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Posts by EyeSalveRich

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  • Hacker Targets Clinton Confidant In New Attack

    03/16/2013 11:35:26 AM PDT · 12 of 12
    EyeSalveRich to yoe

    I hope some of Guccifer’s evidence gets some of these conspirtors prosecuted.

  • Calvin Coolidge and the Moral Case for Economy

    03/11/2013 1:03:22 PM PDT · 1 of 12
    Imprimis is a regular source of educated conservatism. This article is worthy reading for all conservatives, especially Reaganites. Reduce taxes AND spending AND debt.
  • Make cuts hurt: email reveals

    03/06/2013 9:41:59 AM PST · 29 of 32
    EyeSalveRich to LibsRJerks
    <> Take heart. there are still a lot of people that haven't drunk the Kool-Aid. While we have lost many freedoms, we still have a lot compared to some countries.
  • Make cuts hurt: email reveals

    03/06/2013 9:37:38 AM PST · 28 of 32
    EyeSalveRich to toast

    I agree local spending is out of control. The problem- brainwashing. Everyone is totally convinced of socialist ideas about gov’t. Those ideas work their way into all levels of gov’t

  • Make cuts hurt: email reveals

    03/06/2013 9:32:23 AM PST · 27 of 32
    EyeSalveRich to blackdog
    What a great idea. From you mouth to Anonymous hackers group's ears.
  • Make cuts hurt: email reveals

    03/06/2013 9:29:31 AM PST · 25 of 32
    EyeSalveRich to The Working Man
    From your mouth to the hearts of the people.
  • Make cuts hurt: email reveals

    03/06/2013 8:17:19 AM PST · 1 of 32
    Earlier I said, "The problem is that they go out of their way to make sure that any cuts happen in the most high-profile, painful places, while leaving fat in place. That way they are assured to continue their treachery." It is nice to see actual confirmation of what we already knew.
  • Socialism and American Poor

    03/06/2013 7:41:42 AM PST · 1 of 10
    Someone recently suggested "The shift from capitalism to socialism means that the poor live better than they used to, but that they have nowhere to go." While the poor are certainly left with nowhere to go. They clearly do not live better.
  • Bullied Boy Dies in Hospital: Family

    03/04/2013 9:11:48 AM PST · 20 of 28
    EyeSalveRich to V_TWIN; ScottinVA

    Unfortunately it does not take long to do brain damage.

    Children today watch ridiculous violence presented in games and media in unrelistic ways. They see things that would kill people, and the guy just gets up and takes several more of the same. They may not have actually realized that their action were life threatening.

    Of course that does not excuse it. The minimum charge should be manslaughter.

  • STOCK MARKET BOOM: Here's Why This Bull Market Could Continue For Years

    03/04/2013 9:05:58 AM PST · 18 of 20
    EyeSalveRich to blam; jmaroneps37
    Revelation 18:11 “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more This is a consumer driven economy. Stop buying non-necessities, and everything falls.

    The only major positive signs I see is that China has a billion people who are only beginning to be consumers, and that the FED is likely to keep interest rates low for quite some time.

    But the overall debt, gdp, employment and real estate markets are all very bad.

  • STOCK MARKET BOOM: Here's Why This Bull Market Could Continue For Years

    03/04/2013 9:00:21 AM PST · 15 of 20
    EyeSalveRich to blam; jmaroneps37
    Revelation 18:11 “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more This is a consumer driven economy. Stop buying non-necessities, and everything falls.

    The only major positive signs I see is that China has a billion people who are only beginning to be consumers, and that the FED is likely to keep interest rates low for quite some time.

    But the overall debt, gdp, employment and real estate markets are all very bad.

  • The Customary Crisis

    03/01/2013 9:29:24 AM PST · 4 of 8
    EyeSalveRich to Kaslin

    The problem is that they go out of their way to make sure that any cuts happen in the most high-profile, painful places, while leaving fat in place. That way they are assured to continue their treachery.

    Bring it on. Pain is coming. Serious pain. It will be sooner or later. The more we enslave our descendants to balooning debt, the greater the pain will be. Let’s kill it now.

  • Waco 20 Years Later: The ATF Raid

    02/27/2013 11:39:10 AM PST · 74 of 91
    EyeSalveRich to winodog

    The problem is that those accusations, which were made by a disgruntled member in a power struggle, were investigated throroughly by local police and social services and they were dismissed as unfounded.

    EXPECT that the media, and the government are lying to you, and falsely accusing people. Then if it ever comes to a court case, and a jury (not a judge) shows it to be true, you can be pleasantly surprised that for at least once they did not lie.

  • Waco 20 Years Later: The ATF Raid

    02/27/2013 11:32:55 AM PST · 73 of 91
    EyeSalveRich to Sybeck1

    since no one else mentioned it. Let’s not forget we have the recording of the 911 call by Koresh at the beginning. That is damning to the gov’t’s lies about the start of it.

  • Waco 20 Years Later: The ATF Raid

    02/27/2013 10:36:09 AM PST · 68 of 91
    EyeSalveRich to Sybeck1

    since no one else mentioned it. Let’s not forget we have the recording of the 911 call by Koresh at the beginning. That is damning to the gov’t’s lies about the start of it.

  • Waco 20 Years Later: The ATF Raid

    02/27/2013 10:33:55 AM PST · 67 of 91
    EyeSalveRich to ctdonath2

    don’t forget about the New Orleans gun confiscations.

  • Waco 20 Years Later: The ATF Raid

    02/27/2013 8:58:49 AM PST · 11 of 91
    EyeSalveRich to Sybeck1
    In coming weeks we will hear from others who were inside the compound during the siege and fire, with a very different take on what happened there.

    I hope so, because that was one huge mass of misinformation.

    Waco was a lesson learned for the gov't. After that the militia grew like wildfire in a drought. They know the American people are armed and have a tolerance level. They depend on that tolerance level by gradually compromising each generation a little more than the last, so that they can win without firing a shot.

  • Self Defense Inside the Home: Avoiding over-penetration -

    02/27/2013 8:48:01 AM PST · 12 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to EXCH54FE

    Shotgun slugs are REALLY dangerous in the sense of if you miss your target it can go through a few walls in your house, go over to the neighbor’s house, go through their wall and still kill them.

    Yes 9mm has some reasonable potential for the same, just much less so. That is especially true if you don’t buy the more expensive rounds designed for defense.

    I read a study a while back that showed the best overall in home defensive gun/ammo was a 12 guage with #1 buck. Maximum lethality with minimum potential for peripheral damage.

    22LR in a handgun is an underated round as well.

  • The America Dream

    02/27/2013 8:38:46 AM PST · 4 of 4
    EyeSalveRich to Dr. Thorne

    I never even thought about it from that slant. Interesting.

  • Health Dept.: Homeless Can’t Eat Deer Meat (in Shreveport, LA)

    02/27/2013 6:06:11 AM PST · 11 of 32
    EyeSalveRich to Timber Rattler

    <“It’s not ever been shown to be contagious to humans,” LaCour said.>

    It reminds me of the Robin Hood movies. You can’t eat the king’s deer.

  • Capitalism: A Hate Story

    02/27/2013 5:48:35 AM PST · 7 of 12
    EyeSalveRich to expat1000
    I am not sure what your point is. You seemed to ramble a just a pinch. No offense meant.

    Points I think you may have been trying to make that I agree with.

    1. The accumulation of wealth as the fruits of labor used to benefit society is not wrong, no matter the quantity. Yup. That is a part of free-enterprise.
    2. Government forcibly redistributing wealth is wrong, doesn’t work, and historic attempts are miserable failures. Yup. That is socialism/communism.
    3. The people leading the complaining about wealth distribution are at least in part led by the wealthy. Ironic huh.

    However, you mentioned the lack of conspiracy. Once it seemed sarcastic, and the other time serious. ? Woodrow Wilson (I quoted elsewhere), the founding fathers, and even Jesus Christ warned us about conspiracy. Make no mistake about it there is a criminal conspiracy to undermine America, and there are extremely wealthy and powerful people involved.

    You mention mobility between classes and the lack of aspiring merchants. What I see is a government that has so regulated everything, and sponsored such a fiscal nightmare that it is very difficult for an aspiring merchant to do anything.

    Again, I encourage everyone to read up about the differences between capitalism and free enterprise.

    Also I don't really believe under even mild socialism that the poor live better than under the type of system of founding fathers created, or God intended.

  • The America Dream

    02/27/2013 4:20:44 AM PST · 1 of 4
  • Maybe Karl Rove Has a Point

    02/27/2013 3:47:57 AM PST · 213 of 214
    EyeSalveRich to Servant of the Cross; cuban leaf

    Servant of the Cross, I take it that you are a Christian. Good. Don’t think that I am some blind follower of Ron Paul. I have some definite disagreements with him. I voted for him because of these facts.
    1. He is a professing Christian. God is of supreme importance
    2. He is a staunch constitutionalist and has both the voting record and personal life to back that up. The constitution IS the SUPREME law of this land. So I consider it a bit important to have someone who is a staunch supporter of it.
    3. A major plank of his is to reduce federal government spending and power without raising taxes. He has the voting record to show for it. He is the only major candidate I know of the supports abolishing the Department Of Education, and putting education back in the hands of the states and communities. The DOE is a primary factor in the loss of the next generation. I consider our children VERY important.
    4. He is the only major candidate I am aware of which has stood against the Federal Reserve, the biggest band of criminals in the history of mankind, financially enslaving the world. I consider the financial enslavement of the world a major issue.
    Maybe you have other priorities. Okay. But I would at least think you could respect the priorities above. Two of the links you provided were about his bin laden stance. I would think you could at least respect his strong constitutional position that it is not our place to assassinate citizens of other sovereign countries, without declaring war. You may disagree with that. But it is hard to deny if you respect the rule of law.

    Please, servant of the cross, tell me who you voted for, and why. I hope it wasn’t for Romney. He is a member of what most Christians consider a cult. He is completely untrustworthy and has flip-flopped on every critical issue. He stands for nothing, and would only have led America down a mildly modified Obama path of more socialism.

    Every president in either party except for Andrew Jackson has taken on more debt, and increased the size of the Federal government. Andrew Jackson on the other hand took a firm stand against the banksters, and eliminated the national debt.

  • Maybe Karl Rove Has a Point

    02/26/2013 9:23:15 AM PST · 208 of 214
    EyeSalveRich to C. Edmund Wright; arderkrag; cuban leaf; Servant of the Cross

    Well at least you indirectly answered one of my questions. You do reject history. Reagan signed into law many bills which ballooned the debt-to-gdp ratio. You deny that. Saying he was really against these things, doesn’t change the fact that his signature is on them. He, as chief executive, has culpability. You cannot blame the democrats for him pushing for very high military spending. Clearly you are a Reagan worshipper. I would agree that he was one of the best presidents of the last hundred years, but that doesn’t mean I am not willing to discuss bad things like spending money you don’t have. If you want to argue that “the end justifies the means” that is a different argument, but be clear about what you are saying.

    The other point you also indirectly answered by your posts to others and me. You prefer the slow loss of freedom to taking a stand for restoring good government. There are different ways to take a stand to restore good government.
    1. You can vote for someone who espouses it, or preferably has a reliable record of it like Ron Paul. You clearly vehemently oppose that kind of a stand for what is right, and would rather vote for a neo-con traitor.
    2. You can persuasively fight for the hearts and minds of men to embrace the ideals of good government. You would rather slander those who oppose ballooning debt.
    3. You can take up actual arms and revolt. I presume you are not doing that.

    It is sad that when you are losing an argument, or your icon is questioned that you just resort to name calling and false associations. Your words to me were “assinine,[twice], Occupy Wall Street Liberal, liliputian, pedestrian IQ, trying to ..look ..intelligent above where you really are, stunningly foolish, mentally handicapped”. Your words to others were “deaf and blind, your irrelevance, shallow, facile, brain dead, arrogant, out of touch with reality, sick navel gazing narcissistic, too obtuse to understand, ignorance, phony self righteous”. It is clear you are incapable of carrying on an intelligent civil debate. 350 years ago in America you would probably have been flogged for such behavior.

  • To Kill a Murderer

    02/25/2013 9:29:04 AM PST · 15 of 21
    EyeSalveRich to varmintman; Little Ray; expat1000; jimt; carriage_hill
    The system that works was established by the God who created it. The Bible calls for the death penalty for pre-meditated murder when there are two or more witnesses. This is protected by the fact that the witnesses are culpable of the same penalty if they testify falsely. RESPONSIBILITY! Responsibility is a key aspect of God’s law. Evidence can be substituted, and faked etc.. No one has responsibility. A witness however, is taking on responsibility.

    Guilt should be beyond any doubt whatsoever is impossible. No one would ever be found guilty of anything. Only culpability/resposibility is needed.

    must represent a continuing threat to society... No. Another basic feature of Gods law is the punishment must fit the crime. You shed blood deliberately, your blood is shed deliberately. The principle of prevention is also important. Both current and historic data shows that a properly implemented death penalty is a deterrent for other violent criminals as well. Even if liberals distort data otherwise. If the person has committed premeditated murdered they ARE a continuing threat. Also keeping people imprisoned and alive in general is itself a threat to society. It robs society of its produce to feed and care for the incarcerated

    incentives for convicting people of crimes gone... Everyone in society has an incentive for violent criminals to be convicted.

    no societal benefit to keeping the person alive..."Son of Sam" Really?! Serial killers don't need to be kept alive for study. They need to die! Rather than trying to invent your own killer condoning system for the study of serial killers, why not accept the Creator's system and reduce crime?

    system is too broken ...The Camm/Boney case would never have existed if God's law had been followed with Boney in the first place. Further we have what is called jury. His two previous convictions have been overturned on appeal. We need to restore proper jury use. A jury's decision is final. Guilty or not, there is no appeal, no retrial under slightly modified charges. Death or freedom, jury is final. Read about jury nullification here and here

    I would like to point out that that is the lawyers' job to do "everything possible to their client off." No, It is never anyone's job to pervert law, to enable an injustice on society. We need to let go of that idea.

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 10:24:13 AM PST · 29 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to Mr. Jeeves

    Yeah. Really. I think the only thing that has kept Ron Paul alive is that as only one man he is mostly powerless to do anything.

    The quote you mention, and the one from Wilson should give any thinking American GREAT pause. A hundred years ago the president, not some whack job, the president said the most powerful men in the country are afraid of a conspiracy, insidiously in control. Americans should really meditate on what that means, about elections, and industry today.
    Heartland, I am sure opposes that conspiracy mentally, but seems to be unwittingly supporting it.

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 9:27:15 AM PST · 26 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to HereInTheHeartland
    Every new law you pass only passes on costs to everyone else.

    Tell that to the people in California under this law, who are not being thrown out their home while that home sits empty.

    Generally, I agree with you that we have way, way to many laws. In most cases repealing bucket loads of laws is the favorable course of action. This particular laws seems to have had an immediately positive effect on families wanting to get by day to day in the home they have been paying for without it being taken away by a bank that has been found guilty of numerous crimes, which they don't have the personal resource to pursue a lawsuit against.

    It sounds like you have been a little embittered by the likes of some of the occupy wall streeters. I was at a place where they had set up a booth last year. I went over to have a conversation with them. With my just calmly asking questions mostly, and occaisionaly interjecting a few thoughts, they went rabid mad. I know the guy wanted to punch me. He was clearly very Marxist. Socialism, is an enemy. But Neidermeyer is right, you need to distinguish between corporate exploitation, and free enterprise. It is not socialist to oppose greedy illegal behavior. That occupy wall street guy was adamantly opposed to the idea that someone should be able to profit from the fruits of their labor, especially if they are too successful. That is an evil concept. We are not advocating that here.

    The reality is that most mortgage lending excesses were corrected a year or so into the financial crisis. The market spoke then and took out lenders such as Countrywide and WAMU.

    It also seems like you have missed a lot of stories about the crimes the banks have been committing in this area.

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 7:59:21 AM PST · 19 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to HereInTheHeartland
    Get rid of many of the lawyers in society; then maybe things could change.

    There is a difference between legislation and ideas. The only law that was proposed, which I agreed with, and started you alleging Marxism, was a law to make it more difficult for banks to violate the laws that they have already been found guilty of violating.

    The other stuff I have discussed is about ideas. What is right. What is wrong. I agree with you completely that we are in an overly litigous society, driven largely by greed. But surely you don't believe the best way to fix a overly litigous society is by making every free from responsibility of their actions.
    The subject of how we can fix the many ills of America today begins with understanding the roots causes, and what is right, and what is wrong. Actually making changes in government to make that happen is a whole other ballgame. How can we even get the first player to first base in that ball game if we don't understand the underlying issues?

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 7:21:28 AM PST · 17 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to HereInTheHeartland
    “1. Charging interest on money is usury and is considered theft, biblically. “ It sounds like you are in favor of Sharia financing then?

    puh-lease. Don't even try to link me up with Islam, because I support biblical economics. That is kinda like if you told me you opposed theft, and I suggested you must be in favor of cutting off peoples hands for theft. That's what Muslims do.

    Rule by sharia law, is a kingdom that started with the smoke from the pit in Revelation 9, and ended when the caliphate was abolished in Turkey immediately following WWI as was expected from Daniel 11 and Revelation 16. Their kingdom is in opposition to God's kingdom. If they oppose murder good for them. If they oppose usury, good for them. That doesn't mean I want anything to do with resurrecting their destroyed Ottoman Empire.

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 7:06:01 AM PST · 16 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to HereInTheHeartland
    First of all you should probably search the internet and read about the difference between free enterprise and capitalism. The founding fathers and I, favor free enterprise.

    I would suggest you read a little more on the money issue. Why do so many freepers and othes oppose the Federal Reserve. Why did Andrew Jackson run for president primarily just to eliminate the national bank? CONGRESS shall have the right to coin money and regulate the value thereof. Abraham Lincoln put green backs into circulation which was debt free money. Loans, and abundant wealth are MORE possible without usury that they are with usury. This is not the place for me to type in volumes of what has been written so well in many books. But maybe you should examine your views as to why it seems your view is so sharply in contrast to what Jefferson, Jackson and others have said.

    I didn't mention anything about stock ownership. And forbidding usury does not preclude stock ownership. It would preclude corporate bonds, though. But since you brought it up, let me ask you. Do you believe it is right for someone to be free of the consequences of their actions? That is the primary reason for corporations. It is an entity created to protect executives, managers, etc. with a legal barrier to be free from the responsibility of their actions. There are many types of free enterprise businesses. A corporation is only one. Even if we did away with corporations, which I am not proposing, the world could still have as many businesses as it desired.

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 5:27:45 AM PST · 13 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to HereInTheHeartland
    "And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale."
    Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, Monticello, 28 May 1816. Ford 11:533

    Bank-paper must be suppressed, and the circulating medium must be restored to the nation to whom it belongs
    Thomas Jefferson to John Wayles Eppes, Monticello, 24 June 1813. Ford 11:303

    a vast accession of strength from their younger recruits, who, having nothing in them of the feelings or principles of '76, now look to a single and splendid government of an aristocracy, founded on banking institutions, and monied incorporations under the guise and cloak of their favored branches of manufactures, commerce and navigation, riding and ruling over the plundered ploughman and beggared yeomanry.
    Jefferson to William Branch Giles, December 26, 1825, in Ford, 10:356. Polygraph copy available online from the Library of Congress

    Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!
    From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson (February 1834), according to Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States (1928) by Stan V. Henkels
    BTW - they attempted to assassinate him in a theater, like they did Linocln later.

    Yeah, Thomas Jefferson, Andrew Jackson those horrible Marxists opposing illegal bank actions. SERIOUS sarcasm. OMG!

  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/15/2013 4:46:28 AM PST · 12 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to HereInTheHeartland; All
    You either don't know what God law teaches on this, or you disagree with God.
    1. Charging interest on money is usury and is considered theft, biblically. A little bit of study about fractional reserve banking might help you. Try this.
    2. In Bible law, under no circumstances whatsoever could you take a man's home from him. Consider what happened to Ahab and Jezebel for trying that.(God condemmed him to die and dogs to lick his blood on the land he took)
    3. Even if you don't count usury, the banks are in violation of a host of laws already. They have been found guilty in court of violating some of them. They get a fine which amounts to a slap on the wrist. Two years later they are making record profits again, while the poor widow they stole the house from is destitute. Their executive get million dollar bonuses, and the congressmen that let them off live well and get eternal salaries. There are many place where God shows specific anger at leaders who exploit their people in these ways.
    4. The laws proposed don't stop foreclosures at all. It is only a tiny half baked measure to encourage the banks to act more legally. Why on God's green earth you would call that Marxist is way beyond me.

    "Give me control of a nation's money and I care not who makes it's laws" — Mayer Amschel Bauer Rothschild 1790 though original sourcing is questionable

    "Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson The New Freedom 1913

    So we speak above a whisper about laws to stifle this conspiracy that a president warned about over a hundred years ago, and you want to call it Marxist to resist. OMG!

  • None Dare Call It Treason: Not!

    02/14/2013 11:37:52 AM PST · 1 of 11
  • Politician moves to make vulgar Photoshopping illegal

    02/14/2013 10:44:09 AM PST · 44 of 51
    EyeSalveRich to TigerClaws
  • Foreclosures Fall Due to New Laws

    02/14/2013 10:33:36 AM PST · 2 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to ExxonPatrolUs

    We need similar laws passed in every state.

    Even on short sales banks make money. Between fees and interest banks make a fortune. If they do a mortgage for $250,000 and over the life of the loan expect back $600,000, when they sell for $220,000 they count that as a $350,000 loss.
    Whereas they may have already been paid $100,000 in interest and fees and now that are getting that plus $220,000. In reality they made $70,000 not lost $350,000.

  • Politician moves to make vulgar Photoshopping illegal

    02/14/2013 10:06:47 AM PST · 40 of 51
    EyeSalveRich to rlmorel

    so how do you guys get picts in the posts? Do you just type an anchor tag with href to a link to the picture somewhere else on the internet?

  • Politician moves to make vulgar Photoshopping illegal

    02/14/2013 9:45:19 AM PST · 38 of 51
    EyeSalveRich to kevkrom

    Thanks. Agreed. Satire, and humor are entirely different than something presented as truth. The only problem with that is that in the internet age something done well and fuzzily presented as satire can then later take on a life of its own as something real. Once it has it is hard to squash, and damage can be done before it does. Still I wouldn’t want to legislate against it. We as internet consumers need to be careful that we don’t propagate misinformation. Many founding fathers quotes on 2nd ammendment for example are unsupportable from original historic sources. We would do well to check our sources and only using good information. There are plenty of valid quotes.

    Lewd and obscene, I agree, are considered grayer areas. My point with that is that 200-300 years ago that was not at all gray. Is that because they were out of touch with liberty, or because we are out of touch with morality?

  • Politician moves to make vulgar Photoshopping illegal

    02/14/2013 8:17:29 AM PST · 24 of 51
    EyeSalveRich to baddog 219; PLD

    great pics.

  • Politician moves to make vulgar Photoshopping illegal

    02/14/2013 8:00:17 AM PST · 13 of 51
    EyeSalveRich to TigerClaws
    Freedom vs. license is an old and complex debate. People don't really believe in absolute liberty, defined as I can do anything I want. We don't want anyone to have the freedom to walk around with a machete hacking up everyone they come across. Freedom is never the right to DO wrong. It is the right to BE wrong.

    But that leaves us with the complex question of what is right and wrong. Many libertarian and freedom loving conservatives would define wrong as anything which harms some elses' life liberty or property. But even that definiton is not simple in implementation. By that definiton drunk driving at three time the legal limit of alcohol is not wrong. It is only wrong once you hit someone.

    In the current context, could someone's reputation, and therefore life, career, family etc. be harmed by this type of photoshopping? For example someone photoshops the local pastor going into a porn shop. Could it damage his family and career? Is it only wrong if it does damage his career, or harms him in a way that he can prove it in court beyond any reasonable doubt?

    What do you think our founding fatehrs in the 1650's would have done if someone painted such a lewd figure of a public figure and put it in public view? Would the action you think they would have taken been because they were liberty hating religious nut prudes, or perhaps is your reaction instead skewed based on successive generations of moral debasement in America?

  • Why Do Societies Give Up?

    02/14/2013 7:10:54 AM PST · 32 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to Kaslin
    Here is a much older example. Why did Canaan fall? Why Did Egypt rise to power? Why did the Israelites gain power? God revealed the future to Abraham. Notic what he said about cause.

    Genesis 1513 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years; 14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. 15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age. 16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.

    In other words the timing of kingdom events in Egypt, and Israel were all related to and intricately woven with, the sin of the Amorites. Canaan came to an end because of their sin, but God controlled the timing and destiny of several nations in order to bring that judgment when HE was ready. He waited for their wickedness to rise to the degree that they would deserve what they were going to get.

    Oh, and I forgot one other major reason for WWI in the previous post. To stop the 2nd reich. The 1st reich was the "Holy Roman Empire". The 2nd was a German/Prussian attempted revival, as was the 3rd.

  • Why Do Societies Give Up?

    02/14/2013 4:43:55 AM PST · 17 of 41
    EyeSalveRich to Kaslin
    Persia fell to Greece, and Greece to Rome for exactly the same reason. Daniel chapters 2, 7, and 8 said they would.

    Western Rome fell because Revelation chapters 6 and 8 said it would. Islam Rose because Rev. chap. 9 said it would. Eastern Rome at constantinople fell because Rev. chap. 9 said it would. It's Ottoman Empire fell on the year 1335 of their calendar after 1290 years of reign exactly as Daniel 12:11,12 said it would. And Rev.16 said it would.

    The reign of the popes over the kings of the earth started and ended exactly when scripture said it would in seven different places. It was allowed 1260 years just as prophesied. The French Revolution was the first phase of its end, which was 1260 years after the first phase of its beginning.

    The printing press printing the Bible, and then the reformation followed immediately after the fall of Constantinople in Rev 9. Unsurprisingly the little book, and then the resurrection of the two wittnesses follow in Revelation immediately after chapter nine. Followed by some of the kingdoms of the earth embracing protestant Christianity Rev 11:15

    The vials are poured out and you have the Napoleonic wars and the fall of the papal monarchies. WWI comes right on time in Rev 16 accomplishing three main prophetic events. 1. Further destruction of papal monarchies. 2. End the reign of Islamic Caliphates over kingdoms of the earth. 3. Free Jerusalem from seven times(2520 years) of punishment it had been under since Babylon's conquest, and deliver it into Christian hands.

    The answer to your qustion is ridiculously simple.

    They do not give up. God has ordained his purposes and timing for the kingdoms of this eaerth and HE is in control.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/14/2013 4:02:56 AM PST · 55 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to cuban leaf
    simply listening to the NT on my 2.5 hour round trip commute every day...getting such large chunks in such a short time

    I like both large chunks fast and the same chunk over and over. I led a bible study where we went through the entire book of Matthew in three classes. We looked only at Jesus' teaching, and only looked to glean the main point of each teaching session. It was very fruitful. It actually became more obvious how Jesus' discipleship changed over the course of his ministry.
    The flip side is when I finally started to study prophecy, which I had put off for years, wanting to be fully grounded in other simpler things first, I began listening to Daniel and Revelation. I would listen either to a whole book over and over or a whole chapter over and over. I have probably been through Daniel over 60 times. Even after you have been through it many times, sometimes new little things pop out. good luck with super-spook.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/13/2013 11:25:52 AM PST · 53 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to cuban leaf
    You said I’m reminded of what my old pastor once said: Most people, on becoming a Christian, study and learn for the first year or two, solidifying their beliefs. They then spend the rest of their life searching the bible only to support those beliefs. They don’t grow.

    That is definitely what I mostly see, stagnation and ignorance. I am pleased to hear that you have been open and searching enough to change your position. It is difficult, I have been there. I especially congratulate you on converting to eternal annihilation. In many "conservative" churches you would not be allowed to be a member, and may not even be welcome for believing that one. Changing a belief based on deep personal bible study to something that poses a social risk is even more commendable.

    You said: There are so many things we think we “know” about God and His word but, in reality, we’ve never really studied them all that hard.
    Based on that statement I'll recommend something to you that I have been wanting to do with someone. First though, let me give you some reason/context.
    You mention "this world is satan's for now". That concept is claimed to be taught by the verses I mentioned earlier, even though they dont teach it. It obviously depends on two things. What is satan and what is world.
    World in many of these type of uses is not at all talking about the orb we call earth. It is kosmos, the current order of things. The bigger picture is VERY important here. There are two systems or kingdoms if you will. Christ's/Gods, and an earthly succesion of kingdoms which God raised up to put his people in subjection for seven times because of their sin. These kingdoms are amply discussed in Daniel and Revelation and revealed in history.
    The earth, as in the planet is God's; every square inch. He has declared its purpose, some of which I quoted earlier. But the beastly succesion of world kingdoms, believers have been in, but not of.
    So my challenge or recommendation to you is to test for yourself the one part of your statement doing a topic study. Write for yourself seven to ten things you know about Satan without looking at any scripture. I expect the list would contain the typical teachings. Then, you examine scripture and PROVE to yourself that these are actually true. Don't just look to validate what you believe. Examine each passage, consider views which disagee with what you have been taught and see if you can support what you "know". Remember to look at the passages which use the same Hebrew word sawtawn but are not translated as satan.
    Among other things you may be surpised to learn that satan is: an angel of the Lord, the LORD, and many named human men. Particularly interesting is Rev 12. Many will cursorily reference this to teach things about satan. Yet since neither they nor their listeners have any idea of what Rev. 12 is talking about, they really are making nonsensical arguments.

    Let me get back more to the original prophetic stuff. I think Daniel 2 makes this so simple, when one doesn't try to pervert the natural reading with a parenthetical church age.
    Virtually everyone agrees on the 4 successive earthly kingdoms, Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greece and Rome. Rome is in existence when the 4th kingdom appears, grows and smashes the 2520 year(seven times) dynasty of beastly empires. Several key stages of the destruction of Babylon have ALREADY taken place. The empire that struck the image on the feet already exists, and history clearly indicates who it was that accomplished this. Only historical ignorance, biblical ignorance and willful blindness prevent the truth from being accepted universally.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/13/2013 6:46:24 AM PST · 51 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to cuban leaf
    An answer popped into your head, that touches our very converstion, but you don't share it? I thought holy was kind of simple. "Set apart for a purpose"

    In a sense you are right about looking for a fight. I am looking for iron to sharpen my iron. Prov. 27:17. I have been to dozens of churches, bible studies, even some time at seminary. No one wants to dig into scripture in any forum, online, offline, in church, at home, anywhere. It seems at times, that Berean Christians are nearly extinct.

    In answer to prayer recently I have had the opportunity to talk prophecy with a pastor, at length over the course of many months of one hour meetings. He was in shock and awe at the breadth and depth of my knowledge of prophecy, and said I am "WAY ahead of him in this area." Yet, I consider myself to be only a beginning student.

    I joined a bible study on Daniel a while back. We are on chapter ten. What a dissapointment. It is a book study, not a bible study. We follow McArthur's book, answer the shallow questions, and avoid learning anything.

    Prophecy, the subject of this thread, is highly relevant to society. Jesus rebuked his disciples as fools on the road to Emmaus because they did not compare scripture with the events of their day, and understand that it was being fulfilled before their eyes.

    This thread considers the idea of antiChrist in prophecy and sort of makes light of it implying every generation thinks its all about them. That simply isn't true. Looking to the future for the antichrist denies the fulfillment of prophecy. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, has web feet like a duck, and swims like a duck..... Those are four marks. I gave 18 marks of the mystery of iniquity. All have been fulfilled.

    Similarly, looking for the kingdom in the future only, or only in the spiritual non-physical realm denies scripture.

    But who cares right? What does the kingdom of God matter to a Christian. It looks increasingly like I will be writing off freerepublic as just one more place where Christians are interested only in shallow one-liners, or dismissing anything they don't already believe.

    peace to you

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/13/2013 4:14:25 AM PST · 46 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to cuban leaf
    You said The earth is Satan’s kingdom. We are behind enemy lines, so to speak.

    I presume you refer to 2 Cor 4:4, and or John 12:31; 14:30. It is a horrible misuse of scripture to use those to teach against the kingdom of God on earth. It does much damage to the prophets, the parables, the psalms, and the gospel of the kingdom. I understand why you would repeat it. It is widely taught as such. But this is a part of the reason America is in the moral dilema we are in. That teaching makes Christians irrelevant in todays world. In fact, it makes them somewhat useless to God's kingdom.

    Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    Romans 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

    Psalm 24:1 The earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

    Psalm 115:16 The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

    If you read the parable of the tares carefully, you will see that the tares are in the field which is the world. Later you see the tares are gather out of the kingdom where they have been growing. They were growing in the field, which is the world. The kingdom is the world.

    Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/12/2013 12:33:13 PM PST · 37 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to cuban leaf
    You said The “Americaninzation” of Christianity frustrates me as well. It is not about Americans. It is about Christians. And, not to sound too nutty, I don’t think American flags belong in churches. They are not secular organizations. I’m seeing little in the NT about patriotism. The bible is about two things, the second of which is a subset of the first: Man’s relationship with his Creator and man’s relationship with his fellow man.

    Patriotism is defined as devoted love, support, and defense of one's country; national loyalty.

    Scripture says seek first the kingdom of God. It becomes very important what the kingdom is. If you define the kingdom as something which is only spiritual (not a biblical idea) then it is entirely different than if you believe Rev. 11:15 that the kingdoms of this world are become the kindom of Christ. Dan 7 says the same.

    Further you use church as a building. Common, but not biblical or correct for your argument. Churches are secular. THE church is not secular.

    Think about this in terms of the OT. God established a kingdom at Mt. Sinai. There were judges, military leaders, elders, there was the rule of law, with one nation under God. The people all agreed three times to their form of government, with God as head. That agreement is a constitution of sorts. That reigns under God and his laws. Was it secular? Yes. Was it Christian? Yes, in a forward looking sense.

    You mention mans relationship to God and man, while rejecting the idea of secular. Kingdoms are in essence mans relationship to man, and their king. It IS secular and if it is Christian it is simultaneously spiritual.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/12/2013 11:06:56 AM PST · 35 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to cuban leaf; Shery

    I am curious do you see anything in the NT about the kingdom? I hope you don’t believe that the kingdom, which the parable of the tares says has children of the wicked on in it, is only spiritual, or only future. That is hermenuetical suicide.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/12/2013 11:00:20 AM PST · 33 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to Shery

    Consider that prophetic Israel might not be the Old Israel, just like prophetic sodom is not the old sodom, prophetic bablyon is not the old babylon, prophetic Egypt is not the old egypt.

    Prophetic Jerusalem is a land of unwalled villages. In fact there are many marks of prophetic Israel which cannot fit old Jerusalem. Also, Jesus very clearly indicated the kingdom was taken from them, and the would NEVER produce fruit again.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/12/2013 10:55:25 AM PST · 32 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to Alex Murphy
    What are the actual Biblical Characteristics of the scriptures used to teach an anti-christ dictator

    2 Thes 2

    First there must be a great apostasy. A great apostasy could be followed by great reformation. Hint :-)
    Exalts himself as God. See papal bulls, infallible etc.
    Sits in the temple(God people in the NT) of God exalted as God. Note, the pope was literally seated above the sacrament which was taught as the ACTUAL body of the Lord.
    Something was holding it back in Paul’s time waiting for it to be revealed. Imperial pagan Rome held back the papacy.
    It will have power signs, and lying wonders. Selling of indulgences, miraculous trinkets etc.

    Dan 7

    Three horns (king or kingdoms of Romes ten kingdoms) plucked up by it. The Heruli (493A.D.), Vandals( 534 A.D.) and Ostrogoths(538 A.D.) were eliminated.
    Eyes like a man. (Guided by flesh not God?)
    Speaks great things (blasphemies in other verses) see papal bulls
    Makes war against the saints i.e. Foxes Book of Martyrs
    Shall change times[Pope] Gregorian calendar.
    Saints in his hands 1260 yearsexactly fulfilled many explanation on net

    Rev 13

    Speaks blasphemies- see above
    Power for 1260 yearssee above
    He shall be worshipped in the “known” world 1514 Papacy said none oppose
    Does wonderssee above
    Kills heretics who would not worship it
    Causes people to receive a mark
    The number of his name = 666 = filii dei = dux cleri = italika ekklesia = lateinos = helatine basileia=ludovicus

    Dan 9

    The prince that would destroy the city was Titus and fuliflled in 70 A.D.. It has nothing to do with the other passages. The "he" in verse 27 which confirms the covenant and ends sacrifice etc. is refferring to the main subject of the passage Christ.

  • How the Antichrist reflects an era's anxieties

    02/12/2013 10:31:33 AM PST · 30 of 55
    EyeSalveRich to MeOnTheBeach
    What prophecy of Armageddon? There is only one mention in all of scripture. Rev 16:16. It is listed only as a gathering place of the three unclean spirits "to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty". However, no battle is clearly, immediately discussed. Instead the seventh vial is poured out afterward.

    The unclean spirits, armageddon, and the drying of the Euphrates are all mentioned in the same context of the sixth seal. The drying up of the Euphrates was and is widely viewed by Historicist as referring to the drying up of the Turkish Muslim power, centered at the source of the Euphrates. In fact a seqence of maps showing the extent of the Ottoman Empire flipped through would look like a movie of the drying up of the Euphrates.

    This drying up was completed in WWI. Note that the key battle which freed Jerusalem in WWI was actually fought at Armageddon. There was considerable public discussion at the time as to whether WWI was Armageddon. Much more to say but no time and space.

    One of the most convincing arguments that it was, that I have ever seen, was actually a minister at the time arguing that it wasn't. He argued before the actual battle at Armageddon. Once that happened it killed most of his points against it being so.

    There is a great battle discussed in Rev 19:19, but there is nothing clear at all to make the connection between that and Rev. 16:16s Armageddon.