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  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/27/2014 7:06:43 AM PST · 3,288 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to verga

    Oh come now. Jesus is only secondary to Mary in the Catholic Church.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/27/2014 6:21:01 AM PST · 3,286 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to verga; metmom
    >>Prots must attack those things they fear and are not capable of understanding. They are exactly like liberals that way.<<

    If you think correcting what the Catholic Church teaches with the truth from scripture is fear you had better think again. It can more truthfully be said that Catholics fear what is written in scripture.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/27/2014 6:11:57 AM PST · 3,285 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to LadyDoc; Elsie
    >>Dogmas date into the time of the early church, and a lot of discussion went on as they worked out how to express what the church faithful believed.<<

    No, they don't all date back to the "time of the early church". It has been shown here often that early church fathers did NOT believe much of what the Catholic Church teaches today.

    >>most Catholics learn about how God loves us and expects us to live by stories, not from quotations taken out of context.<<

    The core beliefs of the Catholic Church are based on "quotations taken out of context" and corrupted interpretations.

    >>Interpreting the bible for dogma without a PhD in Greek, history, and how the early church fathers taught<<

    "This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." [A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church (Oxford: Parker, 1845), "The Catechetical Lectures of S. Cyril" Lecture 4.17.]

    Regarding the things I say, I should supply even the proofs, so I will not seem to rely on my own opinions, but rather, prove them with Scripture, so that the matter will remain certain and steadfast. [John Chrysostom, Homily 8 On Repentance and the Church, p. 118, vol. 96 TFOTC.]

    What is the mark of a faithful soul? To be in these dispositions of full acceptance on the authority of the words of Scripture, not venturing to reject anything nor making additions. For, if ‘all that is not of faith is sin’ as the Apostle says, and ‘faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the Word of God,’ everything outside Holy Scripture, not being of faith, is sin. [Basil, The Morals, p. 204, vol 9 TFOTC]

    >>is sort of like the thinking of some people who eschew mainstream medicine<<

    An example being the veterans administration? Or maybe like don't eat eggs,,,,,no wait eggs are good, or don't drink coffee,,,,,oh wait,,,,,coffee is good,,,,,. The Catholic Church is just like "mainstream medicine" in that what used to be good has been corrupted. The Catholic Church has incorporated paganism which was strictly prohibited by God and has not only corrupted what God says in scripture but has added beliefs that God abhors. Put your trust in the Catholic Church if you want but God's word is not according to God's word and placing your eternal destiny in that institution will not lead to a happy ending.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 6:12:44 PM PST · 3,265 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to redleghunter
    >>Why is Jesus Christ so small in that painting?<<

    It's what Satan wants the world to see. That and the image of Christ still dead on the cross.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 6:11:17 PM PST · 3,264 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to boatbums
    >>Maybe all those people prior to 1950 are still in Purgatory? ;o)<<

    They must have come up with some sort of "mystical" explanation.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 6:09:53 PM PST · 3,263 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to boatbums
    >>What better example of elitist cultic garbage is there?<<

    It is after all one of the universally accepted signs of a cult. That and the one leader on earth.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 5:06:57 PM PST · 3,260 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to af_vet_1981; boatbums; annalex
    >>Sola fide is specifically rejected by the Apostle James.<<

    No it is not. See post 3245 for just one of the examples of Catholics having been shown.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 5:02:57 PM PST · 3,259 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to af_vet_1981; daniel1212; boatbums; metmom; redleghunter; EagleOne
    >>The LORD Jesus Christ promised us a church against which the gates of hell would not prevail.<<

    Which can in no way be the corrupted conglomerate that is the Catholic Church. The ekklesia that is spoken of in scripture and which Christ is the head of has no resemblance to the cultic organization that today calls itself the Roman Catholic Church.

    >>Will you name an alternative church to the Catholic Church ?<<

    There is no such word as "church" in the New Testament nor is there the concept that the Roman Catholic Church has constructed that it calls "church". The organization that Catholics refer to as the "church" is nothing more than a pagan religion built on corruption off and additions to the word of God. There can be no legitimate alternative to the "Catholic Church" as the very idea is contrary to God's word.

    >>Wherefore my judgment is one must offer an actual alternative.<<

    The only true ekklesia of God are those who have been "called out" by God to be the body of Christ. Their allegiance and trust is in Christ alone through faith alone.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 9:25:46 AM PST · 3,247 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; xone; metmom; boatbums; redleghunter; EagleOne
    >>But finally, one who knowingly and willingly resist any dogma of the Church to the end cannot be saved, no.<<

    So you and the Catholic Church think that The Dogma of the Assumption of Mary must be believed in order to be saved? Yet that was not made a dogma until 1950! So no one was saved until 1950 per the Catholic Church? The apostles didn't even teach what must be believed (according to the Catholic Church) to be saved? That's an astounding belief! To think that for hundreds of years no one was saved.

    Even the Catholic Church says it was not believed for hundreds of years. It says:

    "The doctrine of the Assumption was one that developed over time. It was not something new but rather the logical result of what was already known (Mary’s Immaculate Conception). Since corruption in the grave was the result of sin (Genesis 2:17) it was only logical to think that someone without sin would not suffer such a fate." [http://www.staycatholic.com/ecf_assumption.htm]

    A "logical result"? "it was only logical"? Here's another statement.

    "If therefore it might come to pass by the power of your grace, it has appeared right to us your servants that, as you, having overcome death, do reign in glory, so you should raise up the body of your Mother and take her with you, rejoicing, into heaven. Then said the Savior [Jesus]: "Be it done according to your will" (The Passing of the Virgin 16:2-17 [A.D. 300]).

    "it has appeared right to us"? Not until 300AD and then only because "it has appeared right to us"? No teaching by the apostles. No mention of it untill 300AD! But then because "it has appeared right to us"? Now it's a dogma that people have to believe to be saved?

    So tell me, who was saved prior to 1950? Or was it 300AD? When did people begin to be saved?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 8:29:05 AM PST · 3,245 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; boatbums; aMorePerfectUnion
    Let's look at that passage you posted directly from the Greek.

    James 2:21-22 Abraham the father of us not by works was justified having offered Isaac the son of him upon the alter you see that his faith was working with the works of him and by his works his faith was completed.

    Not by works was justified but only that his faith was completed. Isn't that interesting. The Holy Spirit had the apostles write not by works but the Catholic Church changes it to "by works" making it look like the works is what justified.

    The Catholic Church is an evil and corrupt religion.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 8:10:39 AM PST · 3,242 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; Elsie; metmom; boatbums
    >>A good way to avoid unproductive arguments is indeed to keep them rooted in written materials of the Church, and especially canonical scripture.<<

    Why do you change what scripture says?

    1 Corinthians 4:6 And these things, brethren, I did transfer to myself and to Apollos because of you, that in us ye may learn not to think above that which hath been written, that ye may not be puffed up one for one against the other,

    No where in that verse does it say "written materials of the Church". It says "which hath been written". The Catholic Church doesn't go by what "hath been written". Once again, corrupting what the Holy Spirit says in scripture.

    >>Indeed, the Holy Scripture is written to teach us.<<

    Roman Catholics surely haven't learned.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 7:55:15 AM PST · 3,239 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; WVKayaker; metmom; ealgeone; redleghunter; Elsie; daniel1212; Mark17
    >>you may become a saint as well when you die.<<

    Why do you deny what the Holy Spirit says in scripture?

    Acts 9:13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

    Living in Jerusalem! NOT dead.

    Acts 9:32 Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda.

    Livingt in Lydda!! NOT dead.

    Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests; and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against them.

    Must have been living to have been put in prison!

    Philippians 4:21 Salute every saint in Christ Jesus. The brethren which are with me greet you.

    Greeting LIVING saints!

    Ephesians 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    More LIVING saints!!

    1 Corinthians 1:2 to the assembly of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called saints, with all those calling upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ in every place -- both theirs and ours:

    CALLED SAINTS!!!!

    In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In scripture, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Catholicism the hierarchy in Rome denies what scripture says. In scripture, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone. The Roman Catholic Church has corrupted what the Holy Spirit through scripture teaches.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 7:27:19 AM PST · 3,235 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to ealgeone; annalex; redleghunter; metmom; daniel1212; roamer_1; boatbums
    >>I'll pray to Christ when the storms come.<<

    Those who put their trust in Mary are going to be sorely disappointed one day. While they give secondary lip service to Jesus it's obvious that Mary takes center stage and primary importance to them.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/26/2014 6:50:32 AM PST · 3,232 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; redleghunter; EagleOne; metmom; daniel1212; roamer_1
    >>Observe: that is what the rule looks like: You decide what the rule is on earth and Christ binds and looses according to that rule in heaven.<<

    I know that's what the Catholic Church thinks and teaches but it's not what the Holy Spirit had written in scripture. What the Holy Spirit had written in scripture shows that the apostles were only to bind whatever already existed in heaven eternally. Jesus was commanding them to bind only what existed from eternity as truth. The Catholic Church changed the word that means "I am" into "will be".

    No where in scripture are the apostles or anyone else given the authority to determine what is bound in heaven. They were told to declare what has been bound in heaven for eternity.

    I will say that only those who God is calling to be His will actually study and understand that.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 4:36:09 PM PST · 3,208 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to terycarl
    >>I'm quite certain that they took good care of her..<<

    You're quite certain ey? So none of the writers of the time even thought it important enough to write one word but you are "quite certain". Amazing!

    >>possibly she lived with one of them or they looked after her some other way..<<

    Possibly!!! Possibly??? A major tenant of faith for Catholics and you rely on "possibly"?

    >>The fact that no Bible entries were made concerning her is totally meaningless....<<

    Bible entries? How about NOTHING from any source whatsoever about her. Christ comes back to earth with all of the apostles there but there is no information at all from any source is "meaningless"? That simply defies reason or logic.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 11:07:30 AM PST · 3,179 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins
    >>You know there’s nothing in the bible that says virgins getting pregnant and having Sons of God is the same as Ishtar worship.<<

    Jeremiah 7:18 The children gather wood, and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead their dough, to make cakes to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto other gods, that they may provoke me to anger.

    Who was that "queen of heaven"?

    Jeremiah 44:17 But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done,

    Who was that "queen of heaven"?

    Ezekiel 8:13 And He said to me, "Yet you will see still greater abominations which they are committing." 14 Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the LORD, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz.

    Who was Tammuz the son of?

    If you don't know the answers to those questions how do you know what to avoid that God called "abominations"? "Bunk" you say?

  • For Advent: Wedding at Cana, Garden in Eden

    12/24/2014 10:30:18 AM PST · 130 of 154
    CynicalBear to defconw; HiTech RedNeck
    >>Merry Christmas, is NOT in the Bible! Holler!<<

    Interesting that Catholics vociferously proclaim Sola Scriptura false because it's not in scripture isn't it?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 10:11:41 AM PST · 3,176 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to redleghunter

    And we will keep posting the in context that those new lurkers may see the truth.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 10:05:43 AM PST · 3,175 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex
    >>yet his faith and his works counted for righteousness<<

    No it doesn't. James 2:22 only says that his faith was completed as in "brought to fruition". It does NOT say his works counted for righteousness. It was his faith that counted for righteousness. His works only showed his faith.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 9:33:34 AM PST · 3,170 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins

    You go right ahead and keep defending the concept. I’m going to take a hint from the Holy Spirit who inspired scripture who never once called her the mother of God and I’m thinking that was for a reason. God had much to say about the “queen of heaven” concept and none of it good.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 9:09:30 AM PST · 3,167 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to terycarl

    See! I told you Catholics don’t believe it.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 9:08:24 AM PST · 3,166 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to terycarl; WVKayaker
    >>isn't it absolutely amazing that the Holy Spirit influenced and guided the Catholic church for one thousand six hundred years<<

    The Holy Spirit would never ever guide a church to incorporate paganism as the Catholic Church has.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 8:58:37 AM PST · 3,164 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to terycarl
    >>so, if I love my Father a lot, I don't have enough love left over for my Mother.<<

    Again, "man's wisdom" types of examples are really lame. Do you express love to your children or father the same way that you do your spouse? The love your spouse deserves is the same as the love you give your father or mother? God says "do not give my glory to another".

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 8:45:10 AM PST · 3,163 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex
    >>The woman is identified as the mother of "a man child, who was to rule all nations with an iron rod: and her son was taken up to God, and to his throne" (Rev 12:5) Later, that son is also named; his name is Christ (Rev. 12:10,17).<<

    Nice try but that doesn't work for you. First of all it was a sign that appeared in heaven NOT a woman. Look at the first verse.

    Revelation 12:1 A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head.

    Now, if you insist that is actually Mary let's look at the next verse.

    Revelation 12:2 She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth.

    If the woman is Mary is she also at that point in pain about to give birth?

    Or do you say that the sign only represents Mary? If that is the case are you prepared to prove that Mary was in Egypt for exactly three and one half years with Jesus hiding from Herod? Are you also prepared to defend that Zion in the following passage is also Mary?

    Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a male. 8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children. 9 Shall I bring to the birth, and not cause to bring forth? saith the LORD: shall I cause to bring forth, and shut the womb? saith thy God. 10 Be glad for Jerusalem and rejoice over her, all who love her. Rejoice greatly with her, all who mourn over her--

    There you see that it is clear that Zion gives birth to a male child. A male child!! Where do we see that prophesy fulfilled later in scripture?

    Revelation 12:5 She gave birth to a male child, one who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron, but her child was caught up to God and to his throne,

    Well there it is!! Now, please show that Zion is actually Mary. Also show how scripture never speaks of anyone other than a woman giving birth to a son.

    Also while you are at it would you please show how the daughter of Zion in Micah 4:9-10 is Mary rather than the nation of Israel?

    All of you who would purport that Mary is the woman of Revelation 12 have a lot of explanation to do.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 6:32:49 AM PST · 3,149 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to terycarl; boatbums
    >>the Catholic church is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow.....always.<<

    Wow! Could it be stated any clearer? Catholics have completely replaced Christ with the institution of the Catholic Church.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 6:19:53 AM PST · 3,146 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; redleghunter; metmom
    >>Was not Abraham our father justified by works<<

    It amazes me how the meaning of scripture has been twisted. The quote above comes from James 2:21. Let's look at the word for word translation from the Greek.

    James 2:21 Abraham the father of us not my works was justified having offered Isaac the son of him upon the alter.

    And then the next verse.

    James 2:22 you see that his faith was working with the works of him and by his works his faith was completed.

    The actions (works) that Abraham took by laying Isaac on that alter was simply the end result of the faith Abraham had. True faith always has the result of acting right or good works. However, it is not the works that justify. It is the true faith which is only exhibited by the works that justifies. Paul states that clearly in Romans 4.

    Romans 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God. 3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

    And again in Romans 5.

    Romans 5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

    It's faith that justifies. The works are only a result of proof of that faith.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 5:40:26 AM PST · 3,140 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex; ealgeone
    >>Matthew 16 and Matthew 18 contain a reference to the judgment of the Church on Earth is binding in Heaven.<<

    No it doesn't. The Catholic Church has one more time twisted the meaning of that text. Here is Young's literal translation of that verse.

    Matthew 16:19 and I will give to thee the keys of the reign of the heavens, and whatever thou mayest bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever thou mayest loose upon the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.

    The disciples were being told to declare what has been bound in heaven. They were NOT being given licence to obligate heaven or God in any way only that they may tell the people what has been bound in heaven. The keys to the Kingdom was the gospel as recorded in scripture which when preached opens the Kingdom to those hearing.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/24/2014 5:25:02 AM PST · 3,126 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to annalex
    Are you looking for truth or desperately trying to inject meaning? The word is used only three times in the New Testament. Each time it is used to correct a previous statement. Let's look at your examples.

    In Romans 9 they were questioning why God made men like Pharaoh and then finds fault in them. Paul is correcting their statement.

    Again in Romans 10:18 the statement had been made that Israel really hadn't heard the word. Paul corrects them by saying "oh yes they did".

    So to in Luke 11:28 Jesus is correcting a prior statement.

    I understand that you want to defend the teachings of the Catholic Church but it's clear that in Luke 11:28 Jesus is correcting a statement not verifying it.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 5:39:13 PM PST · 3,047 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to af_vet_1981

    Yet not a word about her after Pentecost. Her roll having been completed was irrelevant to contemporary writers of both secular and religious historians.

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 5:33:12 PM PST · 287 of 289
    CynicalBear to editor-surveyor
    >>More confusion from the assigned confuser.<<

    listening to Rood the prophet of the deceiver will do that for sure.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 5:29:51 PM PST · 3,046 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins
    >>It’s clearly out of the Roman Catholic, and I think, Orthodox traditions.<<

    It clearly originated much farther back than that. Ishtar, who was worshipped as the "Mother of God and Queen of Heaven" who was impregnated by the pagan god Baal whose son was Tammuz the son of Baal. You can find hints of how God felt about the worship of Baal in Babylon in Ezekiel 8.

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 5:11:03 PM PST · 284 of 289
    CynicalBear to editor-surveyor

    The gospel (good news0 was preached to them in type just as the sacrifices were a type. They were under the management of the law. We are under the management of grace having the sacrifice of Christ already paid the price.

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 4:53:42 PM PST · 283 of 289
    CynicalBear to editor-surveyor
    >>Seriously! Dispensation as used in the Bible means most closely “provision.”<<

    Sigh. Nope.

    Greek - oikonomia - management of household affairs, stewardship, administration, administration, dispensation.

    Never once is it translated "provision" or any of it's Synonyms.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 4:33:45 PM PST · 3,042 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to af_vet_1981; Dutchboy88

    Doing that old “what denomination are you” badgering again ey?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 4:30:44 PM PST · 3,041 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins

    I’m sure you do. Just keep in mind that the term “mother of God” does not come from scripture but does come from the pagans.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 4:28:29 PM PST · 3,039 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to af_vet_1981

    Mary wasn’t even important enough for anyone to even keep track of where she spent her last days or where she died. Not one word was written about her after Pentecost.

  • For Advent: Wedding at Cana, Garden in Eden

    12/23/2014 4:17:57 PM PST · 61 of 154
    CynicalBear to Iscool

    LOL I’m enjoying the vitriol with anyone who even invokes scripture to point out that Mary is NOT what they claim she is. It’s rather easy to see who they put first.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 4:12:16 PM PST · 3,036 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins
    >>She was the mother of the incarnate<<

    No one has ever said that she wasn't the mother of Jesus.

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 4:09:27 PM PST · 278 of 289
    CynicalBear to editor-surveyor
    >>Paul stated that his gospel was the same gospel preached to the Israelites in the desert.<<

    Say what? Christ had already died, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven already then?

    Hebrews 3 is simply comparing the rebellion of the Israelites to rebellion in his day and the lack of faith. Hebrews 4 again is simply making a comparison. They both had good news of faith. Both are talking of the faith which was exhibited by obedience. Dispensation does not mean that the means of salvation has changed. I'm beginning to think you may need to understand the meaning of the word Paul uses in Ephesians 3:2.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 3:50:20 PM PST · 3,030 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins
    >>Do you think Jesus was fully God when He walked on this earth<<

    Of course He was fully God. That does not make Mary the mother of His deity. Those who claim she is "mother of God" claim to know more about the mystery of the incarnation than is found in scripture.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 2:37:54 PM PST · 3,025 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins
    >>Mary is mother of the incarnate, 2d Person of the Trinity.<<

    Define mother as you use it there.

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 2:36:43 PM PST · 3,024 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins

    Do you think Jesus fully man or not?

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 2:34:46 PM PST · 274 of 289
    CynicalBear to editor-surveyor
    >>Do you somehow not understand that dispensationalism is total bunk?<<

    You should maybe tell Paul.

    Ephesians 3:2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 2:01:40 PM PST · 3,018 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins

    I should add. I wonder how that fits with the Catholics proclaiming Mary the “mother of God” from Elizibeth’s comment using “Lord”?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 1:59:47 PM PST · 3,017 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins

    So it’s “simply” or “Lord the Pope” ey?

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 1:56:34 PM PST · 271 of 289
    CynicalBear to avenir

    Oh my! I hadn’t even considered that one. Maybe those who preach the law ............?

  • Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

    12/23/2014 1:37:26 PM PST · 3,014 of 3,319
    CynicalBear to xzins; Elsie
    >>There is no claim by the Catholics that the Pope is God or Messiah.<<

    Oh really?

    The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII says this: But to believe that our Lord God the Pope the establisher of said decretal, and of this, could not decree, as he did decree, should be accounted heretical. [The Gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, Cum. Inter, title 14, chapter 4, "Ad Callem Sexti Decretalium", Column 140 (Paris, 1685). In an Antwerp edition of the Extravagantes, the words, Dominum Deum Nostrum Papam ("Our Lord God the Pope") can be found in column 153[

    Just recently, in 2004, Bishop Patrick Dunn of Auckland said this: "It seems that Pope John Paul II now presides over the universal Church from his place upon Christ's cross. [http://www.zenit.org/en/articles/auckland-bishop-says-pope-presides-from-the-cross]

    we readily understand the devotion of Saint Francis of Assisi for "the Lord Pope",the daughterly outspokenness of Saint Catherine of Siena towards the one whom she called "sweet Christ on earth", the apostolic obedience and the sentire cum Ecclesia of Saint Ignatius Loyola,and the joyful profession of faith made by Saint Teresa of Avila: "I am a daughter of the Church" [Pope John Paul II, Vita Consecrata (March 25, 1996): vatican.va.]

  • Messiah—The Son of God?

    12/23/2014 12:37:37 PM PST · 8 of 19
    CynicalBear to Georgia Girl 2
    >>And the Messianic/Completed Jews still believe that. Mr. GG2 being one of them.<<

    Praise God for that! Obviously the first believers were Jews and there have been many since. I had some friends that were Messianic Jews. They felt compelled and called to relocate to Israel and now live there.

  • 4 Teachings Of Jesus That His Followers (Almost) Never Take Seriously

    12/23/2014 12:33:30 PM PST · 269 of 289
    CynicalBear to editor-surveyor
    >>The age of grace began when Adam sinned, and will end at the last trump.<<

    Interesting that Paul said the dispensation of grace had been given to him for the Gentiles. If you can't see the different way God deals with man after pentecost I suggest some study of scripture rather than the teachings of the prophet of the enemy.

  • Messiah—The Son of God?

    12/23/2014 11:21:34 AM PST · 5 of 19
    CynicalBear to redleghunter

    It’s no surprise the most of the Jewish leadership especially don’t believe. God did after all “set the aside” during this age of grace. The abandonment of the Jews is coming to an end very soon. This “dispensation of grace” as Paul called it will soon end and God will once again turn His full attention to the nation of Israel.