Posts by DouglasKC

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  • California puzzles over safety of driverless cars

    12/21/2014 1:26:49 PM PST · 29 of 31
    DouglasKC to PROCON
    They have been involved in just a "few" accidents, though not at fault in any of them, spokeswoman Courtney Hohne said. I ask you; would you let your kids be driven to school in a driverless car?

    I've been driving longer and likely farther than driverless cars and I've been in a "few" accidents too....but that's over almost 40 years.

  • Single Mom Takes On McDonald’s in Wage Fight [instead of getting better job skills and a husband]

    12/17/2014 6:19:34 PM PST · 94 of 106
    DouglasKC to grundle

    Yes...big hint on how to have more...GET A BETTER JOB!!!

  • Ted Cruz's Strategy: To Hell With Independents

    12/15/2014 11:40:03 AM PST · 34 of 58
    DouglasKC to 2ndDivisionVet

    This is actually the greatest strategy. These so called independents ARE the sheep. They believe whatever you tell them but they MOSTLY have conservative values. Tell them the conservative message WITH conviction and passion and they will vote for Cruz en masse.

  • WHO: There Could Be 10,000 New Ebola Cases Per Week In Coming Months

    12/15/2014 10:46:46 AM PST · 24 of 28
    DouglasKC to TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed
    I have been tracking the exponential growth of Ebola in the three most heavily affected West African nations. As of December 12, 2014, the total number of cases was 18,188 with a total death toll of 6,583. The number of new cases per day (as of today) is averaging about 160.

    And keep in mind that these numbers are generally acknowledged to 3 or 4 times lower than the actual numbers. But you are completely right. Nothing is stopping Ebola as of yet. It's expanding at about the same rate as always. The ONLY thing different is the reporting...or lack of same....from American media.

  • If someone breaks in your house (vanity)

    12/15/2014 9:10:29 AM PST · 29 of 49
    DouglasKC to GreaterSwiss

    I would guess most home invasions are done by very desperate people...people desperate for money or for drugs. Desperate people aren’t rational. They’ve chosen to violate someone else’s privacy and dwelling and they’ve determined they’re going to steal from them. The only way to be safe in that situation is not to be home. If you’re home the odds that something bad is going to happen to you seem very good unless the intruder is a master thief.

  • Rush: Cromnibus Designed to 'Eliminate the Tea Party'

    12/13/2014 5:25:46 PM PST · 179 of 180
    DouglasKC to cotton1706

    It’s time to fracture the Republicans and the Democrats and do a real, conservative party with well known people. Lee, Cruz and others should change their party affiliation and work for this.

  • In Colorado, We Are Entering a Stoned New World

    12/13/2014 8:12:18 AM PST · 2 of 46
    DouglasKC to rktman
    Our first stumbling block is that the state-sponsored growers and sellers cartels have kept prices artificially high (no pun intended), so we still have a black market for the green herb. That also means, as we’ve discussed here before, that tax revenues are not meeting expectations.

    "Artificially" high? The market is what the market will bear. Who in their right mind ever thought that pot would be cheap to buy legally especially since it's being taxed? Are cigarettes cheap? Legalization is and was a bad high idea pushed and sold by leftists.

  • A Quiet Exit for a Forgotten Ebola Czar

    12/08/2014 2:10:52 PM PST · 6 of 18
    DouglasKC to wtd

    He had one job: Stop the press from reporting on Ebola. He was very good at his job.

  • Eaten Alive Viewers Outraged Man Wasn’t Actually Eaten Alive

    12/08/2014 8:10:00 AM PST · 32 of 40
    DouglasKC to Opinionated Blowhard
    I agree. Discovery produces mermaids. History Channel has proven over and over again that the ancient Gods were really aliens who ruled over the Earth for thousands of years, that Atlantis was real and somewhere off the coast of Cuba and that ghosts inhabit pretty much every run down house in America. So why can’t Eaten Alive be real too?????

    That is the most succinct and accurate synopsis of those cable cable channels that I've seen...bravo sir!

  • White Lone Star College Student Doesn't Want to Learn About White Privilege

    12/07/2014 3:18:04 PM PST · 75 of 111
    DouglasKC to Bettyprob

    The only “privilege” white or otherwise is a work ethic. One just has to be willing to work in America to live better then most of the world. One has to be willing to work harder to live like a king comparatively. And one has to be willing to sacrifice capital AND to work hard to succeed financially beyond the wildest dreams of most of the world.

  • Reggie Bush Wears Protest Shirt (I can't breathe)

    12/07/2014 2:40:58 PM PST · 19 of 44
    DouglasKC to doug from upland

    Yeah and he didn’t do crap in the game. Instant karma.

  • What in the world do you make of THIS?

    12/07/2014 8:06:22 AM PST · 48 of 126
    DouglasKC to The_Reader_David; ravenwolf
    In the Acts of the Apostles, observance of the Old Covenant sabbath was not one of the requirements enjoined on gentile Christians by the Council of Jerusalem with the words “It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us...”

    There's more to this...

    Act 15:19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God,
    Act 15:20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from things strangled, and from blood.
    Act 15:21 For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath."

    There was no need to tell the new converts what day the sabbath was or what day to worship on. At this point of time there was no other day known as the sabbath. The sabbath was (and still is) sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. The writers assumed that the new gentile converts would be coming to worship EVERY SABBATH. The notion that the sabbath was anything different didn't really take hold until 300 or 400 years after this and that only under threat.

    Today many look at these verses through the prism of a centuries of Sunday worship and can't conceive that it was ever different.

  • What in the world do you make of THIS?

    12/07/2014 7:56:18 AM PST · 46 of 126
    DouglasKC to wheat_grinder

    It means no matter how much Protestants “protest” against Rome they’re still bound hip to hip with lawlessness concerning the 4th commandment.

  • Minnesota schools allow male athletes who say they are female to shower with girls

    12/07/2014 7:49:38 AM PST · 89 of 104
    DouglasKC to Morgana

    Absolutely insane. Destroy both women’s sports and privacy. What if a 6’6 300 pounds guy decides he’s a girl and goes out for woman’s volleyball? Gotta play him. And then his parts are on full display for everyone to see in the locker room.

  • Is This What We Really Want?

    12/07/2014 7:35:49 AM PST · 8 of 21
    DouglasKC to Kaslin

    The solution for police is simple. Stop policing majority black neighborhoods but have a clear line where policing starts. Things will kind of work themselves out after a while.

  • 8th Sierra Leonean doctor dies of Ebola

    12/07/2014 7:22:39 AM PST · 9 of 13
    DouglasKC to Gritty
    I see our Ebola Czar has this horrible killer disease well under control now. The news blackout on this catastrophe is almost total.

    Pretty amazing isn't it? One call from the czar and nobody reports anything.

  • Chris Rock’s econ bombshell: What his “riots in the streets” prediction says about American Dream

    12/06/2014 5:48:49 AM PST · 34 of 41
    DouglasKC to Jim from C-Town
    I bet any one of us can think of ten people off the top of our heads that went from nothing to middle class upper middle class or outright wealthy.

    Which probably included many freepers. Most people, unless their parents give them a very good nest egg or inheritance, start off at zero dollars. There's three choices....stay at zero, go less than zero or increase wealth.

  • White House: Obama Will Shut Down Gov't if Congress Defunds Exec Amnesty

    12/06/2014 5:27:42 AM PST · 84 of 87
    DouglasKC to bestintxas
    The Republicans have never "shutdown" during the Obama administration. They've been blamed but all they did was propose spending in the house and it was vetoed by the Democrat led Senate. The Democrats shut down government.

    But the Republicans get blamed because they didn't do what the Democrats wanted.

  • Obama decries 'barbaric murder' of US hostage in Yemen

    12/06/2014 5:03:10 AM PST · 10 of 29
    DouglasKC to Cincinatus' Wife

    Trying to get ahead of the spin of a “failed rescue attempt” which is what it really was.

  • former freeper

    12/05/2014 6:21:13 PM PST · 234 of 242
    DouglasKC to Lazamataz
    But if we don't, he will look for us, he WILL find us, and he will kill us.

    Good luck....

  • Terminator Genisys Movie - Official Trailer

    12/04/2014 5:41:36 PM PST · 22 of 42
    DouglasKC to Extremely Extreme Extremist
    Nope. The 2nd one was the greatest sequel and one of the best movies of all time. Linda Hamilton kicked monster ass.

    Loved it. But loved 3 just as much...

  • Terminator Genisys Movie - Official Trailer

    12/04/2014 4:17:50 PM PST · 4 of 42
    DouglasKC to Perdogg

    I don’t know...I think it looks entertaining. I love the franchise....the 3rd installment I think was the best though underrated.

  • Rape Story Sends Shock Waves -- and Stretched Credulity

    12/03/2014 8:47:32 AM PST · 29 of 43
    DouglasKC to Kackikat
    If the girl said ‘no’ at any point, it is rape, period...even if you think it is jest. Or if she is underage, or qualifies for the difference in age that makes it statutory rape, as she does not have legal right to say is rape.

    You may be misunderstanding my scenario. It's a starry eyed young lady who willingly gives herself to what she pictures to be her husband someday. But the guy is just thinking "I want some sex". Woman invest much more into sex then men do and I'll bet most of these "He raped me" stories play out much like this.

  • Rape Story Sends Shock Waves -- and Stretched Credulity

    12/03/2014 8:40:43 AM PST · 27 of 43
    DouglasKC to tanknetter
    Guy is a dbag to a girl (ungentlemanly, but most of the time not a crime) and she seeks revenge via conduct board by leveling the charge of a serious crime, but declines to press official charges with police. So the guy gets railroaded out of school and is permanently stigmatized, while the girl doesn’t have to meet real evidentary standards AND doesn’t have the guilt of possibly sending him to jail on her conscience.

    I think this is close to the truth. Guy dates a young girl. The young girl is in LOVE. The guy is so nice. This is the one the girl thinks. They have sex. The guy says maybe in not so many words "thanks and have a good life." Girl is devastated. She's given away herself to him and he's used her like dirty Kleenex. It's all consensual, but I bet the woman feels raped. And that's how she justifies it.

  • Rowdy, smelly pig kicked off plane [Emotional Support Animal]

    11/30/2014 12:39:16 PM PST · 57 of 58
    DouglasKC to Drew68
    Personally, I think the whole concept of emotional support animals is silly and makes a mockery of service animals. Isn't every pet an "emotional support" animal?

    100% agreed. Can't go anywhere without seeing a dog now. People literally can bring them almost anywhere and get indignant if any dares to question them.

  • Nancy Grace Goes Off on Darren Wilson: ‘It Doesn’t Add Up!’

    11/28/2014 1:25:21 PM PST · 21 of 102
    DouglasKC to 2ndDivisionVet

    Or drive recklessly down the road endangering other people or cars or property while they struggle?

  • Ferguson Too Complicated for Easy Allegory

    11/27/2014 7:51:06 AM PST · 12 of 67
    DouglasKC to Kaslin
    One theme he hit repeatedly, and correctly, was that the passions of many protestors are rooted in something very real. The "frustrations that we've seen are not just about a particular incident," Obama said. "They have deep roots in many communities of color who have a sense that our laws are not always being enforced uniformly or fairly.",

    Only because idiots like Obama, the media, and other leftist trolls are constantly beating that drum. Of course blacks are angry. People who have homosexual sex are getting to an almost black level of anger too because they're constantly being told that everyone hates them and is out to get them. The solution is simple. Stop trying to make a buck and win political points off of fomenting rage.

  • St. Paul superintendent apologizes for Ferguson tweet

    11/25/2014 3:33:49 PM PST · 3 of 51
    DouglasKC to TurboZamboni

    How to explain it? How about the truth? The grand jury spent days going over the evidence and interviewing witnesses and they determined that that the officer acted correctly.

  • Hear Bill Cosby joke about drugging women in 1969

    11/25/2014 8:47:57 AM PST · 65 of 99
    DouglasKC to conservative98

    Anyone remember David Letterman? He used his power over subordinates to get sex from them. I’m not sure what Cosby did but it sounds like much the same thing...and that’s not to mention Bill Clinton.

  • LeBron, black athletes whine on Twitter about Ferguson grand jury decision

    11/25/2014 8:34:53 AM PST · 58 of 66
    DouglasKC to Adam Taxin

    It’s like we’re living in two where some form their opinions based on inflammatory headlines and rumors and where others look at facts.

  • Evidence Photos of Darren Wilson After Shooting

    11/24/2014 8:38:59 PM PST · 12 of 42
    DouglasKC to hole_n_one

    not the best light but it’s a pretty big bruise on the side of his face.

  • What's It Like to Have Perfect Pitch?

    11/23/2014 8:01:06 PM PST · 72 of 72
    DouglasKC to bgill

    I don’t know why but for some reason I never did the paper turning thing....I think I had a hard time learning how to make my letters and turning the paper would have been a complicating factor. Nice to know though.....though I rarely if ever write long hand anymore.

  • What's It Like to Have Perfect Pitch?

    11/23/2014 12:45:43 PM PST · 70 of 72
    DouglasKC to bgill; CharlesOConnell
    Also people with mixed-hand preference, the form of left-handedness that makes them write "scrunched-over",
    The "scrunched-over" doesn't happen if one simply angles their sheet of paper from the right-handed position at 10 o'clock to the 2 o'clock position. Opposite hand = opposite paper position. Simple. No brainer.

    As a left handed writer the scrunched over doesn't come from any "type" of lefthandness. I learned to write that way because writing normally with your left hand means you smear the pencil lead and/or ink with the edge of your hand if you're writing left to right. So to avoid it we needed to twist our hands up and around.

  • Marion Barry remembered for love of DC

    11/23/2014 9:02:12 AM PST · 9 of 27
    DouglasKC to artichokegrower
    And also his love of crack cocaine.

    Yah for sure...I understand the article is from San Francisco and they're trying to be charitable but most people know and remember him because he apparently was able to be smoke crack on camera and STILL be elected.

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/23/2014 7:28:34 AM PST · 117 of 120
    DouglasKC to Diamond
    Where is Christ now? When Paul refers to our body as an "earthly house" and a "tent", and says that while we are at home inside our bodies, we are absent from the Lord, and that he would rather depart and be with Christ, does that mean that Christ is in the ground where Paul would go to his grave?

    Christ went to the grave for 3 days and 3 nights and then was resurrected to glory. The same happens for us except we stay in the grave until Christ returns and then are resurrected to glory at his return.

    Joh 5:28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice
    Joh 5:29 and come forth— those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.

    This matches with:

    Dan_12:2 And many of those who sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, Some to everlasting life, Some to shame and everlasting contempt.

    Even if you think what Jesus taught in Luke 16 is merely figurative, or representative of something else, would Jesus teach something using an absurd example that had no connections with reality, was false and contrary to Scripture? That would be like Jesus saying that the Kingdom of Heaven is like a rock that a man threw in a cave and it grew up and became the greatest of all camels.

    Jesus did exactly that....he spoke in parables so that many would not understand. Lazarus and the rich man is a parable aimed at non-believers, Pharisees. Not at believers. In order to take it literally we would have to dismiss every other scripture (dozens and dozens) that refer to resurrections when Christ returns and death as sleep.

    There are aspects of salvation that are past, present and future. The last time and the resurrection of our bodies are aspects of our salvation that are in the future. However, Scripture also speaks of eternal life in the present, as a present possession.

    There are basically two aspects of salvation. Christ came the first time to "save" us from our sins. And he will come the second time to give Christians eternal life.

    Heb 9:26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
    Heb 9:27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
    Heb 9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

    Christ came the first time to take away sin. The second will be to give eternal life. It's a huge subject by itself.

    First time:

    Mat_1:21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."

    Often when God talks about being saved in the present tense in scripture he's referring to being saved from our sins...which belief in Christ should do for us. We're freed from sin.

    Rom 6:22 But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    Again Christ came the first time to save us from sin. He will come the second time to give Christians eternal life.

    In scripture, as far as I can tell, man never has a "spirit" other than the one given to Christians....the holy spirit. I guess Paul didn't get the memo: 1 Corinthians 2:11 New American Standard Bible (NASB) For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.

    The rest of the verses put this in better context:

    1Co 2:11 For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God.
    1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.
    1Co 2:13 These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
    1Co 2:14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Paul isn't teaching that man has an eternal spirit here. Just the opposite. He uses the term "spirit" of man, spirit of the world, and natural man interchangebly to contrast it with the spirit of God. The natural man cannot comprehend spiritual things.

    Take care...

  • What is "Sin"? (Vanity)

    11/23/2014 6:41:16 AM PST · 41 of 101
    DouglasKC to BwanaNdege

    1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgesseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.(KJV)

    1Jn 3:4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness.

    The "law" is God's moral laws, God's laws of love, which traditionally (until recently) have their written expression as the ten commandments.

    So sin is the violation of these laws. It can either be intentional or we can miss the mark unintentionally.

  • BREAKING: Ferguson Grand Jury Fails to Reach Decision on Indictment

    11/22/2014 5:52:49 PM PST · 133 of 152
    DouglasKC to Kaslin

    Hah...just a different way of saying he was NOT indicted.

  • Ebola death toll rises to 5,420: WHO

    11/20/2014 8:40:17 AM PST · 22 of 26
    DouglasKC to ansel12
    "Frieden warned Thursday that without immediate, concerted, bold action, the Ebola virus could become a global calamity on the scale of HIV. He spoke at a gathering of global health officials and government leaders at the World Bank headquarters in Washington" Aids has killed about 36 million and is down to killing about 1.6 million a year now, you seem to think Ebola will reach 43 million by next year this time.

    No I keep saying it will IF nothing changes. And it will...

  • Ebola death toll rises to 5,420: WHO

    11/20/2014 8:39:10 AM PST · 21 of 26
    DouglasKC to ansel12
    So you are predicting 43 million dead by next November, that is fewer than the predictions that run as high as 6 billion. How many Americans are you predicting?

    I'm not "predicting" anything. I'm looking at how may new people get infected and stating that if nothing changes this is what will happen. Verifying it is easy. Go back and look at the article i just linked to. A month ago there were around 8000 cases. A few days ago there were over 15,000. And remember this is under reported. Doubling every month.

  • Ebola death toll rises to 5,420: WHO

    11/20/2014 8:19:09 AM PST · 15 of 26
    DouglasKC to ansel12
    You also might want to read this article from last month from the Washington Post:

    The Omninous Math of the Ebola Epidemic.

    I was being somewhat conservative in saying it's doubling every month. These guys said every 3 weeks.

    But of course this was written just before the czar started shaping public opinion....

  • Ebola death toll rises to 5,420: WHO

    11/20/2014 8:09:03 AM PST · 13 of 26
    DouglasKC to ansel12
    So far it looks like the predictions of some posters that ran up to 6 billion by June of 2016, may have been too high.

    I'm not sure about those numbers but the rate of infections is till doubling every month and the death rate is still at 70%.

    That means if there's been 15,000 cases so far (and both WHO and the CDC believe this is underreported by a factor of 2 to 3 times) then in another month there will have been 30,000 cases.

    So by Dec 20, 30,000.

    By Jan 20, 60,000
    By Feb, 120,000
    By March, 240,000
    By April, 480,000
    By May 960,0000
    By June 1,920,0000
    By July 3,840,000
    By August 7,680,000
    By Sept 2015: 15,360,000
    By October 2015: 30,720,000
    By November 2015: 61,440,000

    At a 70% death rate over 43,000,000 will be dead.

    Again the rate of infection is at least doubling every single month...still. That hasn't changed. IF it continues this IS what will happen.

    The ONLY thing that has changed is that the Ebola "czar" has leaned on the press to make it not so scary. But math is math and there is still no cure and no vaccine. And the death rate is still 70%.

    It's not "predictions". It's not fear mongering. It's not alarmism. It's looking at the numbers, looking at the infection rates and extrapolating from there. If nothing changes this IS what will happen.

  • Unnngh..

    11/19/2014 6:15:53 PM PST · 3,848 of 3,922
    DouglasKC to nascarnation

    unngh...toward 4000 posts...

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/16/2014 7:12:33 AM PST · 89 of 120
    DouglasKC to Diamond
    I did NOT say "soul" and "spirit" are synonymous, only that the words in Scripture for "mortal" and "immortality" refer only to the condition of the body, never the soul or spirit.

    Thank you again for kind reply and the opportunity to study. I assumed that by saying that only the body is mortal that you were stating that the soul is immortal. I stated some proofs that the "soul" is not immortal. Sorry if I misread that.

    So when you speak of "immortal souls" to negate the truth of Scripture that death is NOT the cessation of all activity, awareness and consciousness, you are still not being precise with the language of Scripture.

    Well scripture certainly seems to indicate that death is exactly that...

    Ecc 9:5 For the living know that they will die; But the dead know nothing, And they have no more reward, For the memory of them is forgotten.
    Ecc 9:6 Also their love, their hatred, and their envy have now perished; Nevermore will they have a share In anything done under the sun.

    In fact death is compared to sleep multiple times...a cessation of conscious, aware activity.

    Eph_5:14 Therefore He says: "Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light."

    1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

    1Co_15:51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—

    There are many many more examples. All in all the clear message seems to be that we sleep in our graves until the return of Christ at which time, if we're Christian, are resurrected to eternal life.

    Your unstated assumptions seem to be that 'soul' equals physical life, and that 'life' refers to 'existence' while 'death' refers to 'nonexistence.' Yet the New Testament describes unbelievers while they were still existing in this world as 'dead' and believers as receiving 'life' at the moment of regeneration:

    I think we're operating within different frameworks. When I see the term "eternal life" and apply it to Christians I see a couple of things. First that eternal life is PROMISED to Christians and that true eternal lie occurs at the end of our faith, at the return of Christ:

    1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
    1Pe 1:4 to an inheritance incorruptible and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you,

    Notice the language here. A hope, an inheritance that can't be corrupted (immortal), RESERVED in heaven. Something not yet here.

    1Pe 1:5 who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

    Salvation is revealed in the last time, at the return of Christ.

    1Pe 1:6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while, if need be, you have been grieved by various trials,
    1Pe 1:7 that the genuineness of your faith, being much more precious than gold that perishes, though it is tested by fire, may be found to praise, honor, and glory at the revelation of Jesus Christ,
    1Pe 1:8 whom having not seen you love. Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory,
    1Pe 1:9 receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls.

    The end of faith is the salvation of our souls...our lives. Notice that faith (at least here) is the faith that we will be given eternal life, or salvation at the return of Christ.

    And if it were just here that would be one thing. But it's repeated multiple times in much the same manner throughout scripture. One more example:

    Luk 18:29 So He said to them, "Assuredly, I say to you, there is no one who has left house or parents or brothers or wife or children, for the sake of the kingdom of God,
    Luk 18:30 who shall not receive many times more in this present time, and in the age to come eternal life.

    So true life, eternal lie, is a future promise to Christians.

    Your position (if I understand correctly) is that this eternal life is referring simply to the body and that our soul or spirit (your terms) are different matters. That they are in some way already eternal. We've seen that the english word "soul" is not immortal. In the new testament scriptures the word most often translated "soul" is the greek psuche (transliterated). It's the breath of life in both man and animal...basically the equivalent of the hebrew word. Mostly it's translated as soul. Sometimes as "life". But it's not eternal or immortal.

    As for spirit, in the new testament the word most often translated as spirit is "pneuma" (again transliterated). It's used in reference to the holy spirit as well as for unclean spirits, or demons. In other words, it usually denotes a type of existence, a different type of "body" if you will then our mortal flesh. On a different plane, one which is invisible to us in general. Pneuma can also refer to wind..which denotes something of which it's effects can be felt but which in general is invisible to us.

    In scripture, as far as I can tell, man never has a "spirit" other than the one given to Christians....the holy spirit.

    Again it goes back to what Paul said:

    1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, "THE FIRST MAN ADAM BECAME A LIVING BEING." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
    1Co 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

    I also wanted to address "eternal life". In the verses you quoted where it mentioned "life", the term used was "zoe" which is life in general. However none of them say that Christians have ETERNAL life...or aionious zoe. It's an important distinction. Basically the scriptures are again affirming that we have eternal life promised to us. And that promise will be kept by God.

    Somehow somewhere along the way modern Christianity has gotten the idea that we are already immortal..whether it be a soul or spirit. We do have a "soul" but it's not immortal. We CAN have a spirit..either the holy spirit of God OR possibly an unclean spirit that resides in us. But we are not MADE a an eternal spirit until the return of Christ.

    Anyways I know this is long and yet incomplete so I apologize for that....

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/14/2014 8:25:05 PM PST · 74 of 120
    DouglasKC to Diamond
    In Scripture, mortal and immortality refer only to the condition of the body. It is the body that is mortal, never the soul, or spirit.

    Hello and thanks for your reply. In scripture, "soul" and "spirit" are not synonymous. A "soul", again based on scripture, is any living, breathing creature that has life whether it be animal or human.

    For example:

    Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    This is the King James. But it's not the first instance of this word that's translated "soul" here. That actually occurs earlier...

    Gen 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
    Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

    The words highlighted above are the same word translated soul earlier...the Hebrew "nepesh". It means basically a living breathing creature. There is no immortality to it unless one believes that whales and other living creatures also have immortal souls.

    And a biblical "soul" can die:

    Eze 18:4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

    The souls is basically another term for life. And the opposite of life is death.

    Another proof that a soul is not immortal is found here:

    Mat 10:28 And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    In this case Christ is saying as Christians, we are promised a resurrection. People can destroy our bodies, but life ultimately belongs to God. And God can destroy our souls, our life. So "soul" is not immortal. It's simply another term for physical life.

    "This mortal will put on immortality" is speaking of the resurrection of our body, not our spirit. A spirit cannot die. The term resurrection only applies to the body.

    That's not what Paul says. He makes it very clear.

    1Co 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption.
    1Co 15:43 It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power.
    1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
    1Co 15:45 And so it is written, "THE FIRST MAN ADAM BECAME A LIVING BEING." The last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 1Co 15:46 However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

    Verse 46 confirms it. There is no eternal spirit FIRST. There is a natural body. When Christ returns Christians are given the gift of eternal life. That's the spiritual. The first body is mortal, natural. We die.

    Therefore 1 Timothy 6:16, referring to Christ, means the God/man alone has immortality as his nature, and being the firstfruit raised in the resurrection.

    1Ti 6:14 that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing,
    1Ti 6:15 which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
    1Ti 6:16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.

    Since Christ has not returned with his gift of eternal life for Christians, nobody as of yet, except Christ, has eternal life or is immortal. Hence the statement: "whom no man has seen or can see". Because Christ hasn't returned yet to save our lives:

    Heb 9:28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

    Christ came the first time for the forgiveness of our sins. When he comes again, it will be to give us eternal life, to save us from permanent death....salvation.

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/14/2014 1:20:31 PM PST · 60 of 120
    DouglasKC to Elsie
    I guess that 'everlasting' fire will burn on without inhabitants then.

    Nope...people will burn up, be reduced to ash and stubble.

    Mal_4:1 "For behold, the day is coming, Burning like an oven, And all the proud, yes, all who do wickedly will be stubble. And the day which is coming shall burn them up," Says the LORD of hosts, "That will leave them neither root nor branch.

    Joh 15:6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

    But according to Jesus the everlasting fire is actually prepared for Satan and his demons:

    Mat 25:41 "Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/13/2014 3:13:56 PM PST · 45 of 120
    DouglasKC to CynicalBear
    >>To think otherwise is to believe that we don't need Jesus to have eternal life which goes completely against scripture.<< No, it doesn't go against scripture. We have eternal "life" with Christ. They go to eternal torment/punishment. Atheists believe that life simply ends and their is nothing after this life on earth. They take your words and live it up now because they don't care to live eternally with God and have no fear of anything after they leave this life. Satan loves the "no eternal punishment" crowd.

    Satan loves the "You can have eternal life without Christ crowd" more. Besides disagreeing with scripture it gives rise to all kinds of heresy. Reincarnation for example.

    But the worst thing about it is that it takes away our freewill. It supposes that God creates us immortal and that our default position is to burn forever. Thank God that the God of scripture creates us mortal so that we're given the choice of life or death....death or life everlasting through Christ:

    Deu 30:19 “I call heaven and earth as witnesses today against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing; therefore choose life, that both you and your descendants may live;

    The choice has always been the or death. Not life or life.

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/13/2014 2:53:34 PM PST · 43 of 120
    DouglasKC to CynicalBear
    Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal. 2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction (olethros) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; olethros - 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete "undoing." []

    Sure, it means DEATH. AS in no more life, as in no eternal life.

    Strong's Concordance and Thayer's Concordance:

    LSJ Gloss:
    ruin, destruction, death

    a prolonged form); ruin, i.e. death, punishment
    Derivation: from a primary ὄλλυμι (to destroy;
    KJV Usage: destruction.

    1) ruin, destroy, death
    1a) for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed

    Ordinary usage of the word (as well as John 3:!6 as well as Malachi as well as numerous other places) say that man is burned up destroyed, that he does not have an immortal soul, that we are mortal and that the gift of God is eternal life.

    To think otherwise is to believe that we don't need Jesus to have eternal life which goes completely against scripture.

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/13/2014 2:24:24 PM PST · 40 of 120
    DouglasKC to CynicalBear
    2 Thessalonians 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction (olethros) from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; olethros - 3639 /ólethros ("ruination") however does not imply "extinction" (annihilation). Rather it emphasizes the consequent loss that goes with the complete "undoing." []

    You're arguing against Malachi (and other scriptures) which clearly show that man is going to be burned up like stubble...into ash.

    In addition you're advocating that man can have immortality without receiving the gift of immortality from Christ.

    In addition Vine's Expository Dictionary says about oltethros says that it means "ruin, destroy, death, for the destruction of the flesh, said of the external ills and troubles by which the lusts of the flesh are subdued and destroyed"

    In addition:

    John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

    The word translated "perish" means absolute destruction, to destroy full, to kill.

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/13/2014 2:09:43 PM PST · 39 of 120
    DouglasKC to CynicalBear
    >>"No rest day or night" is referring to later events of the wrath of chapter 16:<< That doesn't work at all. The "events of the wrath of God" do not last "forever and ever".

    Neither does the wrath of God. Scripture doesn't say that the have no rest day or night forever.

    Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.

    It says the smoke ascends forever and ever. It doesn't say they have no rest forever and ever. You're reading that into the second part.

  • Seven Proofs for the Natural Immortality of the Human Soul

    11/13/2014 12:32:29 PM PST · 36 of 120
    DouglasKC to CynicalBear; Yosemitest
    Rev 14:9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand,
    Rev 14:10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation.
    He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
    Rev 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

    "No rest day or night" is referring to later events of the wrath of chapter 16:

    Rev 16:1 Then I heard a loud voice from the temple saying to the seven angels, "Go and pour out the bowls of the wrath of God on the earth."
    Rev 16:2 So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image.

    The rest of the chapter shows how and why those who worship the beast have no rest day or's because the wrath of God is poured out on them in the end time.