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  • Ron Paul, the Real Republican? (Announcing the Great Ron Paul Ping List)

    03/01/2007 4:17:35 PM PST · 577 of 591
    Fun Bob to OrthodoxPresbyterian

    Please add me to your Ron Paul ping list please

  • FAA Says 2nd Amendment is Collective Right?

    12/23/2006 7:28:12 AM PST · 38 of 50
    Fun Bob to mountainlyons; dbwz

    I won't disagree with your assessment of the FAA mountainlyons but the real problem here is that we are being told that this language was approved by the Office of the President of the United States.

    If this is true, the FAA is the least of our problems.

    (sorry, sent private reply by mistake first time around)

  • FAA Says 2nd Amendment is Collective Right?

    12/23/2006 5:08:20 AM PST · 24 of 50
    Fun Bob to dbwz
    Gun blogger Dave Codrea wrote to the FAA for clarificiation on this text. He was told:

    http://waronguns.blogspot.com/2006/12/bush-administration-reverses-ashcroft.html

    Thank you for your comments on the human space flight requirements. This rule, including its security requirements, underwent coordination and review within the executive branch. It was reviewed and approved by the Executive Office of the President.
  • Getting to the Root of Violence

    10/18/2006 3:16:45 PM PDT · 1 of 12
    Fun Bob
  • NJ Police Have No Duty to Protect You

    10/18/2006 1:47:34 PM PDT · 1 of 77
    Fun Bob
    NJ needs shall-issue CCW legislation. Not to mention less arrogant and less paternalistic politicians.
  • Letter to NRA (Vanity) (Are you tired of those mailers, too?)

    09/24/2006 5:26:13 PM PDT · 21 of 27
    Fun Bob to kerryusama04


    When I got my NRA life membership, I got an email from a service rep thanking me. I replied to that email and told him my only request is that I don't get a high volume of mail from the NRA.

    Other than my monthly magazine, I've only received voter information. They've respected my request.

    I get more crap from the SAF and GOA individually than I've ever gotten from the NRA.

    Is the NRA going to stop their fundraiser mailing? No. Never. Why? Because it pays off. I've read that every dollar spent on fundraising results in $10 in donations. They need money and it's a way to get money. As a concerned gun owner and 2nd Amendment activist, I hope they continue their fund raising.

    However, I know too many people who stopped their NRA membership because of the mailings. The NRA needs to make the no fundraising mailer a little more well known to its membership.

  • New Jersey's Most Vulnerable Citizens Are Being Used by the Gun Ban Lobby

    03/22/2006 8:35:09 AM PST · 1 of 8
    Fun Bob
  • AND YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS IS?

    03/08/2006 10:26:27 AM PST · 53 of 56
    Fun Bob to rattrap

    Biondi has stated he will "reconsider and withdraw" NJ a1327 requiring registrations of name and address before posting comments in online forums.

    http://njcsd.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=298&Itemid=9

  • New Jersey State Republican Leader Wants to restrict 1st Amendment Rights on the Internet

    03/08/2006 10:25:41 AM PST · 17 of 19
    Fun Bob to Thanatos

    Biondi has stated he will "reconsider and withdraw" NJ a1327 requiring registrations of name and address before posting comments in online forums.

    http://njcsd.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=298&Itemid=9

  • Is this gun legal in NJ?

    03/07/2006 9:39:08 AM PST · 20 of 24
    Fun Bob to fatboy

    I am sorry to report that Nappen's book is out of print and completely unavailable. When I spoke to his office over 1.5 years ago, I was told that there was no plan for another printing and in that time there hasn't been one. Nappen has reportedly since moved to New Hampshire to join the free state project.

    It took me over a year to get a copy of Nappen II for myself and it was only by moaning to every NJ gunnie I knew that I eventually found someone who owned 2 copies and was willing to sell me one.

    NJ is indeed a different world and one problem is that everyone flees rather than gets involved or even donates a red cent to the cause. Maybe the problem is as you say that NJ residents just don't know what they've lost or are aware of the level oppression under which we live here.

    I'm a PA native and look forward to the day I can return home to my native Pennsyltucky and end enjoy life as a citizen rather than an inmate.

    The thing is, New Jersey is not just an isolated a world away whose problems can be escaped from. You see, a lot of the gun control innovations we see in the US originate in New Jersey. The assault weapons and high-cap magazine bans were first passed in New Jersey. New Jersey has the smart gun law that is being whispered about in other state houses and may soon become reality. NJ is a problem that in the future can have an unfortunate spill over effect on the rest of the country.

    Lately, PA has been a hotbed for state level anti-gun initiatives, which thankfully so far have not yet gained much traction. A lot of the focus on PA is the direct result of NJ gun control nuts that have set their sites on PA as the next domino they want to fall.

    Right now as we speak, they are rabble rousing to limit handgun purchases in PA to 1 a month.

    http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/editorial/13848930.htm

    Rendell himself is intimately connected to gun control extremists. In fact, he was the first US city mayor to suggest that cities sue gun manufacturers. A lot of this attention of the gun control lobby is coming at you directly out of New Jersey.

    One of NJ's main anti-gun activists, Bryan Miller of the CeaseFireNJ, a guy intimately connected with anti-gun democrats in this state such as Torricelli, Loretta Weinberg, and Corzine himself, is also very active across the Delaware in PA. In fact, he is the exec director of CeaseFirePA, an organization so much better funded than we could ever hope to be. Don't believe me? Look at this page. They have a $25,000 donation just from one fellow extremist with deep pockets (George Soros?).

    http://www.ceasefirepa.org/membership.htm

    You may escape New Jersey, but New Jersey isn't satisfied for you to get away and enjoy your liberties elsewhere. A stand must be taken in this state but unfortunately; we have been all but abandoned by the NRA.

    The problem is, when we get down to it, our greatest enemies are NJ gun owners. We constantly find that NJ gun owners are either too apathetic (we have heard many times, things like, "it's not a big deal, if they take my gun I'll find another hobby/take up fishing"). There is also too much antagonism between different groups of gun owners. We find that black rifle shooters don't care that much about handgun or CCW rights. Skeet shooters/fowl hunters don't care about anything but their shotgun. Hunters in general tend to be happy with any gun control so long as they have sportsmen’s exemptions. The NJCSD is a big tent organization that represents all gun owners to protect our human right to self-defense and the right of ownership of the tools of self-defense and we do not compromise on that principle.

    We can use any and all support we can get.

    http://www.njcsd.org

  • Is this gun legal in NJ?

    03/07/2006 6:46:08 AM PST · 18 of 24
    Fun Bob to tcostell
    "When dealing in guns, the citizen acts at his peril" -New Jersey Appellete Court

    As you seem to realize, you have to be very, very careful in New Jersey. The above quote came from the case State v. Pelleteri where a New Jersey resident received a felony conviction for possessing a tubular magazine fed .22 semi-auto rifle, a Marlin 60. The tubular magazine held 17 rounds, 2 more than the state limit of 15 rounds. As the quote implies, he got absolutely no sympathy from the courts.

    I believe the NJ semi-auto ban has 2 standards 1) an enumerated list of weapons banned by name 2) any other weapon with more than 2 features from a list of banned features (much like the dead US "assault weapons" ban).

    You didn't state which features your gun has but if it has any thing more than a pistol grip and a removable magazine, it is a banned weapon and a felony to own in New Jersey. Even having a magazine which holds more than 15 rounds is a felony.

    There has been a bill brought up in the NJ legislature every year to alter the assault weapon definition to include any rifle with more than 1 of the enumerated features. So any AR/AK would banned.

    New Jersey has a very active, no compromise, no nonsense, never surrender self defense civil rights organization, the NJCSD. If you value your rights and the Second Amendment, come check us out. You can get knowledgable answers to all of your gun questions in our forums as well.

    http://www.njcsd.org
  • Nephew shoots gun on New Years Eve, hits water pipe

    01/03/2006 3:57:39 PM PST · 88 of 89
    Fun Bob to Supernatural

    "What can I say?"

    Tell them to use firecrackers next year.

  • Democratic Underground? Daily Kos? Not even close . . .

    12/21/2005 10:57:39 AM PST · 36 of 81
    Fun Bob to Fun Bob

    Oh, everyone's Kopechne comments are getting pulled?

    Ted Kennedy hates the First Amendment and free speech. We already knew he hated religion, er, at least, Christianity.

  • Democratic Underground? Daily Kos? Not even close . . .

    12/21/2005 10:53:53 AM PST · 33 of 81
    Fun Bob to Red Badger

    Best comment in the thread at tedkennedy.com:

    #88 Teddy lied while I died.
    — Mary Jo Kopechne Dec 21, 02:52 PM #

  • Killed By Our Mania Over Guns

    12/01/2005 5:52:18 AM PST · 36 of 53
    Fun Bob to kiriath_jearim

    "The restrictions made five or six years ago have been stripped away. "

    What the heck is he talking about?

    AWB was 11 years ago now and it's pre-programmed death has not resulted in any increase in crime or violence according to DOJ statistics. The Doc is just a demagogoue.

  • Female Cop Murdered; British Police Want Guns

    11/23/2005 12:38:38 PM PST · 29 of 63
    Fun Bob to ozzymandus

    Sent unarmed female officers to respond to armed robbers?

    Please.

    This sounds like the plotline to Robocop. Intentionally sending an officer into a bad situation without backup to get him killed so you can take advantage of the situation. In robocop, they wanted his Peter Wellers brain to reprogram as a robotic cop. In the UK, the gun grabbers want more fuel to the fire for total confiscation and banning AND for a UN accord to ban the sale and manufacture of smallarms.

  • The Ugliest Revolver Ever Made?

    11/23/2005 12:35:16 PM PST · 14 of 26
    Fun Bob to kiriath_jearim

    Sent unarmed female officers to respond to armed robbers?

    Please.

    This sounds like the plotline to Robocop. Intentionally sending an officer into a bad situation without backup to get him killed so you can take advantage of the situation. In robocop, they wanted his Peter Wellers brain to reprogram as a robotic cop. In Canada, the gun grabbers want more fuel to the fire for total confiscation and banning. Their $2 billion registry has not done one whit of good for them.

  • Lonegan: NJGOP Needs To Rebuild With New, Conservative Leadership.

    11/09/2005 9:38:24 AM PST · 1 of 34
    Fun Bob
  • [SH Bay Area] Body-in-trunk suspect got lots of counseling

    10/26/2005 7:47:16 AM PDT · 3 of 25
    Fun Bob to SmithL

    What a tragedy. That woman should have been armed. The police aren't there to save your life. They are there to collect evidence from your corpse or from your wife/daughters violated body to piece a history together and try to find determine who did it. They are historians, not crime preventers.

  • Brazilian Voters Strongly Reject Gun Ban

    10/23/2005 8:19:16 PM PDT · 6 of 52
    Fun Bob to Colonel_Flagg

    It is from al-Reuters. What do you expect? Sorry about the sourcing. It was the first full story I've seen on rejected ban referendum.

  • Brazilian Voters Strongly Reject Gun Ban

    10/23/2005 8:11:55 PM PDT · 1 of 52
    Fun Bob
  • Don't like cops, till they need 'em

    10/13/2005 3:18:08 PM PDT · 10 of 23
    Fun Bob to sgtbono2002

    "If he had flashed a bulge in his pants would she have had sex with him?"

    Hell, if he flashed the bulge in his pants and stunk of weed and patchouli, she'd probably volunteer to have his abortion.

  • Don't like cops, till they need 'em

    10/13/2005 3:05:24 PM PDT · 1 of 23
    Fun Bob
  • San Francisco Police Officers Assocation Come Out Against Proposition H (Gun Ban)

    10/12/2005 3:24:05 PM PDT · 6 of 20
    Fun Bob to buwaya

    So is campaign finance reform.

    It only matters if the courts find it unconstitutional, even if it is clearly in violation on common sense grounds. How much you want to bet the 9th circuit court will find it constitutional? I wouldn't bet against it.

  • San Francisco Police Officers Assocation Come Out Against Proposition H (Gun Ban)

    10/12/2005 3:13:29 PM PDT · 2 of 20
    Fun Bob to BigTom85; Bommer; libertarianPA; dfwgator; cynicom; Shqipo; dsc; Americanwolfsbrother; N3WBI3; ...
  • San Francisco Police Officers Assocation Come Out Against Proposition H (Gun Ban)

    10/12/2005 3:06:56 PM PDT · 1 of 20
    Fun Bob
    It is a long document but please go read the whole thing. It is also an excellent and concise argument against such an overreaching gun ban as is being proposed in San Francisco. They are quite thorough in shattering many of the common arguments for gun control demonstrating that there is little support why there is no logical support for a gun ban between the facts and the people the ban will impact. Best of all, this document comes from a police union.
  • Senator's Charge Thrown Out-(Handgun in Briefcase Airport Security Checkpoint)

    10/12/2005 10:38:50 AM PDT · 34 of 38
    Fun Bob to Black Tooth
  • Mac Mouths Off - Conceal carry laws should not include privacy provisions

    10/06/2005 11:44:45 PM PDT · 88 of 98
    Fun Bob to jdege

    My god, how does this girl bring herself to sit on the toilet knowing she could fall off and spill her brains on the tile floor of her bathroom.


    ***BOO***

    There goes your shadow little girl.

  • SanFran Mayor Considers WiFi Internet a Basic Human Right.

    10/06/2005 1:14:54 PM PDT · 54 of 56
    Fun Bob to rlmorel

    Ha ha! Good point but seriously...this guy is already buying sex in Amsterdam. Can't get much more eeeeewwww than that.

  • SanFran Mayor Considers WiFi Internet a Basic Human Right.

    10/06/2005 8:07:47 AM PDT · 51 of 56
    Fun Bob to BigTom85; Bommer; libertarianPA; dfwgator; cynicom; Shqipo; dsc; Americanwolfsbrother; N3WBI3; ...

    The next "fundamental human right" of the left?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4309012.stm

    Dane fights for state-funded sex


    A disabled Danish man is fighting for the state to pay for him to have a prostitute visit him at home.

    Torben Hansen, who has cerebral palsy, which severely affects his speech and mobility, believes his local authority should pay the extra charge he incurs when he hires a sex worker - because his disability means he cannot go to see them. His case is currently being considered.

    In Denmark, local authorities compensate disabled people for extra costs incurred because of their disability.

    "I want them to cover the extra expenses for the prostitutes to get here, because it's a lot more expensive getting them to come to my home rather than me going to a brothel," Mr Hansen told BBC World Service's Outlook programme.

    "It's a necessity for me. I can't move very well, and it's impossible for me to go there."

  • SanFran Mayor Considers WiFi Internet a Basic Human Right.

    10/04/2005 8:27:22 AM PDT · 1 of 56
    Fun Bob
  • Did Guns Pose a Hazard to Public Safety in Post-Katrina NOLA?

    09/30/2005 3:52:39 PM PDT · 22 of 25
    Fun Bob to yarddog; FearlessFreep; Travis McGee; GrandEagle; planekT; Fred911; joesnuffy; ...
    http://www.keepandbeararms.com/ has a poll on this issue: 

    "Should former New Orleans Police Chief Eddie Compass, who resigned after being ordered by the Court to return firearms confiscated from law-abiding citizens, be prosecuted for violating the civil rights of gun owners?"

    Scroll down, you'll find it on your left.
  • GUNDERSON, ZIEN INTRODUCE PERSONAL PROTECTION ACT

    09/30/2005 3:41:08 PM PDT · 10 of 12
    Fun Bob to Ladysmith; AdamSelene235; John Jorsett

    "give Wisconsin citizens the same rights as citizens in 46 other states by allowing law-abiding citizens the ability to protect themselves and their families by becoming licensed to carry a concealed weapon after undergoing a criminal background check and safety training. "

    NJ Citizens in fact do not have that right. We have a "may issue" law which really translates to "will issue to mobsters and democratic contributors".

    Of course the golden standard is Alaska/Vermont style unrestricted carry, we at least need "shall issue" laws in every state.

    http://www.njcsd.org

  • Did Guns Pose a Hazard to Public Safety in Post-Katrina NOLA?

    09/30/2005 9:55:44 AM PDT · 17 of 25
    Fun Bob to Meldrim

    Actually, I heard that. It was on Tony Snow. But I don't want to repeat baseless accusations. Once there is some stronger sourcing on that rumor, I'll revise the article at the original link above. Thanks though.

  • Teen With Camcorder Captures His Own Killing On Tape

    09/30/2005 9:21:30 AM PDT · 76 of 113
    Fun Bob to Acts 2:38

    I hope he gets every one of those 85 years.

    He abandoned that boy to die. Unforgivable.

    It is almost as the Chante Mallard case. In her case, she had a homeless man embedded in the windshield of her car, begging for help. She left him there shut up in the dark for 2-3 days to die. What did she decide the best course of action was when she got home? She had sex with her boyfriend of course. She got 50 years IIRC.

  • Did Guns Pose a Hazard to Public Safety in Post-Katrina NOLA?

    09/30/2005 8:27:48 AM PDT · 7 of 25
    Fun Bob to planekT
    Yep, they sure did. Just read the restraining order (same link as above):


    Defendants, C. Ray Nagin, Mayor of New Orleans and P. Edwin Compass, III, Superintendent of Police for the City of New Orleans, deny the allegations in the Complaint For Declaratory Judgment and Injunctive Relief and specifically deny that it was or is the policy of the City of New Orleans nor the New Orleans Police Department to illegally seize lawfully possessed firearms from citizens;

    Defendants C. Ray Nagin, Mayor of the City of New Orleans, and P. Edwin Compass, III, Superintendent of the Department of Police for the City of New Orleans, specifically deny each and every allegation in the Complaint for Declaratory Judgment and Injunctive Relief and specifically reserving all rights herein and waiving none, assert the following:

    1. C. Ray Nagin has not issued, nor has he any intention of issuing, any order, declaration, promulgation, and/or directive pursuant to the authority granted unto him by LSA-R.S. 29:721, et seq., ordering the seizure of any lawfully-possessed firearm from law abiding citizens, nor has C. Ray Nagin delegated any authority granted unto him pursuant to LSA-RS 29:721, et seq. to any other city official, department head, officer, employee, and/or agent of the City of New Orleans including, but not limited to, P. Edwin Compass, III, Superintendent of the Department of Police for the City of New Orleans and/or Warren Riley, Deputy Superintendent of the Department of Police of the City of New Orleans;

    2. P. Edwin Compass, III acknowledges that no authority has been delegated to him by C. Ray Nagin, Mayor of the City of New Orleans, pursuant to the powers granted unto the said Mayor by the provisions of LSA-RS 29:721, et seq. to order the seizure of lawfully-possessed firearms from law abiding citizens and that any and all statements which are allegedly attributed to him in such regard do not represent any policy, statement, ordinance, regulation, decision, custom or practice of either C. Ray Nagin or the City of New Orleans, its agencies and/or departments;

    3. C. Ray Nagin and P. Edwin Compass, III affirmatively deny that seizures of lawfully possessed firearms from law abiding citizens has occurred as a result of the actions of officers, city officials, employees and/or agents of the City of New Orleans or any of its departments and further affirmatively deny that any such weapons are presently in the possession of the City of New Orleans, its agents and/or departments;

    4. C. Ray Nagin and P. Edwin Compass, III further affirmatively deny that it is the custom, practice and/or policy of the City of New Orleans, either officially or unofficially, to seize and/or confiscate lawfully-possessed firearms from law abiding citizens.


    So there you have it. Straight from the liars' mouths.
  • Did Guns Pose a Hazard to Public Safety in Post-Katrina NOLA?

    09/30/2005 7:52:57 AM PDT · 1 of 25
    Fun Bob
  • NJ Police Incensed at Being Pulled Over on Way To Katrina Relief Effort

    09/29/2005 11:27:54 AM PDT · 43 of 100
    Fun Bob to Sub-Driver

    "Speziale called the deputy a disgrace and said -- quoting here -- "I hope to get the opportunity to show you the same courtesy up here in New Jersey.''"


    Well, if that deputy is black, he is almost guaranteed the honor if he ever takes a drive on the NJ Turnpike.

  • Democrats Illegally Smear Black Republican--Pious Chuck Schumer and NY Times Remain Silent

    09/28/2005 8:19:24 AM PDT · 6 of 26
    Fun Bob to joyspring777

    Call Sen. Chuck Schumer for your FREE Credit Report at (202) 224-6542.


    Seriously. Call him and ask for your free credit report since he is compiling them on Republicans.

  • Kashmiri Women Take Up Arms For Self-Protection

    09/28/2005 6:22:16 AM PDT · 9 of 15
    Fun Bob to marktwain; coconutt2000; Minnesocold; doberville; Savage Beast; ncountylee; Coleus; Gritty; dbwz
    If these minutewomen were here in New Jersey, they'd likely be met with the same advice that acting governer Richard "DICK!" Codey gave to the Second Amendment Sisters:


    Time machine? I'd like to buy Dick a one way ticket to Kashmir so he can find some sense to put into his head. Let him have a rational discussion with these Kashimiri women about how they can improve their safety in a civilized manner. What kind of idealist little civilized world he is living in? New Jersey? Is it civilized? The anti-gunners like to delude themselves into thinking so since they've effectively reduced the rate of gun ownership to only 13% here--the lowest in the country.

    NJCSD--Defending your right, to defend yourself.
  • Kashmiri Women Take Up Arms For Self-Protection

    09/28/2005 5:05:18 AM PDT · 1 of 15
    Fun Bob
  • Schumer is no match for Roberts

    09/27/2005 11:41:12 PM PDT · 1 of 47
    Fun Bob
  • Governor says national Dems are too liberal ["I don't care about Howard Dean,".....]

    09/26/2005 10:42:47 AM PDT · 25 of 40
    Fun Bob to All

    Even some dems are realizing how fragmented and rudderless they are. Luckily, the party at large isn't about to take his advice.

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1491479/posts

  • 2005: The Splintering of the Democratic Party

    09/26/2005 10:36:32 AM PDT · 161 of 233
    Fun Bob to Fun Bob

    Ping to self.


    Great Article Publius, thanks for the heads-up.

  • Democrats' special interest problem

    09/26/2005 8:25:51 AM PDT · 1 of 29
    Fun Bob
    Good article, worth a read.
  • Governor says national Dems are too liberal ["I don't care about Howard Dean,".....]

    09/26/2005 7:40:40 AM PDT · 6 of 40
    Fun Bob to FlipWilson

    "There is a large war brewing in the democratic party. It really isn't a party anymore. It has become two parties."

    It isn't even 2 parties. It's a loosely tied federation of special interests. The only common thread really binding them is their hatred of the right and of Bush.

    Look at the pictures of the war rally this past weekend. I'd say less than half of the people there were to oppose the war. The rest were just trying to promote their own special interests by piggy backing it on to the war rally.

  • Second Amendment Hypocrites: Senators Schumer and Feinstein Pack Heat

    09/24/2005 3:24:05 AM PDT · 1 of 12
    Fun Bob
  • Lawsuit could trouble Garrett

    09/23/2005 12:59:32 PM PDT · 8 of 8
    Fun Bob to lepton; All

    I received a letter today from the Club for Growth regarding this lawsuit:


    Late yesterday afternoon the Federal Election Commission filed suit against the Club for Growth in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. News accounts report that Federal Election Commission officials view the filing as a "test case". We view it as a preposterous assault on your rights and those of every American.

    After the FEC made its filing in Court, I released the following statement to the media:

    "The Federal Election Commission's suit against the Club for Growth continues this agency's war on the First Amendment and its defense of incumbents from criticism of their policies. The FEC's claims and legal theories are a bizarre interpretation of the Club's mission, the Constitution, the laws adopted by Congress and their own regulations governing nonprofit organizations.

    "The Club's principle purpose is to advocate for and defend pro-growth policies. One of the ways we do that is through the Club for Growth PAC, which allows Club members to donate to pro-growth candidates and independent expenditure campaigns. We have consulted with counsel every step of the way and have followed the law and regulations that govern our work.

    "This action by the commission was triggered by a Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee complaint about ads we ran criticizing former Sen. Tom Daschle's refusal to back pro-growth tax cuts. The complaint had no supporting detail and the Commission allowed it to lie inactive for nearly a year and one half and then resurrected it as a platform to seek to take away our members' rights and exact a huge civil penalty from the Club.

    "The FEC, under pressure from liberal organizations that want to regulate free speech, is attempting to regulate organizations through the Courts when the Congress and the agency itself have rejected additional regulations on 527 groups such as the Club.

    "The Club will vigorously defend the rights of our members, and all Americans, to organize and speak out about our government's policies. The FEC's outrageous lawsuit will further boost our members' determination to work harder than ever before for free speech and free markets."


    No doubt you have questions about what this means to the Club. Here are some questions we've been hearing already and some answers that might be helpful.

    Q: What is this lawsuit about, specifically? What exactly are they saying the Club did wrong?

    A:

    There are two main points in the FEC's very complex legal theory. The first is that they allege that some Club for Growth TV ads which ran in 2000 and 2002 crossed the gray line into what is known as "express advocacy" for or against a candidate. Second, the FEC then jumped to the ridiculous conclusion that this turns the Club into a Political Action Committee instead of a membership organization. PACs are not allowed to have members and contributions to such groups are limited. In essence they want to strip you and every other Club member of your right to be a member of the Club.

    The ads in question were all reviewed by outside counsel before they aired on TV, and the advice we received was that the ads were not express advocacy. The ads simply referred to a candidate and critiqued the candidate's views on economic issues. None of the ads in question in this case told anyone how to vote.

    Q: Why was the Club targeted instead of George Soros and his liberal allies?

    A:

    We have always known that the Club is a tempting target for federal regulators for several reasons. First, they don't like what we stand for. Reducing the size and power of the federal government and expanding freedom is our core mission. Needless to say, the FEC's real mission is to expand the reach of the federal government and reduce the freedom of the American people. Engaging in frivolous lawsuits is their chief weapon. Second, unlike the establishment political parties and even most issue advocacy organizations, the Club engages in an activity that is considered out-of-bounds in Washington - we strongly criticize incumbent politicians of both parties when they support policies that would damage our economy, and the Club's PAC sometimes even supports challengers to incumbents in primaries. That's a big no-no in Washington, but it's essential if we are to stop the bipartisan move toward ever-bigger government. Third, the regulators target us because we're successful. No organization in America raised and spent more money than the Club and Club PAC did last year advocating the philosophy of limited government. Our very existence poses a mortal threat to those who want unlimited government.

    Q: What does this mean for me as a member of the Club for Growth?

    A:

    Essentially nothing. Individual Club members have no liability whatsoever, regardless of what happens in court. If anything, this overreaching and unfounded action by the federal bureaucracy is even stronger proof that the Club's mission is more important than ever. The big government establishment in Washington wants to silence your participation in the political process - now is the time to step forward and redouble all of our efforts both to promote our advocacy of pro-growth economic policies and to defend our First Amendment rights.

    Q: What does this mean for the Club's operations?

    A:

    We will continue our advocacy of economic growth policies and our PAC's support for the best pro-growth candidates. With your help, thus far in 2005, the Club, the Club's PAC and the Club's lobbying affiliate have already broken our previous fundraising records. The Club has been the national leader in advocating key pro-growth policies such as permanent repeal of the death tax and Social Security personal accounts. All of that will continue at a record setting pace. We will continue to obtain the best possible legal advice as to our rights and obligations.

    The only thing that will change is that we will have to bear the additional burden and expense of a legal battle with the FEC. That's a process that will take several years, and could go all the way to the Supreme Court. Rest assured that we have a plan in place to finance this legal battle, without detracting one bit from our pro-growth advocacy mission.

    Q: How can I help?

    A:

    While we are very confident in our legal position, we take this matter very seriously, and we will have the best possible legal representation. In the coming weeks we will provide you with information about how best to assist in our legal battle with the federal bureaucrats and their liberal allies.

    We welcome additional questions you might have on this outrageous action by the FEC and will post more questions and answers on our blog.

    Finally, I must say that our efforts to work this out with the FEC were a real eye-opener for me. The arrogance and unfair treatment was incredible. At one point when the Club asked the FEC how we could operate consistent with their view of the law, they refused to tell us.

    We will have more information on this in the days and weeks to come. Clearly this is an agency that is out of control and refuses to uphold and defend the Constitution.

    Thank you for your support.


    Best Regards,

    Pat

  • Lawsuit could trouble Garrett

    09/22/2005 2:39:01 PM PDT · 7 of 8
    Fun Bob to lepton; All

    Redstate.org has a good summary of the Club for Growth suit by the FEC.
    http://www.redstate.org/story/2005/9/20/155032/676

    If the FEC enforced ethics, then they wouldn't allow unions to donate money of dues paying members to politicians they wouldn't ever support themselves.

  • Lawsuit could trouble Garrett

    09/22/2005 2:19:55 PM PDT · 3 of 8
    Fun Bob to montag813

    Or trying to create a connection between the crimes of MoveOn.org to the candidates they supported for that matter.