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  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 3:36:01 PM PDT · 49 of 59
    Elsie to boatbums
    SO many rules; and I thought being a Mormon Missionary was hard!!!


    The Rules

    1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
    2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
    3. Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church.
    4. Don't debate or argue.
    5. Center your mind on your mission.
    6. Dress conservatively. Elders: white shirts, conservative ties, and business suits. Sisters: conservative colors and skirts that cover your knees. No floor-length skirts or dresses.
    7. Cut your hair regularly.
    8. Keep your hair clean and neatly combed at all times in the approved style.
    9. Be neat and clean.
    10. Bathe frequently.
    11. Use deodorant.
    12. Polish your shoes.
    13. Iron your shirt and business suit.
    14. Arise at 6:30 A.M.
    15. Study for 2 hours every morning.
    16. Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M.
    17. Turn off your lights at 10:30 P.M.
    18. Exercise regularly.
    19. Write in your journal regularly.
    20. Follow the "Missionary Gospel Study Program" (31157) for your personal study.
    21. Regularly study the Missionary Guide and the Discussions.
    22. Attend Sunday priesthood or Relief Society meetings, Sunday School, and sacrament meeting.
    23. Attend the general session of Stake Conference.
    24. Attend general conference broadcasts if available.
    25. Avoid all other church meetings unless you have a special assignment or are brining an investigator.
    26. Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you'll find people home.
    27. End your preparation day at 6:00 P.M. and proselytize from 6:00 P.M. to 9:30 P.M.
    28. Wear your missionary uniform in public on preparation day while not engaged in recreational activities.
    29. Arise at 6:30 on preparation day and study for 2 hours from the approved books.
    30. Take care of your physical preparation for the week on preparation day: wash your clothes, clean your apartment, wash your car, get your haircut, and shop for groceries.
    31. Write to your parents every week on preparation day.
    32. Write less frequently to your siblings, friends, and acquaintances.
    33. Don't communicate with any friends or acquaintances that are within or close to your mission boundaries, except as a part of official mission business.
    34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
    35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
    36. Do not go on road trips.
    37. Do not leave your assigned area without permission
    38. Do not watch television.
    39. Do not view unauthorized videocassettes.
    40. Do not listen to the radio.
    41. Do not listen to unauthorized audiocassettes or CD’s.
    42. Do not participate in musical groups.
    43. Do not participate in athletic teams.
    44. Do not sponsor athletic teams.
    45. Do not engage in contact sports.
    46. Do not engage in water sports.
    47. Do not engage in winter sports.
    48. Do not engage in motorcycling.
    49. Do not engage in horseback riding.
    50. Do not engage in mountain climbing.
    51. Do not embark on a private boat.
    52. Do not embark in a private airplane.
    53. Do not handle firearms.
    54. Do not handle explosives.
    55. Do not swim.
    56. Do not play full court basketball.
    57. Do not play basketball in leagues.
    58. Do not play basketball in tournaments.
    59. You may play half-court basketball.
    60. Never be alone.
    61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is "having difficulties".
    62. Be loyal to your companion.
    63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
    64. Pray with your companion every day.
    65. Study with your companion every day.
    66. Plan your work with your companion every day.
    67. Take time at least once a week for companionship inventory.
    68. Seek to be one in spirit and purpose and help each other succeed.
    69. Always address your companion as Elder or Sister.
    70. Sleep in the same bedroom as your companion.
    71. Do not sleep in the same bed as your companion.
    72. Do not arise before your companion.
    73. Do not retire after your companion. (apparently, being together is more important than getting the correct amount of sleep that your unique body requires.)
    74. Frequently study with your companion the Missionary Guide section on companions.
    75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
    76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex (conversely, they don't mention whether or not it is against the rules to associate inappropriately with anyone of the same sex).
    77. Do not flirt.
    78. Do not date.
    79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries.
    80. Do not visit a single or divorced person of the opposite sex unless accompanied by a couple or another adult member of your sex.
    81. Try to teach single investigators in a member’s home or have missionaries of the same sex teach them.
    82. Always follow the above rules, even if the situation seems harmless.
    83. Use the commitment pattern to get referrals from members.
    84. Keep your dinner visits with member briefs and during the customary dinner hour in the area.
    85. Remember to say thank you to those who feed you.
    86. Visit members and nonmembers only at appropriate times.
    87. Do not counsel or give medical treatment.
    88. Do not stay in the homes of people when they are on vacation.
    89. Only write letters to family members and friends at home.
    90. Do not telephone parents
    91. Do not telephone relatives.
    92. Do not telephone friends.
    93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
    94. Contact your mission president in case of an emergency.
    95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
    96. Do not write to the President of the Church or to other General Authorities. Letters from missionaries to General Authorities are referred back to the mission president
    97. Respect the customs, traditions, and property of the people who you are trying to convert.
    98. Obey all mission rules.
    99. Obey the laws of the land.
    100. Do not get involved in politics.
    101. Do not get involved in commercial activities.
    102. Do not give any information about the area.
    103. Respect the customs and cultures of those who you are trying to convert to your own customs and culture.
    104. Respect the beliefs, practices, and sites of other religions.
    105. Do not say or write anything bad about the political and cultural circumstances where you serve.
    106. Do not become involved in adoption proceedings.
    107. Do not suggest or encourage emigration. (This rule is a bit ironic, given the now-defunct doctrine of gathering the believers to Zion)
    108. Be courteous.
    109. Provide community service.
    110. Do not provide community service that isn’t approved by your mission president.
    111. Do not provide more than 4 hours a week of community service.
    112. Do not provide community service during the evening, weekend or holidays—those are peek proselytizing times.
    113. Your mission president must approve your housing.
    114. Keep your housing unit clean.
    115. Do not live with single or divorced people of the opposite sex.
    116. Do not live where the spouse is frequently absent.
    117. Your living unit must have a private bath and entrance.
    118. You may occasionally fast for a special reason, but generally the monthly fast is sufficient.
    119. Do not fast longer than 24 hours at a time.
    120. Do not ask friends, relatives, and members to join in special fasts for investigators.
    121. Maintain your health.
    122. Eat a healthy diet.
    123. Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30.
    124. Follow the approved exercise program.
    125. Keep your body, clothes, dishes, linens, towels and housing unit clean.
    126. Dispose of your garbage properly and promptly.
    127. Follow the safety rules for all of your stuff.
    128. Seek medical care if you are in an accident or become sick.
    129. Be immunized.
    130. Spend your money only on things relating to your mission.
    131. Budget your money carefully.
    132. Keep a record of what you spend.
    133. Do not spend more than your companion.
    134. Do not loan money.
    135. Do not borrow money.
    136. Keep a reserve fund of $50 to $100 at all times for transfers.
    137. Pay your bills before leaving an area.
    138. Pay cash for all resale literature and supplies ordered from the mission office.
    139. Do not waste money on souvenirs.
    140. Do not waste money on unnecessary items.
    141. Be a frugal photographer.
    142. Do not accumulate excess baggage.
    143. Obey custom laws and regulations.
    144. Pay fast offerings each fast Sunday to the bishop or branch president where you serve.
    145. Pay tithing on outside sources of income (i.e. interest) to your home bishop or branch president.
    146. Evaluate your funds a few months before the end of your mission. If you have more than you need, ask that less be sent so that you can return home without excess money.
    147. Do not drive without a license.
    148. Drive only Church-owned vehicles.
    149. Do not drive members’ cars.
    150. Do not drive nonmembers’ cars.
    151. Do not give rides to members or investigators in Church-owned cars.
    152. Use cars only on approved mission business.
    153. Use cars only within the assigned geographical area.
    154. Be conscious of safety at all times.
    155. Drive defensively.
    156. Wear your seat belt.
    157. Pray for the Lord’s protection while driving.
    158. If your companion is driving, assist him or her.
    159. Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer.
    160. Know bicycle safety rules.
    161. Use extreme caution on your bicycle.
    162. Do not ride your bicycle after dark.
    163. Do not ride your bicycle in heavy traffic.
    164. Do not ride your bicycle in adverse weather conditions.
    165. Go directly to your new area when transferred.
    166. Find your new companion without delay when transferred.
    167. Have a maximum of two suitcases and a briefcase.
  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 3:34:19 PM PDT · 18 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger

    So; instead of holding tight to the rod of iron; a tube of iron holds tight to thee.

    I see...

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 3:32:49 PM PDT · 17 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger

    Nature abhors a vacuum.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:29:19 PM PDT · 918 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    Are you a Jehovah’s Witness? They don’t believe in the Trinity, either.



     

    If you have cable TV, there won’t be much on to watch.


     

     

     

     

    If there isn’t much on to watch, you will answer your door whenever someone rings.


     

     

     

     

    If you open your door, you will see mormons.


     

     

     

     

    If you talk to mormons, they will trick you into “praying about whether something is true”.


     

     

     

     

    If you rely on your feelings, you may become a mormon.


     

     

     

     

    If you become a mormon, you will have to wear magic underwear!


     

     

     

     

    If you wear magic underwear, people will immediately label you as a cultist.


    DON’T be a cultist!
    Get DirectTV.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:28:20 PM PDT · 917 of 939
    Elsie to Legatus
    7th Day Adventists also don’t believe in the Trinity... I think...

    I wonder if these groups believe in the Binary; seeing how it is SO plain in Genesis chapter one:


    26 Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:22:31 PM PDT · 914 of 939
    Elsie to MamaB
    I thought there were only a few religions which do not believe in the Trinity. —— Mormons, Christian Scientists and Jehovah Witnesses plus Muslims.

    The MORMONs seem a bit conflicted about it...



     

    Trinity:

     

    found in the Book of MORMON        -----------   rejected in the Doctrines and Covenants 

    Book of Mormon:

    Now Zeezrom said: Is there more than one God? And he answered, No. (Alma 11:28-29)

    ...and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil. (Alma 11:44)

    ...doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen. (2 Nephi 31:21)

    ...praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end. (Mormon 7:7)

    ...power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son--And they are one God, yea, the very Eternal Father of heaven and of earth. And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (Mosiah 15:3-5)

    ...of Jared, that whoso should possess this land of promise, from that time henceforth and forever, should serve him, the true and only God, or they should be swept off when the fulness of his wrath should come upon them. (Ether 2:8)


    "Behold, I am Jesus Christ the Son of God. I created the heavens and the earth, and all things that in them are. I was with the Father from the beginning. I am in the Father, and the Father in me; and in me hath the Father glorified his name." (3 Nephi 9:15)


    "And again the Lord called others, and said unto them likewise; and he gave unto them power to baptize. And he said unto them: On this wise shall ye baptize; and there shall be no disputations among you. Verily I say unto you, that whoso repenteth of his sins through your words and desireth to be baptized in my name, on this wise shall ye baptize them--Behold, ye shall go down and stand in the water, and in my name shall ye baptize them. And now behold, these are the words which ye shall say, calling them by name, saying: Having authority given me of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. And then shall ye immerse them in the water, and come forth again out of the water. And after this manner shall ye baptize in my name; for behold, verily I say unto you, that the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost are one; and I am in the Father, and the Father in me, and the Father and I are one...And thus will the Father bear record of me, and the Holy Ghost will bear record unto him of the Father and me; for the Father, and I, and the Holy Ghost are one." (3 Nephi 11:22-27, 36)

    Doctrine and Covenants:

    According to that which was ordained in the midst of the Council of the Eternal God of all other gods before this world was, that should be reserved unto the finishing and the end thereof, when every man shall enter into his eternal presence and into his immortal rest. (Section 121:32)

    And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that covenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God. And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and everlasting covenant, and it is sealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of promise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the keys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them--Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths--then shall it be written in the Lamb's Book of Life, that he shall commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them. (Section 132:18-20)

    Abraham received concubines, and they bore him children; and it was accounted unto him for righteousness, because they were given unto him, and he abode in my law; as Isaac also and Jacob did none other things than that which they were commanded; and because they did none other things than that which they were commanded, they have entered into their exaltation, according to the promises, and sit upon thrones, and are not angels but are gods. (Section 132:37)

     

     
  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:20:23 PM PDT · 913 of 939
    Elsie to OneWingedShark
    Please feel free to posit your interpretation(s) thereof.

    It says EXACTLY what it means.

    Although I suppose that YOUR definitions of HATE and LOVE may not be the same as mine.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:18:53 PM PDT · 912 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    All through it.

    That's a mighty BIG haystack - got any clues as to make it a bit easier to find the needle?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:17:32 PM PDT · 911 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    So you don’t believe in the Trinity, either?

    can't you use your OWN straw?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:16:54 PM PDT · 910 of 939
    Elsie to Legatus
    So you reject the Holy Trinity then, cause that's the next line?

    HuH?

    I clearly said what I reject:

    Even the goofy RCCatholicism claims about Mary and her superpowers?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 11:02:19 AM PDT · 878 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    The creed itself uses the language of public worship, speaking of the worship of God rather than the language of belief ("Now this is the catholic faith: We worship one God").
     
    Seems like they should have STOPPED here...
  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:57:25 AM PDT · 877 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3

    Even the goofy RCCatholicism claims about Mary and her superpowers?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:56:56 AM PDT · 876 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3

    Nope.

    Where is it found in the bible?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:56:07 AM PDT · 875 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    If someone says, “I love God,”...

    If someone says, “MY church's interpretation of the Scriptures is the ONLY true one...

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:54:48 AM PDT · 15 of 21
    Elsie to Elsie

    The Doctrine and Covenants

    Section 132

    Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.
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    58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.


     

    58 Now, as touching the law of the apriesthood, there are many things pertaining thereunto.

    59 Verily, if a man be called of my Father, as was aAaron, by mine own voice, and by the voice of him that bsent me, and I have endowed him with the ckeys of the power of this priesthood, if he do anything in my name, and according to my law and by my word, he will not commit dsin, and I will justify him.

    60 Let no one, therefore, set on my servant Joseph; for I will justify him; for he shall do the sacrifice which I require at his hands for his transgressions, saith the Lord your God.

    61 And again, as pertaining to the law of the priesthood—if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse aanother, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery for they are given unto him; for he cannot commit adultery with that that belongeth unto him and to no one else.

    62 And if he have aten virgins given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery, for they belong to him, and they are given unto him; therefore is he justified.

    63 But if one or either of the ten virgins, after she is espoused, shall be with another man, she has committed adultery, and shall be destroyed; for they are given unto him to amultiply and replenish the earth, according to my commandment, and to fulfil the promise which was given by my Father before the foundation of the world, and for their exaltation in the eternal worlds, that they may bear the souls of men; for herein is the work of my Father continued, that he may be bglorified.

    64 And again, verily, verily, I say unto you, if any man have a wife, who holds the keys of this power, and he teaches unto her the law of my priesthood, as pertaining to these things, then shall she believe and administer unto him, or she shall be destroyed, saith the Lord your God; for I will destroy her; for I will magnify my name upon all those who receive and abide in my law.

    65 Therefore, it shall be lawful in me, if she receive not this law, for him to receive all things whatsoever I, the Lord his God, will give unto him, because she did not believe and administer unto him according to my word; and she then becomes the transgressor; and he is exempt from the law of Sarah, who administered unto Abraham according to the law when I commanded Abraham to take aHagar to wife.

    66 And now, as pertaining to this law, verily, verily, I say unto you, I will reveal more unto you, hereafter; therefore, let this suffice for the present. Behold, I am Alpha and Omega. Amen.

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:51:05 AM PDT · 14 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger
    Hard to understand a mentality of such idiotic obedience.

    But; when you consider...

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:49:39 AM PDT · 13 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger

    Dang!

    I’ve been OUTTED quite severely!

    This thread is going to turn out to be udderly silly!

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:48:45 AM PDT · 12 of 21
    Elsie to truth_seeker

    Hey!!!!

    SMTA

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:42:47 AM PDT · 10 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger
    ...curious travelers...

    Bi or tri or quad???

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:42:01 AM PDT · 9 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger
    Jessop expects the inn to cater to curious travelers and former members of the sect who have left voluntarily or because they were exiled.

    If ya happen to checkin with only ONE wife; can the concierge scrounge up another or two for ya???

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:39:12 AM PDT · 8 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger
    It was never lived in, it doesn’t have any spooky history,” Jessop said.

    Dang!

    I shudda read the WHOLE thing before posting!

  • B&B opens at site of former polygamous compound

    07/30/2014 10:38:02 AM PDT · 7 of 21
    Elsie to Utah Binger

    I would imagine the Breakfast part I could identify with; but my imagination just runs WILD! at the thought of what had happened in the Bed part(s)!!!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:36:08 AM PDT · 873 of 939
    Elsie to editor-surveyor
    LOL!
  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:35:18 AM PDT · 872 of 939
    Elsie to editor-surveyor

    Don’t quote me, but I think it’s because a certain font is not present on one of the computers, and another will get substituted for it.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:33:49 AM PDT · 870 of 939
    Elsie to af_vet_1981
    Both Luther and Hitler proved to be rebellious, ex-communicated Catholics who shared a common, ancient, hatred of the Jews you can source to the serpent in Genesis or dragon in Revelation.

    And just how many corpses did THEY dig up and chop their fingers off?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:32:36 AM PDT · 869 of 939
    Elsie to Cronos
    the following are all pictures of Protestant pastors

    HMMMmmm...

    I thought that the Church of Invisibility did not ALLOW images of it's pastors to be published; and yet, there they are, in plain sight, in pix #3 and #4!!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:29:04 AM PDT · 868 of 939
    Elsie to Cronos
    CB — your post 729 is not fair. if he looks like a Catholic priest in public, that’s not relevant to his statement that posters on internet forums, who presumably don’t meet him in person, toss their anti-Catholic comments at him, when they are not relevant to him

    But...

    ...does he NOURISH this misconception?

    It seems to me that someone who looks likje Brad Pitt in public, and isn't, and does not LIKE being taken for him; would somehow change his appearance, other than complaining about what other people see.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 10:26:05 AM PDT · 866 of 939
    Elsie to Utah Binger
    A church building would be days away but they had God’s handiwork every day. They worshiped God in all His glory.

    I think you are mentioned here...

    ;^)

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:35:29 AM PDT · 42 of 59
    Elsie to Legatus
    God didn't choose the pope any more than He chooses the POTUS.

    Oh???


    Romans 13:1
    Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:32:29 AM PDT · 41 of 59
    Elsie to Legatus
    God didn't choose the pope any more than He chooses the POTUS.

    I don't know...

    It could be claimed that Rome has it's OWN Obama!!!

    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/27/pope-francis-seems-reluctant-to-be-pope-preferring-title-bishop-rome-in-hint/

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:27:50 AM PDT · 40 of 59
    Elsie to Legatus

    Vicar:

    In canon law, the representative of a person clothed with ordinary ecclesiastical jurisdiction.

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:26:49 AM PDT · 39 of 59
    Elsie to BlatherNaut
    No dilemma whatsoever, since dogma is immutable, VII was pastoral (not infallible) and popes are only infallible under specific conditions.

    Ergo...

    ...a VAST waste of time!

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:25:05 AM PDT · 38 of 59
    Elsie to ebb tide
    Here's a command:

    To whom?

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:24:28 AM PDT · 37 of 59
    Elsie to ebb tide
    I just did.

    No; you did not.

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:23:56 AM PDT · 35 of 59
    Elsie to ebb tide
    Did Luther exclude the above from your bible?

    Where's the PRAYER; Luther hater!

  • Dear Gabby

    07/30/2014 6:22:13 AM PDT · 34 of 59
    Elsie to metmom
    Question:And just what the heck is "the solitary Ark of Salvation"?



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  • Lambs to the GMO Slaughter

    07/30/2014 6:17:23 AM PDT · 37 of 37
    Elsie to Kaslin
    Humans will ALL die of SOMETHING!

    Have you made YOUR plans?

  • Lambs to the GMO Slaughter

    07/30/2014 6:17:01 AM PDT · 36 of 37
    Elsie to Kaslin
    And worst of all, as the old song goes, it may be "killing you softly."

    News FLASH!!

    Humans will ALL die of SOMETHING!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 6:15:07 AM PDT · 842 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    “Whosoever will be saved, before all things it is necessary that he hold the catholic faith.
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    All who adhere to the Creeds hold to the “catholic” faith, the most basic of beliefs among Christians.

    Even the goofy RCCatholicism claims about Mary and her superpowers?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 6:12:34 AM PDT · 841 of 939
    Elsie to af_vet_1981

    We don’t really HATE Luther; we just Blame him for them damned Prots and Hitler; too!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 6:10:46 AM PDT · 840 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    ... and it took less than 30 posts for the ignorant prots to turn it into an anti-Catholic scree.
     
     
    This has been addressed already. Are you IGNORING previous replies on this?
     
     
     
     
     
    To: verga
    I noticed that it took the "christians" here less than 30 posts to turn it anti-Catholic, and less than 100 to turn it into full blown tidal wave of anti-Catholicism, which is pretty funny since you are not Catholic.

    Considering the TITLE of the thread:

    Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    Why did it take so LONG?

    663 posted on ‎7‎/‎28‎/‎2014‎ ‎9‎:‎34‎:‎32‎ ‎PM by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
     
     
  • Pope in Caserta asks pardon for persecution of Pentecostals

    07/30/2014 6:03:49 AM PDT · 73 of 77
    Elsie to metmom

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Charismatic_Renewal

  • Poor John Kerry, He's Trying So Hard!

    07/30/2014 3:58:32 AM PDT · 20 of 20
    Elsie to Kaslin

    Poor John Kerry, He's SO Trying!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:56:51 AM PDT · 827 of 939
    Elsie to Cronos
    verga, you should also remember that while some are cynical, bear with it as they read the Bible they want to, coming up with theology like "Gap theory" that the world was created twice -- once in Genesis 1:1 and the second in the next few verses.

    HMMMmmm...

    I must have missed this idea in this thread.

    Which reply number contained it?

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:54:26 AM PDT · 826 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    That’s about the most ignorant thing you have said yet.

    It appears that you are anticipating an even more ignorant statement in the future.


    Remember that 'ignorant' means a lack of knowledge.

    Insulting may have been the word you should have used.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:51:26 AM PDT · 825 of 939
    Elsie to xone
    The Catholic Hitler and his ilk had innumerable examples of anti-Semitic literature to draw from, and blaming Luther's 500 year old TJATL as a the sole cause of their actions is pitiable.

    If a person is drowning; there is NO way you can pry the straw from between his fingers.

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:50:05 AM PDT · 824 of 939
    Elsie to af_vet_1981

    We do NOT hate Luther!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:49:01 AM PDT · 823 of 939
    Elsie to michaelwlf3
    Why should I have to change my image because you and your little friends here can’t act like Christians?

    Galatians 5:12
    As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

  • Why do Protestant lay people hate clergy?

    07/30/2014 3:47:42 AM PDT · 822 of 939
    Elsie to editor-surveyor
    Peter's, "ἀναγεννάω" (anagennaō) is not really a birth at all, but a change in state of mind, a regeneration, to follow Yeshua.

    1 Corinthians 14:27
    No more than two or three should speak in tongues. They must speak one at a time, and someone must interpret what they say.