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  • Timmerman On "The Truth About What Happened in Benghazi"

    07/19/2014 11:36:15 PM PDT · 13 of 13
    Fedora to Kaslin; piasa
    I found out, also through my contacts, about an absolutely astonishing arms smuggling operation out of Libya to radical jihadi groups around the world, that appears to have been authorized, or at the very least explicitly tolerated, by John Brennan, who at the time was the president’s counterterrorism advisor. That is in violation of so many U.S. statutes it’s hard to number them on my hands and my feet.

    More on this part was discussed here a while back:

    The secret war behind Benghazi

    Obama gave his chief counterterrorism advisor, John Brennan, who is now the nominee to be the next leader of the CIA, a blank check. Brennan could do just about whatever he needed to do in North Africa and the Mideast, contend Murphy and Webb. Brennan chose to conduct a dangerous classified war without looping in Stevens, who paid with his life for his ignorance, according to the book.

  • Breaking: Harry Reid Tied to MASSIVE Bribery Case (VIDEO)

    07/19/2014 12:31:44 AM PDT · 98 of 128
    Fedora to TigersEye

    Bump.

  • Saddam’s WMDs: The Left’s Iraq Lies Exposed

    06/24/2014 1:10:37 AM PDT · 90 of 110
    Fedora to piasa

    Ping to original post and links in #32.

  • Friends and Enemies (Oliver North)

    06/11/2014 10:41:34 PM PDT · 25 of 25
    Fedora to piasa

    Thanks for the ping and for keeping up on the updates!

  • Deacon Alex Jones: "No Price Too High"

    05/21/2014 8:20:28 PM PDT · 30 of 30
    Fedora to NYer

    Love Deacon Jones’ speaking style, very down-to-earth, practical, and audience-engaging.

  • EMAILS: DEM SEN LEVIN PRESSURED IRS TO TARGET CONSERVATIVE GROUPS

    05/17/2014 6:05:34 PM PDT · 69 of 78
    Fedora to Eric Roelfsema

    Thanks for the info. I wasn’t meaning to imply any predictions about the outcome of that race, just suggesting that investigating Levin’s staff might be productive.

  • EMAILS: DEM SEN LEVIN PRESSURED IRS TO TARGET CONSERVATIVE GROUPS

    05/14/2014 11:01:42 PM PDT · 19 of 78
    Fedora
    Levin might be retiring, but I bet his staff will be continuing his work. What did they know and when did they know it, and what else are they doing now?

    Senator Carl Levin (D-Michigan) Staff

    Chief of Staff: Jack Danielson
    Scheduler: Alison Todak
    Legis. Dir.: Jack Danielson
    Press Secy.: Tara Andringa
    Veteran Affairs LA: Ben Brenner
    Military LA: Mike Kuiken
    Child/Family Issues LA: Jackie Parker
    Health LA: Jacob Courville
    Financial Services LA: Bob Heckart
    Foreign Policy LA: Mike Kuiken
    Education LA: Jackie Parker
    Agriculture LA: Vacant
    Telecomm LA: Alison Pascale
    Elections LA: Ben Brenner
    Energy LA: Christine Muchanic
    Environment LA: Alice Yates
    Firearms LA: Ben Brenner
    Judiciary LA: Ben Brenner
    Tax LA: Bob Heckart
    Transportation LA: Alison Pascale
    Trade LA: Alison Pascale
    Commerce LA: Alison Pascale
    Labor LA: Jacob Courville
    Budget LA: Tim Everett
    Arts/Humanities LA: Vacant
    Civil Rights LA: Jackie Parker
    Government Affairs LA: Elise J. Bean
    Housing LA: Tim Everett
    Medicare/Medicaid LA: Jacob Courville
    Appropriations LA: Tim Everett
    Science/Technology LA: Christine Muchanic
    Social Security LA: Jacob Courville
    Space - NASA LA: Christine Muchanic
    Pensions LA: Jacob Courville
    Animal Welfare LA: Jackie Parker
    Women's Issues LA: Jacob Courville
    Native American Affairs LA: Jacob Courville
    Immigration LA: Vacant
    Homeland Security LA: Ben Brenner
    Sys. Admin.: Tom Bride
    State Dir.: Vacant
    Staff Contact: Tara Andringa
    State Scheduler: Vacant
  • Don Jones fined, suspended by the Dolphins in wake of tweets critical of Michael Sam

    05/12/2014 1:20:05 PM PDT · 83 of 95
    Fedora to stinkerpot65

    I’m done watching the NFL unless they fix this injustice to Don Jones.

  • HGTV Cancels Reality TV Show “Flip It Forward” After Learning Stars are Pro-Life

    05/09/2014 3:14:18 AM PDT · 21 of 25
    Fedora to GrandJediMasterYoda

    Yep, religious discrimination under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act, which the left usually likes as long as it only protects groups they favor, so if this gets pressed in court it will put them in a bind.

  • Sad news. FReeper Jean S has passed away.

    05/09/2014 3:02:39 AM PDT · 110 of 136
    Fedora to Jim Robinson; Jean S

    Prayers for a friend and inspiration who will be missed.

  • Harvard 'black mass' event met with shock, outcry

    05/09/2014 2:48:33 AM PDT · 52 of 55
    Fedora to Fedora

    PS: Donald Nugent = Christopher Nugent (Dr. Nugent has published under both names, I believe he used “Christopher” for that book).

  • Harvard 'black mass' event met with shock, outcry

    05/09/2014 2:46:58 AM PDT · 51 of 55
    Fedora to Hugin; Ronin; NYer; OpusatFR
    Actually, there is evidence that medieval Satanism incorporated elements of pagan traditions such as Zoroastrian dualism, Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Greco-Roman witchcraft, and Diana worship. See history professor Donald Nugent's Masks of Satan for documentation from primary and secondary sources and a refutation of the "Christianity invented Satanism" thesis. Jeffrey Burton Russell's work is also a good resource.

    With reference to the mention of Satanism being distinct from Wicca, Wicca was invented by Aleister Crowley's protege Gerald Gardner, who was an OTO initiate. It is the OTO's brand of Satanism rebranded to appeal to feminists who would not want to label themselves "Satanists," similar to the way the Communist Party created various fronts to appeal to people who would not want to join the CP.

  • Harry Reid's Long, Steady Accretion of Power & Wealth

    04/25/2014 5:03:02 PM PDT · 18 of 18
    Fedora to stylin19a

    Thanks for the ping!

  • Winter's Coming. And, Boy How We're Going to Wish We Still Had That Luxury Global Warming 'Problem'!

    04/21/2014 11:08:13 PM PDT · 30 of 40
    Fedora to ronnyquest; SunkenCiv
    TIME ran covers titled "The Big Freeze" on December 3, 1973 and January 31, 1977. (I would post the covers but I'm not sure on FR's linking policy for TIME's website.) More 1970s global cooling media coverage is archived at 1970s Global Cooling Alarmism.
  • Here’s What CBS Said in Response to Sharyl Attkisson’s Claims About Its Reporting Bias

    04/21/2014 10:29:19 PM PDT · 30 of 32
    Fedora to lbryce
    "CBS News maintains the highest journalistic standards in what it chooses to put on the air. Those standards are applied without fear or favor."

    From a reporter CBS' "journalists" may recognize named Carl Bernstein, writing in 1977 (much more detail on link):

    The Columbia Broadcasting System. CBS was unquestionably the CIAs most valuable broadcasting asset. CBS President William Paley and Allen Dulles enjoyed an easy working and social relationship. Over the years, the network provided cover for CIA employees, including at least one well‑known foreign correspondent and several stringers; it supplied outtakes of newsfilm to the CIA3; established a formal channel of communication between the Washington bureau chief and the Agency; gave the Agency access to the CBS newsfilm library; and allowed reports by CBS correspondents to the Washington and New York newsrooms to be routinely monitored by the CIA. Once a year during the 1950s and early 1960s, CBS correspondents joined the CIA hierarchy for private dinners and briefings.

  • Harry, Rory, and the BLM gang... are busted!

    04/21/2014 10:22:19 PM PDT · 32 of 33
    Fedora to Liz

    Reid’s arrogance makes the paper trail on this one very easy to document. He was safe as long as no one was looking because he was being protected. Now that everyone is looking, it’s going to be impossible to hide the evidence of decades of cronyism. I am getting a big bag of popcorn, this will be worth watching for a while.

    (BTW hi Liz!) :-)

  • 9 Dead, 26 Injured and 50 Foot Puppets in Chicago Easter Crime Wave

    04/21/2014 10:09:01 PM PDT · 24 of 25
    Fedora to lowbridge

    lowbridge, that was my first thought as well :-)

  • The Power of the Divine Mercy Novena

    04/21/2014 10:05:51 PM PDT · 23 of 35
    Fedora to NYer

    Thanks for posting this; I have been praying the Novena as well. The Divine Mercy Chaplet and Novena prayers are extremely powerful, in my experience.

  • Mr. Cleanface’s Dirty Laundry: Harry Reid’s Mob Money

    04/17/2014 11:06:19 PM PDT · 76 of 78
    Fedora to GOPJ

    No, the investigation covered in this article was conducted during the 1970s and had wrapped up by about 1980; Sharpton didn’t become an informant until the mid-80s, and he was informing on activity in New York City rather than Las Vegas.

  • Jimmy Carter: U.S. Shouldn’t Bomb Iran Even If They Get a Nuclear Weapon

    04/10/2014 2:19:19 PM PDT · 23 of 25
    Fedora to 2ndDivisionVet

    Jimmy Carter’s track record on Iran policy disqualifies him from advising anyone else.

  • Politico: Reid's Favors to Family Dragging Him Down

    04/09/2014 11:12:25 AM PDT · 25 of 29
    Fedora to Jim Robinson

    Reid’s corruption has been public knowledge throughout the duration of his Senate leadership, as reported here on FR and elsewhere. There needs to be an investigation to identify who has been protecting him.

  • Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant

    04/09/2014 11:05:16 AM PDT · 96 of 97
    Fedora to MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

    Ping.

  • Al Sharpton's Secret Work As FBI Informant

    04/09/2014 11:03:52 AM PDT · 95 of 97
    Fedora to mandaladon
    I remember this part from a TV documentary aired quite a while back:

    So why did Sharpton agree to become an FBI informant? And why was he willing to risk the dangers inherent in such cooperation?

    “He thought he didn’t have a choice,” one Genovese squad agent recalled.

    In the course of an investigation being run by Spinelli and his partner John Pritchard, Sharpton was secretly recorded in meetings with an FBI undercover agent posing as a wealthy drug dealer seeking to promote boxing matches.

    As previously reported, Colombo crime family captain Michael Franzese, who knew Sharpton, enlisted the activist’s help in connecting with Don King. Franzese and Sharpton were later surreptitiously filmed during one meeting with the undercover, while Sharpton and Daniel Pagano, a Genovese soldier, were recorded at another sit-down. Pagano’s father Joseph was a Genovese power deeply involved in the entertainment industry (and who also managed the crime family’s rackets in counties north of New York City).

    During one meeting with Sharpton, the undercover agent offered to get him "pure coke" at $35,000 a kilo. As the phony drug kingpin spoke, Sharpton nodded his head and said, “I hear you.” When the undercover promised Sharpton a 10 percent finder’s fee if he could arrange the purchase of several kilos, the reverend referred to an unnamed buyer and said, “If he’s gonna do it, he’ll do it much more than that.” The FBI agent steered the conversation toward the possible procurement of cocaine, sources said, since investigators believed that Sharpton acquaintance Daniel Pagano--who was not present--was looking to consummate drug deals. Joseph Pagano, an East Harlem native who rose through a Genovese crew notorious for narcotics trafficking, spent nearly seven years in federal prison for heroin distribution.

    While Sharpton did not explicitly offer to arrange a drug deal, some investigators thought his interaction with the undercover agent could be construed as a violation of federal conspiracy laws. Though an actual prosecution, an ex-FBI agent acknowledged, would have been “a reach,” agents decided to approach Sharpton and attempt to “flip” the activist, who was then shy of his 30th birthday. In light of Sharpton’s relationship with Don King, FBI agents wanted his help in connection with the bureau’s three-year-old boxing investigation, code named “Crown Royal” and headed by Spinelli and Pritchard.

  • The Papacy in Scripture – No Rocks Required

    03/16/2014 2:30:23 PM PDT · 61 of 70
    Fedora to ealgeone; NYer
    I appreciate the discussion and the opportunity to dig deeper into these verses as well.

    A few comments on some of the questions you raise:

    1. "Was the rock upon which Christ built the church Peter or Peter’s confession regarding Christ?" Christ says here that "you are the Rock, and on this rock I will build my Church." "You" here refers to Peter, not his confession, although is confession is the occasion of Jesus' statement and is certainly also important: it explains *why* Peter is the Rock, and it is because the Father has revealed the Son to him, as Jesus just got done mentioning. Peter is the "you" who is the Rock here, and the reason he is the Rock is because of the gift of faith he has received. Additionally, besides the "you," there is an "I" here referring to Jesus, and the image here is Jesus as builder of the Church. There are other places Jesus refers to himself as the Cornerstone, but that is not the image he is using here. It's important to note that this is an image and not a geometrical type of definition: there is no contradiction between Jesus calling Himself the Cornerstone elsewhere and calling Peter the Rock here, or between Peter and Paul taking up this image later in places such as 1 Peter 2 and Ephesians 2, the mixed metaphors are not talking about the same thing and need to be interpreted each in their own context. Jesus is certainly the foundation of the Church in the sense of being its only Savior, and calling Peter the Rock is obviously not implying otherwise. But Christ as the builder of the Church also chooses to incorporate Peter into the foundation he lays, as Paul puts it in Ephesians 2 when he takes up the image of the Church as a building and says it is "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone." So Christ is the Cornerstone, but Peter is the Rock that has been affixed to Christ's foundation.

    2. Binding and loosing: This is a phrase from rabbinical Judaism that referred to the authority of the Jewish religious leaders to interpret the Law and to pronounce anathema on those who did not submit to official rabbinical legal pronouncements; conversely it included the authority to readmit the repentant to the community. It thus conveyed both exegetical/teaching authority and administrative authority. Jesus is transferring this authority to Peter here. In context this is an amazing amount of authority Jesus is delegating to Peter, which the metaphor of "keys to the kingdom" underscores. One other note: there is a grammatical parallelism between Jesus' phrases "I will build," "I will give you," and "whatever you bind will," indicating the close relationship between these elements of his statement.

    3. Jesus does extend the binding and loosing authority to the disciples after first giving it to Peter with such strong emphasis. In Matthew 18 the context of this is discussing church discipline and how to handle a brother who sins, which fits with the connotation of "binding and loosing" that refers to anathema pronouncements. (Incidentally it's important to also notice that Jesus immediately follows this up by giving Peter instructions on how many times to forgive his brothers--Jesus is not only giving instructions on how to excommunicate unrepentant sinners, but he is also commanding Peter to extend unlimited forgiveness to the repentant no matter how many times they fall.) Because the context of the binding and loosing discussion is church discipline and anathema, I take it to refer to the authority Jesus is investing in the disciples as the leaders of the church as the collective Body of Christ. How they exercise this authority is illustrated in Acts 15 where the Jerusalem church leaders resolve a dispute and communicate their decision to the other churches through official messengers. After the Jerusalem church was scattered by persecution, this authority for resolving disputes followed Peter and Paul to Rome, which is where the Papacy and its collegiate administrative structure came from. Thus we see the 1st-century Roman bishop Clement continuing to serve this administrative function in his epistle to the Corinthians, and we find Ireneus describing this development in Against Heresies while refuting the Gnostics--his record is significant so I will conclude by quoting it in full, with some relevant highlights bolded by me:

    It is within the power of all, therefore, in every Church, who may wish to see the truth, to contemplate clearly the tradition of the apostles manifested throughout the whole world; and we are in a position to reckon up those who were by the apostles instituted bishops in the Churches, and [to demonstrate] the succession of these men to our own times; those who neither taught nor knew of anything like what these [heretics] rave about. For if the apostles had known hidden mysteries, which they were in the habit of imparting to "the perfect" apart and privily from the rest, they would have delivered them especially to those to whom they were also committing the Churches themselves. For they were desirous that these men should be very perfect and blameless in all things, whom also they were leaving behind as their successors, delivering up their own place of government to these men; which men, if they discharged their functions honestly, would be a great boon [to the Church], but if they should fall away, the direst calamity.

    Since, however, it would be very tedious, in such a volume as this, to reckon up the successions of all the Churches, we do put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vainglory, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings; [we do this, I say,] by indicating that tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul; as also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every Church should agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, inasmuch as the tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere.

    The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Of this Linus, Paul makes mention in the Epistles to Timothy. To him succeeded Anacletus; and after him, in the third place from the apostles, Clement was allotted the bishopric. This man, as he had seen the blessed apostles, and had been conversant with them, might be said to have the preaching of the apostles still echoing [in his ears], and their traditions before his eyes. Nor was he alone [in this], for there were many still remaining who had received instructions from the apostles. In the time of this Clement, no small dissension having occurred among the brethren at Corinth, the Church in Rome dispatched a most powerful letter to the Corinthians, exhorting them to peace, renewing their faith, and declaring the tradition which it had lately received from the apostles, proclaiming the one God, omnipotent, the Maker of heaven and earth, the Creator of man, who brought on the deluge, and called Abraham, who led the people from the land of Egypt, spoke with Moses, set forth the law, sent the prophets, and who has prepared fire for the devil and his angels. From this document, whosoever chooses to do so, may learn that He, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, was preached by the Churches, and may also understand the tradition of the Church, since this Epistle is of older date than these men who are now propagating falsehood, and who conjure into existence another god beyond the Creator and the Maker of all existing things. To this Clement there succeeded Evaristus. Alexander followed Evaristus; then, sixth from the apostles, Sixtus was appointed; after him, Telephorus, who was gloriously martyred; then Hyginus; after him, Pius; then after him, Anicetus. Soter having succeeded Anicetus, Eleutherius does now, in the twelfth place from the apostles, hold the inheritance of the episcopate. In this order, and by this succession, the ecclesiastical tradition from the apostles, and the preaching of the truth, have come down to us. And this is most abundant proof that there is one and the same vivifying faith, which has been preserved in the Church from the apostles until now, and handed down in truth.

    But Polycarp also was not only instructed by apostles, and conversed with many who had seen Christ, but was also, by apostles in Asia, appointed bishop of the Church in Smyrna, whom I also saw in my early youth, for he tarried [on earth] a very long time, and, when a very old man, gloriously and most nobly suffering martyrdom, departed this life, having always taught the things which he had learned from the apostles, and which the Church has handed down, and which alone are true. To these things all the Asiatic Churches testify, as do also those men who have succeeded Polycarp down to the present time,— a man who was of much greater weight, and a more steadfast witness of truth, than Valentinus, and Marcion, and the rest of the heretics. He it was who, coming to Rome in the time of Anicetus caused many to turn away from the aforesaid heretics to the Church of God, proclaiming that he had received this one and sole truth from the apostles—that, namely, which is handed down by the Church. There are also those who heard from him that John, the disciple of the Lord, going to bathe at Ephesus, and perceiving Cerinthus within, rushed out of the bath-house without bathing, exclaiming, "Let us fly, lest even the bath-house fall down, because Cerinthus, the enemy of the truth, is within." And Polycarp himself replied to Marcion, who met him on one occasion, and said, "Do you know me?" "I do know you, the first-born of Satan." Such was the horror which the apostles and their disciples had against holding even verbal communication with any corrupters of the truth; as Paul also says, "A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sins, being condemned of himself." Titus 3:10 There is also a very powerful Epistle of Polycarp written to the Philippians, from which those who choose to do so, and are anxious about their salvation, can learn the character of his faith, and the preaching of the truth. Then, again, the Church in Ephesus, founded by Paul, and having John remaining among them permanently until the times of Trajan, is a true witness of the tradition of the apostles.

  • The Papacy in Scripture – No Rocks Required

    03/15/2014 5:54:31 PM PDT · 59 of 70
    Fedora to ealgeone; NYer
    I agree that personal attacks are out of place between believers, and I appreciate your devotion to Scripture and am glad you are pursuing your study of NT Greek. I studied seven years of NT Greek and four years of Classical Greek as part of my theological training, and I am still always learning more. During my studies I became convinced that the Catholic interpretation of Scripture is more Biblical than what I had previously been led to believe. The Bible was studied in great depth during the pre-Reformation era. Abelard's book Sic et Non (hard to find in English but online in Latin), Peter Lombard's The Sentences, and Aquinas' Commentary on the Sentences are good examples of how devoted to Scripture the Catholic Church was long before Luther. Luther claimed he was following Scripture alone but ignored passages that didn't agree with his assumptions, added his own phrases to his translations arbitrarily as he did with Romans 3:28, tried unsuccessfully to get Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation removed from the Bible, and threw books out based on false assumptions about the Septuagint which scholars today know to be wrong thanks to the Dead Sea Scrolls, even though Protestant Bible publishers keep reprinting Luther's truncated canon while claiming to offer translations based on the most up-to-date manuscript knowledge. Luther, Calvin, and Zwingli read a lot of their own assumptions into Scripture and then claimed they were following Scripture alone, which is one of the risks a person runs if they try to make themselves into the final judge of Scripture interpretation overruling Church authority (even though the NT commands submission to Church authority in, e.g., Hebrews 13:17): their understanding of Scripture is limited to their own level of understanding and their own education and the assumptions they have inherited from the culture of their era, which means that whether they realize it or not, they are ultimately putting their faith in their own wisdom like the Corinthians in 1 Corinthians 1-3, not putting their faith in God or trusting God enough to trust His Church. This is one reason it makes sense that Jesus gave the Church's leaders binding and loosing authority instead of leaving Scripture interpretation a free-for-all where anybody can have their own private interpretation. The Marian doctrines you mention are not asumptions but conclusions reflecting centuries of careful meditation and discussion on Scriptural references to Mary and their relation to references to Christ's Incarnation. For instance the Book of Revelation includes a vision of Mary as a New Eve, a theme which the Church took up from the beginning, as illustrated by Justin Martyr's Dialogue with Trypho in the 2nd century, written shortly after Justin had been in Ephesus where the Apostle John had resided with Mary (following Jesus' command to John as recorded in John 19:27: "Here is your mother."). Irenaeus, also in John's lineage, discussed the same interpretation of Scriptural references to Mary in Against Heresies. Tertullian also discussed this early in the 3rd century in his work On the Flesh of Christ. As this illustrates, Marian teachings were around long before the Assumption of Mary was formally declared. The Rosary is a Biblical prayer and meditation based on combining passages in the Gospels, Acts, and Revelation with the Psalms--the beads originally represented the 150 Psalms, which medieval monks prayed daily, illustrating their deep devotion to Scripture. The "Hail Mary" directly quotes the Gospel of Luke. It is not accurate to say that Pope Urban II issued a "jihad." If I had unlimited time I could go on at great length about each of these various items, but these are distinct issues from how we interpret Matthew 16, which is what we started with. It is best to tackle one passage and issue at a time in a spirit of prayer and meditation if one wants to arrive at the truth. In Matthew 16 Jesus places great emphasis on identifying Peter as the rock and giving him the keys to the kingdom and the authority to bind and loose. The Catholic Church takes this verse seriously enough to put it into practice. If someone doesn't see Peter as the Pope and they regard the Bible as the sole authority, from a Biblical perspective I would still pose the question to them: how do they interpret this verse, and how do they put it into practice? What practical application do they give to Jesus' teaching here on "binding and loosing"? Being Biblical means this verse needs to be put into practice in some meaningful way and not just argued about during Catholic-vs.-Protestant debates.
  • The Papacy in Scripture – No Rocks Required

    03/14/2014 9:48:40 PM PDT · 57 of 70
    Fedora to ealgeone; NYer
    A study of Greek is not fallacious, but if you're going to cite Greek in theological arguments, it's important to cite it correctly. Here is an online resource you can use to improve your knowledge of Biblical Greek: http://www.ibiblio.org/koine/. The webmaster makes an important point to bear in mind during debates over how to translated disputed passages: "Those who don't know aren't dangerous; those who insist they do know are very dangerous. . .Each of us knows only in part; if we want to profit by studying Greek, we must have the humility and the patience to learn one step at a time, to be corrected by others, and be open to the Spirit who guides us in all truth."

    Thank you for sharing the link. Here is a link to how to use HTML formatting on FR so it's more clear when you are quoting another site:

    HTML SandBox 2013

    The content on the link has a few problems and poses some other problems for your argument, which include:

    1. The link says, "Yes, Peter was the 'rock' that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18)." This is the point you were disputing. Q.E.D.

    2. It cites Acts 15 and Galatians 2 to argue that Peter did not have authority over the other apostles. In fact, in Galatians 2 we find Paul describing James, Peter, and John as the "pillars" of the Jerusalem Church. In Acts 15, Peter speaks first among the leaders of the Jerusalem church, and James seconds him. Here we see that Peter, along with James and John, held a status above the other leaders of the Jerusalem church.

    3. The author of the link states that "Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome." Well if Peter died in Rome we wouldn't expect him to have written about it, no? But John outlasted Peter and some commentators believe he is alluding to his and Paul's martyrdom in Rome in Revelation 11:3. Clement of Rome, a 1st century bishop of Rome, refers to Peter's martyrdom in Rome: "Let us take the noble examples furnished in our own generation. Through envy and jealousy, the greatest and most righteous pillars [of the Church] have been persecuted and put to death. Let us set before our eyes the illustrious apostles. Peter, through unrighteous envy, endured not one or two, but numerous labours and when he had at length suffered martyrdom, departed to the place of glory due to him. Owing to envy, Paul also obtained the reward of patient endurance, after being seven times thrown into captivity, compelled to flee, and stoned. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects." Note that Clement again refers to Peter as a "pillar." (By the way, Clement also discusses the apostolic succession in other passages in his letter: "Our apostles also knew, through our Lord Jesus Christ, that there would be strife on account of the office of the episcopate. For this reason, therefore, inasmuch as they had obtained a perfect fore-knowledge of this, they appointed those [ministers] already mentioned, and afterwards gave instructions, that when these should fall asleep, other approved men should succeed them in their ministry.") Here is what Irenaeus, a disciple of the Apostle John's disciple Polycarp, recorded: "Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect, while Peter and Paul were preaching at Rome, and laying the foundations of the Church. After their departure, Mark, the disciple and interpreter of Peter, did also hand down to us in writing what had been preached by Peter." Clement and Irenaeus' testimony about such matters form some of our key chains in the eyewitness attestation to the apostolic authorship of the New Testament. If the author of the link wants to disregard such references because they are not explicitly recorded in Scripture, what is their basis for believing in Scripture? And what is their basis for assuming they have more accurate information about Peter's biography than Clement, Irenaeus, and other early Church Fathers who wrote about Peter's life? The author's approach is epistemologically untenable.

    4. The author says, "Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20), and the 'loosing and binding' authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11)." This does not address the binding and loosing authority given specifically to Peter in Matthew 16. It also sidesteps the crucial question of what this binding and loosing authority was with respect to either Peter or other church leaders. In a 1st-century Jewish context, this terminology referred to the authority of the religious authorities to permit or forbid by indisputable authority. Jesus' language is giving Peter this authority. We see Peter exercising this authority in Acts 15 in concord with James and the apostles. This model of church government practiced by the Jerusalem church formed the basis for that adopted by the Roman church, as Clement records and elaborates.

    5. The link states, "Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23). . .It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors." This ignores Scripture's reference to the authority of apostolic traditions and directives, as when Paul says, "For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance" (1 Corinthians 15:3) or when the Jerusalem church chose Judas and Silas to accompany the letter to accompany Paul and Barnabas to Antioch to convey the decision of the Jerusalem leaders (Acts 15:22-23). It also ignores the fact that when Paul sent Titus and Luke to the Corinthians in the passage from 2 Corinthians 8 the author cites, he included a warning about the consequences of disobeying their instructions: "This will be my third visit to you. 'Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.' I already gave you a warning when I was with you the second time. I now repeat it while absent: On my return I will not spare those who sinned earlier or any of the others, since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me." (2 Corinthians 13:1-3) Paul may have appealed to sympathy for Titus as a fellow laborer, but he also made it clear that Titus carried Paul's own authority with him.

    There are other problems with the link's arguments, but rather than exegeting each passage cited, I will conclude by addressing one other key point you raise. You write: "Regarding the Pope’s ability to forgive sins is ignoring the Bible. As one reads the Bible in it’s entirety it leads one to the conclusion that it is through Christ and Christ alone through which we have forgiveness." Christ is indeed the One who forgives, but the Bible in its entirety teaches that Christ can extend His forgiveness through His representatives. The Bible in its entirety includes these passages: "If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven." (John 20:23) "Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed." (James 5:14-16)

  • The Papacy in Scripture – No Rocks Required

    03/14/2014 5:06:27 PM PDT · 54 of 70
    Fedora to ealgeone; NYer
    The error at issue was the misinterpretation of petros/petra you advanced that Carsons refuted. Carsons' quote demonstrates how Protestants scholars with a genuine knowledge of Greek recognize that Jesus is talking about Peter in this passage. Changing the subject to indulgences, papal infallibility, or molestation doesn't address the exegetical issue. There are volumes of discussions available on all these topics if you are genuinely interested in learning about them--for instance, on indulgences you might start with the arguments Augustine advanced in his Enchiridion, where he brings the topic up while discussing the Last Things, with numerous Scripture references referenced in the discussion--but regardless of the conclusions one reaches from studying those resources, the fact is that in Matthew 16 Jesus says very emphatically that Peter is the rock on which he will build His Church, and it would be unbiblical to ignore what the Lord said here with such emphasis in such a key passage. The fundamental exegetical question any commentator who wants to be Biblical has to wrestle with first and foremost is not Protestantism-vs-Catholicism, but: why does Matthew record Jesus saying what He does here? Following up on that question: why did Jesus say it? Why, after Peter becomes the first apostle to recognize that Jesus is "the Messiah, the Son of the Living God," does Jesus take pains to emphasize that 1) Peter is blessed because this was revealed to him by the Father in Heaven and not by men; 2)Peter is the Rock on which the Church will be built; 3) Peter is given the keys to the kingdom with the authority to bind and loose? Jesus is saying something important here, and His wordplay on "rock" is drawing our attention to it. Trying to artificially parse "rock" by resorting to fallacious grammatical arguments so that it doesn't refer to Peter is missing the forest for the trees.
  • The Papacy in Scripture – No Rocks Required

    03/13/2014 11:54:06 PM PDT · 49 of 70
    Fedora to ealgeone; NYer
    In the Greek, the word rock (petra) is not capitalized indicating this was not a new name for Peter in this context.

    Actually, in the original manuscripts of the NT and in the earliest manuscripts of Matthew's Gospel, ALL Greek letters are in all caps. There was no distinction between uppercase and lowercase letters in Greek until the Greek miniscule script was invented in the 9th century A.D.

    Also, regarding petros vs. petra, these sometimes (mainly when used in poetry) conveyed nuances differences in the older Attic form of Greek that was used from about the 5th to 3rd century B.C., but these words were synonymous in the Koine Greek of the NT era, as pointed out by knowledgeable Protestant commentators such as Baptist New Testament professor Donald A. Carsons III in the Expositors Bible Commentary Volume 8: "Although it is true that petros and petra can mean "stone" and "rock" respectively in earlier Greek, the distinction is largely confined to poetry. Moreover, the underlying Aramaic is in this case dubious at best; and most probably kepha was used in both clauses ("you are kepha" and "on this kepha"), since the word was used both for a name and for a "rock". The Peshitta (written in Syriac, a language cognate with Aramaic) makes no distinction between the words in the two clauses. The Greek makes the distinction between petros and petra simply because it is trying to preserve the pun, and in Greek the feminine petra could not very well serve as a masculine name."" Jesus' wordplay only makes sense in Greek or in English if his back-to-back uses of "rock" and "this rock" both refer to Peter. As Carsons puts it in the Zondervan NIV Bible Commentary, "if it were not for Protestant reactions against extremes of Roman Catholic interpretations, it is doubtful whether many would have taken 'rock' to be anything or anyone other than Peter."

  • Scott Walker, eyeing 2016, faces fallout from probes as ex-aide’s e-mails are released

    02/19/2014 10:34:32 PM PST · 46 of 47
    Fedora to 7thson
    Who was the New Jersey ex-gov, Senator, and stock guy that walked away with billions of dollars? No charges. No investigation. No reporting.

    You're thinking of Senator Robert Torricelli, perhaps?

  • Harry Reid on the hot seat: Ethics probe demanded by watchdog group

    01/22/2014 5:49:26 PM PST · 22 of 23
    Fedora to Fedora

    From the above link in my previous post:
    “An investigative report by Los Angeles Times reporters Chuck Neubauer and Richard Cooper cited over 20 similar instances involving Senator Reid, either Rory Reid or other members of the Reid family, and special interest groups representing gambling, real estate, mining, and other areas. Over a four-year period from 1999 to 2003, the authors found, the Reid family’s various firms ‘collected more than $2 million in lobbying fees from special interests that were represented by the kids and helped by the senator in Washington.’”

  • Harry Reid on the hot seat: Ethics probe demanded by watchdog group

    01/22/2014 5:48:11 PM PST · 21 of 23
    Fedora to Cincinatus' Wife
    "The complaint also notes that Mr. Reid’s son, Rory Reid, and his law firm are legal counsel to the SLS Hotel & Casino."

    Harry's Henchman Rory Reid

  • Feds say they disrupted suicide bomb plot against Wichita airport

    12/14/2013 9:42:02 PM PST · 95 of 105
    Fedora to piasa
    Ping for database cross-reference check. Reminds me of this from last May:

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/saudi-man-with-pressure-cooker-arrested-at-detroit-airport/

  • The Biblical Roots of the Sign of the Cross

    11/06/2013 3:42:10 PM PST · 26 of 26
    Fedora to NYer
    Usage of the Sign of the Cross is also mentioned in The Apostolic Tradition, a record of church practices from about the 3rd century.
  • Cardinal O’Malley explains the pope’s silence on abortion

    08/10/2013 4:40:37 PM PDT · 57 of 62
    Fedora to Mrs. Don-o

    I agree—saw your post after I posted mine.

  • Cardinal O’Malley explains the pope’s silence on abortion

    08/10/2013 4:39:00 PM PDT · 56 of 62
    Fedora to NYer

    The lead’s summary of O’Malley’s quote doesn’t match his actual quote a few paragraphs down.

  • Charles Barkley on Zimmerman Trial: ‘I Agreed With the Verdict’

    07/19/2013 1:45:31 PM PDT · 25 of 25
    Fedora to nickcarraway

    Barkley went on to add that he felt the entire affair was “turrible,” before digressing into an op-ed on Kim Jong Il.

  • Jesse Jackson: 'Inclination' To Treat Florida As 'Apartheid State'

    07/19/2013 1:40:53 PM PDT · 35 of 35
    Fedora to 2ndDivisionVet

    Too bad we can’t boycott Jesse’s mouth.

  • ‘I WAS TRAYVON’: PRESIDENT OBAMA TODAY MAKES MATTER WORSE

    07/19/2013 1:35:35 PM PDT · 14 of 93
    Fedora to Tailgunner Joe

    They do have a lot in common: Obama is a no-good thug, too.

  • Detroit preparing for bankruptcy filing as early as Friday: report

    07/18/2013 2:24:34 PM PDT · 50 of 57
    Fedora to dfwgator

    LOL there have been a few video games that gave me the same thought, I’m actually surprised they don’t have one yet!

  • Detroit preparing for bankruptcy filing as early as Friday: report

    07/18/2013 2:19:13 PM PDT · 47 of 57
    Fedora to dfwgator

    They can always rejuvenate the New Detroit economy by rolling out the 6000SUX. . .

  • (Federal) Judge delays enforcement of Wisconsin abortion law

    07/09/2013 9:09:30 PM PDT · 35 of 35
    Fedora to Jean S

    Grounds for impeaching Conley. There is a troubling lack of justification for his continuing to usurp the role of justice.

  • (UK education secretary) Gove declares war on the use of the word ‘gay’ as an insult

    07/07/2013 12:47:41 PM PDT · 12 of 79
    Fedora to Olog-hai

    Is Gove the Education Secretary or the Re-education Secretary?

  • Lucky Charms Goes Gay

    07/01/2013 1:09:54 PM PDT · 72 of 107
    Fedora to YourAdHere

    I have eaten my last box of Lucky Charms. The box of Trix I am currently finishing also will be my last.

  • Pondering the Mysterious Word in the Lord’s Prayer No One Can Agree how to Translate

    06/23/2013 10:43:20 AM PDT · 64 of 65
    Fedora to NYer; Stingray
    What Stingray says is also how Liddell and Scott explain the derivation of the root word: from "he epiousa [hemera]" (vs. ousios as Msgr. Pope has it) where hemera is the word for "day" and epi is from the prefix for "on"/"upon"/"at the time of"/etc. (depending on the case and context). If you follow the first link I gave (to Strong's commentary on epiousa), it relates the etymology to epieper and gives several occurrences of the latter with multiple lexical references.
  • Catholic NFL Star Declines Invitation to the White House Because of Obama Abortion Stance

    06/07/2013 11:10:29 PM PDT · 51 of 51
    Fedora to NYer

    Excellent! I hope his courage inspires others.

  • Louisiana Democratic Party chief says ObamaCare critics motivated by race

    05/30/2013 7:40:11 PM PDT · 15 of 29
    Fedora to tobyhill

    State Sen. Karen Carter Peterson: motivated by idiocy.

  • Developer guilty of illegal contributions to Harry Reid

    05/30/2013 11:53:20 AM PDT · 19 of 19
    Fedora to MissesBush; piasa
    Glad they finally made some progress on this. From Part 5 of my 2007 series on Reid:

    Harvey Whittemore of Lionel, Sawyer & Collins, the most powerful lobbyist in Nevada, who has represented numerous gambling interests, notably fellow Reid contributor Steve Wynn. Whittemore has employed all four of Reid’s sons, and Reid has repeatedly come under criticism for using his influence to promote legislation favorable to a Coyote Springs Valley real estate development project where Whittemore has been represented by Reid’s son Leif. Whittemore contributed $5,000 to Searchlight in December 1997.

    Caught in the Searchlight: Hsu, Reid, and the Searchlight Leadership Fund

  • Author: Soviet agents subverted US in 1930s

    05/28/2013 11:59:42 AM PDT · 130 of 135
    Fedora to kearnyirish2

    Hitler’s Britain strategy was prone to tip either way over a strategic dilemma. On the one hand, as you point out, he hoped to keep peace with Britain to avoid fighting on two fronts. His overall calculation as recorded by Field Marshal von Leeb was that it was preferable not to smash Britain “because the beneficiaries will not be Germany but Japan in the east, Russia in India, Italy in the Mediterranean and America in world trade.” On the other hand, von Leeb also recorded, he did not hold out high hope that Britain would make peace for two reasons: she hoped for U.S. aid; she hoped to play Russia against Germany. Given this evaluation, while holding out hope that a fight with Britain could be avoided, Hitler expected it would come anyway, and planned and moved accordingly.

    With respect to the postwar break-up of the British and French empires, this was indeed one of the big outcomes of the war, and one that FDR pursued deliberately.

  • Author: Soviet agents subverted US in 1930s

    05/27/2013 7:20:44 PM PDT · 122 of 135
    Fedora to kearnyirish2

    After Munich, Britain had made the decision to declare war if Hitler made *any* more territorial grabs, in Poland or elsewhere. Letting Germany take Poland unanswered would have been tantamount to letting them take the rest of Europe, which would have had the effect of excluding Britain from any influence on the Continent and allowing the Axis powers to strangle Britain’s naval routes, placing Britain entirely at Germany’s mercy once they had finished with Russia and developed the atomic bomb. In 1939 there was no guarantee that Germany would attack Russia first. Hitler had been debating who to attack first for years, and did not definitively decide to attack Russia first until the end of 1940, after he had reached a tipping point in his concern that Soviet advances in the Baltic might preclude a future German attack on Russia and that Soviet control of Romania might cut off Germany’s oil supply. Hitler and his generals debated the issue of attacking Russia until Hitler finally convinced Goering (during a November 13, 1940 discussion following a Molotov visit to Berlin) on the grounds that Russian conquests would supply the food and oil needed to defeat Britain. As this indicates, attacking Britain was by this point a given for the German planners, it was just a matter of when. They had been subverting Britain from within since before the war in the hopes of installing a German-friendly regime. Hitler’s hope was to keep the United States out of the war long enough to take Britain before the U.S. could intervene. Without U.S. aid, and if Germany had held off on the Russian front longer than it did, and especially if Germany’s atomic bomb program had reached completion, subjugation of Britain was a real risk.

    That said, I will grant that a strategic case could have been made to let Germany and Russia slug it out while Britain built its military strength elsewhere around the German Empire’s periphery, instead of committing to Stalin’s Second Front demands. Once the Allies had committed to a Second Front, Britain’s main goal was to stall the Allied invasion of Europe long enough to build up sufficient forces for victory, for fear that the U.S. was pushing too hard for an immediate invasion of Europe from Britain in 1942 before there was a sufficient build-up. Marshall was pushing for FDR to attack Europe from Britain immediately, arguing that if the Allies did not attack in 1942-1943 Germany would knock Russia out of the war. Britain feared an attack this early would have to be too small to achieve significant success, and ran the risk of letting Germany and Japan achieve enough naval dominance in the East to cut off Allied oil supplies from the Persian Gulf. So the British and Americans went back and forth on this, and meanwhile the Soviets of course pushed in favor of the Second Front and worked on influencing the Americans who leaned towards that option, especially Harry Hopkins and Marshall. The invasion that ultimately unfolded was the result of this tug-of-war over the direction of the Allied strategy.

  • The Trinity: A Mystery for Eternity

    05/27/2013 10:13:06 AM PDT · 17 of 17
    Fedora to BereanBrain

    Thanks for elaborating. A couple other examples I was thinking about last night were Abraham’s three visitors in Genesis 18 and the seraphim’s three “Holies” in Isaiah 6.