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  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 2:32:19 PM PDT · 64 of 68
    Finny to xone; zeugma
    Xone, "accuracy" is pure illusion, I am sad to tell you (I earn my living with language and writing) -- it is ALWAYS subjective, and I guarandamn-tee you that no matter how carefully you intend to be accurate with whatever language you choose, SOMEONE will read a different meaning into a word and render your own choice of language "inaccurate."

    How else could the accurately, clearly written Constitution end up so bastardized in spite of its accurate, concise language?

    Coming from someone whose entire life and income is centered around the "accurate" use of language, would you like the language that applies to this very thorny truth that accuracy in language is illusion, and you must somehow deal with it ALWAYS?

    One word: PRIORITIES.

    The misuse of the word "machine gun" is of low priority here.

    TOP priority is the misuse of language in the MSM, where "gangs" and "clubs" are used interchangeably, where "experts" are demonstrably so inept that either they have zero clue of who they are arresting OR they are dismal failures at catching violent criminals even when they're proudly wearing signs on their back identifying them as such (fewer than one in three of these so-called criminals had ever been arrested before).

    Get your priorities straight and stop playing fetch the stick every time somebody throws an errant word at you.

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 2:19:59 PM PDT · 63 of 68
    Finny to xone
    Why don't you just come out and admit that you'd rather see people here arguing about things that in the big picture, are tiny details, rather than to discuss the big picture?

    It's pretty obvious that THAT is where you're at.

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 2:10:17 PM PDT · 61 of 68
    Finny to xone
    Excuse me, dear -- manipulation and misuse of language is how propagandists work, and it is WHY and HOW the vast majority of Americans are oblivious to what happened at Waco and why "jack has been accomplished."

    Knee-jerking and implying that anyone who disputes your position is using tactics of the Left, is a waste of time. That you don't recognize the leftist tactic of distracting people and dividing them getting then to argue over whether or not the gun that killed someone was a "machine gun" or high-powered rifle, is AMERICA's PROBLEM, not just your own. I am sad to say.

  • Waco Twin Peaks Judge Reverses Decision to Extend ‘Pick-A-Pal’ Grand Jury

    07/07/2015 12:32:35 PM PDT · 25 of 30
    Finny to Robert Teesdale
    And in the struggle against the collectivists that is now approaching a low intensity domestic conflict, you would do well to bluntly acknowledge that real fighting is ugly, and done by hard men, and it will not be men in chinos and polo shirts that bleed, kill and die to preserve the United States.

    MEGA BUMP

  • Waco Twin Peaks Judge Reverses Decision to Extend ‘Pick-A-Pal’ Grand Jury

    07/07/2015 12:29:12 PM PDT · 24 of 30
    Finny to Ethan Clive Osgoode
    Gee -- looks just like my uncle, the life-long biker! And one of my brothers, another life-long biker! And like Ray (RIP) and Steve and John N. and John B. and Kelly and about half a dozen other bikers I've known for at least 30 years, plus another easy dozen bikers I've only known for about eight years -- "nice freedom loving patriots" whom cops would be wrong to bully!

    I mean, after all, all those people I know very well and most of them for all my life, several of them BLOOD RELATIVES, are BIKERS and therefore must be just like this Hell's Angel guy, right, ECO?

    Thanks for insulting members of my family and very close loyal friends!

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 12:06:32 PM PDT · 56 of 68
    Finny to catnipman
    FRIEND -- I'm not going to give up on you, catnipman.

    How about responding to THIS post? There is ZERO that insults you in it.

    So ... you think that it's just engaging in "nutter" madness to smell something pretty ugly in the fact that out of 177 hardened criminal bikers arrested at Twin Peaks, less than a third actually had criminal records? And then held on million dollar bail, held captive from going to their jobs and paying their bills for two weeks to more than a month, and then had to pay thousands, if not tens of thousands, to get out of jail and AT THAT had to pay many hundreds for the privilege of wearing an ankle monitor? And 117 of these people had absolutely ZERO criminal histories? NOT to mention that of the NINE dead, four had zero criminal records and one of them didn't even belong to a motorcycle club -- er, "gang," in your parlance -- at all?

    And now, every single one of those people not only has an arrest record, but one with very serious charges, that they will have to account for on every job application and every background check for the rest of their lives? You think being upset over that is a "nutter" point of view?

    THOSE ARE THE FACTS -- nearly 120 people with no prior criminal histories were, at the point of a gun and with the backing of "the law," very harshly punished, their professional and financial lives permanently harmed, WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. The info above is not from a "motorcycle gang propaganda website that started the nutter-right echo chamber meme ..." etc.. They are FACTS.

    They MEAN that Civil Servants in law enforcement and the courts have different rights that the citizens/civilians they ostensibly "serve." Civil servants get to skip due process and administer very harsh punishment first if they think it is merited, then if it was wrong, answer for it many years down the line after lots of expensive court fights.

    Quite clearly, the courts now fail miserably in protecting citizens and civilians from abusive Civil Servants. Those Civil Servants rule with an iron fist, and the courts will back them up and make innocent law-abiding Americans wait for YEARS after having their financial lives "legally" destroyed, in order for the courts to "sort it all out."

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 11:56:25 AM PDT · 55 of 68
    Finny to xone; zeugma
    Distractions through semantics, that's all this is, and troll/dupes use distractions such as these to DIVERT the conversation from the actual topic at hand -- to wit, harsh punishment administered without due process by law enforcement/court system Civil Servants, upon:

    -- 177 individuals...
    --in a mass arrest at a long-planned, pre-announced public political gathering of an ESTABLISHED 20-plus-year-old nation-wide confederation of peaceful citizens...
    -- wherein 117 of those arrested had ZERO criminal histories, yet all were rounded up at gunpoint and incarcerated for two weeks to more than a month with original bonds being set at a million dollars for each and every one of them.

    Who gives a flying rat's patoot about the semantics of "machine gun" -- the distractors, that's who. STAY FOCUSED on the ground game -- the mass use of armed force by "civil servants" against law-abiding American patriots they ostensibly "serve," and the subsequent destruction of those law-abiding citizens' reputations, finances, professional and personal lives.

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 11:34:06 AM PDT · 51 of 68
    Finny to catnipman
    Call me whatever names you want, catnipman. I apologize -- you are smarter than a gator, okay? Feel better?

    NOW tell me WHY you are okay with the fact that two thirds of supposedly "criminal" bikers had zero zip nada criminal histories, and yet all 117 of them were held on million dollar bail away from their homes, work, and employment for two weeks to more than a month, and charged many thousands of dollars to regain their freedom?

    And now those 117 individuals who had never been arrested or charged with a crime in their lives, NOW have permanent arrest records reflecting a very serious charge, that will challenge them on every application or background check for the rest of their lives?

    Just for being at a COCI meeting where VERY uncharacteristically (hundreds of such meetings had been held for more than 20 years all over the US with ZERO violent incidents, another FACT you can confirm for yourself if you don't believe me) a tiny handful of thug bikers got in a fight?

    Care to explain why you think we're "nutters" for questioning the official police narrative that this was just a bunch of bad thugs getting what they deserve?

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 11:25:49 AM PDT · 50 of 68
    Finny to catnipman; All
    ALL LURKERS and READERS alert --

    This good FReeper, I know he's a good freeper because I've seen him around for many years, DEFLECTS real discussion of a dangerous event, choosing instead to lick his hurt feelings when I traded tit-for-tat because his INTRODUCTION of himself to this thread, was to immediately state plainly that he thinks MY side is indulging in "right wing nutter meme" stuff.

    Double standards -- he insults me and don-o and all of the rest of us informed folks here who with good reason smell nefarious cover-up at Waco, and then when I civilly, lightly suggest that he's too dumb to be a cat but smart enough to be a dim-bulb gator, he REFUSES to discuss the issue and instead wants to focus on his hurt feelings.

    THIS is sad, and THIS KIND OF GARBAGE is what Americans should avoid when trying to deal with as serious an abuse of power and as big a threat to our freedom, as the mass arrest of legal patriots at Waco represented.

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 11:16:00 AM PDT · 49 of 68
    Finny to catnipman
    Is my apology accepted?

    Do you feel better now?

    Good -- let's get back to business. You are okay with the fact that a full two thirds of these supposed "criminal bikers" had zero criminal pasts?

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 9:45:36 AM PDT · 42 of 68
    Finny to catnipman; don-o; All
    In other words, you still know very little about the devil-in-the-details Waco story, you accuse ME, don-o, and many others of being on the same level of "right wing nutter meme" idiots ...

    .... because you are ignorant. But because you cannot admit your ignorance, you have to turn the conversation to a false topic -- your feelings were hurt, but it's perfectly okay if you make it plain you think I'm a right-wing "nutter."

    Okay -- I apologize for hurting your feelings. You don't have to apologize for insulting me, I'm okay. Keep it.

    Do you feel better now? Good.

    NOW let's get back to business. You are okay with the fact that a full two thirds of these supposed "criminal bikers" had zero criminal pasts?

  • Waco Secret Of The Day

    07/07/2015 8:39:34 AM PDT · 33 of 68
    Finny to catnipman
    So ... you think that it's just engaging in "nutter" madness to smell something pretty ugly in the fact that out of 177 hardened criminal bikers arrested at Twin Peaks, less than a third actually had criminal records? And then held on million dollar bail, held captive from going to their jobs and paying their bills for two weeks to more than a month, and then had to pay thousands, if not tens of thousands, to get out of jail and AT THAT had to pay many hundreds for the privilege of wearing an ankle monitor? And 117 of these people had absolutely ZERO criminal histories?

    NOT to mention that of the NINE dead, four had zero criminal records and one of them didn't even belong to a motorcycle club -- er, "gang," in your parlance -- at all?

    And now, every single one of those people not only has an arrest record, but one with very serious charges, that they will have to account for on every job application and every background check for the rest of their lives? You think being upset over that is a "nutter" point of view?

    You are too dumb to be a cat. Call yourself gator-nip man, please, as gators have all the intelligence of a door knob, and what you posted fits that bill.

    THOSE ARE THE FACTS -- nearly 120 people with no prior criminal histories were, at the point of a gun and with the backing of "the law," very harshly punished, their professional and financial lives permanently harmed, WITHOUT DUE PROCESS. The info above is not from a "motorcycle gang propaganda website that started the nutter-right echo chamber meme ..." etc.. They are FACTS.

    They MEAN that Civil Servants in law enforcement and the courts have different rights that the citizens/civilians they ostensibly "serve." Civil servants get to skip due process and administer very harsh punishment first if they think it is merited, then if it was wrong, answer for it many years down the line after lots of expensive court fights.

    Quite clearly, the courts now fail miserably in protecting citizens and civilians from abusive Civil Servants. Those Civil Servants rule with an iron fist, and the courts will back them up and make innocent law-abiding Americans wait for YEARS after having their financial lives "legally" destroyed, in order for the courts to "sort it all out."

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 7:18:48 PM PDT · 125 of 147
    Finny to saleman
    Would you please not try to outsmart yourself. Cause it ain’t working.

    Love it!! {^]

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 5:04:42 PM PDT · 130 of 146
    Finny to kiryandil
    They're being deprived of a way to make a living, AND forced to spend money defending themselves from prosecutors with a blank checkbook....What's being done is malicious - similar to the malicious things done by officials and courts in the American colonies before the Revolutionary War.

    Well said. BUMP

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 4:53:10 PM PDT · 122 of 147
    Finny to TexasGator
    ORIGINAL sources, dear. Just because the Waco Tribune or some "expert" from another state says this was the scuttlebutt among bikers, or reports what the Waco PD claim they heard was brewing between one "gang" and another, doesn't mean they are separate sources, it only means they were reported in different venues. They ALL originate from LEO. INCLUDING information gathered from "police informants" that LEO deigns to share with we mere peasants.

    Any Cossacks who claim this is so -- no doubt you have found one or two -- you have ZIP idea whether that Cossack is an under-cover cop, or whether an authentic Cossack was TOLD of the supposed "battle is brewing" by an undercover cop who wants him to believe it. ANY claims from Cossacks OR Bandidos as to the truth of a "fight brewing" or not, denial or admission, are off the table and rejected as a credible, in my book, and I have read where Bandidos outright deny any intent to "rumble" over territory or that there was even dispute in the first place. I'd like to believe them, but what I'd like to believe has zero to do with what is actually believable.

    In your book, you believe what you want to believe.

    In my book, I believe what I HAVE to believe, even when I hate it.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 3:46:30 PM PDT · 123 of 146
    Finny to AMDG&BVMH; RitaOK
    An opinion along the same lines of posting the opinion way back when, "No one will know whether O.J. is innocent until the jury has all the facts."

    An opinion that says Civil Servants have the right to severely and permanently punish without due process law-abiding peaceful citizens at the point of a gun and with the backing of the courts, is the opinion of a would-be killer of American freedom, whether they are aware of it or not.

    Sure, you, Rita, and others waffle and obfuscate and say, "No, we're saying wait for the courts to sort it out!"

    Opinion has to do with the rightness or wrongness of it. FACT has to do with the reality, and the FACT, the REALITY is, that the courts are way, way too late to sort it out. It's like saying it makes sense to take the patient to the hospital for treatment a week after the patient died.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 3:09:16 PM PDT · 109 of 147
    Finny to saleman; truth_seeker
    Some where ya’ll got the idea that the only reason that the bikers were meeting was to fight.

    Law enforcement "experts" SAID so. That has been their official narrative from the start, and LEO "gang experts" or reports of their claims, are the ONLY sources from which falsely-named "truth seeker" heard it.

    Self-interested law enforcement "experts" are the ONLY source of that claim. I've dug and looked and read through MANY MANY news reports from "established" journalists over the weeks since May 17, as well as non-news blogs, and the reality is that the ONLY source of claims that a fight was brewing, comes from LEO.

    Falsely labeled folks like TS regard as reliable the word of police "experts" who are demonstrably FAILURES at being "experts" in their field -- if they were such experts, then how is it that two thirds of these criminal scumbbags wearing patches announcing themselves as belonging to a band of murders, violent thieves, meth-pushers, human traffickers, kidnappers, and extortionists, had managed to EVADE arrest until the lucky break (for law enforcement "experts" on scene) of them opening fire at each other during Waco to justify their mass arrest?

    It isn't rocket science, there are MANY facts in evidence and full view, and the truth is as easy to discern as the acts of reading, due diligence, and critical thinking. Either that, O.J. really wasn't guilty and anyone who thinks he was is ignorant of the "facts."

    But just like Civil Servants clearly have different rights than the rest of us in that they can use armed forces to administer mass punishment to citizens/civilians first and only be held accountable much later and at great expense to the punished, whereas citizens/civilians must wait for years to challenge the legality of Civil Servants wrongful use of armed force --

    -- it is equally clear that many patriotic Americans are too faint of heart to face up to hard, sad truths like the first-of-its-kind successful mass use of police authority to punish without due process innocent citizens in a specific political demographic gathered at an open political meeting, that went down at Waco on May 17.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 2:08:09 PM PDT · 98 of 147
    Finny to saleman
    Well, just because you read it here doesn't mean it's true (wink wink), it's "true" because law enforcement has assured us that Waco was a bunch of hardened criminal conspiring to commit violent acts against each other!

    It was VERY brave of those Texas law enforcement experts to admit this. Fewer than one in three of the Waco criminals, all but one residents of Texas, had ever been caught before in Texas committing even the smallest misdemeanor (two thirds had zero criminal record at all, heaven forbid!) even though they habitually and proudly wear SIGNS on their BACKS broadcasting their criminal intent and status to police "experts" and anyone else!

    So it was quite brave of Texas law enforcement to expose the difference between the 9-11 DC patriot bikers and the 177 criminal scumbags at Waco, because in revealing it, they also indirectly admitted that Texas law "experts" are very, very bad at catching the murdering, kidnapping, human-trafficking, thieving, meth-pushing extortionist criminals of whom they have such "expert" knowledge.

    So bad, in fact, that they indirectly ADMIT that the only way to catch these wily hardened criminals, who have obviously managed to evade arrest MOST of the time over the years in spite of the fact that they wear insignia and patches announcing their criminality, is to mass-arrest them in groups at a public restaurant, and THAT WAY establish the criminal records that up to that point, these violent criminal scuzzballs so grievously lacked! The poor cops HAD to arrest them if only to establish records!!

    Good point you make -- we read it RIGHT HERE!!! And it came from a trustworthy source -- Texas law enforcement so humble as to admit to their own utter dismal failure as effective lawmen when dealing with criminals!

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 1:45:44 PM PDT · 91 of 147
    Finny to saleman
    Let’s say that a Crip kills someone. Hard to believe, but it could happen.....So, law enforcement goes and arrests every Crip in Chicago? Why not? They keep detailed records on every known gang affiliate. Why is this not happening?

    Because Crips didn't ride to Washington DC on 9-11-13 by the tens of thouands or hundreds (probably hundreds) of thousands (no actual counts exist and Snopes "official" count is as questionable and dubious as the claim of 800,000 to 1.2 million it claims to debunk) from every state in America in angry, patriotic counter-protest to the so-called "Million Muslim" march? Like American bikers did?

    Because Crips aren't likely to be Veterans? Like American bikers are? Because Crips aren't likely to be American flag wavers they way American bikers are? Because Crips pose ZERO organized threat to resisting uncontsitutional government tyranny, the way freedom-loving patriotic American bikers do?

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 1:31:53 PM PDT · 89 of 147
    Finny to PA Engineer; Jim Robinson

    Ping to Jim for PA’s post 88. Just a heads-up.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 1:19:11 PM PDT · 96 of 146
    Finny to Sherman Logan
    When massive numbers of people are engaged in a fracas ...

    ... except that they weren't at Waco. The VAST MAJORITY were very far away from where the fracas went down.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 1:09:55 PM PDT · 89 of 146
    Finny to don-o; JJ_Folderol

    Amen, don-o. I am so grateful to you and to JJ F for keeping this issue as much front-and-center as possible. God bless and keep you and yours.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 1:06:43 PM PDT · 86 of 147
    Finny to JJ_Folderol; sport; All
    And DO note that as of right now, that out of the last ELEVEN posts on this thread, TEN of them are by THREE dupes who go to great trouble to make themselves not to look like the small group of tyranny defenders that they are.

    It is repeated observable behavior on virtually every one of these threads -- a concerted effort to out-volume because they are in fact VERY MUCH outnumbered.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:52:25 PM PDT · 78 of 146
    Finny to Cboldt

    Thanks! I’m heartened. Waco is very frightening because it IS “Zimmerman times 150 or more,” it is PLAIN and OBVIOUS that it is so, yet there are so many frightened, timid, naïve people here who not only close their eyes to it, but attack those of us with the courage to accept a hard truth, a truth hard as a rock: American law enforcement has officially turned toward military-style tyranny.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:44:27 PM PDT · 73 of 146
    Finny to Sherman Logan
    There is already sufficient evidence to PROVE that this was a mass abuse of power by Civil Servants.

    Comparing it to cases involving one or two people and he-said she-said cop malfeasance, is wrong headed.

    This was CLEAR mass abuse of police power, wherein 117 people without any criminal histories at all, and another 60 with criminal records ranging from misdemeanor arrests many years old to a small handful individuals with convictions on serious violent charges -- ALL of those people were immediately and harshly punished without due process, their financial, professional, and personal lives SEVERELY harmed and damaged permanently with a now-existent "criminal record" and felony charges of murder and "gang" conspiracy to commit it.

    That is not opinion, it is not speculation, IT IS A FACT ALREADY IN EVIDENCE.

    You can afford to wait for the Courts to "sort it all out." This time. But if you are at all active in any clubs, then next time or the time after that, you may be the one languishing in jail while your reputation and income-earning ability is "legally" destroyed, while "sensible, level-headed" people tell you to be "open minded" in case the cops were wrong and arrested you wrongly.

    WHY? Because Waco has already established that Civil Servants can get away with mass abuse of power SCOT FREE, and only risk paying any consequences YEARS down the road. Those Civil Servants apparently have very different rights that thee and me, Sherman, and it is VERY dangerous to thee and me.

    Wake up.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:31:05 PM PDT · 64 of 146
    Finny to Cboldt; RitaOK
    Yep. But by the time the legal process runs its course, it will be TOO LATE for the 117 to 150 people whose lives were wrongly, criminally harmed by abusive Civil Servants. Indeed, it is TOO LATE NOW to remedy the damage done to them, let alone three or four very EXPENSIVE years from now.

    More to the point, if another Waco happened again tomorrow somewhere else in America and 150 innocent Americans' lives were destroyed by Civil Servants legally allowed to administer punishment first and apply due process MUCH later, the same "legal process" would shield and protect abusive Civil Servants in their use of armed FORCE against the civilians/citizens they ostensibly "serve," but over whom they effectively rule with an IRON FIST.

    Waco establishes fully that the courts now FAIL to protect in any meaningful way, citizens/civilians from Civil Servants who abuse their power on a mass scale.

    THAT is the most dangerous precedent being set by Waco. Rita needs to squeeze her eyes shut to a truth she is not capable of handling, and so must call observers of history repeating itself, "conspiracy theorists" in order to salve her own heart -- that 's what I think. I am very, very disappointed and disillusioned with Rita OK as well as many other FReepers who had me fooled into thinking all these years that the were thoughtful patriots, but who are proving to be naïve dupes of tyranny along the lines of Good Germans in the 1930s.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:21:59 PM PDT · 54 of 146
    Finny to hadaclueonce
    NO, all I am doing is stating the obvious: You are obviously LYING when you claim that all you want is to know the truth.

    You want to know what someone else thinks the truth is. Like I say -- if you wanted to know the truth, you'd have done the research and would know it right now.

    You are only fooling yourself.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:19:22 PM PDT · 52 of 146
    Finny to RitaOK; isthisnickcool
    Personally, I think FReepers like RitaOK, who believe things like: The rest of us who prefer to wait for the damn trial are treated like pests for not mobbing it up with the pitch fork crowd, are living in a dream world. It is crystal clear that Waco represents a precedent established wherein Civil Servants are more equal than the civilians/citizens they serve.

    Poor old Rita, safe and secure in her own belief that conspiracies and abuses of government power only happen in other countries, fails utterly to see the facts in front of her; indeed, she struggles valiantly to pretend they aren't there, that waiting YEARS for MANY TRIALS for at least 117 Americans who had ZERO criminal histories or arrests, whose lives have already been grievously harmed, is well and good.

    People with mindsets like Rita OKs are how America will die.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:12:18 PM PDT · 45 of 146
    Finny to Sherman Logan; sport

    Sherman, you don’t just try — you succeed! You succeed, that is, in using a lot of words to stay smack dab on the fence, the better to pretend “open mindedness.”

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:09:34 PM PDT · 43 of 146
    Finny to sport

    LOLOL!! My thoughts exactly — well said!!

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:07:43 PM PDT · 42 of 146
    Finny to isthisnickcool

    By the way -— AMEN to your good post! Didn’t mean to sound snippy in my post above! Lo siento!!

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:06:42 PM PDT · 41 of 146
    Finny to isthisnickcool
    Some of these “bikers” may be bad guys or not at all.

    SOME??? Fully two thirds of them had zero criminal pasts!

    MOST of "these 'bikers'" were very probably GOOD GUYS.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 12:02:16 PM PDT · 37 of 146
    Finny to hadaclueonce
    All I want is the truth.

    Really? Or is all you want is to have somebody else tell you what they think the truth was, and leave you to dispute it at will because "nobody knows what the truth was here"?

    If you want the truth, you can GO OUT AND GET IT for yourself just by investing enough hours of reading and effort. I'll condense it for you: The TRUTH is that Civil Servants skipped due process and harshly and severely punished and permanently crippled financially and professionally, nearly 120 law-abiding Americans with ZERO prior criminal history. The TRUTH is that those Civil Servants will ONLY be held accountable and possibly punished many years from now, whereas their victims have ALREADY been punished very, very harshly and will FOREVER have an arrest record reflecting a very serious charge that will follow them and harm their reputations on every job application and background check.

    That TRUTH is easily discoverable if YOU do a little due diligence.

    If you really want the truth, you will invest the effort and time to get it.

  • Don Carlos seeks to block release of shootout surveillance video

    07/06/2015 11:53:54 AM PDT · 32 of 146
    Finny to MeganC; don-o
    Don-o I think wisely and rightly FREQUENTLY POINTS OUT Waco PD's official (and as you, Megan, point out, patently ludicrous) claim that "police officers" were sitting in their vehicles at the time that violence broke out.

    Whether they really were or weren't sitting in their vehicles, the clear truth is that they were AMAZINGLY STUPID AND OBTUSE if out of 177 "criminals" they arrested and HARSHLY PUNISHED without due process, fewer than a third had ever before been accused, let alone convicted, of a crime.

    On one point I disagree with don-o: I don't think they were "flat-footed" at all. I think they accomplished the mission they were there to perform with calculated deliberation.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 11:44:31 AM PDT · 70 of 147
    Finny to PA Engineer; Jim Robinson

    Jim, as per PA Engineer’s request, see my post 56. Thanks.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 11:41:18 AM PDT · 69 of 147
    Finny to PA Engineer
    Thank you fellow American (and fellow swimmer)!!

    :^)

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 10:42:00 AM PDT · 60 of 147
    Finny to TexasGator; All
    “or the right to ride motorcycles where they please wearing what they please “ ..... Too bad that the Bandidos control what you wear and where you ride.

    Too bad that honest-to-goodness lawmen have apparently abandoned their posts.

    It is THEIR job to catch those few who forcefully deprive fellow Americans of their God-given Constitutional right to wear what they please where they please.

    Are lawmen too afraid of that tiny minority of criminal bikers to stop them from abusing fellow Americans? Or are lawmen too stupid to catch them and therefore have to do mass sweeps where they must punish mostly innocent people in order to reach the very few who are guilty?

    Are the lawmen lazy? Stupid? Lops? So wasteful of resources that fewer than one in three of whom they "catch" are guilty of actual crimes?

    Or is it that lawmen, who identify individual criminals by their law-breaking actions, have been removed and replaced by military TROOPS who identify the "enemy" by insignia?

    You advocate for government tyranny and military-minded authority over free citizens.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 10:28:31 AM PDT · 56 of 147
    Finny to All
    Illustration of how a tiny minority -- less than a third total -- puffs itself up to look not so tiny. This dupe Texas Gator, who defends the right of Civil Servants to skip due-process and punish law-abiding citizens before guilt or innocence has been established, just posted THREE TIMES to me alone. Almost ALL of the dupes do this.

    Volume of posts by a minority representing a DUPE mindset to legitimized government tyranny, deliberately intending to make its tiny numbers look inflated.

    It's a new America with new rules where Civil Servants are "more equal" than the mere citizens/civilians they "serve."

  • Bandidos Demand Waco Police Release Video, Autopsy Reports

    07/06/2015 10:20:46 AM PDT · 420 of 420
    Finny to Eva
    I don’t have any sympathy for the Bandidos.

    I'll do you one better. I have outright CONTEMPT for abusive Civil Servants who skip "due process" and use blatantly false premises to destroy the financial, professional, and personal lives of innocent Americans.

    Yes, BLATANT, Eva -- all you have to do is bone up on the facts. TWO THIRDS of the people arrested were so very distant, so very outside the tiny bubble of "Bandido"-type bikers the MSM/police narrative has deliberately misled Americans like you to think the folks at Waco were - TWO THIRDS of those so-called "thugs" had never even been accused of a crime in their lives. Yet they were held on MILLION DOLLAR BAIL and now have very serious "criminal records."

    Wake up, please. THIS is a clear-cut case of Civil Servants enjoying very different rights than the civilians/citizens they ostensibly serve.

    This is a crystal clear-cut example of how vulnerable law-abiding Americans to the whims of tyrannical Civil Servants, and illustrates THE FACT that anymore, the courts FAIL outright to protect citizens/civilians from mass abuse of Civil Servants who administer harsh punishment without due process, and those abusive Civil Servants are GUARANTED to only be held to account for their own CRIME and BETRAYAL of the law, many years later after expensive court proceedings.

    The courts now FAIL to protect Americans from mass, serious abuse of Civil Servants. May 17 proved it.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/06/2015 9:34:52 AM PDT · 48 of 147
    Finny to X-spurt; rikkir; don-o; JJ_Folderol; All
    MISINFORMATION ALERT --

    Spurt X says: I also take issue with anyone who rides dressed up to look like Hell’s Angels, with the obvious purpose to intimidate non-clubbers and law abiding citizens, by inference.

    In other words, X-spurt doesn't think Americans have the right of free association with people he disapproves of, or the right to ride motorcycles where they please wearing what they please (short of impersonating a police officer), while otherwise engaging in perfectly lawful, peaceful activities, such as attending a pre-scheduled, pre-announced, established COCI meeting in a public restaurant.

    It is ridicules [sic] and subversive to try to excuse the participants at Twin Peaks ...

    WRONG. It is subversive and anti-American to try to excuse "law enforcement" destruction of the lives of probably 150 totally innocent Americans -- TWO THIRDS of those arrested and incarcerated for at least two weeks and originally held on million dollar bail, had ZERO prior records of criminality or even arrests. ZIP.

    But they ALL have records now, with very serious charges, they ALL have had to pay many thousands of dollars if not more to reclaim their normal lives -- in short, they ALL were harshly and severely punished without due process. And TWO THIRDS OF THEM had never even been arrested before.

    X-spurt and other trolls here DEFEND that betrayal of our Founding Fathers. They DEFEND that Civil Servants enjoy very different rights than the citizens/civilians they ostensibly serve. X-spurt and trolls think that civil servants deserve the right to punish first and if they were breaking the law, only be held accountable years later; would that we civilians and citizens could punish abusive Civil Servants first and only be held to account years later!

    But be assured -- that is EXACTLY ESSIENTALLY what X-spurt and other trolls here are advocating -- a situation where the courts can no longer protect citizens/civilians from the abuse of Civil Servants.

    Thankfully, such trolls are less than ONE THIRD on these threads, though their volume of posts falsely inflates their representation, like a puff adder snake puffing up to look not so small to threats). In real numbers, smarter/more honest MORE THAN DOUBLE the numbers of the trolls among FReepers who have expressed an opinion on Waco one way or the other. TWO THIRDS of us think the cops' narrative stinks of cover-up and bad intent.

    X-Spurt lies when he claims to be "correcting misinformation." He is defending government tyranny. IF those Waco cops were so well informed and so "prepared for any eventuality," then why in hell didn't they arrest the small handful of actual troublemakers and PERCEIVE THE OBVIOUS REALITY that most of the people they mistook for "thugs" were were average peaceful legal bikers?

    The cops were either the stupidest, most obtuse pinhead heavily-armed freaks on the planet -- or they were the most mal-intentioned with regard to the American Constitution.

    By definition, X-Spurt clearly thinks they were the first, although he won't acknowledge it.

  • Bush, Rubio, And Perry Condemn Trump, While Ted Cruz Salutes Him

    07/05/2015 3:20:22 PM PDT · 45 of 74
    Finny to Norm Lenhart

    Almost ditto ... I only ask myself musingly and occasionally. It’s still baffling.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/05/2015 3:10:06 PM PDT · 26 of 147
    Finny to rikkir
    Thing is I don’t doubt they were fighting. If you want a fight with a guy wearing colors, he’ll give you the best you ever had. I believe the cops either overreacted and responded with weapon fire, when tear gas would have done, or they were ordered to do permanent damage because they were becoming too big, or too powerful.

    That would presuppose that the 18 (at least) cops already present had sophisticated insider knowledge to be in the right place at the right time.

    Those same sophisticated insiders and law enforcement gang professionals, weren't aware that the vast majority of bikers present were average Joes and Janes? Some of them arrested even having zero bikes, let alone club affiliation or criminal history?

    I have as much contempt and regard for law enforcement as anybody. But I don't underestimate LE folks' intelligence, whether its contempt or praise. There was intelligence in this thing, not incompetence, and the only panic I thought I saw was in Swanton's abrupt fade.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/05/2015 2:44:55 PM PDT · 23 of 147
    Finny to rikkir
    What disturbs me the most is the people on this forum that are swallowing this crap hook line and sinker.

    FYI, I keep count, and actually, of people on this forum who've expressed an opinion one way or the other on Waco, at last count, folks who think the cops' story stinks, are more than twice as many as those who buy the police story. It looks different because that minority, less than a third, posts in huge volume so its presence looks larger. But actually, most of the few FReepers who are following it, anyway, are smart enough to see through the crap.

    But I suspect that the reason such a vast number of FReepers haven't paid attention, is because like me, they happily took the hook, line, and sinker with just the headlines and got a chuckle out of it! A 150 of 'em arrested after a shootout leaving nine dead, serves those bastard bikers right! Ha ha!

    It's a pretty comfortable place to leave it. It's where I left it for a couple of weeks until I noticed a few favorite FReepers musing it, then I did a little research. It hit me like a sledgehammer and I reeled for at least three weeks. I feel wrung out like a washrag, now, but see there's nothing more than to press on.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/05/2015 2:21:54 PM PDT · 21 of 147
    Finny to rikkir
    Who did fire the shots? If it was bikers you don’t think they would be hiding the autopsy reports do you? Really? I guess the Feds must be glad to know there are people who will bow down to what ever story they and the media cook up.

    Very sad to say that I know fellow conservatives who in their hearts, believe the narrative. They've internalized it and consider alternatives to be tin-foil. It's a sledgehammer alternative in any case -- a very hard truth to accept about America's new rules. Hard as a rock. Truth is like that, and people avoid it sometimes.

    They see it with the reassuring narrative and know themselves that really bad biker human trafficking extorting kidnapping thieving meth-peddling slime criminals do in reality exist (they do, in tiny numbers comparatively).

    Besides, the idea that the rules of play have become so perverted as to allow more than 150 law-abiding people of no criminal record have lives broken and a felony arrest on record -- that such a crazy thing could happen with America watching -- well, that's just crazy. A lot of conservatives think the narrative isn't crazy, so it must be the other.

    I'm afraid Waco was a pretty good success. At least they didn't provoke the folks arrested into rioting in the "secure facilities." Thank God they kept cool heads.

    So from my POV, it was a new-age 4th of July, yesterday, whether folks realize it or not, the gauntlet's down. Driving across cityscape right at the fireworks hour last night, I saw more blasts of sparkling confetti fireworks than I've seen in many long years. It was almost eery.

  • Abel Reyna Saves Waco from Biker Scum

    07/05/2015 1:57:01 PM PDT · 19 of 147
    Finny to rikkir; JJ_Folderol; All; don-o
    As far as I’m concerned this was practice for the next TEA party rally. They can’t come after us with the IRS again.

    BUMP

    On another level, this was the first demonstration of a "legal" way to forcefully suppress freedom of association among patriots.

    Hard punishment administered first by "civil servants," then due process applied on a case-by-case basis later. Would that citizens and civilians could "legally" punish civil servants first and justify it later!

  • 4th of July flag sightings (vanity)

    07/04/2015 12:50:56 PM PDT · 47 of 70
    Finny to Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America
    Otherwise, I think people are in mourning.

    Yep.

  • George Takei apologizes

    07/04/2015 12:28:23 PM PDT · 101 of 104
    Finny to Vermont Lt; Hugin
    In the name of independence and the 4th of July spirit, SEE my post 100. This is not personal, it's not about you. I know both of you are smart and sincere America-loving patriots.

    THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX if you want to respect truth and preserve American freedoms righteously in the future.

    You were taught to conclude that the Japanese camps were bad, malevolently inspired, wrong, BAD America. It's probably one of many such wrong things you have internalized as infallible.

    It's not personal -- it's REALITY. Please, at least consider and mull my points. What I have written is TRUE.

  • George Takei apologizes

    07/04/2015 12:22:23 PM PDT · 100 of 104
    Finny to Hugin
    I think it’s clear in hindsight that internment was an overreaction.

    It is easy to see why and how, AT THE TIME, it was considered appropriate, and again, I am going by information I have heard verbally first hand from Californians I know, Japanese and non-Japanese, who were contemporaries and personally experienced it, and who also experienced the reality that yes Virginia there WERE Japanese spies among us.

    Your idea that it's clear in hindsight that the camps were an overreaction, is the natural conclusion if your knowledge and information on the event is limited. On the other hand, when you factor in things that schools didn't teach you but which you know were part of the context of the time -- then it's clear in hindsight that the REAL shame of those internment caps was the contemptible robbing thieving way that so many non-Japanese "businessmen" took advantage of the property and businesses that those Americans interned had to leave behind.

    THAT was the shame, that was the evil, that was the wrong done to those Japanese. THAT is what hindsight shows very, very clearly.

  • George Takei apologizes

    07/03/2015 7:32:30 PM PDT · 88 of 104
    Finny to Vermont Lt
    You were educated in public schools in about the 70s or 80s weren't you?

    It's not your fault that you knee-jerk to the Japanese Camps. You were TAUGHT to do so.

    And the worst part is that you're a conservative.

    Please start questioning moral narratives that you've been taught in school and explore other possibilities, because truth hinges on it, and truth sets you free.

    You were taught to think "America -- BAD!!!" and it shows. You refuse to even acknowledge or discuss any alternative moral judgment. You were taught.

  • George Takei apologizes

    07/03/2015 7:26:37 PM PDT · 87 of 104
    Finny to Vermont Lt
    You are being racist, and you are accusing me of being petty.

    HEllo?