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  • Jeb Bush: The man who killed Trump's casino dreams

    09/02/2015 2:53:16 AM PDT · 9 of 20
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to nathanbedford
    To believe that Donald Trump will put aside corrupt practices when he is playing for power instead of for money is naïve in the extreme.

    Meanwhile, virtually every other candidate but Trump has played word games to cover up the fact that they support massive legalization by defining "amnesty" exclusively as a "pathway to citizenship." But you are here trying to wonder if Trump is corrupt or not because he made money donations to candidates?

    You need to get your perspective checked.

  • Quantum computer that 'computes without running' sets efficiency record

    09/01/2015 11:03:00 PM PDT · 7 of 24
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to LibWhacker

    When they have a cardboard box with a unattached screen that can turn on by itself and play SplinterCell Double Agent, THEN I’ll be impressed.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    09/01/2015 8:54:57 PM PDT · 112 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    Which I will easily prove tomorrow night.

    In other words, you will repeat what you wrote before in a crazed cult-fueled posting, stick up your nose, and then do it again for a 3rd day running.

    Sorry! Not engaging your posts anymore unless you say something truly new in them.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    09/01/2015 8:51:55 PM PDT · 111 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    And then you give me a long list that only proves what I’ve been saying all along: that the Father is in Christ,....and that is the only literal place you find the Almighty (the fullness of the Godhead bodily).

    Well, how do those verses actually prove your nonsense, and why does Christ as Messiah being in the Father prove He may be called God, take the titles of God, create the world, be called Almighty, receive worship, etc etc., but we may not do these things when we also have the Father in us and are in the Father?

    "My glory will I not give to another," [Isaiah 42:8]

    Just repeating yourself and making assertions over and over again do not replace an argument.

    Your trinity concept divides God (from henceforth, try eliminating the use of ‘separate’, in defining God).

    No, the scripture does not divide the essence of God, which is always One, but it does divide the person of God over and over again:

    Isa_48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord GOD, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

    Gen_1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

    2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

    John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.

  • PPP Poll: Trump now easily beating Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and Scott Walker head to head nationally

    09/01/2015 8:17:40 PM PDT · 25 of 61
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to entropy12

    Problem with Carson is that he apparently does not favor deportation and sides with amnesty, among other problems.

    Carson’s support is shallow because people don’t know what he stands for yet.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    09/01/2015 8:09:49 PM PDT · 106 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    Do you ever quote Acts 2:38 to anyone that asks, “What shall we do?”?

    Well, I've already gone over this, so there's no reason to repeat myself or keep addressing your statements. But if you can produce something like:

    "And Peter took a man to water and said, "be thou baptized in the name of Jesus," and dunked him in," your argument would have merit. Otherwise, what I wrote stands unchallenged.

    In the Scriptures, do you EVER find the phrase “God the Son”.

    That exact phrase, no, but that exact meaning, quite a lot actually:

    Here Paul does it by applying prophecies or statements in reference to God directly to Jesus Christ.

    Original verse:

    "Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear." (Isa 45:22-23)


    "But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God." (Rom 14:10-11)

    Original verse:

    "Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem." (Isa 8:13-14)

    "Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed." (Rom 9:32-33)

    Original verse:

    "The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. Thou hast ascended on high, thou hast led captivity captive: thou hast received gifts for men; yea, for the rebellious also, that the LORD God might dwell among them." (Psa 68:17-18)


    "But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)" (Eph 4:7-10)

    John the Apostle does the same, besides the instances already mentioned in other posts:

    Original verse:

    "And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory. And the posts of the door moved at the voice of him that cried, and the house was filled with smoke. Then said I, Woe is me! for I am undone; because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for mine eyes have seen the King, the LORD of hosts." (Isa 6:3-5)

    Whose glory did Isaiah see? John says: Christ's!

    "He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him." (Joh 12:40-41)

    The evidence is so powerful that only a cultist or a complete idiot would try to argue that Christ is not called God everywhere in the scripture.

    Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

    Mat_1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Isa_9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    09/01/2015 7:32:51 PM PDT · 104 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    “In other words?”....Is it so hard to admit that the name of Jesus is the only name they used in baptism? And that the Son inherited it?

    Well, this statement doesn't refute what I said: that if 1) the name of Jesus stands in for the name of the Father and Holy Spirit, 2) then the names have equal meaning. Therefore Jesus Christ is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. I'll also add that consecration cannot be in the name of a created being, but to God only.

    But your claim that they "only baptized in the name of Jesus" is unproven. Peter stating "repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ," it does not follow that Peter took a disciple to water and didn't baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as commanded in Matthew. It only proves that Peter used the name of Jesus to either sum up the baptism-- that it is in the religion of Christ, or either to highlight the name of Christ which the Jews rejected. Anything else you say is merely reaching without any logical grounding for it.

    So, in other words, none of what you claim is in fact proven. On the contrary, the fact that they are commanded to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, and that we have historical evidence that this is true from the earliest ages, proves you wrong.

    doesn’t use the word ‘name’ in the plural

    It doesn't have to. The name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three different names, not one.

    Everything else you wrote in this post struck me as rambling, so I moved on to the second one:

    You downplay the expressions, that the Lord uses, to show how completely the Father empowers him, and then admit the Lord’s declaration to be true with your questions:

    This is rambling. Remember that your argument-- which is mostly left unsaid by the way, you've not even explained it properly-- is that Christ may call Himself Almighty because the Father is in Him and He is in the Father. It is clear that this is true for us as well. Therefore, you are proven false.

    Are you and your word two separate and distinct persons?

    This is just a non-sequitur and repetition of what you said before. Obviously you are not God, you are not a God to be compared with Him, and the scripture does not clearly say of you "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God" (John 1:1). As long as this verse exists in the scripture, that the Word is both with and is God, you can talk all you want, twist individual verses all you want, but you cannot remove Christ's divinity from the scripture. Same thing with your ignorant dismissal of Christ calling Himself "I Am".

    The rest of your post sounded like mad raving and ignorance, and since you barely responded to my post, I won't respond to any more of yours. Not worth my time!

  • PPP Poll: Fewer Republicans Like Megyn Kelly After Trump Battle

    09/01/2015 6:21:11 PM PDT · 5 of 39
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Helicondelta

    Still wrapping my head around her ratings beating O’Reilly though. Either their ratings are lower overall or Megyn has picked up liberal viewership who don’t care.

    By the way, I haven’t turned on Fox for weeks now. Just can’t watch. Sitting there, and five seconds in, some schmuck opens his mouth to bash Trump. I’m perfectly serious. Can’t stand it.

  • Trump Has Succeeded in Convincing Conservatives to Discard their Principles Overnight

    09/01/2015 6:01:42 PM PDT · 104 of 179
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Steelfish

    LOL, National Review lecturing us on values.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    09/01/2015 4:49:21 PM PDT · 99 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to sasportas
    You just confirmed you do indeed have a lot of things in common with Saul (not Paul yet). His thoughts were along the same lines as yours, as he was getting ready for his trip to Damascus...then he saw the light.

    Luckily the light he saw wasn't that of works-righteousness and Oneness Pentecostal spittle.

  • Trump Now Out-polling Jeb 8-1 in Iowa (New Gravis Poll Trump-31.7% Carson-15.8% Bush-4.1%)

    09/01/2015 4:12:51 PM PDT · 141 of 144
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to RoosterRedux

    Well that’s a big difference. Tied to suddenly leading by 15 percent. Who’d they poll? A gaggle of Church Ladies?

  • Crucial Questions: 22 Free eBooks from R.C. Sproul

    09/01/2015 4:06:41 PM PDT · 12 of 13
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to SoFloFreeper

    Different RC Sproul. There is an older and a younger. This is the Older.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    09/01/2015 3:54:28 PM PDT · 96 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to sasportas
    The “cult” he was so cock sure about, that surely was so “damnable,” that held Jesus as their one Lord, that baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sins, became his one Lord. He, going on to become the great apostle Paul.

    Paul preached the doctrine of the Trinity, and of Grace, and of faith, and of order and decency. Yours barks like dogs shrieking in your filthy churches as you tell people they are damned if they don't belong to your church and do not follow your obscure rules, kind of like the Pharisees.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 10:21:12 PM PDT · 88 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel; NoCmpromiz
    Do you feel that this thread focus on named individuals, and how much of a sinner they are in your opinion? Someone chose to express their opinion about ‘oneness’ Pentecostals in a, shall we say, unfavorable light. I pointed out the dark direction some of my kinfolk have chosen. You are welcome to express your opinion of your own kinfolk.

    Oneness Pentecostals are definitely damned and are not Christians. They not only deny the Trinity, which by itself is damnable, but they are overwhelmingly Pelagians. They are a cult that require strict adherence to their "standards", that is, no dancing, dressing in a certain way, no alchohol etc etc, as a matter of salvation; and one must also speak in tongues, and many other things, and if you cannot do it, you must purify yourself in order to receive it. IOW, Oneness Pentecostals make Grace the wage of Merit, and deny the sufficiency of faith in salvation.

    This is why they are a cult. The amount of obscene and ridiculous control they take on their hapless followers is profound and incredibly damaging.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 10:09:41 PM PDT · 87 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    Thank you for your personal opinion. That’s all it is. Because, you see, in just a few verses you’ve already forgotten how Jesus Christ defines the relationship with the Father... And then you go and quote Rev. 1:8, STILL forgetting that God the Father is IN Christ, just like he said.

    Let's think about this for a second. John 14 teaches that Christ is in the Father, and that the Father is in Him. But Christ also says here that we are in the Father as well.

    Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

    1) So Jesus is in the Father.

    2) The Father is in the Son.

    3) We are in the Son.

    4) And the Son is in us.

    5) And we are, consequently, in the Father also.

    6) And the Father is in us.

    Does this mean that I can declare myself to be Almighty? May I receive worship, as Christ constantly does (Mat_14:33, Mat_28:9, Mar_5:6 etc etc)? (Though Christ forbids worship to anyone but God alone in Matt 4:10.) May I forgive sins as only God does? May I be credited with creating the universe, as Christ is?

    These questions make it pretty clear the folly of your shallow reading of those verses.

    Well, with your co-equal, co-powerful, separate and distinct ‘first’ and ‘second’ persons of God.........What pray tell did the Father make?

    This question is brought on as a result of confusion over the roles and distinct nature of the three persons. The Son is equal with the Father, but has the nature of being etnerally begotten and carrying out the perfect will of the Father. The Father decrees, and it is the Son who then goes forth and makes, "upholding all things by the word of His power" (Heb 1:4). The Holy Spirit, in turn, has the nature of eternally proceeding from both the Father and the Son (John 15:26, Romans 8:9, Galatians 4:6), and is called both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of the Son. He also had a role in creation, in creating life, and adorning the heavens (Job 26:13, Psalm 33:6).

    So the answer to the question is, "what did the Father make?" The Father, Son and Holy Spirit all created the world. They just had different roles in that creation. I'll also add that having different roles-- for example, that the Son goes forth and fulfills the will of the Father-- does not make Him any less divine. The scripture is clear that Christ is uncreated.

    My words are not a separate and distinct person from me. They don’t come from my body. They come from my mind. God gave me a body to express the words that come to my mind.

    So we rightly cannot say that the Word of Zuriel is both with Zuriel and is Zuriel. But the scripture clearly teaches this of God, and trying to force God into a box by comparing him to your own limitations is absurd.

    That said, I have often thought that a human being is a kind of trinity. We are Mind, body and soul. The mind decrees, the body is our image and the part of us that puts into action the will of the mind, and the soul grants us life and ability. Though this is not a correct metaphor, because the Holy Spirit does not grant life to the Father and Son.

    So did the Father just put the Son’s words in a hard drive somewhere, until the Son needed them?

    You're taking the word "Word" literally, as if Christ is literally some kind of sound vibration coming out of the Father's mouth. According to the Cambridge Commentary of the Bible, the word Logos "has its origin in the Targums, or paraphrases of the Hebrew Scriptures," and is the equivalent of God's Wisdom. In Greek, Logos would refer to the faculty of reason. Even here, however, I would hesitate to take it so literally, as neither wisdom nor the faculty of reason is itself a "Person," but Christ clearly is. Logos is simply yet another name of the Son.

    See, he’s speaking the Words that were given from the Father (that dwells in him).

    A completely ridiculous statement, with literally no logical reason to say it, almost like you are just making things up as you go along, vomiting up random words without care if they have any meaning. The phrase "I Am" is the name of God in the Old Testament, and expresses an eternal existence. That was why the Jews took up stones to kill Him as soon as He applied that name to Himself.

    No. The omnipresent Father now has image to dwell in, to actually, physically, sit on a throne.

    In other words, Christ must be a created being, or a created shell. But I've already demonstrated that Christ is eternal and uncreated.

  • Ben Carson Might Be the Only Man Who Can Stop Donald Trump

    08/31/2015 6:44:09 PM PDT · 10 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to sushiman


  • Ben Carson Might Be the Only Man Who Can Stop Donald Trump

    08/31/2015 6:41:44 PM PDT · 4 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Helicondelta

    Carson is not a bad guy, but they’re clearly pushing him to bring down Trump.

    Not going to work though.

  • After Hours: Stocks down in futures trading.

    08/31/2015 6:40:44 PM PDT · 6 of 41
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to BipolarBob

    I have a box of instant noodles. They’re fantastic! Really fill you up. I had some with some shrimp I boiled on the side too.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 6:38:09 PM PDT · 83 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to onedoug
    Though IMHO, you’ve taken too much of the negativity in man from the Talmud and ascribed relative little to the word of God in Torah, and it’s “prophecies”, which can be attributed just as credibly in several different ways.

    You're free to make these "credible" interpretations, and see if they hold up. They will not though.

    For example, not to imply that the Christian interpretations are necessarily wrong, yet the Hebrew expectations of “moshiach” are decidedly different in Jewish thought,

    Depends on the Jew, they didn't all have the same opinion.

  • A Ben Carson Surge May Test Trump

    08/31/2015 4:12:06 PM PDT · 103 of 108
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Stentor

    Fraud? No. Just wrong. Even being wrong, he is, at least, sincere and well intentioned.

    Will I vote for him over Trump? No.

  • A Ben Carson Surge May Test Trump

    08/31/2015 2:46:51 PM PDT · 53 of 108
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to rickyrikardo

    Carson is a good guy and I think he would make a great President, but I think Trump is better suited and has better issues. That said, I suspect that Carson’s jump in polls is temporary and probably doesn’t reflect all of the new voters Trump is bringing in. I’ve not even heard any buzz about him anywhere except for a vague positive impression of him. That makes me think that his polling is based on that positive impression. Trump’s is far stronger.

  • Bob Beckel Returns to Cable News on CNN After Fox Exit

    08/31/2015 2:14:55 PM PDT · 7 of 77
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to buckalfa

    Yes, Bekel is much better than Whore-Aldo and that other guy. He is indeed the crazy uncle.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 2:01:45 PM PDT · 78 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to sasportas
    Oneness Pentecostals cite Eph. 4:6, Gal. 4:4, and 1 Tim. 2:5 (KJV) as the apostle Paul belief, as also the rest of the apostles.

    The unity of the Godhead is not inconsistent with there being 3 persons. Both truths are equally taught in scripture.

    You quote: "When the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman."

    If you interpret this to mean that Christ was created at the moment of conception, you contradict the scripture which teaches His preexistence with the Father and eternal Godhead:

    "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him, and nothing was made that was made without Him." (John 1:1-3)

    Joh_17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

    IOW, this demonstrates the shallowness of the "Oneness" Pentecostals in their reading of scripture. If they argue that Christ is a created being, they are refuted here. If they argue that Christ is merely a mode or a role played by the Father, they contradict Christ's eternal presence by the side of the Father.

    Which is how monotheist Jews like Paul saw the Father and the Son

    All Christisn are monotheist, including Paul.

    which is obviously not the church fathers view, coming along some three-four hundred years after the apostles,


    Ignatius, who lived in the time of John the Apostle, who lived from the first century and died either at the edge of its end, or very early in the 2nd century:

    "In Christ Jesus our Lord, by whom and with whom be glory and power to the Father with the Holy Spirit for ever," (n. 7; PG 5.988).

    "We have also as a Physician the Lord our God Jesus the Christ the only-begotten Son and Word, before time began, but who afterwards became also man, of Mary the virgin. For ‘the Word was made flesh.' Being incorporeal, He was in the body; being impassible, He was in a passable body; being immortal, He was in a mortal body; being life, He became subject to corruption, that He might free our souls from death and corruption, and heal them, and might restore them to health, when they were diseased with ungodliness and wicked lusts," (Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, eds., The ante-Nicene Fathers, Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1975 rpt., Vol. 1, p. 52, Ephesians 7).

    He calls Christ God and places Him in a Trinity of persons, the Father and Holy Spirit.

    From the second century:

    "The Church, though dispersed throughout the whole world, even to the ends of the earth, has received from the apostles and their disciples this faith . . . one God, the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are in them; and in one Christ Jesus, the Son of God, who became incarnate for our salvation; and in the Holy Spirit, who proclaimed through the prophets the dispensations of God, and the advents, and the birth from a virgin, and the passion, and the resurrection from the dead, and the ascension into heaven in the flesh of the beloved Christ Jesus, our Lord, and His manifestation from heaven in the glory of the Father ‘to gather all things in one,' and to raise up anew all flesh of the whole human race, in order that to Christ Jesus, our Lord, and God, and Savior, and King, according to the will of the invisible Father, ‘every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, and that every tongue should confess; to him, and that He should execute just judgment towards all . . . '" (Irenaeus, Against Heresies X.l)

    Note that he speaks of three persons, and easily applies the title of God to Christ.

    Tertullian, from the late 2nd to early 3rd century:

    "We define that there are two, the Father and the Son, and three with the Holy Spirit, and this number is made by the pattern of salvation . . . [which] brings about unity in trinity, interrelating the three, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are three, not in dignity, but in degree, not in substance but in form, not in power but in kind. They are of one substance and power, because there is one God from whom these degrees, forms and kinds devolve in the name of Father, Son and Holy Spirit," (Adv. Prax. 23, PL 2.156-7).

    And Origin, deeper into the 3rd century:

    "If anyone would say that the Word of God or the Wisdom of God had a beginning, let him beware lest he direct his impiety rather against the unbegotten Father, since he denies that he was always Father, and that he has always begotten the Word, and that he always had wisdom in all previous times or ages or whatever can be imagined in priority . . . There can be no more ancient title of almighty God than that of Father, and it is through the Son that he is Father," (De Princ. 1.2., PG 11.132).

    The Council of Nicea was around or a little more than a hundred years after this last quote.

    Note, the Trinitarian terminology of the creed makers is not there: “For there is one God in three coequal and coeternal persons.” Rather, the Father is the one God, the Son is the historical figure, born of a woman, stepping into history as a man, the man Christ Jesus.

    Is that how you interpret that sentence? It says that there are three persons, and these three persons are the same God. Therefore Christ is not a "mode" of the Father. He is eternal, never ceases, and is always by the side with the Father while possessing the same eternal substance.

  • From the Fire of Ukraine’s Civil War—A New Jewish Shtetl?

    08/31/2015 5:12:14 AM PDT · 5 of 6
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to tcrlaf; All

    Only the Putinistas are still spreading the lie that it’s a “civil war,” that and the drive by media and worthless Europeeons.

    I still remember how you once explained to me that the presence of Russian tanks could be explained by the Russian control of Crimea. IOW, Russian “rebels” would have had to smuggle it out of Crimea on a boat, across the water, past Ukrainian front lines, and then turning it back around to face the enemy! LOL

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 3:21:25 AM PDT · 74 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    The scriptures show that Peter, Philip, and Paul, all baptized in the name of Jesus, in following the Lord’s command found in Matt. 28:19.

    This would contradict your claim then, because in your view Jesus is a created individual. Yet to baptize in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is summed up in that verse in Acts by the name of Jesus. In other words, the Apostles had no problem with equalizing the Son with the Father and Holy Spirit.

    That said, those verses do not teach that Christians did not baptize in all three names. Christ name is merely given prominence, but without the exclusion of the other, because the Jews had worked so hard to reject Him. The Christian church in History always baptized in all three names. For example, from the Didache, which dates from the late 1st century to early 2nd:

    "Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before."(The Didache, Ch. 7)

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 3:08:08 AM PDT · 73 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God, not God the image. Jesus Christ and the apostles/writers of the NT NEVER used the phrase, “God the Son”.

    Christ is indeed the image of God, but in Him rests the fullness of the "Godhead bodily." He is not a mask. He is not a picture. He is not a reflection. He is the image of God, and is thus a part of God Himself. But not merely a part either, but fully God, and second person in the Trinity.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 3:04:55 AM PDT · 72 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zuriel
    “..I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28

    Christ is here speaking of Himself as the Messiah-sent. In this capacity, as perfect man and mediator, He is lesser than the Father. In His divine self, however, Christ is almighty:

    Rev_1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


    Eternally begotten, always proceeding from the Father. Christ is the Word of God and His Wisdom. The Father could never exist without the Son. There was never a time they were ever a part. Hence in "the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." This is the same God, but a separate person from the Father.

    So there are TWO that ARE created, and TWO that ARE measurable??

    It doesn't say that. That part only explains that the Holy Spirit and Christ are uncreated. Christ made all things. He was never Himself made.

    Now who is it that is the author of confusion?

    You simply don't understand Trinitarian theology. There is nothing wrong with the text.

    How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons of God’ don’t know??)?

    Of Christ's human nature, which was said to "grow in knowledge." But in His divine nature, He is omniscient.

    That’s over 100 references (from the book of John alone) showing that the Son’s source of ALL things divine, ALL power, ALL wisdom, etc., is from God the Father. There are plenty more alluding to the same.

    Which would mean that Christ is not God, but a created being. But Christ is clearly God "in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God", "Before Abraham was, I am," "Unto the Son [God] saith, thy throne, O God, is forever and ever," therefore you are in error.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/31/2015 2:54:58 AM PDT · 71 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to sasportas
    Oneness Pentecostals point out nowhere does the Bible call Father, Son, Holy Ghost three “persons.”

    And yet the scripture gives the Father, Son and Holy Spirit distinct duties and roles in man's salvation. Furthermore, the three speak to each other. It makes no sense to create a division of "The Father, Son and Holy Spirit" if it wasn't real.

  • It looks like China is through propping up its stock market

    08/31/2015 2:19:01 AM PDT · 7 of 26
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to TigerLikesRooster

    From what I understand, China has already ordered brokerages to continue propping up the economy. They did make this statement earlier, but didn’t last long.

  • Matalin: Trump’s wrong, Jeb is ‘an Energizer bunny’

    08/30/2015 9:56:07 PM PDT · 15 of 52
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Red Steel

    Check out incestuous our political system is. So she is both a long time “family adviser” of the Bushes AND wife to James Carville.

    WTH is up with that?

  • The Weekend Is Over, And We're Tumbling Again

    08/30/2015 9:52:25 PM PDT · 6 of 23
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to blam

    The Chinese economy must be like Chinese food. After you stuff it filled with debt, it just gets hungry again later.

  • Rand Champions the Constitution at Utah Campaign Event

    08/30/2015 9:01:52 PM PDT · 24 of 25
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Plummz
    Legalization of what?

    Of illegals fool:

    "What I want to do first is secure the border. If we secure the border and we can say who is coming, who is going, and only people come, come legally, the 11 million that are here, I think there could be a work status for them. And I think what I have tried to say is, what we want is more legal immigration, so we have less illegal immigration. But I am open to immigration reform. "

  • Rand Champions the Constitution at Utah Campaign Event

    08/30/2015 8:47:11 PM PDT · 22 of 25
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Plummz

    Too bad Rand is in favor of legalization, then he might have something going for him.

  • Police: Kansas Woman Found Getting High on Canned Air at Wal-Mart

    08/30/2015 8:20:25 PM PDT · 2 of 41
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to BenLurkin

    and I take a deep breath and get real highhh

    hey hey hey hey hey, hey hey hey, I said hey! What’s going on?!

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/30/2015 6:06:22 PM PDT · 54 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zionist Conspirator
    And you "know" this because this is what the "new testament" claims.

    I know this for several factors. 1) Old Testament prophecies that require Christ to come during the time that He did:

    Gen_49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.

    2) The general stupidity, blasphemies and superstitions of your holiest Rabbis:

    "On coming from a privy a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mil, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic" (Babylonian Talmud, Gittin 70a)

    On that day R. Eliezer brought forward every imaginable argument,3 but they did not accept them. Said he to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let this carob-tree prove it!' Thereupon the carob-tree was torn a hundred cubits out of its place — others affirm, four hundred cubits. 'No proof can be brought from a carob-tree,' they retorted. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let the stream of water prove it!' Whereupon the stream of water flowed backwards — 'No proof can be brought from a stream of water,' they rejoined. Again he urged: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let the walls of the schoolhouse prove it,' whereupon the walls inclined to fall. But R. Joshua rebuked them, saying: 'When scholars are engaged in a halachic dispute, what have ye to interfere?' Hence they did not fall, in honour of R. Joshua, nor did they resume the upright, in honour of R. Eliezer; and they are still standing thus inclined. Again he said to them: 'If the halachah agrees with me, let it be proved from Heaven!' Whereupon a Heavenly Voice cried out: 'Why do ye dispute with R. Eliezer, seeing that in all matters the halachah agrees with him!' But R. Joshua arose and exclaimed: 'It is not in heaven.'4 What did he mean by this? — Said R. Jeremiah: That the Torah had already been given at Mount Sinai; we pay no attention to a Heavenly Voice, because Thou hast long since written in the Torah at Mount Sinai, After the majority must one incline." (Babylonian Talmud, Baba Mezi'a 59b)

    (There are much worse things than this in the Talmud, such as Rabbis lying to Gentiles, lying to other Jews, and many other heinous teachings and acts.)

    And lastly, besides the prophecies mentioned before, all these wonderful little Easter Eggs!

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/30/2015 5:40:51 PM PDT · 52 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Lil Flower

    Not all Pentecostals are the same. The poster refers to Oneness Pentecostals, who sometimes are Modalists, but other times are so confused they don’t even know what they actually believe, as I’ve experienced in my interactions with these loathsome group.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/30/2015 5:39:48 PM PDT · 51 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Zionist Conspirator
    Chrstianity itself can be wrong. And it is.

    Judaism itself is quite wrong, at least as it exists today, and actually proves the New.

  • This Illegal Immigrant Violently Carjacked A Woman Minutes After Getting Out Of Jail

    08/30/2015 5:24:24 PM PDT · 19 of 65
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to KarlInOhio

    That’s freakin funny! LOL

  • Rand Champions the Constitution at Utah Campaign Event

    08/30/2015 5:12:09 PM PDT · 20 of 25
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to z taxman

    By the way, Trump said wall should be between 50 and 60 feet. No 20 foot ladders will suffice here.

  • (Flashback): Sweet deal for Donald Trumps gold course (backs of taxpayers)

    08/30/2015 2:36:02 PM PDT · 180 of 257
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to hosepipe
    SOo you are a target for agitprop against Cruz... Know absolutely nothing about HIM ONLY what your TOLD...

    Everything I said was correct and I can back it up.

  • Rand Champions the Constitution at Utah Campaign Event

    08/30/2015 2:34:56 PM PDT · 19 of 25
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to z taxman
    No Puny, I support beefing up border patrol and ending sanctuary cities. That was what you were referring to in the preceding post to me. You’re gay little ploy to make it seem like I was referring to border walls is just that... a gay little ploy.

    You quoted me on the border wall and said you supported "all of that," so you're either incompetent or losing your mind. And without the wall, your border security is pretty useless.

    As for the gay baiting, remember, it's you defending the effeminate politician who supports amnesty and pandering to race baiters. You are not conservative.

  • Could the Doctrine of the Trinity Be Wrong?

    08/30/2015 2:29:50 PM PDT · 37 of 113
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to CHRISTIAN DIARIST
    It does not require acceptance of the Nicaean Creed.

    If you deny very simple scriptures like "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God," you are no Christian and are certainly damned.

    I'll also add that it is very likely you believe in some form of works-righteousness, as that usually goes hand in hand with a denial of the Trinity.

  • (Flashback): Sweet deal for Donald Trumps gold course (backs of taxpayers)

    08/30/2015 1:00:06 PM PDT · 113 of 257
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to hosepipe

    I’m okay with throwing Cruz out since:

    1) He promoted fast track and is probably more in favor of TPA and the rest of those super deals than he has admitted.

    2) He’s not told the truth about how leftist his wife really is and her involvement in Goldman Sachs, and supporting open borders and other schemes that sound a lot like TPA. He claimed her work was to provide “conservative” alternatives to globalist plans, but looking at her own writings, that’s not true at all.

    3) He supports legalization of illegal aliens with the false promise that they will not receive citizenship. Except that you can’t give legalization to 40 million illegals and think you can permanently bar them from naturalization in this country.

    4) He was for birthright citizenship before he suddenly became against it, and he admitted on Megyn Kelly that he really didn’t think that you could challenge birthright citizenship except by constitutional amendment anyway.

  • (Flashback): Sweet deal for Donald Trumps gold course (backs of taxpayers)

    08/30/2015 12:48:14 PM PDT · 97 of 257
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Laissez-faire capitalist
    Eminent Domain for Trump and a little old lady gets the boot and that is GOOD!

    That little old lady never got the boot, and she worked for years trying to blackmail developers into paying her millions for her piece of trash little bit of property. She later sold it for 500,000, half the price of what Trump originally offered her. A good punishment really.

  • (Flashback): Sweet deal for Donald Trumps gold course (backs of taxpayers)

    08/30/2015 11:49:38 AM PDT · 4 of 257
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to GeronL

    Looks like Trump walked into that office and said, “I want Deal!” and got it!

  • 'On Point' with Gov. Sarah Palin & Donald Trump

    08/30/2015 11:46:46 AM PDT · 32 of 32
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoodleDawg

    Apparently a lot of that money didn’t actually go to doing it!

  • With two killed in D.C. Friday night, homicide tally matches all of 2014’s

    08/30/2015 4:32:04 AM PDT · 18 of 46
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to pepsionice
    You only get to know....what they want you to know, or they accidentally admit to.

    So in this environment where cops are hated and decried as "racists" by the left, you think that all the evidence that supports massive police brutality/bad cop scenarios is being covered up?

  • Local Realtor attends Trumped-up party (Ernie Boch's Trump gathering in Norwood, MA)

    08/30/2015 4:20:51 AM PDT · 4 of 52
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to RoosterRedux
    General Patton:

    "Americans traditionally love to fight. All real Americans, love the sting of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big league ball players, the toughest boxers … Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time."

    Patton was right. That's why Trump is attracting Americans of all stripes. Not even years of public education can kill the American spirit. We love winners. We love fighters. And that's the aura Trump gives off.

  • 'On Point' with Gov. Sarah Palin & Donald Trump

    08/30/2015 4:17:14 AM PDT · 11 of 32
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Vinnie

    She’s very folksie but lots of people like that, especially the millions of folksie people we got! Probably not a universal taste though.

  • Rand Champions the Constitution at Utah Campaign Event

    08/30/2015 4:15:51 AM PDT · 17 of 25
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to z taxman
    I support all of that. That ought to be implicit from any poster on a conservative site. Der

    You support the border wall now? Here's what you wrote in another thread:

    "A wall and mass deportation is not cost efficient or effective."

    In this thread you've essentially said the same thing.