

  • Why United Was Legally Wrong to Deplane David Dao

    04/14/2017 11:35:09 AM PDT · 296 of 370
    chaosagent to tcrlaf

    So maybe you haven’t actually the article, or the Contact of Carriage.

    Here’s what he and several other lawyers, including a couple who specialize in FAA law say.


    It turns out that the contract has a specific rule regarding “Refusal of Transport” (Rule 21), which lays out the conditions under which a passenger can be removed and refused transport on the aircraft. This includes situations where passengers act in a “disorderly, offensive, abusive, or violent” manner, refuse to comply with the smoking policy, are barefoot or “not properly clothed,” as well as many other situations.

    There is absolutely no provision for deplaning a seated passenger because the flight is oversold.


    According to this, once he was allowed onboard and seated, the rules changed, and they can’t just pick out a passenger at random and throw him off the plane except under very specific circumstances. And needing a seat for another employee isn’t one of them.