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Posts by Greetings_Puny_Humans

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  • Does the Catholic Church Teach That Adam and Eve Are Myths?

    04/24/2015 4:51:59 AM PDT · 126 of 160
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to St_Thomas_Aquinas
    Which Protestant interprets the Bible infallibly?

    A better question: Which Catholics interpret the Bible infallibly? Your clownish crew, if not turning the Bible into a collection of "fables" in the footnotes of your approved bible translations, are sodomizing each other or plotting with your Pope on how to fool the gullible faithful who are still praying to Mary for their salvation instead of getting with the times and becoming Marxists.

  • Prayers For, To,and Through the Dead

    04/24/2015 3:54:22 AM PDT · 393 of 473
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to ebb tide; metmom
    The muslim suicide bombers are sure they're going to Heaven and they're sure they're doing the right thing.

    We have Papists who are positive that salvation is through the Roman Catholic Church even though their "infallible" magisterium is filled with sodomites and leftists who have been changing even their own theology right beneath the true-believers' dumb noses.

    You should get a load what crap your church teaches even in their approved biblical commentaries, and you guys want us to kneel and scrape and beg for salvation from you guys when most of you aren't capable of much more than very basic and puerile apology in defense of your works-righteous doctrines?

    Come now, I'll stick with the holy scripture, and sit at rest with Luther, with Calvin, with John Knox, with the tens of thousands of Christians who have been martyed for their faith, and with Augustine, and Chrysostom, and so many others, on the essentials of the Gospel. You guys don't even have the essentials anymore.

  • Huckabee to Announce Decision to Run for President in Hope, Arkansas

    04/22/2015 11:16:14 PM PDT · 7 of 61
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Berlin_Freeper

    Uuuugh, that’s just what we need. A gazillion candidates all going for the same group of voters while the minority are all united for the RINO.

  • Lavrov: Islamic State is Russia's Main Enemy Now

    04/22/2015 10:52:55 PM PDT · 14 of 14
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to leopardseal

    An absurd comment, seeing as how Russia is knee deep in bloodshed by its Islamic-terrorist proxies.

    It is more likely, as another poster written, that a recent payment did not come through; either that, or it is just talk.

  • ‘X-Men’ Character Comes Out as Gay in New Comic

    04/21/2015 9:44:22 PM PDT · 70 of 72
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to SMGFan

    Either I’ve outgrown Marvel, or else Marvel these days, in general, seems pretty infantile and stale, like what a bunch of people who don’t know how people really are would create if they got into making comic books.

    I did like the temporary Dr. Octopus as Spiderman thing though. He was a much more interesting character to the parody Spiderman has become of himself.

  • "Fed Up" Colorado Man, 38, Busted For Killing His Computer In Cold Blood

    04/21/2015 3:42:08 PM PDT · 10 of 111
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to MeshugeMikey

    A long time ago I punched an old Compaq computer that would have to sit and think for a long time for every little thing it would do. Actually I used to punch it all the time, but on the final time something finally came loose from inside the SOB and it died.

    After that I stopped punching computers because I realized it really doesn’t help them work right.

  • The Biblical Teaching of Justification

    04/20/2015 12:14:18 AM PDT · 5 of 7
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to terycarl
    Catholics wrote and interpreted scripture for 1,600 years before there was a protestant...

    On this forum, at least, I've never seen much evidence that they are capable of "interpretation." Mostly they just beat their chests about being Roman Catholic. The amount of substantive theological teaching/debate by them on this forum is little to nothing.

  • The Biblical Teaching of Justification

    04/19/2015 5:16:01 PM PDT · 1 of 7
    Rest at link
  • National Mall Trashed After Global Citizen 2015 Earth Day Concert

    04/19/2015 3:22:14 PM PDT · 34 of 64
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Kaslin
  • 300 US Troops In Ukraine To Train Ukrainian Forces: US Army

    04/19/2015 3:29:48 AM PDT · 137 of 142
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to mac_truck
    Its a further abuse of our professional military to continue this practice in eastern Europe.

    Considering how shifting and propagandist most of your opinions are when it comes to Russia, and how hypocritical this comes off, I suspect the truth is you hate the guts of our country and our veterans and are making comments like this as just another lie you thought up on the fly.

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/17/2015 4:01:29 PM PDT · 28 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne
    The United States put arms in the hands of Al Qaeda. Directly!

    So why is it so difficult for you to provide proof of this?

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/17/2015 2:29:52 PM PDT · 26 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne
    If you were were tuned out when John McCain, Lindsey Graham, Barack Obama and others addressed these situations, that’s fine with me.

    No one has addressed the "situation of supporting Al-Qaeda". If arms fell into the hands of terrorists, that is not the same thing as directly supporting Al-Qaeda, regardless of the incompetence involved. I also resist the notion that John McCain is on par with Barack Obama, regardless of the latter's true sympathies for our enemies like Iran and Russia.

    Russia is directly supporting terrorism with the aim of harming the United States and Israel. This is a significant problem.

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/17/2015 12:24:51 PM PDT · 24 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne
    No I’m not going to waste my time doing leg work for you.

    Or, more than likely, you can't prove your claims.

  • 300 US Troops In Ukraine To Train Ukrainian Forces: US Army

    04/17/2015 3:32:22 AM PDT · 4 of 142
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Vaquero
    Let the Russians worry about the Russians. All former soviet Russians to me.

    The Russkies killed around 7 million Ukrainians in the Holodomor-- rivaling the holocaust, and we turned a blind eye to it then too.

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/17/2015 1:08:49 AM PDT · 16 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne
    The U. S. funded and armed terrorist groups in Libya. It did it in Syria.

    Since it's on the record, can you please provide links or documentation (preferably not from a fringe conspiracy website) that names who and what we funded in detail?

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/16/2015 9:03:18 PM PDT · 14 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne
    So how do we trash Putin for exploiting terrorists for his own benefit, when we do the same thing?

    Do we do the same thing? I think you overplay your claims. Do you have evidence of the U.S. conspiring with and controlling terrorist groups in the middle east?

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/16/2015 7:28:06 PM PDT · 10 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne
    Iran is Islamic. The Chechnyans are Islamic.

    Chechnya is also under control through Putin's puppet dictator Kadyrov. Russia has a long history of using Islamic terrorism for its ends.

  • Putin: S-300 delivery to Iran will not threaten Israel

    04/16/2015 6:35:31 PM PDT · 7 of 29
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to DoughtyOne

    Putin isn’t short-sighted. It’s a matter of strategy. Iran is an ally of Russia, and Russia has been helping them for years with their nuclear program. Russia is not afraid of Iran because they know who Iran will be fighting a war with— Israel and the United States.

  • Is $30,000 a year worth it?

    04/14/2015 2:35:32 AM PDT · 3 of 64
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to teacherwoes

    Yup, that is a good method.

  • What Is Grace?

    04/13/2015 5:44:12 PM PDT · 11 of 17
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to WriteOn
    Haha. The essence of heresy is grace. No kidding, the fastest way to get in trouble in the Catholic Church is to write about grace. Nothing is more nuanced than the discussion of grace, it’s degrees, it’s types and manifestations, etc. It is not a subject for neophytes.

    Most religious cults usually agree, because it is necessary for them to create many different definitions of grace in order to circumvent verses like these:

    Rom_4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.

  • “I’m a libertarian, and I’m supporting Ted Cruz”

    04/12/2015 3:29:30 AM PDT · 9 of 21
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to 2ndDivisionVet

    Did anyone here get the vibe reading this that Paulistinians— whether former or current— approach politics like a religious cult? Start replacing names in here to Mormonism, the Prophet Joseph Smith or Scientology and tell me it wouldn’t still make sense.

  • Don't Make a Savior of Your Morality

    04/12/2015 1:37:05 AM PDT · 18 of 27
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Campion
    There's not a lot there that's incompatible with Catholic belief. The idea that the Catholic church thinks you can earn your way into heaven is a canard.

    Let's run an experiment:

    What's the difference between you and the unbeliever who has received the same aid of God as you have, yet you converted and, presumably, will persevere, and they either remain unconverted or convert and fall away?

  • Russia just made a ton of Internet memes illegal

    04/11/2015 3:35:16 PM PDT · 18 of 24
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Tea Party Terrorist
    Yeah, makes you wonder why the west keeps provoking them. Expansion of NATO to their doorsteps? Ukraine in the EU/Nato? Crazy.

    That's BS, as, actually, NATO has done everything to appease Russia. No one was offering Ukraine NATO status (and they still aren't). And Ukraine was only asking for a trade relationship with EU, the same as countries like Israel has. They have a right to determine what they will or will not do as a nation.

  • Russia just made a ton of Internet memes illegal

    04/11/2015 2:38:35 PM PDT · 4 of 24
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to MinorityRepublican

    Russia is a backward 3rd world dictatorship posing as a first world superpower. And these freaks are armed with nukes.

  • EMP Nuclear Attack Fears Have US Reopen Cheyenne Mountain

    04/11/2015 1:37:21 PM PDT · 12 of 44
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Dave346
  • Cruz vs. Rand Paul in Presidential Vids: Do you want "Blessing" or "different kind of Republican?"

    04/06/2015 5:35:16 PM PDT · 13 of 47
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to 2ndDivisionVet

    Rand Paul is an unelectable clown. He even comes off like a whiney panzy. He will never be President.

  • This Protestant Researched Marian Miracles, & What He Learned Blew His Mind

    04/05/2015 8:40:23 PM PDT · 155 of 253
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Aliska

    I don’t agree with your Catholicism, but I thank you for your willingness to stand up to questionable “apparitions” and the like.

  • Six Early Christian Controversies That Protestantism Can't Explain

    04/05/2015 5:53:29 PM PDT · 15 of 196
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Leaning Right
    A general statement: The radical muslims must just love it when Christians pick at each other. The Catholics are all wrong because... The Protestants are all wrong because... The Mormons are all wrong because...

    Mormons are all wrong because they're members of an evil religious cult that teaches stupid stuff like you're going to become a god of your own planet and that 2 thousand years of Monotheism is all wrong, and if you don't agree they'll make sure your Mormon family shuns you.

  • Six Early Christian Controversies That Protestantism Can't Explain

    04/05/2015 5:07:13 PM PDT · 4 of 196
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Arthur McGowan
  • This Protestant Researched Marian Miracles, & What He Learned Blew His Mind

    04/05/2015 5:00:45 PM PDT · 51 of 253
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to NYer
    Missionaries had been in Mexico for decades with only a few hundred converts but Mary's image on the tilma sufficed to convert 8 million Aztecs. This is not coincidence but resulted from what the Aztecs interpreted about that image. It was quite clear and pointed to Christ!

    It pointed them to the Papist version of Christ who, more often than not, could just as easily cast you into hell at the instigation of devils if Mary doesn't constantly protect you from Him:

    "One day the King fell seriously ill and when he was given up for dead he found himself, in a vision, before the judgement seat of Our Lord. Many devils were there accusing him of all the sins he had committed and Our Lord as Sovereign Judge was just about to condemn him to hell when Our Lady appeared to intercede for him. She called for a pair of scales and had his sins placed in one of the balances whereas she put the rosary that he had always worn on the other scale, together with all the Rosaries that had been said because of his example. It was found that the Rosaries weighed more than his sins. Looking at him with great kindness Our Lady said: "As a reward for this little honor that you paid me in wearing my Rosary, I have obtained a great grace for you from my Son. Your life will be spared for a few more years. See that you spend these years wisely, and do penance." When the King regained consciousness he cried out: "Blessed be the Rosary of the Most Holy Virgin Mary, by which I have been delivered from eternal damnation!"


    Today, Mexico is a country that is not too far removed from pile of you know what status. It's Catholicity has only led to its perpetual stagnation, the dominance of superstition, authoritarian/statist ideologies leading into leftist ideologies, and finally the inevitable breakdown of law and order.

    But hey, they're good Catholics eh, much blessed by God?

  • This Protestant Researched Marian Miracles, & What He Learned Blew His Mind

    04/05/2015 3:44:51 PM PDT · 23 of 253
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to NYer
    As a Protestant, especially a Pentecostal...

    A Pentecostal huh? From one error they go deeper into others. Oneness Pentecostals (not to be confused with regular ones, though the regular ones are deceived too!) also base their "confirmation" of their religion on miracles, even boasting of "medical reports" showing the disappearance of cancers and the like. Yet they deny the Trinity and are outright Pelagians.

    When it comes to believing a miracle over the Word of God, the Word of God must win:

    Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, Deu 13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; Deu 13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

  • Putin threat of nuclear showdown over Baltics

    04/04/2015 4:59:09 PM PDT · 96 of 98
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to mbj

    The Russkies, in fact, did not achieve their objectives in Ukraine. Crimea was taken, yes, but the full territory of “NovoRussiya”, that Russian fantasy, still remains in Ukrainian hands. The Russkies, even after pumping Russian soldiers and advanced weaponry into Ukraine, are still only holding a small sliver of the East. That is why the Russkies are screwing around with cease fires and international agreements, because they’re hoping to use these negotiations to gobble up more territory. For example, agree to a ceasefire, have the Ukrainians pull back, then take more territory by accusing the Ukrainians of breaking the cease fire and pretending that the Ukrainians attack by marching in reverse, then negotiate a new cease fire.

  • Lavrov Confirms Russia's Intention to Raise Question of Protection for Christians Worldwide

    04/04/2015 3:06:41 AM PDT · 18 of 18
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to marshmallow

    Are you Russian Orthodox Marshmallow? I notice you’re usually the one to post threads like this, but you rarely comment.

    I ask because Catholics and Protestants are actively being targeted in Ukraine; churches taken over; Christian businesses reappropriated.

    Does that bother you at all?

  • Lavrov Confirms Russia's Intention to Raise Question of Protection for Christians Worldwide

    04/04/2015 3:02:11 AM PDT · 17 of 18
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to dowcaet; All
    The Russians are standing up for Christians while the left is bashing them here. Wow, who would of thought this a half century ago? On top of that the Russians are proclaiming this in the UN of all places.

    The Russkies are only playing games to pander to the right-wing in Europe and the U.S. Part of their program is to pander both to the left and right so as to avoid being crushed by a unified western reaction. In practice your average Russkie is a barely functional drunk, and in Ukraine they are actively murdering Catholic priests and protestant pastors. You can google it and find plenty of news stories on this being covered by Christian organizations.

  • Vote Ted Cruz, Because Jesus

    04/03/2015 9:23:10 PM PDT · 25 of 26
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to 2ndDivisionVet

    I saw the ad earlier on Fox. It’s clearly timed for Easter and is thus entirely appropriate for its context. These fools can’t really think he’s going to just run on religion for the rest of the year. They’re just trying to be nasty.

  • Putin threat of nuclear showdown over Baltics

    04/01/2015 5:52:24 PM PDT · 43 of 98
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to free_life

    To the OP: No kidding. Only a Putinist didn’t see this next step coming.

  • CERN researchers confirm existence of the Force

    04/01/2015 2:01:10 AM PDT · 7 of 13
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to JRandomFreeper

    “I am your Father’s brother’s nephew’s cousin’s former roommate.”

    “What does that make us?”

    “Absolutely nothing!”

  • US Sending Soldiers to Train Ukraine National Guard

    03/30/2015 6:59:11 PM PDT · 23 of 28
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to duckln
    ince when has the Ukrainian Nazi junta become our friends, what have they done for us?

    Today must be pseudo day for your medication.

  • Rand Paul’s Big, Risky Bet on Youth

    03/29/2015 10:49:37 PM PDT · 6 of 12
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to 2ndDivisionVet

    He’s hoping to win the pot head vote.

  • Man With Machete Goes on Rampage in San Jose Neighborhood

    03/29/2015 9:51:39 PM PDT · 52 of 63
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to TADSLOS

    LOL, I was going to post that, but checked the thread first to see if anyone had beat me to it.

  • Amanda Knox Case: Italian Court Overturns Murder Conviction

    03/28/2015 3:01:45 AM PDT · 93 of 162
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to the scotsman
    Americans should be wary of slagging off any other legal system: OJ, Casey Anthony........just this week we have seen people released from prison after decades in the US for crimes they never committed.

    Better OJ free than sitting here at the mercy of a government, run by crazed and political minded lawyers and judges, who can ruin your life and convict you just by trial and error. With my lawyer and a jury of my peers, I got a better chance at freedom than I do in Italy. Ask George Zimmerman. In Italy, he'd have been tried over and over again until they got him.

  • Amanda Knox Case: Italian Court Overturns Murder Conviction

    03/27/2015 3:10:41 PM PDT · 13 of 162
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to CaptainK

    What a backward and worthless country where the justice system can just keep retrying you until it gets the verdict it wants.

  • Tornadoes IN Tulsa. Softball sized hail!!!!

    03/25/2015 11:47:11 PM PDT · 112 of 116
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to acad1228
    Tornadoes IN Tulsa. Softball sized hail!!!!

    That's nothing. Sometimes I like to throw myself into tornadoes just for fun. I headbutt the hail and use the broken up bits to ice my martinis. Stirred, not shaken, because of the spinning tornado you see.

  • Praying of the Rosary Is NOT Bible-Based Teaching

    03/25/2015 11:42:15 PM PDT · 711 of 928
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to StormPrepper
    The difference is that the Book of Mormon was compiled by a prophet with specific instruction from God as to what it should contain.

    First, there is no reason to believe your Prophet when he lies to his own congregation regarding the number of his wives. At the time of this following quote, Smith had at least a dozen wives, acknowledged by your own religion:

    "...What a thing it is for a man to be accused of committing adultery, and having seven wives, when I can only find one. I am the same man, and as innocent as I was fourteen years ago; and I can prove them all perjurers." (History of the Church, vol 6, p. 411)

    Next, but more importantly, as this alone proves your prophet to be a liar: your prophet openly contradicts the holy scripture by creating many gods when there is only one:

    "Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any" (Isa 44:8).

    Your prophet also denies salvation sola fide, sola gracia, asserting that salvation is given as a result of our merits, when this also is explicitly ruled out by the scripture:

    Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

    Can you explain why we should believe your Prophet when he is a liar, a polytheist, and a teacher of works-righteousness?

  • Apologetics 101: Is "Once Saved, Always Saved" in the Bible?

    03/25/2015 3:16:01 AM PDT · 103 of 194
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to NYer; dware; CynicalBear; fwdude; amigatec; C. Edmund Wright; driftdiver; CA Conservative; ...
    Paul is talking about how salvation has come to the Gentiles, while many of the Jews have rejected it. And he makes it very clear that once you have been grafted into Christ, you must “continue in His kindness,” or you can also be cut off. So, even after you’ve been saved, you can still be cut off from Jesus Christ.

    This is a selective view of scriptures which ignores many others. I can very easily provide verses that would seem to say that a man can believe without grace or the work of the Holy Spirit, yet we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that "no one confesses Christ as Lord but by the Holy Ghost".

    The first part of the chapter in Romans 11 talks about unbelieving Israel which is "cut off," while yet an Elect number are preserved, and not on the basis of any merit of their own, but by the preservation of God:

    Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal. Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

    Augustine demonstrates that this is not upon the basis of any merit on their own, or by the action of their will or by their future works, but by God's mercy only, in his analysis of Romans 9:

    “And, moreover, who will be so foolish and blasphemous as to say that God cannot change the evil wills of men, whichever, whenever, and wheresoever He chooses, and direct them to what is good? But when He does this He does it of mercy; when He does it not, it is of justice that He does it not for “He has mercy on whom He will have mercy, and whom He will He hardens.” And when the apostle said this, he was illustrating the grace of God, in connection with which he had just spoken of the twins in the womb of Rebecca, who “being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him that calls, it was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.” And in reference to this matter he quotes another prophetic testimony: “Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.” But perceiving how what he had said might affect those who could not penetrate by their understanding the depth of this grace: “What shall we say then?” he says: “Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.” For it seems unjust that, in the absence of any merit or demerit, from good or evil works, God should love the one and hate the other. Now, if the apostle had wished us to understand that there were future good works of the one, and evil works of the other, which of course God foreknew, he would never have said, not of works, but, of future works, and in that way would have solved the difficulty, or rather there would then have been no difficulty to solve. As it is, however, after answering, God forbid; that is, God forbid that there should be unrighteousness with God; he goes on to prove that there is no unrighteousness in God’s doing this, and says: “For He says to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” “ (Augustine, The Enchiridion on Faith, Hope and Love, Chapter 98. Predestination to Eternal Life is Wholly of God’s Free Grace.)

    Romans 11, therefore, when speaking of the vine and these being cut off, and yet others preserved according to free grace, can only be referring therefore to corporate Israel in a Church-state. All those whom are lost are not those whom God has preserved, but can only be those whom God has not chosen to elect. To be cut off most likely refers to excommunication, or even to a time where the Gentile world should be removed from having a visible and united church.

    That those who are "cut off" cannot be the Elect is quite clear from verses like: 1Jn_2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

    Beyond a shadow of a doubt, if they had been of Christ, they would have remained with us. Therefore all those who leave us, as Augustine concludes, were not truly of the body of Christ, but were necessarily removed:

    “But of such as these [the Elect] none perishes, because of all that the Father has given Him, He will lose none. John 6:39 Whoever, therefore, is of these does not perish at all; nor was any who perishes ever of these. For which reason it is said, They went out from among us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would certainly have continued with us. 1 John 2:19”. (Augustine, Treatise on the Predestination of the Saints)

    This is a proof testified all over the holy scriptures. In John 6 we read "All that the Father gives to me shall come to me, and whoever comes to me I shall never cast out." The Father gives to the Son from eternity, and all those, in time, inevitably come before the Son in faith. Hence the unbelieving Jews, some of whom (if not all) were his former disciples, are told that the cause of their unbelief is not their stupidity or their refusal, but rather: "there are some of you who do not believe. That is why I told you, no man can come to me unless it is given to Him by the Father." again He says, "all that the Father has given to me I shall raise up again at the last day" within the same chapter. In still other places throughout the Gospel of John, He promises that none of His sheep can escape His hand, and the cause of the Pharisees unbelief is that "you are not of my sheep". Regarding Hebrews 6-- I like John Calvin's explanation for these verses:

    "But here arises a new question, how can it be that he who has once made such a progress should afterwards fall away? For God, it may be said, calls none effectually but the elect, and Paul testifies that they are really his sons who are led by his Spirit, (Romans 8:14;) and he teaches us, that it is a sure pledge of adoption when Christ makes us partakers of his Spirit. The elect are also beyond the danger of finally falling away; for the Father who gave them to be preserved by Christ his Son is greater than all, and Christ promises to watch over them all so that none may perish. To all this I answer, That God indeed favors none but the elect alone with the Spirit of regeneration, and that by this they are distinguished from the reprobate; for they are renewed after his image and receive the earnest of the Spirit in hope of the future inheritance, and by the same Spirit the Gospel is sealed in their hearts. But I cannot admit that all this is any reason why he should not grant the reprobate also some taste of his grace, why he should not irradiate their minds with some sparks of his light, why he should not give them some perception of his goodness, and in some sort engrave his word on their hearts. Otherwise, where would be the temporal faith mentioned by Mark 4:17? There is therefore some knowledge even in the reprobate, which afterwards vanishes away, either because it did not strike roots sufficiently deep, or because it withers, being choked up. 98 And by this bridle the Lord keeps us in fear and humility; and we certainly see how prone human nature is otherwise to security and foolish confidence. At the same time our solicitude ought to be such as not to disturb the peace of conscience. For the Lord strengthens faith in us, while he subdues our flesh: and hence he would have faith to remain and rest tranquilly as in a safe haven; but he exercises the flesh with various conflicts, that it may not grow wanton through idleness."

    There is much support for this, as Judas also is given the gifts of the Holy Spirit, and is commanded with the rest of the Apostles to perform miracles (Matt 10:1-4). Yet Judas is not counted as one of those whom God would preserve, but was a thief, a liar and a devil, and called the "son of perdition." And Judas would not be the last of them, for there are many others who will protest to God that they have performed miracles on behalf of God, or prophecized in His name, only to be told "I never knew you," they never having a true fellowship with the Father, never having been regenerated, but, like the seed in the bad soil, they shrivel up and die.

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    By the way, the doctrice of "OSAS," or I prefer "Final Preservation," should never be taught to mean that no one can ever fall away for a time and then return to Christ. I myself, through a very dark period in my life, was almost no better than an atheist; if this scripture were to be believed literally, it would have been impossible for me to return to the good graces of God, even stronger than what I was before! (In fact, getting my butt kicked by the world, according to the providence of God, was the best thing that could have happened to me! Thus proving the verse that says "For all things work together unto good for them who love God, who are the called according to His purpose.") Nor should this verse ever be taught to claim that a person can sin all that he or she wants and never pay a penalty, because the mark of true faith in the believer is that he produces good fruit, and thus it is impossible that anyone who claims to be a believer should become a rampant sinner.


    03/25/2015 12:39:15 AM PDT · 10 of 37
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to gwgn02

    So when Walker’s candidacy bursts into flames in the next few weeks, we’ll know who to blame.

  • Christian Answers to Two Roman Catholic Questions on “Catholic Answers”

    03/24/2015 9:32:50 PM PDT · 77 of 99
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
    I am an RC, but I always put the Word of God above the Vatican. If there is ever a conflict between Bible and Rome, I always come down with Scripture.

    You're not alone:

    Cyril of Jerusalem on Sola Scriptura:

    “Have thou ever in your mind this seal, which for the present has been lightly touched in my discourse, by way of summary, but shall be stated, should the Lord permit, to the best of my power with the proof from the Scriptures. For concerning the divine and holy mysteries of the Faith, not even a casual statement must be delivered without the Holy Scriptures; nor must we be drawn aside by mere plausibility and artifices of speech. Even to me, who tell you these things, give not absolute credence, unless thou receive the proof of the things which I announce from the Divine Scriptures. For this salvation which we believe depends not on ingenious reasoning , but on demonstration of the Holy Scriptures.” (Cyril of Jerusalem, Cat. Lecture 4, Ch. 17)

    However, Rome does not support your stance. The scripture is only authoritative when it is Rome doing the interpreting and teaching.

  • Romney's former campaign manager on leading fight for 2016

    03/22/2015 10:57:30 PM PDT · 16 of 16
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to ansel12

    Yup, that’s what I’m remembering. Rush can drop dead too after that fiasco.

  • Romney's former campaign manager on leading fight for 2016

    03/22/2015 1:43:14 PM PDT · 5 of 16
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to CedarDave

    This was the scumbag, with his ties to Matt Drudge, who obviously convinced that latter loser to manipulate his news coverage to benefit Mittens. I stopped checking Drudge for my news after the massive dump of BS anti-Newt articles were posted.

  • Pope set to dine with gay and transgender inmates at a prison in Italy

    03/20/2015 12:21:47 PM PDT · 11 of 26
    Greetings_Puny_Humans to Gamecock

    In Pope Francis’ defense, he probably confused them for Catholic Priests.