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  • Why I am No Longer a Dispensationalist

    05/22/2015 6:42:38 PM PDT · 30 of 84
    Cvengr to OK Sun

    mark

  • Can Christians Lose Their Salvation?

    05/22/2015 10:15:49 AM PDT · 305 of 310
    Cvengr to SeekAndFind

    Many who debate the issue if one can lose their salvation, fail to study the mechanics of salvation and the role of each member of the Godhead in that salvation.

    Reformed theology well studied the issue and developed the doctrines known as Common Grace and Efficacious Grace.

    The anthropology of humans also assists in this doctrine.

    God made man in body, soul, and spirit. After the fall, man died spiritually and now requires regeneration of the human spirit for eternal life. Today, no human being is born with a human spirit. It is created by God the Father and implanted by God the Holy Spirit as His gift to us when we have something which justifies us for righteousness.

    Without a righteous human spirit, anything we do is qualified as a dead work. It might be good works or evil, but nevertheless fails to qualify as a work living in God’s Plan. Accordingly, they won’t be recorded in the Book of Works as they fail to qualify in Holiness as having Perfect Righteousness and Perfect Justice.

    In God’s Plan, every human is afforded an opportunity for eternal life. Since we are all unbelievers before we bcome believers, every unbeliever has 2 decisions to make which are non-meritorious, before a human spirit is regenerated by God for them to receive sonship into His Family.

    1) The decision to listen to the Gospel.
    2) The decision to accept the call of God by faith alone in Christ alone.

    Both of these decisions made independently of God, will fail to exhibit faith in what only God can provide.

    As unbelievers, we can’t understand things of God because they are spiritually discerned. Without a human spirit, we not only don’t understand the spiritual thing, but will lapse into soulish interpretation of the spiritual thing, which means we will even think it foolishness (because we lack the spiritual faculty to discern spiritual things).

    God’s solution comes in Common Grace and then at the right time, Efficiacious Grace.

    In Common Grace, God the Holy Spirit becomes our human spirit imparting a spiritual knowledge of the Gospel in our soul. As unbelievers, we have a decision point to either accept to listen to this spiritual understanding imparted to our souls or we can respond with negative volition and reject the spiritual knowledge given our souls in Common Grace.

    After receiving the Gospel message and understanding it, at some point God the Father makes the Divine Call to the unbeliever. This call is per God the Father’s Plan in time and place. It is by His Volition, not ours. He is Spirit, and a Living God. Without a human spirit, we still lack the ability to discern such things, so He Provides God the Holy Spirit again. This Provision is called Efficacious Grace. In Efficacious Grace, the unbeliever who now understands the Gospel, receives the Divine Call and if he accepts the work of God the Son on the Cross as payment for all his personal sins, he exhibits faith alone in Christ alone on the Cross, convicted of our sin, His Righteousness, and the Judgment by the spiritual life of God the Holy Spirit and that simple faith in Him is made Efficacious for eternal life.

    God the Father is free in His Perfect Integrity to create us a new man, a human spirit, which is then given to us by God the Holy Spirit. These are the mechanics of salvation.

    We are then identified with the Son of God, as all our sins were imputed to Him on the Cross, His Perfect righteousness is now imputed to us, at the point of faith alone in Christ alone. ANYTHING added to that faith voids that faith for its efficacy in our salvation. This is because our faith is His work in us, and His work is received as good.

    The more I understand Common Grace and Efficacious Grace, the more obvious that salvation is fully the work and gift of God alone.

    When one studies sin and worldliness, is also becomes obvious that we hae become very scarred in our souls to worldly solutions to problems.

    One such worldly system appeals to our membership in groups as a panacea for our fellowship with God. He also provides a body of believers, i.e. the Church, but one needs to be careful of substituting a counterfeit for what He provides.

    A particular weakness in many arrogant “Christians” are those who are tempted to study the Bible academically, but who fail to exercise faith and simply receive Common and Efficacious Grace, prior to joining a manmade religious club, they identify as the Church.

    Accordingly, there might be many who we consider to be believers, who have never tasted the Spirit, but instead interpret Scripture from a soulish perspective independent of the spiritual understanding, and become either legalists or antinomians.

    If they then turn obvious unbelievers, they might not ever had received the Divine Call.

    Heb 6:1-6 also indicates when an believer receives the Divine Call, accepts it, receives the human spirit, and things of the Holy Spirit, then falls away, it is not proper for another Divine Call to arise as that would re-crucify Christ. This does NOT mean the apostate believer loses their human spirit. It means the believer must return to God with what He has been given already, to return to fellowship by faith alone in Christ alone.

  • Can Christians Lose Their Salvation?

    05/22/2015 8:38:42 AM PDT · 303 of 310
    Cvengr to imardmd1
    God could have saved Uriah out of battle had He so chosen, and He did not. Why was that, eh?

    For every cursing there is a blessing through faith in His Providence.

    Undeserved suffering is a common testing.

    Consider Uriah. His record is now recorded in His Word as a testimony to all mankind of such an unjust predicament. He obviously will receive a crown in heaven for his perseverance.

    It isn't lost on those surrounding the situation of David's sinfulness. When David invited Uriah to his home for dinner and encouraged him to spend the night with his wife, Uriah was dutiful and conscientious enough to assert he couldn't do such a thing as his brethren were still in the fight and he had to return to the front.

    Later, when the battle was lost, and the Commanding General of the Israeli Army reported to David, the report addressed extremely obvious tactical blunders on the part of the Army's commanders.

    (one such report was that valiant Israeli soldiers had been lost in battle when the old women poured boiling oil on the Israeli soldiers from atop the enemy walls. Obviously, the attack had failed to suppress the wall defenses before committing infantry into the assault. Such a blunder should have resulted in the immediate relief of those commanders for incompetence in battle command.

    Instead, at the end of the report, the commander mentions that,, "Oh by the way, that Uriah fellow you sent down to us was killed in the same situation, (wink, wink...)".

    A valuable lesson is to be found here. Even a believer who happens to fall out of fellowship by willful sinning, now becomes a target of other corrupt people who will attempt to further tempt and manipulate legitimate authority into corruption.

    The Commander could read human character and immediately perceived something was afoot between David and Uriah, when he had been dispatched to the front. That commander just as picayunishly implied the murderous deed had been performed, in hope of a debt owed from his King for services rendered, even if they were criminal. Such is a worldly system of power, independent of God.

    So David not only committed adultery with Bathsheeba, he also tried to conceal his sin by inviting Uriah back so any offspring would be confused as actually being Uriah's, but that plan failed due to Uriah's integrity. He then attempted to use Uriah's integrity as his weakness, by placing him in a position of likely failure. When observed by his fellow junior commanders, they perceived the corruption afoot, and attempted to aid and abet David's corruption by not only obeying his orders, but when they failed in battle, they sought to use Uriah's death as justification of their incompetence and failure.

    Just as a man may commit adultery by how he looks at a woman, one may also be guilty of the sin of murder in our thinking. Not only was Did guilty of such a plot, he exercised action resulting in that death, so it also was premeditated and conspiratorial.

    David was guilty of murder, adultery, and probably a litany of other sins associated with that incident.

    The original issue is if we can lose salvation.

    In order to properly understand the answer, one has to understand the vocabulary and doctrines of the terms used in the question.

    You have a good grasp of many basic doctrines. I've found the question is more easily answered by studies of Common grace and Efficacious grace in their roles in our initial salvation and regeneration of our human spirit. Once created, that new man is eternal.

    Nobody is ever condemned to the Lake of Fire for their personal sins. Those who fall out of fellowship don't "get away with something" by having already been saved. God has known every sin we would ever commit prior to salvation, when they were imputed upon Jesus Christ on the Cross and all Judged once and for all time.

    The mere notion one can lose such a salvation stems from an unfaithful soulish anticipation of God's fiery indignation to sin and directing it at the sinner. THAT unfaithful thought arises because of original sin, where we now all have the knowledge of good and evil and are now tempted to substitute good and evil for our relationship with God in spirit by faith alone in Christ alone.

    Those who doubt we can retain salvation are more prone to falling out of fellowship than criminal sinners, because they scar their souls into substituting their personal works for His work in us.

  • Can Christians Lose Their Salvation?

    05/18/2015 4:20:22 AM PDT · 108 of 310
    Cvengr to Skooz

    OSAS is true.

    Nor after OSAS can you throw it away, since there was nothing you did to earn your salvation, there is nothing you can do to lose your salvation.

    People do confuse how common and efficacious grace works.

    Compare Matt 16:17(Election), Jn 16:8-11 / 1Cor 2:11(Common Grace) with Heb 6:4-6(The call of the Father); Rom 8:13-18 (Holy Spirit communicating to our human spirit).

    Common grace is a work of God the Holy Spirit with every unbeliever prior to hearing or believing the Gospel.

    Once understood and accepted, Efficacious grace provides salvation and the OSAS principle is established.

    There may be those who receive common grace, but not yet efficacious grace, who fall away, remaining unbelievers. They will still receive common grace until they die.

  • Extreme Athlete Dean Potter Dies in BASE Jumping Accident

    05/18/2015 3:40:42 AM PDT · 45 of 58
    Cvengr to bikerman

    He must have jumped from the pinnacle, instead of the base. /s

  • Student Who Got In to Eight Ivy League Schools Picks Alabama Instead

    05/18/2015 3:36:15 AM PDT · 47 of 64
    Cvengr to nickcarraway

    Not to mention he probably had to take out a loan to pay all the application fees to that many institutions.

  • Officials reveal TWO Philadelphia-area trains were 'shot at' within minutes of crash

    05/18/2015 3:28:14 AM PDT · 70 of 113
    Cvengr to Greysard

    I’m surprised nobody has hypothesized kids may have placed 2 pennies on the track near the curve, thereby causing the debaucle.

  • The True Church and the Bible

    05/17/2015 1:53:07 AM PDT · 22 of 224
    Cvengr to The_Reader_David

    If the Pope is chosen by God, then why would anybody in that institution condone the last Pope’s actions to voluntarily step down from the position?

    It is errant in 2 cases. First his decision was man centered not God centered and secondly, the replacement to the office accepted the office while the Pope was still alive, thereby assuming his decision out trumped God’s.

    When the RCC backed off on those decisions they also backtracked on the authority of the office. They instinctively know it is simply a man-made institution where they vote in the next pope by religious-political worldly power. It has no authority other than what their institution creates in worldly power.

  • “The Greatest of All Protestant Heresies”?

    05/16/2015 9:13:05 PM PDT · 868 of 909
    Cvengr to xzins
    Jesus does the saving. Not us.

    I understand it is correct to say all three persons of the Godhead are involved in our salvation, but technically it is God the Father who elects and provides the call, and God the Holy Spirit who places the new human spirit in us created by God the Father, which He then indwells during this Church Age, while it is conditioned upon our receiving the common grace of God the Father with positive volition and accept the identity of Jesus Christ the Son, who is the object of our faith.

  • Train was hit by object before derailing: assistant conductor

    05/15/2015 10:00:56 PM PDT · 18 of 19
    Cvengr to conservative98

    So how did the train get up to 100 mph?

  • The Canon of the Bible

    05/15/2015 9:58:51 PM PDT · 53 of 110
    Cvengr to philly-d-kidder

    Yes, but it is false to suggest God needs the RCC in order to communicate His Word to believers. It is even more absurd, when considering His Word was already available prior to the Incarnation.

    Additionally, the major distinctions of the RCC from other denominations were established in the 7th century, which prompted the Reformation.

    Just because the Church some 300 years earlier had expressed their confirmation of the Canon or Scripture, doesn’t mean those who lead the worldly institution after Gregory I were also remaining in fellowship. The Reformation suggests otherwise.

  • US Attorney: Boston Marathon Bombing ‘Not a Religious Crime,’ It Was ‘Political’

    05/15/2015 9:51:41 PM PDT · 44 of 57
    Cvengr to artichokegrower

    I wonder if the US Attorney concluded his remarks with “Allahu Ackbar!”

  • Texas Teen Says He Saw Jesus Before Being Revived

    05/15/2015 9:39:37 PM PDT · 31 of 50
    Cvengr to concernedcitizen76

    He attends a school in Brownwood and then flown to Ft Worth. A pretty long haul, isn’t it?

  • I flew a gyrocopter onto the Capitol Lawn to save our democracy

    05/15/2015 9:36:16 PM PDT · 8 of 36
    Cvengr to PROCON

    Not all liars are criminal, but all criminals are liars.

    Criminals who refuse to obey the law, will tend to lie to themselves about their illegitimate behavior. They will justify and rationalize their disobedience to legitimate authority by lies to themselves about their disobedience, and may further degenerate to lie to others about their disobedience.

  • The Canon of the Bible

    05/15/2015 9:26:08 PM PDT · 49 of 110
    Cvengr to philly-d-kidder
    Moses was JEWISH

    ergo not a Roman Catholic nor were the Scriptures He wrote, but they were still Holy Scripture and Moses is still a believer.

  • The Canon of the Bible

    05/15/2015 9:01:13 PM PDT · 41 of 110
    Cvengr to Eccl 10:2

    ergo ....Roman Catholics believe Moses was a Roman Catholic. /s

  • New Braunfels ISD responds to 'FOCUS room' complaint

    05/15/2015 8:57:38 PM PDT · 18 of 41
    Cvengr to Marie
    The site states Alex's mother was taken to that room after she was "denied five times by the vice principle [sic]."

    So we understand they didn't want to do it, but she insisted, ...so they sent her there for 120 minutes! There,...problem solved.

  • New Braunfels ISD responds to 'FOCUS room' complaint

    05/15/2015 8:53:54 PM PDT · 17 of 41
    Cvengr to KarlInOhio

    A situation where the Board of Education should be applied to the seat of knowledge.

  • 'King of the Blues' blues legend B.B. King dead at age 89

    05/15/2015 5:20:15 PM PDT · 81 of 95
    Cvengr to dfwgator
    I think The Smithsonian has dibs.

    That means the Clintons will sell it and collect the service charge.

  • 'King of the Blues' blues legend B.B. King dead at age 89

    05/15/2015 3:23:18 PM PDT · 78 of 95
    Cvengr to dfwgator

    Dibs on Lucille!

  • SPAWAR Goes on Hiring Spree as Many Employees Retire

    05/12/2015 4:08:24 AM PDT · 5 of 5
    Cvengr to nickcarraway

    I thought they were in a hiring freeze, except from within the agency.

  • Archbishop Welby Says His Worst Hate Mail Are From Christians; Points Out Lack of...

    05/11/2015 9:50:17 PM PDT · 12 of 25
    Cvengr to marshmallow

    Dogmatic defense of Bible doctrine doesn’t imply a secure toleration of antichristian doctrine. Anything less is cowardice.

  • Baltimore Pastor Complains Economy So Bad Rioters Only Found One Chain Store to Burn

    05/11/2015 7:18:47 PM PDT · 53 of 74
    Cvengr to governsleastgovernsbest

    Empowerment Temple Ministries,....???

  • ISIS Hackers Plan "Message to America" Attack Today (Cyber attack 2PM EST)

    05/11/2015 10:54:30 AM PDT · 106 of 159
    Cvengr to caww

    Thank goodness it will be a surprise attack.

  • Sorry, "Left Behind" Fans, "The Rapture" Is Not in the Bible

    05/11/2015 3:37:31 AM PDT · 292 of 361
    Cvengr to MHGinTN

    Ask a few questions.

    God always provides a place for us to worship Him.

    Where is that Temple today?

    What will have to happen to change that location?

    Why is the Mark of the Beast so forewarned a couple of millennia prior to the event?

    What causes His return when even the Holocaust didn’t spark the second coming?

  • Sorry, "Left Behind" Fans, "The Rapture" Is Not in the Bible

    05/11/2015 3:27:13 AM PDT · 289 of 361
    Cvengr to editor-surveyor

    You have your god mixed up.

    The Great Tribulation begins at the signing of a Covenant between the AntiChrist and Israel. It is a Divine Discipline upon Israel. The Church, His body, His bride, is removed out of the way prior to the Great Tribulation which is caused by God, not by Satan. Those undergoing the Great Tribulation, even as unbelievers, will know it is caused by God and will curse Him, even when they know He controls their future.

    The millenial reign occurs after His Second Coming and there will be a thousand years of ‘cleaning-up’ the mess of sin in the world, even after it had been conquered. People will still sin in the Millinnium, but He will rule with a rod of iron.

    Today we are in the Age of Grace.

  • The Ark of the Covenant

    05/10/2015 8:23:27 PM PDT · 23 of 82
    Cvengr to RnMomof7

    A couple of other facets glimmer in this gem.

    The 2 Cherubim facing each other represent God’s Holiness, which is comprised of His Perfect Justice facing His Perfect Righteousness.

    Whenever something unrighteous is placed on the Seat, Perfect Righteousness demand Perfect Judgment and visa versa, whenever something unjust is placed on the seat, Perfect Judgment demands Perfect Righteousness.

    The 3 items contained in the Arc, the pot of manna, Aaron’s rod that budded, and the tablets of the Covenant, all represent sin or rebellion from God.

    The pot of manna represented God’s Providence and the sin of Man in attempting to store more than allowed or in doubting His Providence initially.

    Aaron’s Rod that budded represents God’s legitimate authority, which had been rejected by the Hebrew nation, then used to show His Authority in selection of their rulers.

    The broken tablets of the Covenant represented the rebellion of Man to His Law, which He had provided to Moses on the mountain.

    All of these are covered by the Mercy Seat, upon which the Blood of the Sacrifice was given for Atonement annually.

    The wood represents the humanity of Christ; the Gold represents His Diety.

    The Ark represents God’s solution to the sin of humanity, which is Jesus Christ, who is the ONLY solution.

  • How viable would a pipeline waterway from the wet areas to the dry areas be?

    05/10/2015 8:01:15 PM PDT · 64 of 127
    Cvengr to Sherman Logan

    Modern waterworks plan for about 200gal/capita day, although tactical infantry operations might plan for 5 gal/manday.

    Roman aqueducts serving Rome also provided about 200gal/capita day or about 1 cubic meter of water per person/day.

  • More secular confusion about the moon’s former magnetic field

    05/10/2015 2:30:55 AM PDT · 53 of 57
    Cvengr to Boogieman
    Why do most snakes not have legs?

    God was practicing before he made Hawaiians.

  • The Identity of the Woman Clothed in the Sun...Revelation 12 pt 3

    05/09/2015 7:08:06 PM PDT · 5 of 25
    Cvengr to pastorbillrandles

    bttt

  • Don’t forget how the Soviet Union saved the world from Hitler

    05/09/2015 2:01:55 AM PDT · 88 of 132
    Cvengr to MinorityRepublican

    They helped us so much that they refused to allow us to land aircraft on Soviet soil in order for us to bomb Japan after the German front had been won. /s

  • Soledad O’Brien lectures ‘naive’ journalists ‘thug’ is the new ‘n-word’ – you can’t use it

    05/05/2015 12:08:38 AM PDT · 6 of 58
    Cvengr to Impala64ssa

    Thug / thugee

    Used quite a bit in reference to gangsters in the 20s and 30s, which were typically northeastern white immigrants.

    Also derived from India / Pakistan.

    African-American ‘community-organizers’ have relatively recently been identified with the descriptor.

  • Incredible Eye Witness Testimonial Lying On Camera ...

    05/05/2015 12:03:10 AM PDT · 81 of 93
    Cvengr to Benito Cereno

    Poor choice of words on my part.

    My meaning was that a second hand testimony is not worth as much as an eyewitness testimony.

    I didn’t mean worthless, when I wrote it was worth less(than the eyewitness testimony).

    FWIW, I have also noticed an almost masonic-like cliche dismissing eyewitness testimony amongst those who promote corruption. IMHO, such dismissal is a contagion which needs to be squelched.

    Perhaps corraboration / confirmation by a second witness might be a better response to dismissal of eyewitness testimony.

  • Incredible Eye Witness Testimonial Lying On Camera ...

    05/04/2015 7:42:41 PM PDT · 78 of 93
    Cvengr to Benito Cereno

    I’m sorry, but your testimony obviously is worth less.

  • Incredible Eye Witness Testimonial Lying On Camera ...

    05/04/2015 3:59:48 PM PDT · 47 of 93
    Cvengr to colorado tanker

    Eye witness testimony is extremely credible, but only after 2 witnesses may the charges be admitted in the Old Testament.

    Of course, the penalty for a false witness was the same penalty as the false witness, so the number of murder charges were substantially lower than today.

  • Ten-engine electric plane prototype takes off [NASA]

    05/04/2015 7:34:57 AM PDT · 11 of 37
    Cvengr to SES1066

    If it flies, why is it being lifted by a crane?

  • Peter and the Papacy

    05/04/2015 4:06:03 AM PDT · 339 of 835
    Cvengr to Mrs. Don-o

    Matt 15:19 uses the Dative

  • Peter and the Papacy

    05/04/2015 3:49:11 AM PDT · 338 of 835
    Cvengr to Mrs. Don-o
    λέγει αὐτοῖς, Ὑμεῖς δὲ τίνα με λέγετε εἶναι;

    Mat 16:15

    (15) He saithG3004 unto them,G846 ButG1161 whomG5101 sayG3004 yeG5210 that IG3165 am?G1511

    G5210

    ὑμείς humeis hoo-mice' Irregular plural of G4771; you (as subject of verb): - ye (yourselves), you.

  • Peter and the Papacy

    05/04/2015 3:48:09 AM PDT · 337 of 835
    Cvengr to Mrs. Don-o
    λέγει αὐτοῖς, Ὑμεῖς δὲ τίνα με λέγετε εἶναι; Mat 16:15 (15) He saithG3004 unto them,G846 ButG1161 whomG5101 sayG3004 yeG5210 that IG3165 am?G1511 G5210 ὑμείς humeis hoo-mice' Irregular plural of G4771; you (as subject of verb): - ye (yourselves), you.
  • Peter and the Papacy

    05/04/2015 3:44:03 AM PDT · 336 of 835
    Cvengr to Elsie

    Outstanding description.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    05/03/2015 1:30:23 AM PDT · 18 of 38
    Cvengr to LurkingSince'98

    My apologies.

    I thought you were responding to this post:
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3283994/posts?page=964#964

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    05/03/2015 1:08:16 AM PDT · 17 of 38
    Cvengr to LurkingSince'98
    What you think about Catholics means nothing to Catholics.

    Good. It's not what I think that matters. It is what God Provides us by His Word that matters, which is why I witness the passages in Matthew and Mark.

  • FREDDY GRAY’S ARREST RECORD: Here’s The Rap Sheet Of The Dude They’re Destroying Baltimore Over

    05/02/2015 6:10:13 PM PDT · 82 of 82
    Cvengr to Starstruck

    I have yet to find a full report from initial call to final death of how Freddy got to be where he was. I have seen a reported adult arrest record, which is more than I have ever been subject to receive.

  • Was The Papacy Established By Christ? (Part 2)

    05/02/2015 6:04:43 PM PDT · 14 of 38
    Cvengr to RnMomof7

    The more RCCs I meet, whom I had no idea of their faith, the more convinced I have become that they really have no basic faith in Christ, but they very much hate those who simply believe in Him.

  • The Anti Christ - Seven Year Reign or Forty Two Month Reign?

    05/02/2015 5:55:17 PM PDT · 23 of 35
    Cvengr to odawg

    Things to Come,...not historical.

  • Rand Paul is right — toppling Saddam hurt America

    05/02/2015 5:47:39 PM PDT · 58 of 162
    Cvengr to HiTech RedNeck

    The father is ethical, although it implies some kooky positions. The son will forego ethical decisions for politically acceptable positions without wherewithal.

  • Rand Paul is right — toppling Saddam hurt America

    05/02/2015 5:36:41 PM PDT · 48 of 162
    Cvengr to 2ndDivisionVet

    I never knew Rand Paul was the son of Ron Paul.

    While I disagreed with the later, I respected him.

    I now have very little respect for his son.

  • Are you infallible?

    05/02/2015 5:23:39 PM PDT · 964 of 1,574
    Cvengr to Regal
    History, tradition, structure, numbers, a direct connection to the Lord Jesus through the first pope, Peter upon which the Lord built his church.....

    Our Lord didn't build the Church upon Peter. He built it upon that which God the Father provided. Reread Matt

    Mat 16:17-19 (17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

    Now compare this to what happens when Peter begins to rebuke Christ. Same event recorded in Mark:

    Mar 8:29-33 (29) And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. (30) And he charged them that they should tell no man of him. (31) And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. (32) And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. (33) But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

    Note what is happening here. Christ isn't building His Church upon Satan, but upon that which is provided by God the Father. While a believer remains in fellowship, the Church grows through faith in Christ. When distracted from glorifying Christ, we lapse into our knowledge of good and evil, resulting is our volition shifting its focus from Christ to anything but Him and we no longer are performing the Plan of God.

  • A Biblical Interpretation of World History

    05/02/2015 3:48:39 AM PDT · 10 of 12
    Cvengr to SunkenCiv

    bttt

  • How the Baltimore Mayor's office explains her infamous 'space to destroy' remark

    04/27/2015 10:28:40 PM PDT · 85 of 92
    Cvengr to E. Pluribus Unum

    Too bad they are too racist to read and study the writings of those old white men who wrote tomes about freedom, authority, rights, and how to maintain them since the 1500s.

    Nothing wrong with the right of free speech, but when they encroach upon the life, liberty, property, and freedom of others, they will have their freedom immediately removed.

    That attenuates the situation.