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  • Depression at DU

    10/03/2012 8:57:24 PM PDT · 20 of 48
    chinche to wolficatZ

    I’ve heard it said that the power-worshiping lewinsky press used to be worth 10 to 15 percentage points for whom the lewinskies were toadying. But that was then.

    Today, the lewinsky press is decaying, its power deflating and the lickspittles are hysterical.

    And Drudge is worth at least a few points.

  • France - Le Pen: Auschwitz didn't have gas chambers

    04/26/2008 6:48:22 PM PDT · 48 of 84
    chinche to justiceseeker93
    Le Pen is too idiotic to realize that the purpose of the IG Farben factory at Auschwitz was to manufacture the lethal Zyklon B gas that was used strictly for the purpose of mass killing.

    I think you are absolutely wrong on this. There are many, many false stories about the Germans' labor and death camps, contra and pro national socialism. To understand really what went on, one should step back from a focus on gas chambers and consider that Auschwitz was a slave labor complex (synthetic fuels, rubber, some armaments, etc.). The complex was centered around Auschwitz-Birkenau and Auschwitz-Monowitz. The place was Utilitarian, in the most evil sense of the term. People were "sorted." Those who could not produce, were eliminated. Diet and disease-suppression were designed "optimally" to manage the input-output of the system. Labor was balanced by costs of nutrition and disease prevention.

    The raw human material shoveled into the system came from non-citizen classes - Jews in Nazi occupied areas automatically fell into this group, but others did too, including "criminals." But the main objective of the system was not to kill Jews specifically, nor to kill anyone simply for the purpose of killing. That would have been a waste of resources. The point was to use human beings as industrial raw material. Culling the herd was indeed part of the program, but by focusing on the killing part this actually reduces the horror of what went on.

    It is as if we are drawn to the gas chambers because it perversely comforts us. If what the Nazis did would have been irrational, non-human pure evil, we could say that it is not at all like us. We want Hitler to be Satan, his works outside of our comprehension, none of his works to be the logical extension of what we do in our every day lives.

    On Auschwitz specifically and the "final solution" more generally, I highly recommend Richard Rubenstein's The Cunning of History.

  • Obama would do 'everything' to help Israel defend itself

    04/16/2008 7:35:56 PM PDT · 17 of 50
    chinche to Aussie Dasher

    This is a piece to set quickly the narrative. But poor BO was a loser. On the Israel question he was weak as water. On the other hand, Hilly said she would retaliate against any country that would attack (or her implication use nukes on) Israel. He wobbled. She quickly laid out the conventional US policy - to her credit - and then went on to blather. But she did signal her absolute support of Israel as a US president, but quickly went off to broader topics to avoid much attention from the revwright-DU faction.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:53:05 PM PDT · 930 of 1,168
    chinche to Williams

    BO to supers: I am a GOD. Do I bore you?

    Answer from the supers: What did you say?

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:48:57 PM PDT · 892 of 1,168
    chinche to exit82

    Both Stephie and Charlie have aske tough questions, given their prejudice. And now a quesiton about superdelegates - and hilly is blah, blahing. Too bad.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:30:01 PM PDT · 720 of 1,168
    chinche to unkus

    And now BO is talking about zoning laws and gun traditions. Lordy, he’s clueless.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:26:07 PM PDT · 688 of 1,168
    chinche to urabus

    “sort of” tax pledge - with these folks I wouldn’t hold my breath for two seconds. But she did it, so she can wave it around.

    Now guns!

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:22:05 PM PDT · 664 of 1,168
    chinche to FreedBird

    There is a sort of tax pledge from this debate. That might help Hilly in the long run. I am pleased with ABC that they are taking this line.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:17:20 PM PDT · 624 of 1,168
    chinche to acw011

    Charlie is hot tonight. Taxes are the central theme.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:10:49 PM PDT · 568 of 1,168
    chinche to doug from upland

    Holy smoke, Charlie is doing Rush’s job.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:02:26 PM PDT · 498 of 1,168
    chinche to seoul62

    Oh God! An attack on Isreal is unacceptable, blah, blah, blah! Hilly says it right - massive retaliation!

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 6:00:10 PM PDT · 478 of 1,168
    chinche to mylife

    “Once I have provided ...” He is playing into hilly’s hand regarding maturity. And then Stephie doubles down re experience.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:57:09 PM PDT · 449 of 1,168
    chinche to McGruff

    Charlie’s question is surprisingly on point. ABC?

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:54:18 PM PDT · 425 of 1,168
    chinche to purpleraine

    Good question re pulling out of Iraq. ABC is doing a (relatively) good job.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:49:34 PM PDT · 382 of 1,168
    chinche to exit82

    Hilly just picked up a couple of percentage points by graciously allowing this mess go into commercials.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:46:22 PM PDT · 353 of 1,168
    chinche to chinche

    Pardons! Ooo, ooo, ooo!

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:44:55 PM PDT · 336 of 1,168
    chinche to McGruff

    Georgie boy is a hillshill, but God bless him.

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:42:22 PM PDT · 306 of 1,168
    chinche to Crawdad

    Ayers!

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:39:59 PM PDT · 277 of 1,168
    chinche to Shermy

    neter collapses with flag question. bunch of BO supporters twirling dials

  • Philadelphia, 4-16-08 - THE DEMOCRAT DEBATE THREAD LIVE DISCUSSION

    04/16/2008 5:32:33 PM PDT · 209 of 1,168
    chinche to mylife

    He has confidence in the American People. Stephie asks if BO has disowned Rev.Wrong? No, says BO, the rev’s remarks. WEAK.

  • Climate change will impact beer production: scientist

    04/08/2008 12:00:13 PM PDT · 17 of 58
    chinche to kingattax
    New Zealand and Australian brewer Lion Nathan's corporate affairs director Liz Read said climate change already was forcing up the price of malted barley, sugar, aluminium and sugar (sic).

    This is such BS, or maybe a joke. April fools? Just in case it is not intended to be funny, I would like to see a reference to any serious research that shows this. Anyway, rapid economic growth has been driving up prices of commodities. And aluminium prices linked to climate change? Silly.

  • The Atlantic's Matt Yglesias and Ross Douthat on the Absolut vodka ad

    04/07/2008 1:46:43 PM PDT · 21 of 37
    chinche to lonewacko_dot_com

    How about something similar, Absolut Mid East - without Israel? Or Absolut 54-40 - where the US takes British Columbia? Absolut Christendom - where there are no Islamic Republics, and Mecca is renamed New Palm Springs? Absolut Germany - where Prussia is where it used to be? In an Absolut World, Cuba would have two senators in DC, and Uruguay would still be Brazilian.

  • CNN: Will Rudy Be ‘Swiftboated’?

    11/22/2007 4:50:50 PM PST · 68 of 71
    chinche to tear gas

    re. rudy coward: can you back up your rant with facts?

  • Suspicious Package on D.C. Metro to be 'Detonated', Three Red Line Stations Closed

    08/08/2007 3:25:52 PM PDT · 23 of 31
    chinche to kristinn
    Record breaking temperatures of 102 degrees in D.C. promise to make this a rush hour to remember, even if the package turns out to just be a package.

    What record?

  • AlGore - Natural CO2 is heavier than man-made CO2. Is this true?

    03/25/2007 7:29:21 AM PDT · 298 of 320
    chinche to beebuster2000
    Denser CO2 than what would come from a forest fire, a volcano, etc.?
  • Statistical Analysis Debunks Climate Change Naysayers

    03/20/2007 4:52:03 AM PDT · 29 of 59
    chinche to ricks_place
    I kneejerk into professor mode: “These arguments are moot,” says Peter Tsigaris, an economist at Thompson Rivers University, in Kamloops, BC.

    That is, given the body of evidence we have now, further arguments over the evidence for or against the claims will only marginally affect the decision rule regarding doing something about the problem. And so…

    He continues: “The important question is the cost of these opinions being wrong relative to the cost of the IPCC report being wrong in its assessment.” In a thought-provoking statistical analysis, Tsigaris has concluded that whether or not climate change can be wholly attributed to human factors, it makes strong business and environmental sense to take action and mitigate the effects of global warming beyond taking measures to adopt.

    That is, the (present value) costs (in terms of future outcomes) of not doing something to stop man-made climate change are so enormous that even, if the probability is very small of an occurrence, they outweigh the costs today of avoiding the outcome.

    So first, Tsigaris is assuming away possibility that the IPCC evidence is sufficiently solid so that arguments over it will yield no change in the probabilities. This is the crux of the debate, of course, and the second point about relative costs are simply an admonition that we should stampede quickly to a solution now, before we all die.

    Someone yells fire in a crowded theatre. There could be a fire, they happen after all. A person yelling fire randomly will be correct with some small probability because a real fire being random would have to occur, with positive finite probability, at the same time as someone yelling fire. The costs of not getting people out of the theatre are enormous, the costs of a stampede are one or two persons trampled to death. Therefore, we should not discourage yelling fire.

    Yelling fire is akin to “global cooling – let’s spend money on collectivism to save the seed corn,” or “the Club of Rome says that all natural resources are being used up – let’s spend money on collectivism and regulating commerce,” or “AIDS – a quarter of the world’s population is going to die unless we fund more research and give kids condoms,” or “nuclear winter – give up your armaments, western fools, or the world will wither without sunlight for hundreds of years” or “the population bomb,” or “that giant sucking sound will mean the end of the US economy,” or “think of the costs war that would result from defending Czechoslovakia,” or “Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming – run, run, run for your lives.” Soon – we will have calls to spend vast amounts avoiding the small probability of a catastrophic asteroid strike. Then something else, until finally some catastrophe does happen, which will probably be unanticipated anyway (my bet: volcano belch), and then we have to wait a thousand years to get back to worrying about man’s carbon footprint.

    Catastrophe mongers have been yelling fire since humans were numerous enough to stampede. The good professor forgets that instead of one catastrophic alternative hypothesis – that, if the null is rejected, would require spending money and forgoing future benefits – we have hundreds of them, each calling for spending money. Appropriate tests for such things are, conceptually at least, available, but I have ranted long enough.

  • U.N. gets climate plan: mobilize, triple research dollars, set 'ceiling' on temperatures

    02/28/2007 4:51:27 AM PST · 26 of 34
    chinche to auboy
    On the global-warming contributions of livestock: Remember the stories of giant herds of buffalo thundering across the Great Plains? They were huge, methane-spewing beasts of climate-change terror. Killing them off must have delayed the onset of global warming for decades. Good thing.
  • U.N. gets climate plan: mobilize, triple research dollars, set 'ceiling' on temperatures

    02/28/2007 4:02:42 AM PST · 19 of 34
    chinche to NormsRevenge
    Nuke plants, anyone? Of course not!

    the experts panel urged governments to immediately ban all new coal-fired power plants except those designed for eventual retrofitting of sequestration technology

    Hmmm....China? Eventual? This is BS.

    Here's a proposal that the anit-globalist would like: put a carbon import tax on everything coming into the US, based on the additional transport carbon costs over the transport carbon used by shipping within the US. Shipping wine from France, say: Wine is favored water in a glass bottle - and think of the carbon used by getting it shipped from Bordeaux to Kansas City! Much less carbon in California wine! Carbon tax imported wines!

    And Italian pasta and olive oil - good Lord the carbon burned just to have a fancy label! Eat Domestic pasta and splash domestic olive oil for the good of the planet!

    And cheese - every bite of imported brie and sip of Finnish vodka, every sniff of cognac, every drop of Highland single malt scotches - think of the carbon footprints just getting those savory foreign delights!

    Buy American to fight climate change!

  • Piano ‘genius’ is branded a fake

    02/17/2007 3:44:32 PM PST · 33 of 54
    chinche to aculeus

    Who immediately do I think of?

    Dan Rather

  • Great Andean glacier 'will melt to nothing by 2012'

    02/16/2007 1:58:35 PM PST · 57 of 61
    chinche to Abathar

    It is an unusually cold day where I am now. Snow in the foothills surrounding the city. Nothing strange to you in the North, but in Santiago Chile! It is suppose to be like a California August. Go to www.emol.com and see a photo of folks in the snow in the hills. What have we done to Gaia to offend her?

  • Stick Ethanol in the Museum of Unintended Consequences

    02/03/2007 5:02:49 AM PST · 19 of 39
    chinche to Ninian Dryhope
    To low-income Mexican families the price increases are far from trivial. The posted article is simply retelling what in the Spanish language press is a commonly noted problem: world corn prices rise as the demand for corn in the United States increases due to dubious ethanol subsidies. See, for example,

    http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/mexicanos/pobres/quedan/tortillas/elpepuint/20070117elpepiint_15/Tes

    Los mexicanos más pobres se quedan sin tortillas: El aumento de precio del maíz importado de EE UU, que se ha disparado un 150%, amenaza con provocar un estallido social

    Los mexicanos más pobres no dan crédito a lo que ven. Apenas un mes y medio después de la toma de posesión de Felipe Calderón, el presidente que prometió en su primer discurso emplearse a fondo en la lucha contra la pobreza, se ha disparado el precio de las tortillas de maíz, elemento básico de la dieta popular. Las protestas se han hecho sentir en diversos puntos del país, el tema acapara la atención de los medios informativos y está en boca de todos. El kilo de tortillas, cuyo precio habitual no supera los 7 pesos (0,50 euros), ha llegado a 18 pesos en el Estado de Baja California.

    Los dueños de las tortillerías (hay unas 70.000 en todo el país) y de los molinos de nixtamal, donde se muele el maíz para convertirlo en masa con la cual se elaboran las tortillas, juran que no tienen la culpa del aumento de precios. Son los intermediarios, acusan. El año pasado les vendían la tonelada de maíz a 1.400 pesos, y hace unas semanas a 2.200. Hoy no baja de 3.500 pesos la tonelada, es decir, un aumento del 150%.

  • Why Women Are Abandoning Men

    01/22/2007 3:28:01 PM PST · 23 of 48
    chinche to IsraelBeach

    Certainly: It takes two to stop the tango.

    Romance is a recent thing - men, oh what we endure for procreation and raising children.

    I often think of the subtle, devious anti-romantic dig in a supposedly romantic song:

    Moonlight and love songs
    Never out of date,
    Hearts full of passion,
    Jealousy and hate
    Woman needs man,
    And man must have his mate (ahem, cough, cough)
    But no one can deny.

    It's still the same old story
    A fight for love and glory
    A case of do or die
    The world will always welcome lovers
    As time goes by . . .

  • Senior TV Network Newsies Think Hillary's Announcement Huge Mistake.

    01/20/2007 2:37:14 PM PST · 4 of 189
    chinche to MindBender26

    Mistakes?

    Or, method in her madness?

  • Chilean trawler rescues U.S. sailor

  • Denver temperatures in December 1.39ºC higher than average (up to Dec. 26th)

    12/31/2006 9:53:57 AM PST · 3 of 101
    chinche to jeanpaulsartre77

    Meterologists? Tell me, does snow = cloud cover = higher temperatures.

  • 10 Million Fewer Girls Born in India

    12/30/2006 7:17:20 PM PST · 21 of 77
    chinche to pinkpanther111

    Are these people upset that more females are aborted than males? Well then, the solution is obvious - abort more males. Their problem is not that girls are being aborted, the problem is the discrimination. Abort everyone equally, or none at all? Ah, the culture of Death and sterility - you get what you pay for.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 4:41:02 PM PST · 125 of 139
    chinche to RightCenter

    Everything in particular is an anecdote. I could say that your doubt regarding my evidence is but an anecdote. But...of course, your doubt is reasonable. If you want a reading list, that is possible, but for now - and for what is going on right now - I would refer you to the sources at www.emol.com, www.lyd.cl, www.latercera.com, www.josepinera.com .

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 3:47:41 PM PST · 123 of 139
    chinche to wideawake
    From 1980 on, there was civilian rule.

    No, there was definitely rule of law, and even before, even of a messy sort from the 12th of September 1973. Civilian rule was not truly returned until 1990. But what is I think your basic point is correct, from 1980 the rigid mechanisms of constitutional government were established and functioned in a manner with which gringos are accustomed.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 3:32:22 PM PST · 122 of 139
    chinche to RightCenter

    What sources do I rely on? Maybe I know things, read the local papers, have friends. Read, read, read, listen, listen, listen, and always doubt.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 12:28:40 PM PST · 108 of 139
    chinche to wideawake
    While it is possible that innocent people were executed in Pinochet's Chile, it certainly isn't proven.

    The DINA did turn repressive - that seems to be clear. It did kill people, and in during so was acting against Chilean state interests, and against the junta’s interests. The junta did not stop it, for a number of reasons linked to the military nature of the government. But ultimately, I think, the violations of rights during the junta were of an organized crime sort. Love of money is the root of all evil, so the Bible says, and many of the evils that occurred during military rule can be traced to just that. Vargas Llosa claims - or he did - that the Pinochet regime was just another Latin American kleptocracy. I think that is exaggerated to the point of being wrong, but his basic point is correct. Pinochet, even while moving toward a limited government and individual freedoms and strong property rights, allowed a mafia thuggishness to fester in certain parts of the government, the DINA in particular. If it were simple corruption, that would have been bad enough, but is was corruption by people with the state's apparatus of secrecy. Did Pinochet knowingly approve of this? That is the big emotional question. I would guess that the junta had an military's bureaucratic instinct to give orders, expect results, and ignore what it did not want to think about. These guys were not subtle politicians. Knowingly or not, the DINA did turn rogue and vicious. To his credit, when the DINA's mafia-like behavior became known, Pinochet cut it off, and Manuel Contreras was left without official protection. Contreras went to prison, with Pinochet's blessing. One can be cynical about Pinochet's actions. I am somewhat cynical. This DINA question is one that does stain the otherwise pro-freedom transformation that went on during the junta.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 11:39:35 AM PST · 107 of 139
    chinche to Non-Sequitur
    It also outlawed political parties, gave the president the power to close congress, and was designed to keep Pinochet in power.

    Please do not rely on Wikipedia-type sources for everything. The constitution of 1980 was designed to be a document reconstituting the state. It was designed to slow sudden political changes - checks and balances all over. Within it were the rules for the transition from military government, including the plebiscite of 1988 and civilian elections. The proposed constitution was resoundingly accepted. These are facts. When you say that it was designed to keep Pinochet in power, you are in part correct: it was designed to allow military government for eight years, with the possibility of renewal of mandate for another period, if the popular will agreed. The popular will accepted the constitution, but did not agree to renewal of the mandate. The transition went along as set out in the constitution. Case closed.

    With respect to allowing the president - any civilian president - the power to close congress: First, you are wrong - the authority was granted a president to end the session of the House of Deputies. The senate, no. This item was introduced due to the belief that the historically weak Chilean executive compared to a radicalized legislature was thought to have been one of the causes of political instability in the country. (I am not entirely convinced of that interpretation, but many think so.) And you might want to note that this item was not a particularly important point when the junta was in charge. It was meant to secure future presidential authority in case of a sitting legislature disturbing the peace, but it did not allow for permanent suspension of the legislature.

    Of course, once Pinochet was out it was amended what, nine times? Ten times? I understand that's removed a lot of the excesses.

    Wikipedia (or whenever you're getting your information) does not mention what those excesses were, do they? One "excess" was to allow "institutional senators" - non-popularly elected senators that would represent the political concerns of the courts, armed forces, ex-presidents, etc. Institutional senators essentially acted as a brake on any radical change - requiring a super-majority to do things. This was extremely conservative, in the old sense. Was that an excess? No, but maybe it was bad law. But it's mute point because this rule was amended according to the processes stipulated in the constitution itself. The other "excesses" were similarly conservative - and the amendments have essentially been made to grant political authorities quicker turn-around time.

    When you say "once Pinochet was out" - it is not that he was overthrown by popular revolution. He was voted out. He left. Funny that.

    She's also a socialist. Y'all casting about for another Pinochet to save you again?

    That comment displays more ignorance than I can attempt correct at the moment. Let's simply note that while Bachelet is a member of the Socialist party, she did wear black today. And she seems quite content - happy even - to direct without much difficulty one of the most free-market governments in the world.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 8:05:31 AM PST · 99 of 139
    chinche to Non-Sequitur
    Pinochet ruled by decree

    What was the Constitution of 1980?

    disbanded political opposition

    Who organized the “no” vote for the plebiscite of 1988?

    killed opponents or forced them into exile or had them jailed without trial

    Evidently not enough of them. Arguments regarding this claim are just what is in dispute in Chile itself. You do not know the Chilean case.

    was not accountable to either a legislature or a judiciary

    Hmmm. It was a military government, after all. The nature of the beast is not to be an elected civilian government. But even so there was an active judiciary, there was rule of law within the constituted government, there was accountability of a popular sort and open, political disagreements sorted out by the balance of many factions within and without the government. The plebiscite of 1980 was an official act of accountability to the popular will, as was the plebiscite of 1988.

    Chile had a strong democratic tradition prior to Pinochet

    Not all that strong at all. And what caused the golpe was in fact a disintegration of the rule of law under Allende, and a final breakdown of civil order. The House of Deputies finally called on the Armed Forces to do their duty, long after the people in the streets had started doing so. But the encroachment of state power on civil society had been growing destabilizing even before Allende – who got about a third of the votes in the election – was installed as president by vote of congress (an extremely interesting story that).

    You don't suppose the fact that her father was arrested by Pinochet's regime and died in custody, and that she and her mother were arrested, allegedly tortured, and forced into exile had something to do with that decision, do you?

    Frankly, no. Bachelet is perhaps a little dense and stubborn sometimes. Her political decisions occasionally reflect her limited imagination – and by limited I do not mean to suggest that she is stupid (she is certainly not), but compared to her Machiavellian predecessor, Ricardo Lagos, she is refreshingly dull. She is straightforward and projects obvious decency. She is partisan, but not indecently so. She says that her decision is for the best of the country – we had violent “celebrations” yesterday – and that Pinochet was under a cloud of legal accusations. She says that a state funeral would not be the correct thing to do, and I have no reason to doubt that she is being sincere.

    Finally a note on where your impression of Chile might be coming from: Many partisan leftists were and continue to be threatened by the Chilean transformation during the military government. And so – not feeling that the truth is sufficiently horrible to discredit that transformation – have turned to embellishing the facts, making up stories, and generally misrepresenting history. If Chile were to have come out of the period as an economic mess, with institutionalized state authoritarianism, Pinochet would have been forgotten long ago. On the contrary, Chile emerged economically dynamic and accustomed to limited government and economic freedom and entrepreneurship. That Pinochet continued controversial and that the battle over who gets to write Chilean history has gone on so long is testament to the public-relations threat that the Chilean case presented to the world view of statists. It was not all soviet-style disinformation, although some of that contributed, but also simply people believing in stories, ignoring conflicting stories, and repeating and adding to stories that fit their hopes in the correctness of their political positions. Stories that have made it through this cognitive selection filter became conventional wisdom among the rich-country chattering classes and accepted as the facts, and to the casual observed apparently denatured of ideological content. I strongly suggest to you that much of what you think you know about Chilean history comes from this conventional wisdom. It is not wholly wrong, but presents a picture far from the truth.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 6:43:03 AM PST · 95 of 139
    chinche to Non-Sequitur
    A tyrant is a tyrant is a tyrant, and a police state is an abomination no matter who is running it.

    With regard to Pinochet and the Chilean military government, you should establish that Pinochet was a tyrant and that Chile was a police state. But then you would first have to define your terms tyrant and police state in such a way that they are meaningful, that they allow comparisons with other governments and other periods, and that they are not merely evocative and emotional verbal bludgeons. If any military government is a tyranny and police state, then tyranny is trivially defined. It would also lead you toward all sorts of absurdities when applied to real historical situations. Second, in order to test whether or not Pinochet was a tyrant and Chile was a police state you would have to have the facts as they applied to the period of military government in Chile. You frankly have shown little grasp of the historical facts. I invite you to google Cato Institute’s Jose Piñera or the Chilean libertarian think-tank Libertad y Desarrollo, for example, for a few clues.

    By the way, I am now watching UC Canal 13 in Santiago. There is a long line of people waiting to view Pinochet’s earthly remains in the chapel at the Escuela Militar. Consequently traffic is a mess on Vespucio. The present executive, Presidenta Bachelet, has decided not to give Pinochet a state funeral, but the funeral will take on aspects of one anyway. There has been some violent “celebrations” – with the usual suspects causing problems – but overall things are running smoothly.

  • White House commends Chile for surviving 'difficult period' of Pinochet reign

    12/11/2006 4:42:57 AM PST · 91 of 139
    chinche to indcons
    What little good he did in vanquishing Allende's brand of communism was counterbalanced by his 26-year long tyrannical rule when thousands of innocents were killed for merely opposing his one-man dictatorship.

    I know that I'm probably wasting my time, you really do not know what went on, but let's try some facts:

    Golpe de estado: 11 septiembre 1973. Resounding yes vote in plebiscite supporting new constitution: 11 septiembre 1980. Resounding no vote in plebiscite on continuing Pinochet presidency, transition to civilian representative government begins: 5 octubre 1988. Patricio Aylwin elected President of the Republic: 14 diciembre 1989. Patricio Aylwin inaugurated: 11 marzo 1990.

    That looks like about sixteen and a half years.

    The claim that during his “tyrannical rule thousands of innocents were killed for merely opposing his one-man dictatorship,” is simply false, and in many ways. First, the junta was not a one-man dictatorship. Second thousands were not killed for merely opposing the dictatorship (one-man or junta). Third, thousands of innocents were not killed for whatever reason. Fourth, the rule was not “tyrannical,” except if you define tyrannical so broadly as to trivialize the adjective into nonsense. Fifth, the period when “thousands” were “killed” was during and immediately after the golpe, during a short and bloody civil war. Sixth, this whole black legend of Pinochet has been hashed out so many times in Chile that anyone who wishes to investigate it in good faith can do so.

    Now before you jump to the erroneous conclusion that I idolize Pinochet or wish to whitewash the military period of all criticisms, I shall simply say that you would be incorrect if you were to think so.

  • Gen. Pinochet, 91, fighting for life (suffered heart attack, last rites given)

    12/03/2006 6:17:08 PM PST · 118 of 171
    chinche to WestVirginiaRebel
    I'm ashamed we supported this thug. Good riddance. Another politically correct piece of nonsense.
  • Gen. Pinochet, 91, fighting for life (suffered heart attack, last rites given)

    12/03/2006 6:15:06 PM PST · 117 of 171
    chinche to blitzgig
    I credit Milton Friedman, not Pinochet, for making Chile free. Wrong, MF was not involved.
  • Gen. Pinochet, 91, fighting for life (suffered heart attack, last rites given)

    12/03/2006 6:13:04 PM PST · 116 of 171
    chinche to PhillyRepublican

    You must believe the NYT.

  • Richards' outburst reveals 'pathetic moral state' of nation

    11/25/2006 6:44:23 AM PST · 55 of 110
    chinche to JohnHuang2

    What a title!

    In a country of three-hundred millions, where each one can find some form of livelihood, even if only parasitical, where every act of every one can be communicated rapidly with only a marginal amount of effort - well, hell, you can always find an example of any general statement you want to make.

    The only constraint is that the general statement is consistent with physical laws - but I'm not sure if that's really a constraint anymore.

  • Chilean Indians take on Microsoft

    11/24/2006 6:30:54 AM PST · 25 of 28
    chinche to MadIvan
    This has been going on for a while, but taking the thing to court is from two weeks ago. From El Mercurio of 13 November:

    Mapuches se oponen a Windows: Comunidades indígenas presentaron un recurso de protección para detener el empleo del idioma mapuzungun en Windows, que fue lanzado recientemente. Representantes del Consejo de Todas las Tierras y la Red Indígena Popular señalaron que no fueron considerados en la creación del programa y que Microsoft "sólo pretende lucrar" con la cultura indígena.

    The average Chilean doesn't pay much attention to this type of BS, but those who do know that these whiners are just con artist using lefty blah-blah to whip up support among usually poor and vulnerable people and, of course, among comfortable lefty-wannabes in Santiago. So in doing something "nice" Microsoft gave these leeches a sick opportunity to get their names in the paper. Gates probably doesn't give a fig about the judicial outcome, except to prevent absurd precedents, but it would be a shame to let the whiners get away with this nonsense.

  • Chinese have most Money on Planet

    11/23/2006 4:45:56 AM PST · 33 of 178
    chinche to Brian Allen

    As someone said, China will get old before it gets rich.

    Sell 'em health care and leisure activities.