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  • Exclusive Interview: Cardinal Burke Says Confusion Spreading Among Catholics ‘in an Alarming Way'

    03/25/2015 6:38:49 AM PDT · 5 of 32
    eastsider to marshmallow
    LSN: Repeatedly, even the synod fathers who have touted the issues of “remarriage” of divorcee and homosexual or non-marital unions have repeated that the question is not doctrinal, but pastoral. What is your response to that?

    CB: That simply is a false distinction. There cannot be anything that's truly pastorally sound which is not doctrinally sound. In other words: you cannot divide the truth from love. In other words still: it can't be loving not to live the truth. And so to say that we're just making pastoral changes that have nothing to do with doctrine is false. If you admit persons who are in irregular matrimonial unions to Holy Communion, then you're directly making a statement about the indissolubility of marriage, because Our Lord said: “He who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery.” And the person in an irregular matrimonial union is living in a publicly adulterous state. If you give Holy Communion to that person then somehow you're saying that this is alright doctrinally. But it can't be.

    "There cannot be anything that's truly pastorally sound which is not doctrinally sound. In other words: you cannot divide the truth from love. In other words still: it can't be loving not to live the truth."

    Thank you, Cardinal Burke, for speaking out against contemporary moral dualism.

  • Diocese of Sodom and Gomorra

    03/24/2015 6:18:13 PM PDT · 10 of 57
    eastsider to Gamecock
    Neither are Calvinist.
    We interrupt this thread for a special announcement from the Grammar Police:
    Neither [one] is Calvinist.
    Thank you. You may now return to your regularly scheduled posting ...
  • Starbucks CEO: No Tolerance for Traditional Marriage Supporters

    03/24/2015 6:04:41 PM PDT · 106 of 111
    eastsider to KansasGirl
    I can’t believe Starbucks is still in business.... McDonald’s coffee is so much better and isn’t ridiculously priced.
    Years ago, I was a Dunkin' Donuts fan, but McDonald's won me over when they made that deal with Green Mountain.

    I've never cared for Starbucks.

  • A rapid surge of interest in priestly vocations in the Diocese of…

    03/23/2015 4:58:35 PM PDT · 9 of 10
    eastsider to NYer
    A while back I posted about the surge of vocations in the Diocese of Madison under the influence of the Extraordinary Ordinary, Most Rev. Robert C. Morlino, the diocesan bishop.
    During Bishop Morlino's recent visit to Mount St. Mary's Seminary in Emmitsburg, Maryland, he celebrated a Low Mass in the Extraordinary Form in the seminary chapel. It was probably the 1st time in decades that the chapel has seen a bishop celebrating the Latin Mass there.
  • We Are ‘Synthetic Children’ And We Agree With Dolce & Gabbana

    03/21/2015 6:03:54 PM PDT · 17 of 22
    eastsider to Lorianne

    I so look forward to the day that these IVF kids start to sue the pants off their selfish whatevertheyare.

  • From Evangelical Protestant to Catholic deacon

    03/21/2015 5:15:47 PM PDT · 13 of 139
    eastsider to Salvation
    I bet they the press didn’t plan on this happening.
    Bet you're right! It played a major role in many of the new priests and even current seminarians I've spoken with over the past several years. The Spirit works in mysterious ways ... What they meant for evil has been turned into a blessing.
  • Three Words Catholics Do Not Understand

    03/18/2015 9:11:17 AM PDT · 67 of 565
    eastsider to pgyanke
    Yet we are the Body of Christ and our work is not finished. It could be that another answer is needed.
    Smokin'!

    BTTT

  • Lost Liturgies File and an Invitation: Solemn Sunday Vespers

    03/13/2015 3:08:50 PM PDT · 7 of 7
    eastsider to Salvation

    When school is in session, Vespers are sung every Sunday at 5 pm in Immaculate Conception chapel, Mount St. Mary’s, Emmitsburg, Maryland. One of the transitional deacons from Mount St. Mary’s Seminary celebrates it, aided by seminarian acolytes and lector, and the seminary Vespers Schola leads the chanting from the choir loft. It is a beautiful liturgy.

  • St. Cyril (315-386 AD) articulated teaching on the Eucharist

    03/11/2015 12:51:33 PM PDT · 41 of 42
    eastsider to Elsie; NYer
    One of the ways that Roger Cardinal Mahoney raised money for his Cathedral of the Angels in LA was to sell burial space in the crypt. Gregory Peck was one of the first, if not the first, to be buried there.
  • St. Cyril (315-386 AD) articulated teaching on the Eucharist

    03/11/2015 9:07:36 AM PDT · 38 of 42
    eastsider to NYer; Gamecock
    Thanks for the link to the Jerusalem Catecheses of St. Cyril of Jerusalem, NYer. I found the following additional reference to the Eucharist within St. Cyril's baptismal mystagogy, in which he explicates the meaning of the phrase 'and all his pomp' in the baptismal vows:
    TO THE NEWLY BAPTIZED.
    LECTURE XIX.
    FIRST LECTURE ON THE MYSTERIES.

    * * *

    6. Then thou sayest, "And all his pomp." Now the pomp of the devil is the madness of theatres, and horse-races, and hunting, and all such vanity: from which that holy man praying to be delivered says unto God, Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity. Be not interested in the madness of the theatre, where thou wilt behold the wanton gestures of the players, carried on with mockeries and all unseemliness, and the frantic dancing of effeminate men;—nor in the madness of them who in hunts expose themselves to wild beasts, that they may pamper their miserable appetite; who, to serve their belly with meats, become themselves in reality meat for the belly of untamed beasts; and to speak justly, for the sake of their own god, their belly, they cast away their life headlong in single combats. Shun also horse-races that frantic and soul-subverting spectacle. For all these are the pomp of the devil.

    7. Moreover, the things which are hung up at idol festivals, either meat or bread, or other such things polluted by the invocation of the unclean spirits, are reckoned in the pomp of the devil. For as the Bread and Wine of the Eucharist before the invocation of the Holy and Adorable Trinity were simple bread and wine, while after the invocation the Bread becomes the Body of Christ, and the Wine the Blood of Christ, so in like manner such meats belonging to the pomp of Satan, though in their own nature simple, become profane by the invocation of the evil spirit.

    I also found the following in Cyril's description of the Anaphora:
    LECTURE XXIII.
    (ON THE MYSTERIES. V.)
    ON THE SACRED LITURGY AND COMMUNION.

    * * *

    7. Then having sanctified ourselves by these spiritual Hymns, we beseech the merciful God to send forth His Holy Spirit upon the gifts lying before Him; that He may make the Bread the Body of Christ, and the Wine the Blood of Christ; for whatsoever the Holy Ghost has touched, is surely sanctified and changed.

    8. Then, after the spiritual sacrifice, the bloodless service, is completed, over that sacrifice of propitiation we entreat God for the common peace of the Churches, for the welfare of the world; for kings; for soldiers and allies; for the sick; for the afflicted; and, in a word, for all who stand in need of succour we all pray and offer this sacrifice.

    Check out the following nugget attesting to the early belief in the intercessory prayers of the saints in heaven, as memorialized in the Anaphora:
    9. Then we commemorate also those who have fallen asleep before us, first Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles, Martyrs, that at their prayers and intercessions God would receive our petition. Then on behalf also of the Holy Fathers and Bishops who have fallen asleep before us, and in a word of all who in past years have fallen asleep among us, believing that it will be a very great benefit to the souls, for whom the supplication is put up, while that holy and most awful sacrifice is set forth.

    * * *

    20. After this ye hear the chanter inviting you with a sacred melody to the communion of the Holy Mysteries, and saying, O taste and see that the Lord is good. Trust not the judgment to thy bodily palate no, but to faith unfaltering; for they who taste are bidden to taste, not bread and wine, but the anti-typical Body and Blood of Christ.

    Gamecock, here's the reference to communion in the hand that you mentioned at #10 above (good call):
    21. In approaching therefore, come not with thy wrists extended, or thy fingers spread; but make thy left hand a throne for the right, as for that which is to receive a King. And having hollowed thy palm, receive the Body of Christ, saying over it, Amen. So then after having carefully hollowed thine eyes by the touch of the Holy Body, partake of it; giving heed lest thou lose any portion thereof; for whatever thou losest, is evidently a loss to thee as it were from one of thine own members. For tell me, if any one gave thee grains of gold, wouldest thou not hold them with all carefulness, being on thy guard against losing any of them, and suffering loss? Wilt thou not then much more carefully keep watch, that not a crumb fall from thee of what is more precious than gold and precious stones?
    Next, communion under both species:
    22. Then after thou hast partaken of the Body of Christ, draw near also to the Cup of His Blood; not stretching forth thine hands, but bending, and saying with an air of worship and reverence, Amen, hallow thyself by partaking also of the Blood of Christ. And while the moisture is still upon thy lips, touch it with thine hands, and hallow thine eyes and brow and the other organs of sense. Then wait for the prayer, and give thanks unto God, who hath accounted thee worthy of so great mysteries.

    23. Hold fast these traditions undefiled and, keep yourselves free from offence. Sever not yourselves from the Communion; deprive not yourselves, through the pollution of sins, of these Holy and Spiritual Mysteries. And the God of peace sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit, and soul, and body be preserved entire without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:—To whom be glory and honour and might, with the Father and the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and world without end. Amen.

    Thanks again for the great link, NYer. God bless.
  • St. Cyril (315-386 AD) articulated teaching on the Eucharist

    03/10/2015 3:57:46 PM PDT · 13 of 42
    eastsider to CynicalBear
    Six of the seven churches addressed in Revelation has already gone off track. Now you want us to appeal to someone over 200 years later? What kind of nonsense is that?
    Not one of the churches addressed in Revelation was admonished for misconstruing Christ's words in John 6 to eat his flesh and drink his blood. They are irrelevant to the present discussion.
  • St. Cyril (315-386 AD) articulated teaching on the Eucharist

    03/10/2015 2:36:08 PM PDT · 3 of 42
    eastsider to NYer
    From the Jerusalem Catecheses of St. Cyril of Jerusalem:
    On the night he was betrayed our Lord Jesus Christ took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples and said: “Take, eat: this is my body”. He took the cup, gave thanks and said: “Take, drink: this is my blood”. Since Christ himself has declared the bread to be his body, who can have any further doubt? Since he himself has said quite categorically, This is my blood, who would dare to question it and say that it is not his blood?

    Therefore, it is with complete assurance that we receive the bread and wine as the body and blood of Christ. His body is given to us under the symbol of bread, and his blood is given to us under the symbol of wine, in order to make us by receiving them one body and blood with him. Having his body and blood in our members, we become bearers of Christ and sharers, as Saint Peter says, in the divine nature.

    Once, when speaking to the Jews, Christ said: Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you shall have no life in you. This horrified them and they left him. Not understanding his words in a spiritual way, they thought the Savior wished them to practice cannibalism.

    Under the old covenant there was showbread, but it came to an end with the old dispensation to which it belonged. Under the new covenant there is bread from heaven and the cup of salvation. These sanctify both soul and body, the bread being adapted to the sanctification of the body, the Word, to the sanctification of the soul.

    Do not, then, regard the eucharistic elements as ordinary bread and wine: they are in fact the body and blood of the Lord, as he himself has declared. Whatever your senses may tell you, be strong in faith.

    You have been taught and you are firmly convinced that what looks and tastes like bread and wine is not bread and wine but the body and the blood of Christ. You know also how David referred to this long ago when he sang: Bread gives strength to man’s heart and makes his face shine with the oil of gladness. Strengthen your heart, then, by receiving this bread as spiritual bread, and bring joy to the face of your soul.

    May purity of conscience remove the veil from the face of your soul so that be contemplating the glory of the Lord, as in a mirror, you may be transformed from glory to glory in Christ Jesus our Lord. To him be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

  • We “Go Forward” in the Liturgy When the Sacred is Restored

    03/10/2015 10:15:12 AM PDT · 4 of 4
    eastsider to NKP_Vet
    "We must always go forward. Always forward (applause)! And those who go backward are mistaken…”
    What the pope really meant to say was ...
  • Peter is NOT the Rock of Matthew 16

    03/08/2015 11:24:17 AM PDT · 27 of 203
    eastsider to rabidralph
    Jesus wasn't one to hold back from saying ἐγὼ εἰμί when he meant to identify himself with the I AM of the LXX (see, e.g., Jn 8:58).
  • The Night Prayer of the Church as a “Rehearsal for Death”

    03/06/2015 3:28:55 PM PST · 33 of 54
    eastsider to Old Yeller
    Why do Catholics always read their prayers or pray memorized prayers?
    In high school, we were coached on how to deal with T/F questions we didn't know the answers to. One of the rules was that propositions that included the universals 'always' and 'never' were generally false.
  • The Day God Barged Into My Life: Fr. John Riccardo's Amazing Testimony

    03/03/2015 2:57:38 PM PST · 7 of 19
    eastsider to NYer
    At that very moment, I had an actual vision of our Lord in my car. He sat next to me. It was clear that it was Him. I was still crying. He reached across the seat and dug his right hand into my chest ...
    At that point, I would have driven off the road ...
  • The Conversion of a Catholic Priest

    03/03/2015 2:28:59 PM PST · 54 of 64
    eastsider to piusv

    Look on the bright side: Yvonne is no longer the director of the Confraternity of Christian Doctrine.

  • The Conversion of a Catholic Priest

    03/03/2015 10:51:11 AM PST · 42 of 64
    eastsider to eastsider
    Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

  • The Conversion of a Catholic Priest

    03/03/2015 10:49:57 AM PST · 41 of 64
    eastsider to eastsider
    Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

  • The Conversion of a Catholic Priest

    03/03/2015 10:47:13 AM PST · 40 of 64
    eastsider to eastsider
    Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed art thou amongst women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.

    Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners, now and at the hour of our death. Amen.

  • The Conversion of a Catholic Priest

    03/03/2015 10:39:14 AM PST · 39 of 64
    eastsider to wagglebee
    A sad story, isn't it? Sounds like a Luther redux, marrying an ex-nun nun and all. The timeline suggests they were married right after Vatican II. Doesn't surprise me. We should keep him in our prayers.

    Everyone that had any problem in the neighborhood had to be prayed for with three Hail Mary's each ...
    Three Hail Mary's it is, then ...
  • Hand Gestures at Mass?

    02/25/2015 7:27:26 AM PST · 18 of 21
    eastsider to walkinginthedesert
    When I was cleaning out my father's house a few summers ago, I picked out a pocket-sized Sunday Missal published by the Confraternity of the Precious Blood, Fr. Stedman, Director. These little missals were given to all the servicemen in WWII, and they are gems. The catechesis contained in these missals is incredible!

    Which got me to thinking: Why isn't this being done today in the front of the seasonal missals found in every church? IMO, these people are holding hands during the Our Father, raiding them at the Doxology, and mimicking the orans Because they just don't know any better. (Sad to say, neither do a lot of priests, but that's another story.)

  • Sungenis Claims: "the Church did not receive any divine revelation on the nature of Purgatory"

    02/23/2015 6:50:09 AM PST · 73 of 88
    eastsider to goat granny

    Read 2 Macc 12:39 ff. God bless you.

  • Sungenis Claims: "the Church did not receive any divine revelation on the nature of Purgatory"

    02/22/2015 6:17:14 PM PST · 70 of 88
    eastsider to Legatus
    ... doesn't this just blow the new rite out of the water?
    My dear brother in Christ, Eucharistic Prayer I of the ordinary form contains exactly the same prayer. (I am speaking of the Latin, naturally, not the English translation; I am fond of the older translations as well.)
  • Sungenis Claims: "the Church did not receive any divine revelation on the nature of Purgatory"

    02/22/2015 5:56:50 PM PST · 69 of 88
    eastsider to Iscool
    Of course it does...Live people in that age ...
    The age to come is not simply different in time but different in quality. Cf. Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, 2 ed., (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), "αἰῶν" 2b:
    ὁ αἰῶν μέλλῶν ... opposed to the αἰῶν οὔτος both in time and quality, cf. Mt 12:32 [οὔτε ἐν τούτῳ τῷ αἰῶνι οὔτε ἐν τῷ μέλλοντι]; Eph 1:21 [ἐν τῷ αἰῶνι τούτῳ ἀλλὰ καὶ ἐν τῷ μέλλοντι] ...
    (bold emphasis added).
  • Sungenis Claims: "the Church did not receive any divine revelation on the nature of Purgatory"

    02/22/2015 11:49:01 AM PST · 41 of 88
    eastsider to Campion
    Praying for the dead implies a state or condition in which they can be helped by your prayers, obviously.
    Just as Mt 12:32 ("... whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come") implies the possibility of forgivenes in the age to come.
  • Sungenis Claims: "the Church did not receive any divine revelation on the nature of Purgatory"

    02/22/2015 11:09:16 AM PST · 30 of 88
    eastsider to piusv
    It looks like Sungenis is referring to the nature of it, not the existence of it.
    Worth repeating. BTTT.
  • A Critical Consideration of The Case for Clerical Celibacy (Orthodox/Catholic Caucus)

    02/22/2015 10:23:34 AM PST · 3 of 3
    eastsider to NRx
    Cardinal Stickler attempts to prove far too much. If he were to successfully demonstrate that mandatory clerical celibacy is indeed an apostolic tradition, would this mean that it is beyond the authority of the Church to change the discipline[?]
    Thank you for posting this article and the thread that precipatated your posting it. If you had not posted it, I surely would have missed the prior discussion amidst the intense static interference so often found on this forum ...

    Having read The Case for Clerical Celibacy, my sense was not that Cdl. Stickler was suggesting that celibacy should be required of all rites in union with Rome, but merely that the discipline of celibacy for bishops, priests and transitional deacons in the Latin rite is faithful to the more ancient practice of clerical continence.

    it is instructive to contrast the putative apostolic tradition of clerical continence and the apostolic tradition of reserving the clerical state for men. Regarding the latter, there has never been a time when the Church has ordained female clerics. It is an apostolic tradition that, as St. John Paul the Great wrote in Ordinatio sacerdotalis, "... the Church has no authority whatsoever" to change. Regarding the former, however, even if clerical continence is an apostolic tradition, it evidently has not always been -- and certainly is not presently -- strictly practised.

    Thus, it seems reasonable to conclude that being an apostolic tradition is insufficient per se to render a given praxis immutable.

  • Should Girls Serve at the Altar? A Former Altar Girl Weighs In {Catholic Caucus}

    01/30/2015 1:38:27 AM PST · 12 of 16
    eastsider to Salvation
    Only men may be instituted as lectors or acolytes.
  • Pope Denouces Jihad By "Deviant Forms Of Religion"

    01/12/2015 11:08:04 AM PST · 48 of 65
    eastsider to vladimir998

    So sad, so true. Fast away the new year passes. Fa la la la la, la la la la.

  • Turin Shroud Was Made For Medieval Easter Ritual, Historian Says

    10/24/2014 5:56:21 PM PDT · 61 of 73
    eastsider to Iscool
    They seem to live by and demand 'physical proof' that God exists
    Yeah, like God could actually, like, have a physical body. Sheesh!!! < /s >
  • Gay, Christian and … celibate: The changing face of the homosexuality debate

    08/05/2014 12:41:36 PM PDT · 72 of 77
    eastsider to MrB

    Bravo!

  • Vote backs women bishops

    07/14/2014 9:08:03 AM PDT · 4 of 9
    eastsider to MUDDOG

    Swim for your lives!!!

  • Is The Latin Mass Worse Than Child Rape?

    07/14/2014 8:45:41 AM PDT · 13 of 23
    eastsider to piusv
    What does the author mean by "ideological optimism"?
    I think he's talking about the zeitgeist during the Council. Think JFK and the New Frontier. John XXIII and Let's Open the Windows. MLK Jr's Dream. The Race to the Moon. The Peace Corps. Whether real or imagined, there was a palpable sense of post-WWII optimism, especially among the WWII generation and their kids. They were heady times.

    The "no Latin, no way, no how" crowd are nostalgic progressives. And like all progressives, insufferable and intolerant bullies.
  • Traditional Latin Mass Propers, FOURTH SUNDAY AFTER PENTECOST, 7/6/2014

    07/06/2014 9:03:21 AM PDT · 2 of 3
    eastsider to piusv

    Adiutorium nostrum in nomine Domini

  • Restore Latin to the Mass [Lutheran / LCMS Mass, that is]

    06/26/2014 12:51:55 PM PDT · 62 of 83
    eastsider to SampleMan

    You’re welcome : )

  • Restore Latin to the Mass [Lutheran / LCMS Mass, that is]

    06/26/2014 12:40:38 PM PDT · 60 of 83
    eastsider to SampleMan
    I'm a lecter ...
    An often overlooked benefit of studying Latin is improved spelling skills ...
  • Traditional Latin Mass Propers, Second Sunday after Pentecost, 6/22/14

    06/25/2014 2:26:59 PM PDT · 3 of 4
    eastsider to piusv

    Thanks for posting this and turning me onto the website.

  • Who needs conspiracy theories when the Freemasons openly celebrate Vatican II in the Eternal City?

    06/24/2014 8:57:08 PM PDT · 13 of 16
    eastsider to piusv; RegulatorCountry
    So, you’re saying that the Freemasons took over the Roman Catholic Church via Vatican II?
    Don'l worry, we promise not to laugh ...
  • Francis blessed by Archbishop of Canterbury

    06/22/2014 6:27:12 AM PDT · 123 of 154
    eastsider to Romulus

    How do you construe the “benedicimus te” in the Gloria?

  • Are We Willing to Die for the Mass?

    06/18/2014 5:05:31 PM PDT · 17 of 20
    eastsider to NYer
    The wedding feast of the Lamb has begun
    and his bride is prepared to welcome him.

    Rev 19:7

  • Grace Is Not a Thing

    06/12/2014 3:42:51 PM PDT · 21 of 67
    eastsider to Tax-chick
    One Catholic definition of grace (we use it in Sunday School) is “God’s life in us.” I think that’s exactly what this author is saying.
    This isn't the first time I've seen this kind of agreement across the FR Great Divide regarding grace. Something's afoot. (Can't be grace, though, cause grace ain't a thing : )
  • Traditional Priest Kicked Out Of New York

    06/10/2014 8:47:17 PM PDT · 38 of 62
    eastsider to informavoracious

    B16 was not about smoke and mirrors.

  • Traditional Priest Kicked Out Of New York

    06/10/2014 8:12:27 PM PDT · 33 of 62
    eastsider to ebb tide
    It isn't shrinking in the Diocese of Bridgeport. It's expanding.

    Forgive the sports analogy, but pass the ball to the man who's shooting.

  • Traditional Priest Kicked Out Of New York

    06/10/2014 7:53:46 PM PDT · 27 of 62
    eastsider to ebb tide
    Seek and you shall find, FRiend.

    I'm only saying that the ground east of NYC is fertile. IMO, the collection basket will bring the point home.

  • Traditional Priest Kicked Out Of New York

    06/10/2014 6:54:53 PM PDT · 20 of 62
    eastsider to ebb tide

    Meanwhile, in the diocese just east of NYC - the Diocese of Bridgeport - TLM is expanding, not contracting. It’s an express MetroNorth train ride from Grand Central to St. John the Evangelist basilica, for example. Check the website for the Diocese of Bridgeport on the “Find a Parish” page for Mass times. And a little further up the road at St Mary in Norwalk, there’s a solemn high every Sunday @ 9:30 a.m.

  • Source: Bergdahl physically abused by Taliban

    06/06/2014 3:39:15 PM PDT · 14 of 79
    eastsider to Oldeconomybuyer

    Ambassador Stevens would have appreciated a little concern, too, I’m sure.

  • Catholic Caucus: Favorite Prayers (Vanity)

    05/30/2014 6:40:59 AM PDT · 5 of 14
    eastsider to paterfamilias

    It never ceases to amaze me how many people share their personal devotion to this chaplet whenever I mention it. God bless you.

  • Catholic Caucus: Favorite Prayers (Vanity)

    05/30/2014 6:18:48 AM PDT · 3 of 14
    eastsider to paterfamilias
  • Pope Francis Entrusts Holy Land Pilgrimage to Mary

    05/24/2014 9:38:35 PM PDT · 154 of 187
    eastsider to piusv; kinsman redeemer
    So now I am totally confused. Are you agreeing with Catholic theology or not? Kinsman’s responses made me think you do not.
    I am truly flattered by the suggestion that my post is such a theological Rorshach test that posters from different sides of the Great Divide of FR's Religion Forum can see in it some support for their respective positions. Can the parousia be far behind?

    Seriously, I am a Catholic Christian who is deeply in love with the Lord for his having first loved me ('who is forgiven much loves much'), and I want nothing more than to be a witness to his mercy and love and to glorify his holy name (and here I but echo Mary's words at Lk 1:49).

    kinsman, you asked at #105 that I declare: "What efficacy is there in intercessory prayer - other that through Jesus Christ?" Although it's really outside the scope of my interest on this thread, I feel I owe you some kind of reply for three reasons: (1) your question is directly related to the article at the top of this thread (how novel!); (2) the two of us registered on FR during the same year (and, I'm sure, were similarly motivated to do so by the shameful behavior of the Rapist-in-Chief), so I feel a certain bond between us; and (3) you asked me so danged politely : )

    Here's the general outline of my reply:

    Paul is clear at 1Tim 2:5 that there is only one mediator between God and man, and that one mediator is the God-man Christ Jesus. Through baptism, we are all incorporated into the Body of Christ (cf. 1 Cor. 12:13), and as members of his Body, we mediate God's graces to others. For example, we say colloquially that Peter raised Tabitha from the dead (Acts 9), but as Christ said on the occasion of his raising of Lazarus from the dead (Jn 11), "I am the resurrection and the life." Do these two episodes contradict one another? Can we say that Peter raised Tabitha? Sure, we can say it, as long as we understand that Christ is the one doing the heaving lifting here and that Peter is mediating God's gift of life to Tabitha. (I am careful here to point out that we do need to acknowledge the response of faith on the part of any such 'secondary' or 'derivative' mediator for any secondary mediation, if you will, of God's grace; indeed, Christ himself had trouble working miracles in Nazareth because of the people's lack of faith (cf Mk 6:4-5)). The point is that we have plenty of evidence to support the notion that Christians can mediate God's grace.

    Now I realize that you want to know whether a Christian who is asleep in Christ (i.e., dead) can mediate for us (or intercede for us -- and I freely confess that in this truncated reply I am using to mediate and to intercede interchangeably). But that's not what you asked, and for a number of reasons I'm arbitrarily giving only one bite of the apple tonight on this question.

    Peace.