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  • I'm Still Not A Gun Person But...

    09/27/2013 5:21:21 AM PDT · 25 of 26
    CHICAGOFARMER to rellimpank

    BELOW IS YOUR DAILY QUIZ. THE SUBJECT IS CURRENT EVENTS. THIS IS NOT MULTIPLE CHOICE. INSTEAD
    YOU HAVE 10,685 POSSIBLE CORRECT ANSWERS.

    ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET ONE RIGHT.
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    During thte 503 Days between the Trayvon Martin Shoting and the Zimmerman Verdict..... 10,865 Blacks were killed by other Blacks.

    NAME ONE...

  • (Vanity) Thanks to Jim Robinson & John Robinson

    11/06/2012 8:25:32 AM PST · 10 of 61
    CHICAGOFARMER to GeronL

    Jim and John

    Just tell us in a paragraph what the H#$* was wrong with the system???

  • Vanity: How Michele Bachmann can take Newt out and put a hurt on Romney

    12/16/2011 9:00:44 AM PST · 87 of 93
    CHICAGOFARMER to Jabba the Nutt

    Personal attacks rule # 1 of democrat troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I stand by my argument.

    Trolls can not stand the heat.

    Death to political trolls, tyrants, and corrupt politicians.

  • Vanity: How Michele Bachmann can take Newt out and put a hurt on Romney

    12/16/2011 9:00:25 AM PST · 86 of 93
    CHICAGOFARMER to Jabba the Nutt

    Personal attacks rule # 1 of democrat troll !!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I stand by my argument.

    Trolls can not stand the heat.

    Death to political trolls, tyrants, and corrupt politicians.

  • Vanity: How Michele Bachmann can take Newt out and put a hurt on Romney

    12/16/2011 5:05:01 AM PST · 8 of 93
    CHICAGOFARMER to Jabba the Nutt

    JABBZ - YOU ARE A DEMOCRAT TROLL. GO AWAY BEFORE YOU GET HURT.

  • The CFL Fraud ILiberals gone wild - and Americans beleived them at their peril)

    04/19/2011 3:41:36 PM PDT · 28 of 31
    CHICAGOFARMER to bestintxas

    True story

    I was working in my office one night at midnight, and I have several CFL’s in addition to many fluorescent lights.

    I heard a sizzling sound like bacon, looked in the direction of the sound and watch the CFL burst into flame with flames licking up onto the ceiling of my house.

    Next morning I changed out every single CFL with conventional light bulbs.

    As I write this memo. I’m looking at the Black flame marks on the porcelain base.

    Good luck

  • Another Body Blow… Trump Goes After Obama’s Close Ties to Crook Rezko

    04/12/2011 3:10:05 PM PDT · 224 of 255
    CHICAGOFARMER to screaminsunshine

    To:

    Screaminsunshine -— you are plant for democrats.

  • Trump is Right and is Now Turning to the Real Issue – What is a ‘Natural Born Citizen?’

    04/10/2011 5:11:40 PM PDT · 3 of 72
    CHICAGOFARMER to 2ndDivisionVet

    somebody should send this to Donald Trump

    http://www.patriotactionnetwork.com/forum/topics/the-o-expose-the-continuing?xg_source=activity

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    This is an article written by an ex IRS investigator.

    As an IRS tax examiner,one of many former federal jobs, I have seen what it appears Barry Soetoro has done, mostly by illegal aliens attempting to acquire a new identity in the U.S and/or criminals looking to acquire a new ID.

    Barry, AKA Obama, was lawfully adopted by a foreign national, Lolo Soetoro, and Barry’s name was legally changed to “Barry Soetoro”. (Barry’s own admission) Barry Soetoro was also made an official legal Indonesian citizen. (again Barry’s own admission) The adoption would be noted in Barry’s vital statistics record in Hawaii on his original birth certificate...

    OR Lolo Soetoro may have always been Barry’s legal birth farther. The public does not know for sure at this point who Barry’s father really was and Barry himself may not know.

    Barry was raised as a Muslim in Indonesia and attended a Catholic funded school that permitted all faiths to attend.

    Barry’s mother dropped him as a dependent for some reason....

  • Tax Nightmare: PFIC and Form 8621

  • U.S. storage sites overfilled with spent nuclear fuel

    03/22/2011 3:51:45 PM PDT · 16 of 32
    CHICAGOFARMER to EBH

    BLAME Harry Reid democratic senator for spent nuclear rods filling pools at the nuclear plants instead of being stored in Nevada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • U.S. storage sites overfilled with spent nuclear fuel

    03/22/2011 3:51:28 PM PDT · 14 of 32
    CHICAGOFARMER to EBH

    BLAME Harry Reid democratic senator for spent nuclear rods filling pools at the nuclear plants instead of being stored in Nevada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • U.S. storage sites overfilled with spent nuclear fuel

    03/22/2011 3:51:28 PM PDT · 15 of 32
    CHICAGOFARMER to EBH

    BLAME Harry Reid democratic senator for spent nuclear rods filling pools at the nuclear plants instead of being stored in Nevada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • U.S. storage sites overfilled with spent nuclear fuel

    03/22/2011 3:51:14 PM PDT · 13 of 32
    CHICAGOFARMER to EBH

    BLAME Harry Reid democratic senator for spent nuclear rods filling pools at the nuclear plants instead of being stored in Nevada!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • VP Joe Biden thank you

    12/29/2010 8:35:19 AM PST · 1 of 5
    CHICAGOFARMER
    Paid for by Organizing for America, a project of the Democratic National Committee. Joe Biden thank you.
  • Help choosing a handgun.

  • Help choosing a handgun.

    12/02/2010 7:02:55 PM PST · 97 of 101
    CHICAGOFARMER to Elixyveth

    TIP

    GUN HANDLING SKILLS ARE PEARISHABLE UNLESS PRACTICED REGULARLY.

    I FIRE 5000 ROUNDS ANNUANLLY MOSTLY WITH SEMI AUTOMATAICS.

    HOWEVER FOR PERSONAL “HOME SAFETY” AND “CARRY USE” A WHEEL GUN (REVOLVER). WHY? WHEN I AM SLEEPLY, OR RUNNING AND FINDING COVER AND MY GUN JAMS (WHICH SEMI AUTOMATICS DO) I CAN CLEAR MY REVOLVER BY JUST PULLING THE TRIGGER WITH ANOTHER TRIGGER PULL. NONE OF THIS TAP AND RACK BS. OR WORSE YET I AM INJURED IN ONE ARM.

    IF YOU ARE A SMALL FRAME WOMAN BUY A 8 SHOT 22 LR, A LARGER WOAMN A 38 “2” WHEEL GUN WITH HOLSTER WOULD BE JUST FINE.

    REMEMEBER JUST SHOWING A GUN WILL CAUSE 99.999 OF THE PERPS TO TURN AND RUN. JOHN LOTT SAYS YOU WILL ONLY FIRE ONCE FOR EVERY 2000 DRAWS.

    BE SAFE

    CHICAGOFARMER

  • Help choosing a handgun.

    12/02/2010 6:45:02 PM PST · 96 of 101
    CHICAGOFARMER to Elixyveth

    FIVE RULES FOR ccw ALSO KNOW AS LEGAL CARRY

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/707720/posts

  • Help choosing a handgun.

    12/02/2010 6:42:11 PM PST · 95 of 101
    CHICAGOFARMER to Elixyveth

    Jeff Cooper’s Rules of Gun Safety
    From Pages 8-10 of The Modern Technique of the Pistol, by Greg Morrison, Gunsite Press, Paulden, Arizona, ISBN 0-9621342-3-6, Library of Congress Number 91-72644, $40

    RULE I: ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED
    There are no exceptions. Do not pretend that this is true. Some people and organizations take this rule and weaken it; e.g. “Treat all guns as if they were loaded.” Unfortunately, the “as if” compromises the directness of the statement by implying that they are unloaded, but we will treat them as though they are loaded. No good! Safety rules must be worded forcefully so that they are never treated lightly or reduced to partial compliance.
    All guns are always loaded - period!
    This must be your mind-set. If someone hands you a firearm and says, “Don’t worry, it’s not loaded,” you do not dare believe him. You need not be impolite, but check it yourself. Remember, there are no accidents, only negligent acts. Check it. Do not let yourself fall prey to a situation where you might feel compelled to squeal, “I didn’t know it was loaded!”

    RULE II: NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT WILLING TO DESTROY
    Conspicuously and continuously violated, especially with pistols, Rule II applies whether you are involved in range practice, daily carry, or examination. If the weapon is assembled and in someone’s hands, it is capable of being discharged. A firearm holstered properly, lying on a table, or placed in a scabbard is of no danger to anyone. Only when handled is there a need for concern. This rule applies to fighting as well as to daily handling. If you are not willing to take a human life, do not cover a person with the muzzle. This rule also applies to your own person. Do not allow the muzzle to cover your extremities, e.g. using both hands to reholster the pistol. This practice is unsound, both procedurally and tactically. You may need a free hand for something important. Proper holster design should provide for one-handed holstering, so avoid holsters which collapse after withdrawing the pistol. (Note: It is dangerous to push the muzzle against the inside edge of the holster nearest the body to “open” it since this results in your pointing the pistol at your midsection.) Dry-practice in the home is a worthwhile habit and it will result in more deeply programmed reflexes. Most of the reflexes involved in the Modern Technique do not require that a shot be fired. Particular procedures for dry-firing in the home will be covered later. Let it suffice for now that you do not dry-fire using a “target” that you wish not to see destroyed. (Recall RULE I as well.)

    RULE III: KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET
    Rule III is violated most anytime the uneducated person handles a firearm. Whether on TV, in the theaters, or at the range, people seem fascinated with having their finger on the trigger. Never stand or walk around with your finger on the trigger. It is unprofessional, dangerous, and, perhaps most damaging to the psyche, it is klutzy looking. Never fire a shot unless the sights are superimposed on the target and you have made a conscious decision to fire. Firing an unaligned pistol in a fight gains nothing. If you believe that the defensive pistol is only an intimidation tool - not something to be used - carry blanks, or better yet, reevaluate having one around. If you are going to launch a projectile, it had best be directed purposely. Danger abounds if you allow your finger to dawdle inside the trigger guard. As soon as the sights leave the target, the trigger-finger leaves the trigger and straightens alongside the frame. Since the hand normally prefers to work as a unit - as in grasping - separating the function of the trigger-finger from the rest of the hand takes effort. The five-finger grasp is a deeply programmed reflex. Under sufficient stress, and with the finger already placed on the trigger, an unexpected movement, misstep or surprise could result in a negligent discharge. Speed cannot be gained from such a premature placement of the trigger-finger. Bringing the sights to bear on the target, whether from the holster or the Guard Position, takes more time than that required for moving the trigger finger an inch or so to the trigger.

    RULE IV: BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET
    Know what it is, what is in line with it, and what is behind it. Never shoot at anything you have not positively identified. Be aware of your surroundings, whether on the range or in a fight. Do not assume anything. Know what you are doing.

    SUMMARY
    Make these rules a part of your character. Never compromise them. Improper gunhandling results from ignorance and improper role modeling, such as handling your gun like your favorite actor does. Education can cure this. You can make a difference by following these gunhandling rules and insisting that those around you do the same. Set the example. Who knows what tragedies you, or someone you influence, may prevent?

  • Help choosing a handgun.

  • Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot

    11/23/2010 4:05:53 PM PST · 163 of 163
    CHICAGOFARMER to CHICAGOFARMER

    We had this discussion Officers killed with own firearm and with assault rifles in April 2010.

    Have more data.

    To see chart go to website

    http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16687250

    Police officers 511 killed by firearms since 2000

    By Cheryl W. Thompson
    The Washington Post
    Posted: 11/23/2010 01:00:00 AM MST
    Updated: 11/23/2010 01:27:18 AM MST

    Darryl Jeter, above, is serving a life sentence in Indiana for killing state Trooper Scott Patrick in 2003. (Ricky Carioti, The Washington Post)

    Hattie Louise James was sitting on her front porch in Charlotte, N.C., when two police detectives emerged from their car. There had been a shooting, they said. Two officers were dead. The gun had been traced back to her.
    “I liked to had another heart attack,” said James, 72, a retired hospital worker.

    The .32-caliber revolver used to kill Charlotte-Mecklenburg police officers Sean Clark and Jeff Shelton in April 2007 started out as a legally owned weapon. James bought it in 1991 at Hyatt Coin and Gun Shop in Charlotte, but it was stolen a year later from her husband’s car.
    Fifteen years after that, it passed into the hands of 25-year- old Demeatrius Montgomery.

    Last September, Montgomery was convicted of Patrick’s mother, Sandy. (Ricky Carioti, The Washington Post)

    gunning down the officers outside a low-income housing complex in northeast Charlotte.

    Clark and Shelton are two of 511 police officers killed by firearms in the U.S. from the beginning of 2000 through Sept. 30.

    To trace these guns, The Washington Post did a year-long investigation, including building a database of every police officer shot to death in the past decade. (More than 1,900 officers were wounded by firearms during the same period.)

    The 511 police officers in the study are among more than 95,000 Americans killed by people using firearms in the past decade.

    “It is extremely easy in this country for anyone who wants to get a weapon to obtain one, particularly a handgun,” said Norfolk, Va., Police Chief Bruce Marquis, whose department has lost five officers to guns since 2001. “There is not a lot we can do about it unless the laws are changed to restrict guns to make it harder to get them or severely punish those who knowingly obtain weapons stolen or used in other crimes.”

    Federal law prohibits felons, people who have been committed to an institution for mental illness, and drug users from buying a gun. Buyers of handguns must be at least 21 years old, and the minimum age for buying a rifle or shotgun is 18. States have wide latitude to set limits on how many handguns may be bought at a time and to require additional background checks, purchase permits and the reporting of lost or stolen guns.

    “There’s such a disparity between the gun laws in different states,” said Lt. Howard Schechter, head of the forensic investigation unit for Albany, N.Y., police. “Down South, their feelings about guns and gun control are completely different. Both Carolinas, Florida, Georgia, they’re generally very easy places to get guns.”

    The number of legally owned firearms among the guns The Washington Post was able to track — 107 out of 341 deaths — surprised Garen Wintemute, a professor of emergency medicine and director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California at Davis.
    “That’s high,” Wintemute said. “That’s very unusual.”

    Wintemute said people charged with felonies often plead guilty to misdemeanors. And he noted that although a felony conviction makes it a federal crime to possess a gun, a misdemeanor carries no such restriction.

    “We are finding here cases in which felons have been able to acquire guns even though they shouldn’t, but we are also finding cases in which people who have criminal misdemeanor records but remain eligible to buy guns do buy those guns and then kill cops with them,” he said. “Any effort to find a pattern in these tragedies is helpful because patterns often lead to solutions.”
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    Facts and figures

    The Washington Post’s review shows how guns got into the hands of officers’ killers and, in a nation with more than 250 million guns in circulation, how a moment of panic can have deadly consequences. Among the findings:

    • Legal purchase was the leading source of weapons used to kill police officers. In 107 slayings, the killers acquired their firearms legally.

    • Stolen guns turned up in 77 deaths. Separately, guns obtained or taken from relatives or friends who legally owned them were used in 46 killings. Fifty-one officers were killed when their department-issued firearms or other officers’ guns were turned against them. In 41 instances, guns were illegally obtained on the streets through sale or barter. Sixteen times, someone bought a weapon for a person prohibited from having a gun.

    • Ninety-one of the officers were killed while making traffic stops; 76 were responding to domestic disturbance calls. Officers killed at traffic stops were generally slain by felons wielding illegal guns.

    • More than 200 of the shooters were felons who were prohibited by federal law from possessing firearms.

    • The two most populous states led the nation in police officer shooting deaths: California, with 47, and Texas, with 46. Next were Louisiana, with 28, and Florida, with 27, even though Florida has four times as many residents.

  • Wisconsin only state where Democrats lost governor, Senate seat, Legislature (I predicted margin!)

    11/03/2010 8:39:32 AM PDT · 25 of 51
    CHICAGOFARMER to milwguy

    I predict legal firearm carry in Wisconsin both open and concealed.

  • Gold Flies to Record, Investors Seek Safety (Smashes past $1240/ounce. Is it telling us something?)

    05/12/2010 12:13:33 PM PDT · 30 of 35
    CHICAGOFARMER to PA Engineer

    With my 45 pressed against the forehead I take your share? yes NO? will bethe rule of the day.

    Actually discussed this with my neighbor (2 doors down and a farmer). These are the first people we will take out.

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    bless be the Lord of trained my arms for battle. Psalms 144.1

    Train like you fight, fight like you train

  • Gold Flies to Record, Investors Seek Safety (Smashes past $1240/ounce. Is it telling us something?)

    05/12/2010 11:30:41 AM PDT · 28 of 35
    CHICAGOFARMER to Lurker

    Ever try eating gold?
    Ever try eating a ten-spot?

    This is not a good security blanket if there is no market to turn into cash to buy bread.

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    With my 45 pressed against the forehead I take your share? yes NO? will bethe rule of the day.

  • Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot

    05/04/2010 7:44:10 AM PDT · 161 of 163
    CHICAGOFARMER to RedMonqey

    There are no national statistics on how many times officers’ guns are taken away. But the FBI says that of the 616 law enforcement officers killed on duty by criminals from 1994 through 2003, 52 were killed with their own weapon, amounting to 8 percent.

    You need to expand your research criteria and not narrow it down to a single year from a single source.

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    Couple of comments

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    Yes, there is data and how many officers are killed with their own firearms.I have studied it years ago.

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    This is old data.you’re assuming that law enforcement officers are still using the old holster equipment of wild West. Since about 2003 law enforcement officers are using bolsters with double and triple safety locks. Like the Blackhawk Serpa bolster.

    These newly designed oldsters, improve training, has reduced the number of officers being killed with their own firearms from 8% down to less than 1% annually. My statement is still true 45 to 50% of law enforcement officers are killed in automobile accidents. 30 to 40% are killed with firearms..

    It is still disingenuous to say that law enforcement officers killed with their own firearms is a major problem.

    I train year-round with federal, state, and local law enforcement.everything comes SWAT tactics to deployment of a shotgun from patrol car. Your statement is still overstated and that was my point, and the statistics in 2009 proves the point.

    Train like you fight, fight like a train.

    Blessed be the Lord of trained my arms for battle. Psalms 144.1

    He that has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one Luke 22.24

    stay safe brother

  • Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot

    05/03/2010 7:30:29 AM PDT · 159 of 163
    CHICAGOFARMER to RedMonqey

    Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot
    Sunday, May 02, 2010 6:33:00 PM · 158 of 158
    RedMonqey to CHICAGOFARMER
    not a single officer was killed with his own firearm in 2009

    Narrowed down to just the year “2009” you maybe correct but there is an infamous copcam video where an Texas lawman was over powered and shot dead by his own firearm by a punk in a carload of drug smugglers he just pulled over..... just saying..

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    The problem I had with your review was, you used the word “many”. you got to be careful what you writean opinion when it’s not based on fact.

    I have several tapes were officers were shot with their own Firearm.but it’s not “many”.

    Careful what you say, or you will sound like you are taking thee anti-gun view.

    Chicago farmer
    Graduate of federal state and local police training. Him him him him him

  • Open Carry Advocates: Shooting Themselves in the Foot

    04/29/2010 5:46:41 PM PDT · 103 of 163
    CHICAGOFARMER to AJKauf

    The police receive training on weapons retention yet many are killed every year with their own weapon, so open carry will just produce easier targets for the criminals and let the bad guys know who is armed and who is not, makes their work safer for the criminal.

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    It is obvious you don’t know your fact, because I have the 2009 officer memorial list in front of mepublished by the American Federation of police and concerned citizen, and not a single officer was killed with his own firearm in 2009.in the Memorial a listing of110 officers were killed in the line of duty, 42 by assailants firearms.

    Since I know these reported facts it is obvious you’re pulling your opinion out of thin air. It is disingenuous on your part to spread such inaccurate information.

  • Leaking Oil Well Lacked Safeguard Device

    04/29/2010 12:43:03 PM PDT · 29 of 77
    CHICAGOFARMER to throwback

    The more you read, the more it smells
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    careful what you read.

  • Gun prohibitionists are disingenuous, hypocritical

    03/26/2010 6:27:15 PM PDT · 25 of 27
    CHICAGOFARMER to Blood of Tyrants

    A possible 150 out of 6 million concealed carry holders?

    WRONG

    150 dead souls, including sucides, and muliples.

    So say 60 plus.

    Some of those AK47’s ,etc.

    Be careful how you say it.

  • Handguns (vanity)

    03/24/2010 8:20:53 AM PDT · 139 of 140
    CHICAGOFARMER to UriÂ’el-2012

    As always, stay sharp and train safe.

  • Handguns (vanity)

    03/23/2010 9:22:28 AM PDT · 130 of 140
    CHICAGOFARMER to UriÂ’el-2012

    This will get you killed in some neighborhoods, and when on the street CCW.

    Always keep the gun unloaded until ready to use???

    Proper holsters,and trigger guards will allow proper and safe transportation and carry. 90% of training classes fail to train in holster logic, types, why, whatfor, etc.

  • Handguns (vanity)

    03/23/2010 8:25:38 AM PDT · 127 of 140
    CHICAGOFARMER to tatown

    My friend

    If safety is your number one concern, following comments do not be taken lightly.

    The best jam free gun that you can purchase is a revolver. If a bullet does not fire when you pull the trigger, to clear the jam you just pull the trigger. This gun is 100% jam free. They can be used in the home, on the road, CCW, CTW, If you’re injured in a gunfight you can still use it. You cannot clearly gun jam with a semi automatic if you have been shot in one arm,especially if you have a level III are level IV jam.

    If you’ve been involved in a self defense situation 2000 times, Jon Lott says you will only pull the trigger one time.

    I like Smith & Wesson and Taurus 5, 6 or 7 shot 38 revolvers,and I like 8 shot 22 Magnum revolvers. My personal favorite is a lightweight titanium 38 Taurus.

    I’ve fired tens of thousands rounds of ammunition. Most of the toys represented in this thread are semi automatic and when you’re in a gunfight you want an absolutely fail proof firearm, a revolver. Yes a revolver.

    Do you want to own a firearm any woman can operate,a revolver, a revolver.

    Get the picture?

    A snobby nose 2 inch revolver which you can carry in your pocket or your purse.

  • No charges for Calif. officer who kicked suspect (VIDEO of pursuit and kick)

    12/31/2009 9:51:52 AM PST · 138 of 225
    CHICAGOFARMER to seemoAR

    Dumb enough to expect Peace Officers to obey the law. How dumb are you? ;0)

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    What law did they break??

    Officer just gaining control of thug..

    Samae as mace, stungun, stun them into peaceful compliance.

  • No charges for Calif. officer who kicked suspect (VIDEO of pursuit and kick)

    12/31/2009 5:14:54 AM PST · 93 of 225
    CHICAGOFARMER to seemoAR

    To: dragnet2
    Police are supposed to uphold the law, not break it. I guess there is honor in kicking a man when he is down, but I don’t see it.

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    How frigin dumb are you?

    This fugitive is not a man, he is a dangerous criminal. You endanger my family, and act like a thug you pay.

  • Globule Warning .. Great Charts - easy viewing for the voy illiterate

    12/22/2009 6:29:05 AM PST · 1 of 8
    CHICAGOFARMER
    Note page 10 discussion on electricale energy cost between nuclear and wind and solar.
  • Lord Monckton’s summary of Climategate and its issues

  • Fort Hood Shooting Suspect Awake, Talking

    11/09/2009 7:00:33 PM PST · 87 of 88
    CHICAGOFARMER to Joe Brower

    1) Maybe that NICS data isn’t getting destroyed within 24 hours like the law requires.

    We know it is not being destoryed.

  • A Clean Barrel

    10/31/2009 11:12:24 AM PDT · 25 of 57
    CHICAGOFARMER to 9422WMR

    Yea, this sounds like a newby goofball pontificating about something he knows nothing about.....
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    This is my cleaning routine based on Experience. parallels John stuff.

    40,000 rounds shooting prairie dogs 1/2 inch gorups at 200
    yards.

    There has been much discussion over the subject of cleaning firearms. For those of you who still think you must clean your firearms (especially a rifle) after each and every range session, or after some prescribed round count, then I urge you to please read the excellent article titled “A Clean Barrel” on page 66 of the November issue of the American Rifleman, by John Barsnsess.

    I agree with John on many points. The Black powder era is indeed long gone. We have been shooting smokeless powder for well over a century now. There is no reason to fear that your barrel will rust away if you don’t clean it. Many new shooters who come into the league are under the assumption that they must clean their firearms after every range session. Nothing is further from the truth than this misconception.

    Rifles: My Savage match rifle, chambered in .308 Winchester goes a full shooting season before I clean it. That’s approximately 600+ rounds of Federal Gold Medal match ammunition fired through the bore. The Savage will routinely shoot its best scores between 300 and 450 rounds.

    In 1994, I attended the FBI’s Sniper/Observer School. I used a Springfield Armory Super-Match M1-A rifle and never cleaned it once during the 5-day course. We shot well over 400 rounds during the class and on the final day, I shot a perfect qualification score and placed second overall in the FBI’s shooting drills.

    When I do decide to clean the Savage, I brush the bore several times with a plastic bore brush to loosen any powder fouling. Next, I’ll push a wet patch through the bore followed by a few dry patches to wipe most of the fouling out. Finally, I use this wonderful product called Outer’s Bore Foam. The Bore Foam was created to remove the dreaded copper fouling. I spray the foam in from the breech end until it comes out of the muzzle. I let the foam sit in the bore overnight. The next day I’ll push the foam out with a couple more clean patches. At this point, I’m totally done cleaning the bore. What’s that old Hippie saying? Better Living Through Chemistry.

    I’m also not in the habit of running a slew of patches through a bore until they come out squeaky clean because I’ve personally never seen that happen. There will always be some discoloration left on a patch. Anyway, I’m going to foul up the barrel again fairly soon so I don’t sweat it too much. If you can run a dry patch through a clean rifle bore that comes out without a speck of discoloration on it then you’re definitely a better man than I am.

    Barrel Break-in: As far as the barrel Break-in procedure goes. I’ve done the barrel break-in procedure on a few rifles and I’ve also shot a lot of them right out of the box. I never found any appreciable difference in accuracy to ever waste my time with that process again. Now that may raise the hackles on some of you die-hard riflemen out there but that’s the plain and simple unadulterated facts of life. If you want to do it, have at it!

    A lot of riflemen I know are still futzing around breaking-in their rifles. They are still tweaking this or tweaking that. Three F-class seasons have come and gone and some of them have yet to fire a single round down range. Let’s face it folks, this isn’t a NASA mission. We aren’t sending men to Mars here! I believe the best advice I can give someone like this is to clamp on their scope, bore-sight their rig, and go out to the range and shoot the damned thing already! We can work out the particulars on the firing line. A few minor scope adjustments and an Allen key and you’ll be zeroed for 300 yards in no time flat.

    Pistols: The handguns I use in competition also shoot much better when they’re dirty than when they’re clean. My custom built PPC revolver, my 2 ½” Model 19 revolver, and my Model 52-2 target pistol all go a full season between cleanings. That’s approximately 1,000 rounds per revolver and about 500 rounds for the Model 52-2. Granted, I’ll run a Bore Snake through them once in a while, and wipe off the feed ramp, but I’m not dissembling them during the shooting season unless I absolutely have to.

    My Glock 34 pistol has gone through a couple seasons of Three-gun matches and an STTG pistol course or two without being cleaned and that amounts to roughly 2,000 rounds, give or take a hundred. My AR-15 has also fired several thousand rounds between cleanings without a hitch. John Krupa of Spartan Tactical Training Group couldn’t believe that my AR-15 still worked after he inspected it.

    Over the years, I’ve known several shooters who have done a lot of damage to their firearms by some silly, over-zealous cleaning ritual than by shooting them. I’ve seen the Crowns on several Smith & Wesson revolvers totally ruined by Nimrods who wanted to thoroughly clean their revolvers. Beware of the Aluminum cleaning rod. Use a Brass rod when cleaning a firearm or better yet, purchase a Graphite or Carbon Fiber cleaning rod if possible. The one-piece models are best. There are no sections to unscrew during use. If you’re cleaning a bolt action rifle you should definitely be utilizing a cleaning rod guide while scrubbing your bore.

    Now, I’m nowhere near the best shooter in the league. There are several members who are far better than I, but I do feel my level of ability speaks for itself. I didn’t get to where I am today by constantly cleaning my guns. I got here by sending thousands, upon thousands, upon thousands of rounds downrange. I’m sure if asked most of our top shooters don’t scrub their guns after every range session either.

    If you like to clean guns often then God bless you. You can then come to my home and clean mine if you’d like? I absolutely detest cleaning guns! It’s too much like work. It stinks, it’s messy, and it’s time consuming. I feel my time is much better spent sending a lot of rounds down range, thus trying to become a better shooter than by constantly cleaning my guns.

    One Word of Clarification: These are NOT duty guns we’re talking about here. Duty and Self-defense pistols a completely different animal unto themselves. Duty and Self-defense weapons should always be thoroughly cleaned and inspected after each and every use. Your life or the life of a friend or loved one may depend on it.

    Now these are just my humble opinions. Take it or leave it.

  • Would-be robber shot dead by victim (CCW Holder!)

    10/12/2009 5:24:54 PM PDT · 19 of 26
    CHICAGOFARMER to Red in Blue PA
  • Carrying a gun increases risk of getting shot and killed

    10/07/2009 3:48:58 PM PDT · 12 of 87
    CHICAGOFARMER to genetic homophobe

    these guys would disagree.

    http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com/

  • Chicago's 2nd Amendment Chokehold

    10/07/2009 12:12:26 PM PDT · 19 of 19
    CHICAGOFARMER to neverdem

    Amen

  • Is It Time for Federal Reciprocity of Concealed Carry Permits?

    10/05/2009 3:24:24 PM PDT · 32 of 32
    CHICAGOFARMER to neverdem

    As a young enterpernuer in the state of Michigan, traveling businessmen in the Midwest, a Corporation businessman in the state of Illinois, a businessman in the Middle East and South America, a family man, most importantly a twelfth generation American I will stand in full support of the McDonald vs City of Chicago case to be heard by the United States Supreme Court.

    What will happen when the Chicago gun ban is defeated.

    First, homeowners will be able to defend themselves. He that hath no sword, sell his garment and buy one, Jesus Luke 22:36. Is there any question on this one.
    Do you think allowing properly trained citizens to carry a concealed hand gun would actually reduce crime? Absolutely, CCW permits holders would give the handicap, the elderly, single women, the businessman a distinct advantage against the criminal minded individual. However, this advantage will probably not appear in the crime statistics due to the following fact. According to Jon Lott researcher author, firearms are used 2000 times without ever firing a round. These are never reported or the fear of being arrested therefore the statistics may never show the benefit of the armed citizen in the police statistics. See Gary Smith compilation of DOJ, FBI, facts @ http://www.gunfacts.info

    Currently, millions of American citizens who are licensed CCW permit holders are made to run the minefield of checkerboard ordinances. These honest citizens should not be made criminals, given felony records, had their firearms taken away, just because they crossed an invisible line. I am a duel CCW permit holder and I know my 10 years of interstate travel I have perhaps committed firearms felonies by crossing some invisible boundary. A real example, it occurred to me just 30 days ago in South Dakota on a hunting trip. On my person I had two CCW permits (different states), hunting license from South Dakota, and the Indian Reservation, and had just spoken with a South Dakota State Trooper who said we could carry “anywhere” in South Dakota, except inside churches, schools, and bars. Less than two hours later we were pulled over, by national parks police (we had to cross a two-mile strip of land between the hunting grounds and our motel) for a vehicle inspection crossing over a corner of the park. The officer asked did we have drugs or guns. I informed the officer we had all kinds of drugs (heart medication) and guns and he informed me that concealed carry was not legal on that stretch of road and that all firearms must be in their case. Fortunately he did not carry the conversation further, as I had inadvertently broken a federal law after being informed by North Dakota State trooper to the contrary. It is for this reason and others similar reasons that municipalities “should not” have the right to prohibit concealed carry within their jurisdiction. Because if you allow independent jurisdictions to exist, this will open the flood gates of injustice and mistrust between citizens, law enforcement and community leaders as courts sort through cross an invisible line violations.

    Some of the best “shall issue” states for regulations concerning CCW carry, Texas, Florida, Utah, and Colorado

    CCW permit holders, should be allowed to dine out at restaurants not exceed by state law for vehicle driver intoxication standards , drop off their children at school and school zones, entered churches and synagogues, as these are some of the most honest and responsible people in the United States. CCW permit holders should be allowed store their firearms in their vehicles at work sites.

    In our society there are citizens who oppose CCW echoing loudly that the wild West guns shoot outs will occur in an uncontrollable nature. CCW has been passed in 48 states, starting with just 13 in 1987 and the Wild West scenario has failed to occur. Five million CCW permit holders in the nation have the lowest criminal contact with law enforcement of any group in the nation because they are solid citizens.

    When I travel South (FL) to avoid the winter snow, I must stop on the highway to CCW at the Gary (I-80) Indiana State line. When I returned three months later I must reverse the procedure having CCW carry during the entire trip. I sometimes wonder what would happen a passing motorist saw me put a gun in my holster on the side of the road, as the frantic motorist calls 911 to report a man with a gun. At this point in my trip and being disarmed by the archaic statutes of the state of Illinois does not make me happy, and I am being disarmed in one of the perhaps most crime-ridden communities in the nation, Gary Indiana. People in 48 states trust me to be a responsible citizen, but the people of Illinois want to make me a felon by a state ordinance rather than honoring the Second amendment constitutional right.

    State of Illinois should have the following permit requirements for the following reasons.

    When a CCW citizen is walking down the street, driving in his vehicle, entering a restaurant, grocery store, hardware store, that CCW citizen is taking on a responsibility, and mindset that is different. It is for that reason, Proper training in firearms safety, reason for CCW holsters, situational awareness, the five rules of concealed carry weapon, Illinois rules of CCW, firearms proficiency, legal ramifications drawing the handgun and even firing, what should you do been involved in a shooting police have yet to arrive, procedures for handling encounters with law enforcement officers, and social responsibility. Minimum age requirement, FBI fingerprint check, passing a background check, attending a certified safety class, demonstrating firearms proficiency with a certified trainer would be on my checklist.

    Comments regarding “gun free” zones. As mentioned earlier any CCW permit holder who goes through the rigorous training routines for CCW permits are some of the most honest, trustworthy, and commit less crime than any other group. It is for this reason that there should be very few gun free zones for several logical reasons. First, the safest place for CCW firearm is holster securely attached to the permit holder. To require permit holders to arm and disarm just outside of a gun free zone is inviting accidental discharges, neighborhood paranoia should a CCW permit holder be observed. As mentioned earlier restaurants that serve alcohol, school drop zones, and churches should not be included in gun free zones. The logic and reason incorporating this legal standard is that mass shooters and other parts of the country have always chosen gun free zones to pull off their murderous terrorism. Two women who are CCW permit holders,

    Ms. Jean Assam, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDVBWcBy2g

    and Ms. Suzanne Hupp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f12XrQ6H0Og

    who have survived gun free zones shooting tell their story here. Therefore The legal requirement for gun free zones should be a state designed standard sign that can be displayed by the entity if they so choose. Violation should be a minor monetary fine.

    Eleven years ago I had not handled a firearm in 40 years. Over the last 10 years, I have been become a avid sportsman, and marksman with the long gun. I have been one of the fortunate 100 people in the State of Illinois who trains and competes with federal, state, local, and county law enforcement officers in a Police Pistol League. Members of the club have access some of the best law enforcement firearms training programs in the nation, have increased my proficiency by taking 40 hours advanced pistol, deployment of a rifle or shotgun from a patrol vehicle, breach or entry tactics, room clearing tactics in addition to other classes. It is not necessary to take this type of training the CCW licensed. The reason I mention this is to let you know that my comments are based in fact not of opinion. If I can be of any assistance to you in your endeavor please do not hesitate to contact me.

    Landlord and wife

    http://www.wlky.com/video/16509601/index.html

    See Guy Smith compilation of DOJ, FBI, facts @ http://www.gunfacts.info

  • Chicago 2nd Gun Case McDonal vs. Chicago

    10/03/2009 8:16:55 AM PDT · 1 of 2
    CHICAGOFARMER
    Freedom is never free.

    All help is welcome.

    It is for our right to self defense.

  • 450 Mayors Petition Obama To Adopt Broad Gun Reform

    10/02/2009 10:24:20 PM PDT · 76 of 86
    CHICAGOFARMER to 2ndDivisionVet

    NRA-ILA :: Three Indiana Mayors Defect from National Gun Control ...

    Sep 25, 2009 ... 50 mayors nationally have resigned from the coalition. ... Bloomberg created “Mayors Against Illegal Guns” as a front group to lobby ... Your Help Is Needed In Support of BATFE Reform Bills S. 941 And H.R. 2296 ...

  • PRESS RELEASE: SUPREME COURT TO HEAR McDONALD CASE(2nd Amendment)

    10/01/2009 8:25:47 AM PDT · 8 of 9
    CHICAGOFARMER to Right_Handed_Writer

    A woman is also one of the plantiffs, who is my friend.

  • PRESS RELEASE: SUPREME COURT TO HEAR McDONALD CASE(2nd Amendment)

    10/01/2009 5:49:32 AM PDT · 4 of 9
    CHICAGOFARMER to marktwain

    What will happen when the Chicago gun ban is defeated.

    First, homeowners will be able to defend themselves. He that hath no sword, sell his garment and buy one, Jesus Luke 22:36. Is there any question on this one.

    Do you think allowing properly trained citizens to carry a concealed hand gun would actually reduce crime? Absolutely, CCW permits holders would give the handicap, the elderly, single women, the businessman a distinct advantage against the criminal minded individual. However, this advantage will probably not appear in the crime statistics due to the following fact. According to Jon Lott researcher author, firearms are used 2000 times without ever firing a round. These are never reported or the fear of being arrested therefore the statistics may never show the benefit of the armed citizen in the police statistics. See Gary Smith compilation of DOJ, FBI, facts @ www.gunfacts.info

    Currently, millions of American citizens who are licensed CCW permit holders are made to run the minefield of checkerboard ordinances. These honest citizens should not be made criminals, given felony records, had their firearms taken away, just because they crossed an invisible line. I am a duel CCW permit holder and I know my 10 years of interstate travel I have perhaps committed firearms felonies by crossing some invisible boundary. A real example, it occurred to me just 30 days ago in South Dakota on a hunting trip. On my person I had two CCW permits (different states), hunting license from South Dakota, and the Indian Reservation, and had just spoken with a South Dakota State Trooper who said we could carry “anywhere” in South Dakota, except inside churches, schools, and bars. Less than two hours later we were pulled over, by national parks police (we had to cross a two-mile strip of land between the hunting grounds and our motel) for a vehicle inspection crossing over a corner of the park. The officer asked did we have drugs or guns. I informed the officer we had all kinds of drugs (heart medication) and guns and he informed me that concealed carry was not legal on that stretch of road and that all firearms must be in their case. Fortunately he did not carry the conversation further, as I had inadvertently broken a federal law after being informed by North Dakota State trooper to the contrary. It is for this reason and others similar reasons that municipalities “should not” have the right to prohibit concealed carry within their jurisdiction. Because if you allow independent jurisdictions to exist, this will open the flood gates of injustice and mistrust between citizens, law enforcement and community leaders as courts sort through cross an invisible line violations.

    Some of the best “shall issue” states for regulations concerning CCW carry, Texas, Florida, Utah, and Colorado

    CCW permit holders, should be allowed to dine out at restaurants not exceed by state law for vehicle driver intoxication standards , drop off their children at school and school zones, entered churches and synagogues, as these are some of the most honest and responsible people in the United States. CCW permit holders should be allowed store their firearms in their vehicles at work sites.
    In our society there are citizens who oppose CCW echoing loudly that the wild West guns shoot outs will occur in an uncontrollable nature. CCW has been passed in 48 states, starting with just 13 in 1987 and the Wild West scenario has failed to occur. Five million CCW permit holders in the nation have the lowest criminal contact with law enforcement of any group in the nation because they are solid citizens.

    When I travel South (FL) to avoid the winter snow, I must stop on the highway to CCW at the Gary (I-80) Indiana State line. When I returned three months later I must reverse the procedure having CCW carry during the entire trip. I sometimes wonder what would happen a passing motorist saw me put a gun in my holster on the side of the road, as the frantic motorist calls 911 to report a man with a gun. At this point in my trip and being disarmed by the archaic statutes of the state of Illinois does not make me happy, and I am being disarmed in one of the perhaps most crime-ridden communities in the nation, Gary Indiana. People in 48 states trust me to be a responsible citizen, but the people of Illinois want to make me a felon by a state ordinance rather than honoring the Second amendment constitutional right.

    State of Illinois should have the following permit requirements for the following reasons.
    When a CCW citizen is walking down the street, driving in his vehicle, entering a restaurant, grocery store, hardware store, that CCW citizen is taking on a responsibility, and mindset that is different. It is for that reason, Proper training in firearms safety, reason for CCW holsters, situational awareness, the five rules of concealed carry weapon, Illinois rules of CCW, firearms proficiency, legal ramifications drawing the handgun and even firing, what should you do been involved in a shooting police have yet to arrive, procedures for handling encounters with law enforcement officers, and social responsibility. Minimum age requirement, FBI fingerprint check, passing a background check, attending a certified safety class, demonstrating firearms proficiency with a certified trainer would be on my checklist.

    Comments regarding “gun free” zones. As mentioned earlier any CCW permit holder who goes through the rigorous training routines for CCW permits are some of the most honest, trustworthy, and commit less crime than any other group. It is for this reason that there should be very few gun free zones for several logical reasons. First, the safest place for CCW firearm is holster securely attached to the permit holder. To require permit holders to arm and disarm just outside of a gun free zone is inviting accidental discharges, neighborhood paranoia should a CCW permit holder be observed. As mentioned earlier restaurants that serve alcohol, school drop zones, and churches should not be included in gun free zones. The logic and reason incorporating this legal standard is that mass shooters and other parts of the country have always chosen gun free zones to pull off their murderous terrorism. Two women who are CCW permit holders,
    Ms. Jean Assam, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqDVBWcBy2g
    and Ms. Suzanne Hupp, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f12XrQ6H0Og
    who have survived gun free zones shooting tell their story here. Therefore The legal requirement for gun free zones should be a state designed standard sign that can be displayed by the entity if they so choose. Violation should be a minor monetary fine.

    Eleven years ago I had not handled a firearm in 30 years. Over the last 10 years, I have been become a avid sportsman, and marksman with the long gun. I have been one of the fortunate 100 people in the State of Illinois who trains and competes with federal, state, local, and county law enforcement officers in a Police Pistol League. Members of the club have access some of the best law enforcement firearms training programs in the nation, have increased my proficiency by taking 40 hours advanced pistol, deployment of a rifle or shotgun from a patrol vehicle, breach or entry tactics, room clearing tactics in addition to other classes. It is not necessary to take this type of training the CCW licensed.

    Landlord and wife http://www.wlky.com/video/16509601/index.html

  • Andy Williams Inverts Rush Limbaugh: Barack Obama 'Wants the Country to Fail'

    09/29/2009 8:26:10 AM PDT · 9 of 46
    CHICAGOFARMER to Sub-Driver

    Barack Obama ‘Wants the Country to Fail’

    SHOULD READ

    Barack Obama ‘Wants the Capitalism to Fail and Socialism to suceed’

  • Shock Discovery: Community Organizers Pray to President-Elect Obama [BARF! BARF! BARF!]

    09/29/2009 7:47:36 AM PDT · 11 of 341
    CHICAGOFARMER to rabscuttle385

    hey your barf barf comment sound like you do not believe it? the story header.

  • United States Arms Rights Enthusiasts Are Cutting Edge of American Freedom Movement

    09/27/2009 7:02:37 PM PDT · 15 of 15
    CHICAGOFARMER to marktwain

    2009 GUN RIGHTS POLICY CONFERENCE
    THIS WEEKEND IN ST. LOUIS, MO

    More than 700 gun rights activists from across the country will gather with the nation’s leading Second Amendment advocates this weekend at the Airport Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis, MO for the 24th annual Gun Rights Policy Conference.

    Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, is scheduled to deliver a special address Saturday morning. In addition, former Georgia Congressman Bob Barr, the 2008 Libertarian Party presidential candidate, will keynote Saturday’s awards luncheon.

    Hosted by the Second Amendment Foundation (SAF) and Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms (CCRKBA), this annual conference provides an opportunity for firearms owners to meet and discuss important issues pending at the local and national levels. Speakers will include CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb, SAF President Joseph Tartaro, plus attorney Alan Gura, winner of the landmark Second Amendment Heller case; Charles Cunningham, director of federal affairs, NRA Institute for Legislative Action; Tim Oliver, vice president, Missouri Concealed Carry; Kansas State Sen. Phillip Journey, Tennessee State Sen. Doug Jackson; Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association; Jake McGuigan, director of governmental affairs for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, and many others.

    The conference is supported by NRA, the National Shooting Sports Foundation and other groups and individuals.

    Attendance is free. Additional information is available at: www.saf.org.

    Posted Wed Sep 23 09:12:50 CDT 2009

  • THE CARTER CENTER (you can leave a friendly message or send an email)

    09/17/2009 3:27:41 PM PDT · 7 of 15
    CHICAGOFARMER to doug from upland

    http://www.cartercenter.org/about/contact.html

    Contact Information: The Carter Center

    Hours of Operation: Monday through Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.

    Mailing Address: The Carter Center One Copenhill 453 Freedom Parkway Atlanta, GA 30307

    Phone: (404) 420-5100 or (800) 550-3560

    E-mail: carterweb@emory.edu

  • Kenyan consulate in LA served subpoena for O's BC? Blog from Orly Facebook

    09/14/2009 3:25:32 PM PDT · 15 of 18
    CHICAGOFARMER to cycle of discernment

    Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report
    “The Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii
    In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an “original birth certificate” on record.
    BC1. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).

    BC2. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail. There appears to have been no requirement for the parent to actually physically appear before “the local registrar of the district.”
    It would have been very easy for a relative to forge an absent parent’s signature to a form and mail it in.
    In addition, if a claim was made that “neither parent of the newborn child whose birth is unattended as above provided is able to prepare a birth certificate, the local registrar shall secure the necessary information from any person having knowledge of the birth and prepare and file the certificate.” (Section 57-8&9)
    .... there is and was no requirement for a physician or midwife to witness, state or report that the baby was born in Hawaii.

    BC3. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a “Delayed Certificate” could be filed, which required that “a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing or the alteration [of a file] shall be endorsed on the certificates”, which “evidence shall be kept in a special permanent file.”
    The statute provided that “the probative value of a ‘delayed’ or ‘altered’ certificate shall be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence.” (See Section 57- 9, 18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).”

    BC4. If a child is born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult (including the subject person [i.e. the birth child as an adult]) if the Office of the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year.
    (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961.)
    In 1955 the “secretary of the Territory” was in charge of this procedure. In 1960 it was transferred to the Office of the Lieutenant Governor (“the lieutenant governor, or his secretary, or such other person as he may designate or appoint from his office” §338-41 [in 1961]).

    In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fifth kind of “original birth certificate”. Under Act 182 H.B. NO. 3016-82, “Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.”
    In this way “state policies and procedures” accommodate even “children born out of State” (this is the actual language of Act 182) with an “original birth certificate on record.”